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Use !messages to read them. 02:46:44 !messages 02:46:44 (1/2) evilmike said (5d 49m 53s ago): I see you imported evilmike_wizard_prison into crawl light. I should warn you, this vault relies on a a gimmick with silent spectres (that I don't think works in light) 02:46:49 !messages 02:46:50 (1/1) evilmike said (5d 45m 27s ago): The idea is the wizards are silenced until the spectre is removed, and then they all wake up and blink out / summon crap. I dunno if this is doable in Light, but the spectre should probably be removed at least 02:47:00 evilmike: Aha, thanks. 02:47:18 Yeah, it probably won't work. 02:47:30 -!- jvj24601 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:48:03 !tell evilmike Aha, thanks; might not have caught that one in a hurry. 02:48:03 dtsund: OK, I'll let evilmike know. 02:48:06 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:48:17 interesting looking spell, there 02:48:22 do people use it? how well does it work? 02:48:29 I *just* wrote it 02:48:36 ah, cool 02:48:37 So I have no idea how well it works 02:49:10 -!- Cfoofoo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:49:32 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:51:39 I can envision interesting uses for the spell (illude before escape, illude as a sort of combat buff), but I have no idea whether they actually work, or might be overpowered. 02:54:41 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:39 -!- ark has joined ##crawl-dev 02:56:10 -!- ark is now known as Guest89667 02:59:08 overpowered compared to other level 9 spells? :P 02:59:21 -!- mikee_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:34 -!- adamorjames has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:00:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:06:06 -!- ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:11:11 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:15:57 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:38 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:44 I'd say, ridiculously underpowered 03:25:56 we're talking about what old sputterflies did 03:26:40 besides the level, it's a good idea IMO, though 03:27:36 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:41:52 -!- Flyne has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:45:06 -!- Jatoskep has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:47:55 -!- DracoOmega has quit [] 03:50:22 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:52:54 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:44 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04:16 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 04:07:54 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:11:28 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 04:13:18 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:14:04 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:36 -!- aleksil has joined ##crawl-dev 04:27:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:35:37 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:38:32 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 04:49:03 -!- Thann has quit [Quit: sleeeep] 04:54:24 -!- ChongLi has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:57:07 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:01 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2777-g19157c3 05:03:37 -!- boxo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:08:47 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:11:42 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 05:17:31 -!- ChaoticTabris has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:17:39 -!- boxo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:21:05 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 05:25:27 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:35:31 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:39:48 GCC vs clang: clang is still slower, although with some really strange points 05:41:13 on test 4 (-arena 'cerebov v test spawner delay:0') it's a good deal slower (2.47 vs 3.15), but on test 5 (-arena 'cerebov, lom lobon, mnoleg, gloorx vloq v ereshkigal, asmodeus, antaeus, dispater delay:0 t:6') it's a good deal faster (6.98 vs 6.00) 05:42:16 I'd understand if these tests would be different (like, screen redraw vs monster AI) but here they're mostly identical... 05:42:17 03kilobyte * r2302989732b3 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Drop useless uses of _G from vault lua. 05:42:17 03kilobyte * rc07ccef77809 10/crawl-ref/source/ (15 files): Drop a bunch of useless uses of this-> 05:42:18 03kilobyte * r831427b3421b 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Unbreak Windows builds. 05:42:20 03kilobyte * r4a20bb18f0e7 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files in 2 dirs): An undocumented command-line option, --no-save. 05:42:20 03kilobyte * rcd63a29a8262 10/crawl-ref/source/test/stress/fireworks.rc: Repair the fireworks stress test. 05:47:30 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:56:41 -!- Grildrak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:58:45 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:03:53 -!- Pingas__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04:27 -!- DainHome has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 06:04:51 -!- Grildrak has quit [Client Quit] 06:17:59 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:43 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:31:36 -!- voker57 has quit [Changing host] 06:31:40 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:46 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:41:16 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:45:42 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:55:56 -!- barbs has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:07:13 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:13:57 !seen grunt 07:14:00 I last saw Grunt at Tue Jul 10 04:59:03 2012 UTC (7h 14m 57s ago) quitting with message Quit: leaving. 07:19:34 -!- Guest89667 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:19:52 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:35 !tell grunt could you create an account on gitorious? 07:22:36 kilobyte: OK, I'll let grunt know. 07:26:20 03kilobyte * r4c2075603a55 10/crawl-ref/source/mpr.h: Remove an obsolete comment. 07:26:30 03kilobyte * re9529475b9eb 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): Basic infrastructure for de-spamming debug mode. 07:26:48 evilmike: re MR and monster hexes, what about some of the ideas for that? Like guaranteed duration reduction but lower chance to outright resist, or a high chance to downgrade the effect and a lower chance to completely resist? 07:27:46 kilobyte: what about the feature freeze? :P 07:28:01 shouldnt that like, have happened a week ago? 07:29:08 no new features are being added 07:29:23 autoexplore trails are the last one I remember 07:29:41 alefury: I don't think changes that only affect debug mode can be problematic regarding feature freeze and release cycle 07:30:06 well, half the point of feature freeze is to get people to focus on bugfixing instead of making new stuff, right? :P 07:30:36 ie, debugging :p 07:30:46 oh, right :) 07:31:14 in this very case, I'm looking more at performance improvements, but still 07:32:08 Napking is probably happy about those... 07:32:08 03galehar 07shoals_colours * r10472ab95498 10/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc: Make the travel and display shore limit consistent. 07:32:08 03galehar 07shoals_colours * r12b44e960525 10/crawl-ref/source/ (branch-data.h dgn-height.h showsymb.cc travel.cc): Make the Shoals floor brown/yellow depending on height (wet sand). 07:32:16 kilobyte: how about this one? It's not a new feature, it's finishing a recent one (fixing shoals exploration) 07:32:44 kilobyte: I'd like your opinion on it btw 07:32:52 unfinished stuff in release versions sucks 07:33:16 there's still no answer from elliptic about the date of the tourney 07:33:57 I think it only lacks a rename (like shallow water (tidal)) and tiles (which are on mantis) 07:34:37 I'll finish it quickly and if nobody opposes, merge it 07:34:48 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Changing host] 07:35:17 also, can we add tiles during feature freeze? Because there are a bunch of them waiting on mantis 07:39:31 i think tiles were added long after freeze last time (it happened fairly early iirc) 07:40:13 I think as long as it doesn't need new code it's fine 07:42:24 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:43:07 speaking of tiles, there's still the rod tile thing 07:43:44 -!- Jatoskep has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:52 I see two ways to fix it properly (without a huge refactoring): 1. reserve 100 tile indexes for all combinations of rod image/rod type 07:44:06 or 2. use the mcache for items, too 07:44:52 perhaps they could be changed to the same hack as staves? 07:45:08 -!- aleksil has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 07:47:21 staves always have the same unidentified appearance for the same type, don't they? 07:47:33 yes 07:48:28 the problem is, rods don't, so the hack doesn't work there 07:52:43 edlothiol: I'd say use the easiest solution and disregard long term. Rods are likely to be overhauled at some point. 07:53:22 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:58 edlothiol: wait, what? rods dont? 07:54:26 i may be misremembering, but i think they do 07:55:10 alefury: nope (try creating a few rods of venom in wizmode) 07:55:14 they do, you just still have to wield them to identify their pluses/maxcharges 07:55:30 oh wait 07:56:17 i guess not, huh 07:56:28 maybe its a wizmode thing? 07:56:37 -!- Lost_Number has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:56:57 acquirement also gives rods reliably 07:57:46 oh hrm, using that staff hack would mean no randart rods :( 08:05:09 oh, hey MarvinPA! Could you try the shoals_colours branch and tell me what you think of it? 08:05:26 ah, sure 08:05:36 thanks :) 08:05:45 i spotted it in commit emails but didn't realise it was a separate branch, sounds like a good idea at least 08:06:04 03galehar 07shoals_colours * r1b6856f6d96f 10/crawl-ref/source/directn.cc: Rename tidal waters and wet sands in examine surrounding mode. 08:06:53 as I said, if nobody opposes, it won't stay in a branch for much longer! 08:07:19 i hope it stays in a lair branch 08:08:55 Yeah, we're talking about a git branch there right? 08:09:37 has the unicode-tiles branch been rebased? Is that ok to rebase and force push branches like that? 08:09:51 ChrisOelmueller, ghallberg: yes of course 08:11:18 galehar: I had to drop my commit that added debugging via dumping textures to .PNG, as in the meantime frogbotherer removed those giant textures 08:11:36 and those commits had, obviously, nasty conflicts 08:12:16 since I doubt you had any commits on top of that branch, this should be harmless 08:12:50 ok. but is it ok to rebase such branch just to cleanup, reorder, fixup, etc... even if not necessary? 08:13:10 I think it is, the benefit outweight the drawbacks 08:13:38 I'd rebase only on the final merge, if possible 08:14:04 unless there's some non-minor breakage 08:14:36 alright then 08:15:54 I doubt many people have your branch, though 08:16:13 I was thinking in general 08:16:21 and also more specifically about the veh branch 08:16:38 which is taking dust 08:16:40 you just told MarvinPA to review it for example, so he'd have to force-reset, but he's a big kid so it's not a hard blocker :p 08:17:44 but requiring people to force-reset is a minor inconvenience, isn't it? 08:18:51 -!- DainDwarf has quit [Quit: Dain's default quit message] 08:22:06 on a non really public branch, acceptable, yeah 08:23:53 <|amethyst> hm, crawl.org is only $5175 08:24:04 pffff 08:24:05 <|amethyst> "only" 08:25:20 crawl.com is also for sale :P 08:25:31 -!- ark____ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:25:55 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:06 galehar: looks okay to me, i guess a minor problem would be that yellow overlaps with halos as a floor colour 08:26:09 kilobyte: that's what I meant. Rebasing the veh branch for cleaning up isn't going to upset anyone 08:27:13 MarvinPA: yeah, that's what I feared. Maybe I can drop the wet sand / dry sand. 08:27:22 which was problematic in branches where the entire floor used to be yellow (tiles could spot mennas before he came into view, console you'd have to be xing every square of floor :P) 08:27:45 since this limit has no effect on exploration 08:28:45 possibly, yeah 08:28:48 I feel the wet sand idea makes the tide system more visible 08:29:12 and there's not enough dry sand to really hide an aura 08:29:12 poor console needs more colours :P 08:29:26 256 colours for 0.12! 08:29:27 yeah, there's not a huge amount of it so it might just be fine as-is 08:29:36 -!- hoody_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29:44 -!- barbs has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:56 ok, I'll add tiles and merge it unless someone yells at me 08:30:22 oh, and tidal water and [wet] sand don't have descriptions, that's the only other thing i spotted 08:30:27 Mennas can spawn on Shoals:5 only, if he causes a problem, we can drop him from there (or Lair branches at all) 08:30:45 <|amethyst> there is a status light for external silence now 08:31:08 <|amethyst> oh, out-of-view 08:31:27 -!- Karagy has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:29 should tidal waters and wet sand have descriptions? 08:31:53 every feature 08:32:18 well at least just the same description as shallow water/regular sand 08:32:28 but it can't hurt to mention the tides in there too 08:32:36 ok, I'll add it 08:32:40 DEPTH: D:20-27, Swamp:5, Snake:5, Shoals:5, Spider:5, Vaults:4-, Crypt, Blade, Tomb 08:33:26 -!- Karagy has left ##crawl-dev 08:33:29 also that halo thing reminds me, autoexplore really ought to stop when a halo or silence aura comes into view 08:34:08 it's one of the few cases where autoexploring (especially with delay -1) really has a big downside 08:34:13 for 256 colours, let's not add them anywhere in the default config. Also, it would break ttyrecs and watching games on DGL 08:38:43 -!- Namey has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:42:48 -!- tJener has quit [Changing host] 08:49:15 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:27 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:04 |amethyst, sorry for letting some self-LRD code slip through :( 08:53:07 -!- Fa has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:07 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53:47 hi Grunt! 08:54:21 Grunt: are you interested in joining the dev team? 08:54:37 because we'd like to recruit you :) 08:57:22 Of course! 08:57:29 \o/ 08:57:59 please make an account on gitorious then 08:58:00 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 08:58:08 I already have one, as Henzell will tell you. 08:58:10 "grunt" :) 08:59:06 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:02 there, you have commit rights 09:01:11 you're officially a memeber of the team :) 09:01:18 who can give him the +v? 09:01:30 <|amethyst> galehar: you have an @ you know :) 09:02:13 <|amethyst> You'll also need to talk to Napkin and rax for upgrades to your accounts 09:02:15 03|amethyst * r315c7ef50eea 10/crawl-ref/ (CREDITS.txt git-hooks/crawl-ref-cia): Cakes and ale for Grunt. Welcome to the devteam! 09:02:30 -!- Wahaha has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:02:31 yeah, I mean don't we have to configure the bots or something so that it gets the +v automatically? 09:02:34 <|amethyst> And add yourself to https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam 09:02:43 <|amethyst> oh, I have no idea 09:03:04 Do you normally use ChanServ to do that? 09:03:19 oh yeah, that must be it 09:04:04 probably add Grunt to some kind of 'dev' template 09:04:21 There's a template called "committer", which is probably what you want. 09:04:39 /msg chanserv access ##crawl-dev add Grunt committer 09:04:46 yeah i didn't actually bother to look them up. :) 09:05:28 -!- mhss has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:05:35 well, I don't have rights for this command 09:06:35 I can do that though :) 09:07:25 :) 09:08:51 ok, you can now push yourself all your patches waiting on Mantis :) 09:08:57 <|amethyst> btw, I haven't pointed it anywhere yet, but I registered dobrazupa.org to point to a potential new server... if someone wants it let me know 09:08:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:09:00 except tomb. :P 09:09:17 Upgrades to accounts? 09:09:27 Oh right I can set the thingamabobber so you can download saves and such 09:09:32 <|amethyst> rax: Grunt's a dev now, needs wizmode and saves 09:10:15 I think most of my residual uploads at this point that aren't vaults would be considered features, except possibly the attack verbs thing. 09:10:20 yeah, for the most drastic ideas, it's better to discuss them here before committing 09:10:44 and yeah, feature freeze too 09:11:01 the attack verb is quite problematic: it can lead to extremely long messages 09:11:18 kilobyte, at the moment, I have it configured as a disabled-by-default option. 09:13:57 currently, there's "Your spectral deep elf necromancer hits the helpless deep dwarf berserker with a cursed -1,+13 demon trident "Arsekicker" {flame, rElec, rF--, rC++, MUT+} from afar!!!" 09:14:04 already two lines 09:14:37 the weapon doesn't need to be this detailled 09:14:53 weapon type should be enough for fight messages 09:15:30 also, we should have a rule about adding options. If you want to add one, you need to remove an obsolete/useless one! 09:15:44 if you identified a randart previously, you should imo also see that the monster is using exactly that artifact 09:16:01 not sure whether pluses and weapon type would be sufficient for that 09:16:05 Grunt: I think you are updated on user Grunt now 09:16:08 -!- tJener has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 09:16:09 ChrisOelmueller: you can be examining the monster 09:16:17 Thanks rax! 09:16:55 -!- tJener has quit [Client Quit] 09:17:00 Grunt: No problem, let me know if it didn't work :) 09:17:03 the artefact should definitely be described 09:17:07 this isn't a process I have to do very often ;) 09:17:19 even worse, there are artefacts for which the base type makes no sense 09:17:31 I think Napkin has rights for the chanserv access 09:17:38 -!- tJener has quit [Changing host] 09:17:45 give the name of the artefact and more info in monster info? 09:17:48 there's no "lance", "shillelagh" or "flamberge" 09:18:16 <|amethyst> flamberge? 09:18:21 -!- tJener has quit [Client Quit] 09:18:27 getting hit by "hellfire" sounds cool 09:19:19 Cerebov's sword, although I don't see that word anywhere in the source anymore 09:21:01 Oh, before I forget to ask, who's responsible for Mantis access levels? 09:21:14 ...if I fix a bug, I would like to be able to resolve the issue myself. :) 09:21:17 I think Napkin but am not 100% sure 09:21:19 no, don't highlight me again! 09:21:24 Too late! 09:21:24 too late ;) 09:21:25 <|amethyst> :) 09:21:25 sorrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy ^^;; 09:21:36 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:18 -!- barbs has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:22:36 no "grunt" in manits :-O 09:22:42 I'm sgrunt on Mantis. 09:22:43 *mantis 09:22:58 (I'm not exactly sure what caused that dysjunction. <_<) 09:23:09 *disjunction 09:23:13 Napkin: what about /msg chanserv access ##crawl-dev add Grunt committer 09:23:15 can tou? 09:23:21 *you 09:23:40 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, I see... I was thinking it didn't look like a flamberge at all, but the player doll tile does 09:24:15 Grunt: you may want to disable "access-level emails" in your mantis profile, if you get too many. 09:24:29 I can handle a bit of access level e-mail spam. :) 09:25:06 done, galehar 09:25:09 hrm, I can't find the word "flamberge" in past commits as well, can't recall where I could think about it being called this way 09:25:18 -!- Jatoskep has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:25:20 do you have an account on CDO's DGL, grunt? 09:25:31 procmail 09:25:34 I'm SGrunt on CDO's DGL. 09:25:46 kilobyte: there's some talk about it in the logs of this channel 09:25:52 around december '11 09:27:00 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:28:14 ok, wizard mode enabled, Grunt 09:28:27 anything else to do? 09:28:48 can he download save files too? 09:29:13 mantis account level developer required for that - so yes 09:29:24 then I think he's set 09:29:44 excellent :) 09:30:42 Grunt: have you subscribed to c-r-d? 09:30:48 I will do that now. 09:31:15 -!- Grildrak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:31:19 https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 09:33:23 Done. 09:33:43 something tells me the list of new dev stuff should be written somewhere 09:34:19 good idea 09:34:39 along with who has rights to do each thing 09:36:38 kilobyte: i see you unbroke windows builds once recently already, but there's a new compile error it seems :P 09:36:42 package.cc: In constructor 'package::package()': 09:36:42 package.cc:135: error: 'mkstemp' was not declared in this scope 09:36:55 MarvinPA: ... 09:37:06 he unbroke, but he forgot to fix ;) 09:37:41 heh, breaking it again a different way the very next commit :p 09:37:50 :D 09:38:08 got to trot though, see you in an hour or so. 09:39:01 righto, cya 09:39:16 also welcome, grunt :) 09:40:04 Thanks MarvinPA! 09:40:47 galehar: could you tell us what transifer option to use to have it pull korean translations? No matter which option I use to get unreviewed stuff, it doesn't create the files. 09:41:23 (just in case you won't be on in the evening, I wanted to copy&paste glyphs into the font for 0.11) 09:43:54 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:46:06 -!- scummos has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:47:09 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:48:41 tx pull -a 09:48:50 should pull everything 09:49:30 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:01 tx pull -l ko --skip 09:50:06 to pull just korean 09:50:30 the --skip is to prevent it from stopping when it can't find a resource file 09:54:18 -!- shiweera has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:55:16 <|amethyst> is there any way monsters can destroy stone currently? 09:56:37 <|amethyst> I wonder if the possibility of monsters with shatter/LRD breaks any vaults 09:57:06 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:58:15 03galehar * r55dd3a9192c2 10/crawl-ref/docs/develop/new_dev_checklist.txt: A checklist for all the tasks to do when a new developer joins the team. 09:59:36 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:00:08 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:01:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:02:30 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:08 03|amethyst * r4ae42f60e597 10/crawl-ref/docs/develop/new_dev_checklist.txt: Neuter pronouns. 10:04:22 clearly there only ever will be male developers- oh fixed already 10:05:24 <|amethyst> I blame proto-Indo-European 10:07:38 -!- Flyne has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:07:54 -!- boxo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:09:16 -!- pantaril has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:09:48 I never remember how to properly use genderless pronouns 10:10:09 in french, we just use male by default 10:10:24 <|amethyst> that was the case in English 50 years ago 10:10:52 so now people beat up each other over "themself" vs "themselves" 10:10:56 no progress 10:11:07 <|amethyst> When the person is indefinite, it is safe in all but very formal writing to use plural 10:11:08 although politicians like to ugly and stupid stuff like (s)he 10:11:47 -!- andrewhl has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:11:47 ChrisOelmueller: there is a girl in the team 10:11:53 used to be 2 10:12:02 eino and jpeg 10:12:02 i'm aware of that 10:14:06 03|amethyst * r6bf6fde72959 10/crawl-ref/docs/develop/new_dev_checklist.txt: Missed one. 10:14:07 <|amethyst> what doesn't work as well, sadly, is using "they" for a specific person of unspecified gender 10:14:07 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:14:58 <|amethyst> so you couldn't say "The orc covers their eyes." 10:15:01 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:06 !seen Grunt 10:15:06 I last saw Grunt at Tue Jul 10 14:40:04 2012 UTC (35m 1s ago) saying Thanks MarvinPA! on ##crawl-dev. 10:15:09 dpeg: Hi! 10:15:23 Hey I'm late... Good stuff, Grunt! 10:15:29 Thanks! :) 10:15:33 hey dpeg 10:15:58 Nice to see the whippersnappers in their youthful activity :) 10:18:06 is he? I should have added a birth year column in the devteam wiki page 10:18:32 <|amethyst> I have no idea how old any of the devs are, other than myself and the ones with wikipedia articles 10:19:00 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:03 I'm 34. I think kilobyte is too 10:19:11 <|amethyst> 31 here 10:19:27 I am 66 and was forced to "retire on my own behalf from the devteam". 10:19:39 Ageism, I tell you! 10:20:04 <|amethyst> Hey, at least you get a pension of twice your annual salary! 10:20:50 <|amethyst> s/!// 10:21:03 dpeg: since you're around, you might be interested in this: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5902 10:21:03 From the DCSS funds? Nope, they cut saying that "my contributions were mixed, mostly lackluster and in the end strictly detrimental". 10:21:25 galehar: ah, thanks 10:21:36 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:37 Okay, okay, I'm 36. 10:21:57 -!- buppy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:22:40 <|amethyst> dpeg: Also, I was going to revive https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2299 and wondered if you had suggestions for the other gods 10:24:05 |amethyst: sure! Should I comment in Mantis, or here? 10:24:48 <|amethyst> hm... mantis might be better, since I'll have to make some changes to the code for that and would rather wait until after release 10:25:13 -!- Wahaha is now known as Wahaha_ 10:25:38 <|amethyst> (namely, ghosts of good god worshippers should get a property storing their original religion) 10:28:53 ah, nice 10:29:05 in other news, nicolas and I have a working proposal for a spider god 10:29:15 neat! 10:29:29 I think it has some interesting twists. You'll see. 10:30:29 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:32:32 wow, those messages in 2299 are pretty cool 10:32:48 dpeg: post it on tavern for fun! 10:33:09 21 pages later... 10:34:22 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:37:09 alefury: yes, just reading through them. Not sure I can really improve on that. Had no idea that minmay can be funny. 10:37:33 heh, you even commented on them in the mantis thing 10:37:41 but forgetting about that after two years is understandable :P 10:39:36 alefury: I have commented on so many things... Sanity demands to forget, just to live in peace :) 10:41:24 erm, I cannot comment -- that voluntary self-degradation to Mantis viewer now proves to be a burden -- anyone can help me out? 10:43:03 -!- ajikeshi__ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:43:32 looks like we'll have to invoke napkin again :P 10:43:40 What have I done? 10:43:51 * dpeg shakes head in disbelief. 10:44:01 heh 10:44:13 !seen Napkin 10:44:15 I last saw Napkin at Tue Jul 10 14:29:44 2012 UTC (1h 14m 31s ago) saying excellent :) on ##crawl-dev. 10:44:43 poor Napkin gets pinged all day and night 10:44:44 !tell Napkin Hi Marc! Machste mir wieder einen Status auf Mantis, mit dem ich kommentieren kann? Danke! 10:44:44 dpeg: OK, I'll let Napkin know. 10:44:48 now i did it again! 10:45:24 ChrisOelmueller: this makes him feel respected and very VIPpy, don't worry. 10:47:04 dpeg: you're still a dev on mantis 10:47:13 are you sure you're logged on? 10:47:24 also, you can't escape your fate that easily ;) 10:48:03 <|amethyst> galehar: says "viewer" for me 10:49:48 oh, that must be the wiki 10:50:13 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2788-g6bf6fde (33) 10:50:35 maybe I can't manage mantis permissions then. Only wiki. I thought they were the same 10:51:15 galehar: yes, really need Napkin for that one. 10:51:22 dpeg: Napkin has expressed recently a lack of motivation and wanting to hand over the servers 10:55:20 galehar: I am not really surprised. He's been doing this for ages. 10:55:50 well, he did sound a bit serious yesterday :( 10:56:02 I guess Napkin has been mounting card-to-tape converters in his youth. Give an old man a break. 10:56:03 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:56:09 or do you mean handling the servers, not talking about lack of motivation? 10:56:11 <|amethyst> alefury: I think "doing this" means "running the server" :) 10:56:16 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:56:21 I mean handling the servers, not the jammering. 10:57:04 When he decides to go, he should get a present: a permanent CDO account where nothing bad happens. 10:57:53 give him just 1 HP, but indestructible one. 10:58:07 so you just can't start new games? :P 10:58:53 -!- scummos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:59:32 ok, have to go 10:59:34 He was more easily despaired by OOD encounters or other bad luck than most ##crawl-devers, I would say :) 10:59:36 'later guys 10:59:38 galehar: bye! 11:02:27 One question: is it possible to keep Yiuf's as a normal vault but to *also* make it come up regularly in the foresty serial vault? 11:05:13 i think so, it works for jory in crypt:$ 11:05:23 i think 11:05:40 maybe it was something else... 11:05:49 Oh actually while we are talking about disillusioned server admins, who's running the August tournament? I may not be able to replace hardware in time, I need to talk to them about making things work 11:06:17 -!- maahes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:06:18 elliptic i think? 11:06:54 Ah most likely. I will msg elliptic, thanks! 11:07:35 disillusioned server admins... remember the days when you started with that tiny mit edu thingy, rax? 11:08:10 I do :) 11:08:16 and I am in fact shopping for new CAO hardware 11:08:24 and working on documenting things so I can share the server load more easily 11:08:46 but my colo provider is dropping me in August unexpectedly so we'll see what happens :/ 11:09:43 rax: did you know that someone just recently set up two new servers? (Australia and West Coast, I think) 11:09:58 Wow, awesome 11:10:01 webtiles only, though 11:10:06 i think 11:10:20 i think a lot today :/ 11:10:23 I would like to get webtiles on CAO post-upgrade 11:10:44 but it is a lower priority than making sure CAO exists and making sure there is enough disk space to run the tournament :) 11:10:55 It would be cool if we could have a single "portal-server" and it just distributed the load on the others. 11:11:11 and common authentication 11:11:19 yes, good points 11:11:24 And saves. 11:11:26 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:27 Somehow. 11:11:35 would need some discussion among server admins... the earlier, the better 11:11:36 Not an easy problem though :) 11:11:38 <|amethyst> I registered a domain for crawl purposes, but haven't looked much into hosting yet 11:12:49 It's not an easy problem at all 11:13:03 It's an interesting one but I don't have much time to put into solving it :( 11:13:28 I have plans for that, but they're far from ready 11:13:43 and it's more complicated for console, I think ;) 11:13:55 edlothiol: it should always be the other way around =) 11:14:13 not in this case :) 11:14:49 with a website, we can for example easily have the client contact another server for authentication 11:14:53 edlothiol: i dont think load balancing is that relevant in console? and shared authenthication shouldnt be that much worse... 11:15:24 just have to distribute the account list to all servers, then you can authenticate to the server directly 11:15:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:15:42 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:15:49 alternatively the server can ask the other server... 11:15:58 but that seems icky 11:16:01 yes, what should be easy is that all servers share accounts 11:16:25 <|amethyst> dpeg: giving it serial_forest works, but I don't know if it's possible to give it different weights depending on which tag it's being placed with 11:17:46 |amethyst: I guess you are much more familiar with this than I am... I think it'd be cool if serial vaults could also incorporate fitting ordinary vaults. 11:17:52 <|amethyst> well 11:18:00 <|amethyst> It's possible, since it's just some lua code in the vault 11:18:18 alefury: actually, it doesn't seem that icky to me... if we distribute the account list, we have to take care to synchronize it for example 11:18:31 <|amethyst> in the serial vault, that is 11:18:54 mhh, i guess its the standard way to do this kind of stuff 11:19:17 although it would be less problematic if we only have one place where you can register accounts 11:19:24 and it might share more code with the way webtiles would do it 11:19:47 it might 11:21:21 |amethyst: will adding the serial vault TAG to Yiuf's do the trick? 11:21:30 -!- freefall has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:21:56 -!- freefall has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:11 <|amethyst> dpeg: That's what I was doing at first, but it seems like you'd want to be able to use different weights 11:24:00 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:39 <|amethyst> but I guess it's not so bad really 11:24:43 |amethyst: yes, I agree 11:25:07 <|amethyst> what should the chance be of the serial vault placing Yiuf? 11:26:03 more importantly, what crazy stuff will he do in the forest? 11:26:17 the variable size hammer collection is just incredibly awesome 11:26:22 <|amethyst> stay in his hut and philosophise, same as usual 11:26:29 jeez, I get pinged while crawling with "bring back MD" :| 11:26:53 |amethyst: that of a normal serial vault member is fine. 11:26:53 haha 11:27:18 <|amethyst> dpeg: then the tag it is :) 11:27:25 dpeg: thats what you get for taking responsibility for the dwarficide 11:27:35 no good deed goes unpunished! 11:28:07 you may want to check you.uniques["Crazy Yiuf"] to check if the vault should be vetoed 11:28:15 or tag is uniq_yiuf 11:28:26 s/is/it/ 11:28:45 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:29:16 alefury: people are still bitter... isn't it more than one year ago? People forget being lied at by their politicians within days, but they remember MD--. 11:29:43 -!- Orionstein has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:30:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:38 well, this is about dwarves 11:30:44 also, nerdrage 11:30:48 <|amethyst> kilobyte: why isn't it working that way already? 11:31:07 bring back halflings! Back to the way they were in 2.69! 11:31:54 <|amethyst> kilobyte: does dgn.place_maps not respect the lack of allow_dup ? 11:31:58 Heck, this guy is typing whole pamphlets for me to read in _ console 11:32:19 |amethyst: it wasn't ever needed before. Vaults either have no effect if the unique already spawned elsewhere, or have a replacement. 11:32:51 |amethyst: it does... but if you have two vaults that can place Yiuf, you need to make them mutually exclusive 11:33:21 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I was just going to add the "serial_forest" tag to uniq_crazy_yiuf_cottage 11:33:54 that would work too 11:34:09 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20120421074340]] 11:34:10 yes, cannot have Yiuf without his cottage -- where he's gotta do all the thinking else? 11:34:44 <|amethyst> kilobyte: actually, I'm not sure if it does work, or if this is a problem with the way I'm doing it in wizmode 11:35:28 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I give the serial vault PLACE: D:2, start a game, and use &L to generate the cottage on D:1 11:36:09 dpeg: I think MD-- was not quite a year ago. 11:36:17 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I go down to D:2, and &^R a few times, and get yiuf's cottage (devoid of yiuf of course) 11:36:43 -!- jvj24601 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:37:47 dtsund: yes, I agree. But it surely feels like it! 11:38:24 <|amethyst> A year ago is approximately when I started playing 11:38:38 <|amethyst> oh, looks like 13 months 11:39:30 Whippersnapper! 11:39:31 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:39:32 * dtsund agrees with the reasoning behind the removal, but will probably kill Mi instead of MD in Light 11:39:37 <|amethyst> a year ago was my first win 11:39:51 dtsund: hey, always going for popularity, eh? :) 11:40:00 <|amethyst> beginner's luck I think 11:40:13 Actually, it's because I see commonality with other fantasy games as a virtue, rather than a vice 11:40:53 It's good to have distinguishing elements like the pantheon, but also good to have common base elements; the familiarity is good for new players. 11:40:53 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:09 <|amethyst> I'd better be off... later 11:42:13 bye! 11:42:39 dtsund: sure, but I believe that Crawl is big enough to afford its own twist on the staples. 11:42:47 There's less cognitive overhead involved in seeing "Minotaur" and looking up what it does than in seeing "Mountain Dwarf" and immediately knowing what they do based on experience with other games, is what I mean 11:43:12 It's a small thing, but small things add up 11:44:00 s/less/more/ 11:47:32 when are you finally going to kill humans? they are good for nothing? 11:47:38 As in any religion, there's a question to which extent one should follow the canon. Clearly, new players should realise at once that Crawl sits squarely in the "fantasy" background. But on the other hand, there's no point in the following the sources to the T, imo. 11:48:06 * dpeg makes a note that the Swiss are campaigning for homicide, now that they already have all our money. 11:48:22 the Swiss != this Swiss 11:48:41 otherwise i would fund some roguelike development :) 11:49:22 hehe 11:50:07 -!- y2s82 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50:07 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:52:23 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:28 the high fantasy background, infamous for killer klowns, curse toes, death yaks, and triple swords 11:52:37 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:52:47 and mad human scientists 11:53:44 death dobs. 11:53:48 cobs. 11:54:02 almost wrotde cods the second time. 11:55:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:55:16 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:59:16 done, dpeg 11:59:17 Napkin: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:00:31 -!- ac13 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:01:32 Napkin: you rock, as ever! 12:01:52 :-P @ 1hp! 12:01:59 dpeg :) 12:04:32 well, looks like poor kilobyte will have to do mantis admin soon, too ;> 12:06:05 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:09:13 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:11:03 Napkin: so it is decided, you pass the buck? 12:11:07 -!- hoody_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:06 well, i just can't manage to get things done there anymore 12:12:21 have been trying to write automated installs for webtiles for half a year now 12:12:31 no time, or no energy? 12:12:43 i think someone else may be quicker and would proove more useful to the community 12:12:52