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00:46:11 <CIA-50> 03evilmike 07swamp * r4b4148ee1e4f 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick.cc: Tweak mons_swamp_level()
00:46:22 <CIA-50> 03evilmike 07swamp * r0cc11ef22110 10/crawl-ref/source/dgn-swamp.cc: Vary the amount of shallow water in Swamp by depth.
00:46:22 <CIA-50> 03evilmike 07swamp * r53480028fdce 10/crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h terrain.cc): Fix save compat (broken by the swamp tree changes).
00:46:22 <CIA-50> 03evilmike 07swamp * r4eee91ee2b9e 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Buff swamp worm to-hit.
00:46:22 <CIA-50> 03evilmike 07swamp * rd226098ba9ea 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Make swamp dragons hit a bit harder.
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00:57:15 <Thann> thanks edlothiol ill take a look at athat now!
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00:59:07 <Grunt> ...?
01:10:26 <Thann> he comented on one of my tickets
01:10:33 <Thann> and i assumed he was in here lol
01:10:47 <Grunt> Aha.
01:36:08 <CIA-50> 03evilmike 07swamp * r8909c21f48fa 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/swamp.des: Do not trap the Lernaean Hydra behind a wall.
01:36:18 <CIA-50> 03evilmike 07swamp * r2d2f9548be3f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/swamp.des: Adjust Swamp ending vault weights.
01:37:45 <Grunt> The 27-headed Lernaean hydra knocks down a wall!
01:38:41 <Dixie> evilmike makes swamp 10x tougher for laffs
01:39:34 <evilmike> in exchange for a couple of harder monsters, you get to use autoexplore
01:39:44 <Dixie> woo
01:43:48 <Dixie> http://www.seramygames.com/
01:44:06 <Dixie> someone might want to get on a copyright-related takedown
01:44:11 <evilmike> nope
01:44:55 <|amethyst> most of rltiles is public domain
01:45:11 <Dixie> is that what dcss draws from
01:45:13 <evilmike> Dixie:
01:45:15 <evilmike> ??license
01:45:37 <Henzell> licence[1/1]: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/licence.txt
01:47:17 <Dixie> makes enough sense
01:50:25 <Dixie> i get kinda overzealous on dmca-type excitement
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01:56:06 <CIA-50> 03evilmike 07swamp * rec0ac7007b43 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick.cc: Whitespace fix.
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02:07:26 <|amethyst> since Spider seems to do fine without hellspider... what about making it show up once per rune branch, guarding the upstairs after you get the rune?
02:07:38 <|amethyst> making hellspider show up then, that is
02:07:47 <|amethyst> probably excepting Abyss and Pandemonium
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02:09:08 <|amethyst> you wouldn't need to prevent evading it---just put it on the upstairs of Branch:4, maybe with an anti-avoidance boost, if you do
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02:09:41 <evilmike> hmm. if it shows up after getting the rune, that's going to serve as discouragement for getting runes early
02:09:56 <|amethyst> hrm
02:10:30 <|amethyst> could scale the initial difficulty based on your level (it "pre-adapts"), but I don't think that would cure the perception
02:11:17 <|amethyst> or maybe put it in the "hard" rune branches only
02:11:41 <evilmike> guarding the abyssal rune would probably work better than other runes
02:11:52 <evilmike> with that one, you can choose to put it off... but you're losing out if you do that
02:12:00 <evilmike> with other branches, it's easy to wait until xl 27
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02:12:13 <Cheibriados> New tree tiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5869) by roctavian
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02:12:27 <|amethyst> how do you do the "repeated fights" thing
02:13:29 <evilmike> I suppose it would just respawn after a while
02:14:31 <|amethyst> hm
02:24:08 <CIA-50> 03evilmike 07swamp * ree6fe5c0b6df 10/crawl-ref/source/misc.cc: Make Swamp less misty.
02:25:02 <Grunt> evilmike, you seem to be taking away a lot of swamp's mistery.
02:25:16 <evilmike> did you mean to say misery or mystery
02:25:24 <Grunt> I meant to say mistery.
02:25:25 <Grunt> :p
02:25:45 <evilmike> oh
02:25:59 <Grunt> (...though that line of thought makes the joke work on several more levels!)
02:26:01 <evilmike> sorry, i wasnt expecting a pun, you caught me off guard
02:27:02 * Grunt catches evilmike momentarily off-guard.  Grunt puns evilmike into submission!!!
02:27:50 <|amethyst> do we need to get a groan-up in here?
02:31:42 <Keskitalo> evilmike: Looking forward to playing the new Swamp! :)
02:32:39 <Keskitalo> evilmike: Is it intended for 0.11 or 0.12?
02:33:06 <evilmike> I hope it's an improvement, will have to see what people think. It's ultimately the same branch as before, though
02:33:50 <evilmike> Keskitalo: well, I was thinking of going ahead and merging it now. If there are problems, it can be kept out of 0.11
02:39:35 <Keskitalo> I haven't looked, but it sounds ok.
02:39:41 <TZer0> Grunt: oh great.. puns across multiple levels... can one travel through it....
02:39:53 * TZer0 forgot the question mark for some reason
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02:52:09 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * rdfb2a98f9ec4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (38 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'swamp'
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03:15:19 <galehar> oh merged swamp, nice :)
03:15:39 <galehar> evilmike: you call it an experiment 2 days ago, then finish it and merge it :)
03:16:07 <evilmike> haha yeah, well, it's still a bit of an expirment. just need test subjects now
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03:16:15 <evilmike> experiment*
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03:36:17 <Gretell> Thales (L10 DsFi) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1403 failed. (Lair:3)
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04:30:06 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * rc0de92e00378 10/crawl-ref/source/dgn-swamp.cc: Make Swamp levels smaller.
04:30:30 <ghallberg> woo smaller levels!
04:31:28 <evilmike> yeah even with the other changes they still felt too big, and took too long to explore
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05:00:01 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2574-g7fd43ee
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05:36:07 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r0c1f48e15497 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-pick.cc mon-place.cc): Some more tweaks to the Swamp monster set.
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08:15:10 <absolutego> where do you define the color for halo effects?
08:16:15 <CIA-50> 03edlothiol * r771ce7874ca9 10/crawl-ref/source/ (82 files in 5 dirs): roctavian's new Shoals tiles (#5864).
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08:33:31 <edlothiol> absolutego: showsymb.cc:97
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08:50:13 <absolutego> woo that works, thanks edlothiol
08:50:39 <absolutego> did anyone have fancy ideas for a -tele area of effect? because i'm giving it a go
09:02:30 <galehar> maybe wensley would :)
09:02:57 <galehar> a monster with a -tele aura has a lot of potential anyway
09:04:53 <absolutego> i've quick-coded a moth
09:04:55 <absolutego> because moth
09:05:45 <absolutego> but i'll think about it for a bit before submitting anything
09:05:46 <alefury> whats the name?
09:06:04 <absolutego> the placeholder is "of stasis", but that's misleading
09:06:58 <HangedMan> moth of stability
09:07:02 <absolutego> i think the field itself could be of stasis (no tele, no haste, berserk), but that's probably a bit too bad
09:07:24 <alefury> why? proper stasis sounds nice
09:07:26 <absolutego> stability is good but makes me think of mutations stuff
09:07:40 <alefury> stability sounds too positive imo
09:07:53 <alefury> if its actually stasis, moth of stasis would be great
09:08:03 <absolutego> i'd go for stasis, yes
09:08:09 <absolutego> both name and effect
09:08:23 <galehar> doesn't have to be straight -tele or stasis. Could be a bit like abyss and impair translocations (-ctele, increased delay, chance of failure,...)
09:08:41 <HangedMan> moth of screw you jumping spiders
09:09:08 <galehar> why would it have any effect on jumping spiders?
09:09:26 <absolutego> tloc and haste are two great offenders, and it'd be nice to have ways to counter them. but combining the two effects may be too annoying
09:09:46 <HangedMan> wouldn't it effect their blinks
09:09:57 <absolutego> it shouldn't, as they shouldn't be blinks
09:10:06 <absolutego> if they're it can be fixed
09:10:27 <galehar> jumping spiders jump, they don't blink
09:10:29 * HangedMan shrugs
09:10:54 <galehar> they use the blink code path, but that's an implementation detail
09:11:36 <absolutego> it makes sense. it's not like, i don't know, using the OOD code for monster movement
09:11:42 <absolutego> that'd be insane (wink wink)
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09:45:57 <absolutego> @?? swamp worm
09:45:57 <Gretell> swamp worm (07w) | Spd: 12 | Int: plant | HD: 5 | HP: 26-50 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 26 | Res: 06magic(20), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 145.
09:46:51 <Cheibriados> swamp worm (07w) | Spd: 12 | Int: plant | HD: 5 | HP: 26-50 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 26 | Res: 06magic(20), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 145.

09:46:51 <absolutego> %?? swamp worm
09:47:20 <|amethyst> guess I should recompile chei
09:48:20 <CIA-50> 03galehar 07constriction * rb2eecd7b640e 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Fix constriction attacks dealing damage and some messages.
09:48:20 <CIA-50> 03galehar * r029872d57b0f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix vaults broken by the floor_sand_stone rename.
09:48:21 <CIA-50> 03galehar * rbd865dfecb32 10/crawl-ref/source/misc.cc: Don't consider unreachable sleeping monsters dangerous preventing long rests.
09:48:23 <CIA-50> 03galehar 07constriction * rc0576b2bb824 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Fix empty lines in constriction description.
09:48:34 <CIA-50> 03galehar 07constriction * r9ead7998d560 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): Blink isn't guaranteed to work when constricted (2 escape attempts).
09:59:18 <Cheibriados> swamp worm (07w) | Spd: 12 | Int: plant | HD: 10 | HP: 23-47 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 26 | Res: 06magic(13), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 162.

09:59:18 <|amethyst> %??swamp worm
09:59:27 <Cheibriados> bog body (09z) | Spd: 8 (swim: 140%) | Int: normal | HD: 6 | HP: 31-48 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Dam: 25, 412(cold:6-17) | 07undead, 10doors, amphibious, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 273 | Sp: b.cold (3d14), slow, corpse rot.

09:59:27 <|amethyst> %??bog body
10:00:13 <Cheibriados> Magic Dart missed (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5870) by some12fat2move
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10:02:09 <|amethyst> does shooting through a cloud reduce the accuracy of even magic dart?
10:04:08 <absolutego> light green is the best colour
10:07:30 <galehar> |amethyst: it probably shouldn't. Do you think that's the cause of the bug?
10:08:16 <galehar> |amethyst: I believe the constriction changes are finished. I just have to balance the changes to the damage formula and I'll merge it
10:08:29 <|amethyst> cool
10:08:54 <galehar> |amethyst: if you have time to have a look at it, before or after the merge, to test it and look for stupid mistakes...
10:09:07 <|amethyst> haven't tested the bug yet... have to do a full recompile after evilmike changed enum.h :)
10:09:24 <|amethyst> I'll load up the constriction branch while I'm at it
10:09:52 <galehar> it changes actor.h, player.h and monster.h, so...
10:09:59 <|amethyst> yeah :)
10:12:16 <galehar> about #4893, I'm really tempted to put implementing a scheduler with an event queue on the 0.12 agenda
10:12:41 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2611-gbd865df (33)
10:13:29 <galehar> uniformise player/monster speed, give monsters separate movement and action speed, have flexibility for scheduling dungeon events...
10:13:41 <|amethyst> +1
10:14:13 <|amethyst> remove the magicalness of "divisible by 20"
10:14:37 <HangedMan> having a 0.12 agenda would be nice, since 0.11 didn't
10:14:42 <galehar> it's a big change, but doable.
10:15:09 <galehar> HangedMan: 0.11 will stay as "the version when dpeg left". no leadership.
10:15:18 <galehar> let's see if we can do better for 0.12
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10:16:12 <HangedMan> heh
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10:20:06 <CIA-50> 03dolorous * rbaf6ebbef06f 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Give bog bodies their own genus, so they're not called mummies when in groups.
10:20:13 <CIA-50> 03dolorous * r62975904fe9f 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Move bog bodies to the 'z' section of mon-data.h.
10:23:11 <|amethyst> hm... I can't reproduce the thing about magic dart missing, at least in 0.11
10:28:27 <|amethyst> ah, clouds and "inacc did reduce accuracy of magic dart in 0.10
10:29:36 <|amethyst> oh, that was recent
10:29:41 <|amethyst> %git 8ce0e0f
10:29:41 <Cheibriados> elliptic * r8ce0e0f77d0a: Fix AUTOMATIC_HIT missing sometimes. (9 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/8ce0e0f77d0a
10:30:20 <|amethyst> i'll cherry-pick that into 0.10
10:30:56 <moxian_> Where can I complain on ants' tiles being hard to see on regular dungeon floor?
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10:34:23 <CIA-50> 03elliptic 07stone_soup-0.10 * r00ab69d54624 10/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc: Fix AUTOMATIC_HIT missing sometimes.
10:37:55 <alefury> moxian_: try the tavern, game design discussion section. some people who make tiles go there, they might make new ones.
10:38:17 <moxian_> alefury: thanks!
10:38:34 <alefury> oh, _dd is even in here
10:39:08 <alefury> i dont think he made any monster tiles though
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10:52:06 <CIA-50> 03galehar 07constriction * rb6f2406e0166 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Adjust the strong constrictors damage to account for the new formula.
10:52:57 <galehar> the 3 major current tiles contributors (roctavian, ontoclasm and dd) hang in the tavern
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11:05:50 <galehar> alright, here we go
11:06:00 <galehar> enjoy being crushed by bugs ;)
11:06:19 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * r05281031ee42 10/crawl-ref/source/ (11 files): Remove dur_been_constricted, merge some duplicate code.
11:06:19 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * rf2c83999a1f7 10/crawl-ref/source/ (actor.cc actor.h monster.cc player.cc): Avoid more logic duplication.
11:06:19 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * r62cb7de5ac32 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc: Monsters lose energy when failing to escape constriction.
11:06:20 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * r87c40161cad6 10/crawl-ref/source/ (19 files): Use mid rather than mindex for constriction.
11:06:20 <CIA-50> 03galehar * r6d6c5ac847e4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): Move handle_noattack_constrictions to actor.cc
11:06:20 <CIA-50> 03galehar * rda036df9021e 10/crawl-ref/source/ (actor.cc mon-data.h monster.cc monster.h): Get base constriction damage from the attack damage instead of HD.
11:06:21 <CIA-50> 03galehar * r7f69dca5324b 10/crawl-ref/source/actor.cc: Change the constriction damage formula.
11:06:21 <CIA-50> 03galehar * r98838f146079 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Adjust the strong constrictors damage to account for the new formula.
11:06:22 <CIA-50> 03galehar * r1dc3d567b699 10/crawl-ref/source/ (actor.cc actor.h monster.cc monster.h player-act.cc player.h): Move the constriction_damage method from monster to actor.
11:06:22 <CIA-50> 03galehar * r450cf93b95ab 10/crawl-ref/source/ (actor.cc actor.h melee_attack.cc melee_attack.h): Treat constriction as a normal attack type.
11:06:22 <CIA-50> 03galehar * ra84c8bbb4aec 10/crawl-ref/source/ (actor.cc mon-data.h mon-info.cc player.cc status.cc): Implement damageless constriction (hold) and give it to mimics.
11:06:38 <CIA-50> 03galehar * rf803cd96bce6 10/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc: Remove an obsolete comment.
11:06:38 <CIA-50> 03galehar * r776244b42596 10/crawl-ref/source/ (player.cc player.h): Fix octopode usable tentacle calculation.
11:06:38 <CIA-50> 03galehar * r67819db2bc60 10/crawl-ref/source/ (6 files): Blink isn't guaranteed to work when constricted (2 escape attempts).
11:06:38 <Grunt> You are being crushed by all of the bugs.
11:06:41 <galehar> FREEZE!
11:06:50 <galehar> no more features
11:08:17 <HangedMan> what noooooo
11:10:47 <ChrisOelmueller> this will end in tears
11:13:47 <|amethyst> galehar:  okay, having problems with tile builds now
11:14:37 <|amethyst> Error (dc-floor.txt:643): couldn't load image 'black_cobalt01'   and likewise for a number of others
11:14:51 <Eronarn> lava orcs..... :(
11:15:39 <|amethyst> galehar:  and then   process_desc.h:10:23: fatal error: lang-fake.h: No such file or directory
11:15:44 <galehar> haven't tried to build tiles, but I guess it might be caused by edlothiol recent shoals edit
11:15:46 <|amethyst> galehar:  which doesn't even make sense to me
11:16:02 <galehar> that's... strange
11:16:06 <galehar> have to go though
11:16:16 <|amethyst> I'll try to get it working
11:16:36 <|amethyst> unless "crawl-tiles compiles" is a feature :)
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11:17:54 <ChrisOelmueller> you could try to fix the recently introduced bug that blinking won't always escape constriction
11:17:58 <Grunt> |amethyst, tiles head just built fine for me?
11:18:32 <|amethyst> wait
11:18:34 <HangedMan> probably should just swallow my pride and submit two vaults for one issue to get them in rather then trying to get any more done
11:18:42 <|amethyst> I seem to have a problem
11:19:05 <|amethyst> galehar:  yeah, ignore me
11:19:37 <|amethyst> galehar:  somehow I managed to have 0.10 rltiles/  when I checked out
11:20:02 <Grunt> o_O
11:20:10 <|amethyst> no idea how that even happened
11:20:16 <|amethyst> oh
11:20:27 <|amethyst> I bet I ctrl-c'ed a "git checkout"
11:21:34 <|amethyst> because I ctrl-c'ed my compilation of the branch when I saw that it was in master; but what I ctrl-c'ed was actually something like  (make; git checkout stone_soup-0.10; make)
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11:22:09 <|amethyst> galehar:  yeah, it's working fine now that I unbroke my working tree
11:25:06 <Grunt> So it was really more of a not-working tree.
11:25:28 <|amethyst> it prefers the term "job seeker"
11:26:27 <|amethyst> bog body (z) | Spd: 8 (swim: 140%) | Int: normal | HD: 6 |  HP: 31-48 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Dam: 25, 4(cold:6-17) | undead, doors, amphibious, evil, spellcaster | Res:  magic(40), fire, cold, poison, drown, rot+++, neg+++, torm | Vul: holy++ | XP: 273 | Sp: b.cold (3d14), slow,  corpse rot.
11:26:39 <|amethyst> doh
11:26:50 <HangedMan> the colours, where did they go
11:26:59 <Cheibriados> Two minivaults. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5871) by Claws
11:26:59 <HangedMan> oh
11:27:05 <Cheibriados> bog body (09z) | Spd: 8 (swim: 140%) | Int: normal | HD: 6 | HP: 31-48 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Dam: 25, 412(cold:6-17) | 07undead, 10doors, amphibious, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 273 | Sp: b.cold (3d14), slow, corpse rot.

11:27:05 <Grunt> %??bog body
11:27:06 <|amethyst> copy-paste doesn't copy those :)
11:27:07 <Grunt> ...happy now?
11:27:10 <Grunt> :p
11:27:13 <HangedMan> yes, clearly
11:28:49 <ChrisOelmueller> worst color in existence, but it works in swamp i guess
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11:31:26 <kilobyte> looks like a spectral skeleton
11:34:57 <Gretell> Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2627-g67819db
11:35:06 <|amethyst> @??elephant
11:35:06 <Gretell> elephant (03Y) | Spd: 10 | Int: animal | HD: 9 | HP: 52-84 | AC/EV: 8/2 | Dam: 2007(trample), 5 | Res: 06magic(60), 12drown | XP: 431.
11:35:09 <|amethyst> yay
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11:49:29 <|amethyst> hmm
11:49:36 <|amethyst> an octopode, wielding a +5,+1 trident of freezing and wearing a cap (lightly wounded, constricting  and constricting )
11:49:47 <HangedMan> constricting and constricting?
11:50:02 <|amethyst> yeah, the name is being left out
11:50:48 <|amethyst> got it
11:50:59 <absolutego> ChrisOelmueller: LIGHTGREEN is best colour
11:54:14 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * r77ed7bdcd286 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-info.cc: Correctly display "constricting foo" monster info.
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12:33:58 <edlothiol> so, I'm trying out an option to show the path you've taken while exploring/traveling (mainly for use with travel_delay=-1, I think it makes it easier to follow)
12:34:56 <edlothiol> it currently looks like this: http://imgur.com/eRjnt (although of course the tiles are programmer art)
12:35:00 <edlothiol> any thoughts?
12:35:42 <|amethyst> edlothiol:  does it work with ascii?
12:35:48 <edlothiol> currently not
12:36:17 <|amethyst> I like it, but galehar just declared a feature freeze :(
12:36:38 <MarvinPA> i know elliptic mentioned wanting a way to see every tile you've walked on, even
12:37:03 <MarvinPA> since it's definitely relevant in places like zot:5
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12:38:27 <edlothiol> it only shows the path until you move again, then it is cleared
12:39:50 <moxian_> out of curiosity: would it be difficult  code-wise to keep the track of all your moves indefinitely? At least until you change levels?
12:40:14 <moxian_> I think it would be fun
12:40:17 <edlothiol> not really, but I think it would get annoying
12:40:21 <edlothiol> I'm thinking of making travel_delay=-1 default on CDO webtiles to help with the load, and this might make it more acceptable for players
12:40:30 <MarvinPA> yeah, travel path is for a somewhat unrelated purpose, it just reminded me of that idea
12:40:59 <absolutego> i don't think travel_delay=-1 is something that many people want, though, and you probably shouldn't force it on them
12:41:07 <absolutego> (and recommendations often go unheeded)
12:41:13 <MarvinPA> well it wouldn't be forced
12:41:23 <edlothiol> I'm not planning to force it, just make it default
12:42:17 <MarvinPA> an option to show the path definitely sounds like a good idea, anyway
12:42:31 <MarvinPA> delay -1 is pretty disorienting if you're not used to it
12:46:49 <edlothiol> I'll finish it up then, any suggestions for how it should look in console (if at all)?
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12:47:03 <absolutego> just highlight the tiles, what else can you do
12:47:19 <edlothiol> change color for example
12:47:36 <absolutego> well, that, yes :)
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14:02:11 <CIA-50> 03dolorous * rb7d6d954c112 10/crawl-ref/source/ (rltiles/dc-mon.txt tilepick.cc): Resort bog body tile entries to account for their glyph change.
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14:33:47 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * r957b2ec75df1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc abyss.h tags.cc): Cut abyss CPU usage greatly.
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16:22:07 <edlothiol> is the feature freeze really in effect? I somehow thought it was going to be at the end of this week at the earliest
16:22:35 <edlothiol> otherwise, I'm going to push the travel path option
16:30:43 <alefury> does it work in local tiles?
16:31:10 <alefury> also, i think anything that gets commited before the next cdo rebuild is fine
16:31:46 <alefury> or cao, whichever is earlier
16:31:56 <edlothiol> yeah, it works everywhere
16:32:10 <alefury> i would very much like to see that in 0.11...
16:32:39 <alefury> from what i saw feature freeze generally means "do not put anything in the game that might create bugs"
16:32:41 <edlothiol> I'll just push it
16:32:50 <alefury> tile submissions and sometimes even vaults were still done after the freeze
16:33:09 <alefury> i dont think anyone is going to yell at you for that
16:33:24 <edlothiol> this does fall into the category that can create bugs though ;)
16:33:29 <edlothiol> even though it's unlikely
16:33:49 <alefury> well, the point is to get all features enough public testing to fix most bugs before release
16:34:22 <alefury> so the next time stuff ends up on public servers or indownloadable trunk builds is the real deadline IMO
16:35:27 <alefury> i'm a bit sad about my noise patch not making it into 0.11 :(
16:35:41 <alefury> the messages probably need some improvement though, so i guess its better that way
16:35:57 <CIA-50> 03edlothiol * rd4f407ec6519 10/crawl-ref/ (34 files in 6 dirs): New option: show_travel_trail.
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16:36:05 <edlothiol> I'm sad that webtiles mouse support is not making it into 0.11
16:36:36 <edlothiol> but I didn't have enough time :(
16:36:39 <Eronarn> i'm sad that lava orcs
16:37:59 <alefury> they wouldnt have made it into 0.11 anyway
16:37:59 <alefury> adding a new race so short before a release would just be stupid
16:38:07 <alefury> edlothiol: easy solution: trunk webtiles :)
16:39:33 <edlothiol> for certain values of "easy" ;)
16:41:08 <alefury> is it really that hard?
16:41:31 <alefury> how is it different from console?
16:41:43 <alefury> arent the saves even compatible?
16:41:55 <edlothiol> no, but not easy either
16:42:20 <edlothiol> well, there is the problem of associating the right client files to the version that is actually running, but that is mostly solved
16:43:18 <edlothiol> you're right, there's nothing hard about it, just some work that needs to be done
16:44:09 <CIA-50> 03edlothiol * r9f2ceb05b0a1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (3 files in 3 dirs): A tile for gas traps (courtesy of ontoclasm, #5385).
16:44:32 <HangedMan> oh right
16:44:34 <HangedMan> ontoclasm!
16:45:13 <HangedMan> ...is not here, bah.
16:58:05 <galehar> I'm glad to see that yelling FREEZE had such a strong psychological impact
16:58:08 <galehar> :)
16:58:40 <galehar> edlothiol: you did good to push the new option. As long as you fix the bugs before release :)
16:59:26 <galehar> alefury: I haven't had the time to look at your patch. It's directional sound right?
16:59:33 <alefury> yes
16:59:51 <alefury> it works, but i think the messages sound a bit clumsy
17:00:06 <galehar> I really like the feature, but I'm not too confident about adding it to 0.11
17:00:38 <alefury> i dont mind, i know it was a bit short-term
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17:01:21 <galehar> be sure to yell if we forgot it after the 0.11 branch is split
17:01:25 <alefury> i might have to work a bit more on it anyway to accomodate people who improve the message
17:02:04 <alefury> will have to see what is needed for that though, maybe adding an optional a/an to the distance or something
17:02:10 <galehar> again, I haven't looked at it, but note that the directional part might be used for some other stuff, so try to isolate it
17:02:31 <alefury> yeah, currently it just gives the bare minimum string
17:02:51 <galehar> I mean a function that returns a "north-weast" when you give it 2 coords
17:02:55 <alefury> but i have run into the issue of all distance indicators having to start with a consonant for example, because i use them after a/an in messages
17:03:22 <roctavian> hey i had a tiles thing that doesn't seem big enough to post on mantis, but thought i'd mention here
17:03:57 <roctavian> currently splint mail is using my scale mail tile, and scale mail is using an older version of the tile that i submitted and don't think looks good
17:04:11 <galehar> I was thinking of using it to indicate when a monster stops explore then move out of sight. "You spot an orc at the east!"
17:04:24 <roctavian> this is all junk in issue 5575
17:04:49 <roctavian> should i address this to someone specific? edlothiol?
17:06:25 <edlothiol> roctavian: I'll take a look, I probably took the wrong tiles when I integrated them
17:06:59 <roctavian> edlothiol: thanks!
17:09:58 <edlothiol> roctavian: the fifth row should be the splint mail, right?
17:10:54 <roctavian> yeah, the one just above plate
17:16:12 <CIA-50> 03edlothiol * r987f7dfb3a0c 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Fix armour tile associations.
17:17:36 <roctavian> awesome! thanks again
17:17:36 <alefury> galehar: the funny thing is, a direction function was already in crawl. it was used only to give the direction of alarm traps going off. i found it after replacing half the sound messages...
17:18:56 <edlothiol> roctavian: no problem, sorry for mixing them up ;)
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17:42:52 <MarvinPA> edlothiol: i can't get the travel trail to show up in console
17:43:12 <MarvinPA> works fine when i compiled tiles instead, though
17:44:37 <MarvinPA> hm, looks sort of odd when you end up backtracking during autoexplore
17:45:08 <MarvinPA> i guess it needs more complicated tiles to cover that :P
17:47:00 <edlothiol> yeah
17:49:44 <edlothiol> I'll take a look at it in console tomorrow, need to go to bed ;)
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17:54:16 <galehar> the failed escape constriction message is really clumsy. Idea and on how to convey that you're starting to escape but not quite?
17:54:42 <galehar> also, I think monsters should have one too
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18:25:26 <evilmike> regarding the lightgreen 'z' for bog bodies, it's used becuase brown and green are already taken, and i dont like having water monsters on blue. lightred is also available, maybe this would be better?
18:27:25 <Eronarn> yellow?
18:27:32 <evilmike> taken by curse toes
18:27:45 <Eronarn> remove curse toes
18:31:10 <HangedMan> [strin' "global_prelude"]:111: attempt ta index local 'vault' (a nil value) x4
18:31:21 <HangedMan> nomi's current game, anthill vault in vaults
18:34:11 <evilmike> it would help a bit if the fake translations didn't screw up error messages
18:34:11 <Henzell> evilmike: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
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18:44:47 <clouded_> curse toes are great, we need more summon mushrooms
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18:47:08 <evilmike> I think more gods could be represented by uniques, and that could work for fedhas. although a fedhas unique shouldn't by allowed to instakill ghouls
18:49:02 <evilmike> oh, maybe green 'n' would be a better glyph for bog bodies
18:50:18 <nooodl> HangedMan: i like the dwarven error message
18:51:43 <HangedMan> heh
18:59:27 <clouded_> speaking of undead, we have a bunch of them that spawn so late for their threat
18:59:53 <clouded_> all of the W glyph, rotting hulks, flaming corpses, flayed ghosts
19:00:01 <HangedMan> eidola appear almost never
19:00:09 <evilmike> eidolons are only in the abyss and as vault monsters
19:00:14 <clouded_> I don't even consider them real monsters
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19:01:34 <evilmike> but yes, these monsters are pretty weak
19:02:11 <evilmike> if/when the monster picking functions get overhauled, that would be a good time to fix a lot of stuff like that
19:02:22 <clouded_> yes, exactly what I was just going to
19:02:24 <clouded_> say
19:04:54 <clouded_> I guess alternately we could change them in an attempt to make crypt more interesting
19:05:25 <Cheibriados> [strin' "global_prelude"]:111: attempt ta index local 'vault' (a nil value) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5872) by Nomi
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19:11:08 <clouded_> ah the hydra + swamp dragon swamp ends are all more common now? <3
19:11:15 <clouded_> I missed those
19:11:50 <evilmike> they were actually more common before, I just skewed the weights more
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19:17:59 <CIA-50> 03Thann * r5445f18af3d8 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Fix colouring of autopickup menu in webtiles.
19:18:01 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * rd664f9f5b257 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Avoid a memory leak.
19:18:02 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * ra6d900ee628a 10/crawl-ref/source/invent.cc: Separate inventory hotkeys for all rods vs all staves.
19:20:28 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r5b332f2121b1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Move bog bodies to green 'n', allow Fedhas prayer to work on them.
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21:11:04 <phunktion> howdy
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22:03:57 <CIA-50> 03dolorous * r9d51243ed1c5 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Fix spacing.
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22:18:28 <Cheibriados> Canceling levitation over deep water does not prompt (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5873) by crate
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22:20:27 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * rfddb39f9e1df 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Make bog bodies speed 10 (they still move slowly in water, though).
22:20:37 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r33f70b0eee82 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Decrease bog body exp_mod.
22:21:32 <BlastHardcheese> my body is ready
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23:09:18 <Gretell> Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2641-g33f70b0
23:17:34 <BlastHardcheese> think I found a bug, I got TrAM from random character, hit enter to start it, and got "Invalid weapon specified in config file"
23:17:54 <BlastHardcheese> I can start TrAM if I pick it manually from the starting screen
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23:41:59 * Grunt nods in evilmike's general direction.
23:42:11 <evilmike> do you get these on your phone or something
23:42:19 <evilmike> you're faster than the CIA bot :P
23:42:20 <Grunt> I do, actually. :p
23:42:34 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r603c53d006f0 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des: Death spiral vaults. (Grunt)
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23:46:23 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r09a5fe587111 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/entry/small.des: Statue garden entry vault. (Lightli)
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