00:03:38 -!- kek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:03:48 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2423-g1baa356 (33) 00:04:13 -!- eeviac_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 00:04:32 -!- eeviac_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:40 Poncheis the Convoker (L15 MuSu) ASSERT(attk_flavour == AF_REACH || weapon && weapon_reach(*weapon)) in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 4052 failed on turn 23708. (Vault:4) 00:16:55 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:11 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:22:16 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2423-g1baa356 00:32:15 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:54 !tell kilobyte New Oka piety is pretty crazy in sprint, presumably because people are killing hard stuff at much lower XL than normal 00:33:55 elliptic: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 00:38:54 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:38:56 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:42:57 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:48:16 -!- Pingas_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:07 -!- Pingas has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:09:45 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12:12 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:20:39 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:45 -!- kek has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:28:19 -!- eeviac_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 01:29:51 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:16 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 02:05:23 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:45 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:26 Can't count items under plant. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5830) by nubinia 02:35:05 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 03:43:45 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:52:55 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:52 -!- ddee is now known as _dd 04:58:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:00:02 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2423-g1baa356 05:02:47 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:13:23 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:30 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:19 03kilobyte * r4d1ad579b849 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dungeon.cc mon-cast.cc monster.cc tileweb.cc): Drop a few redundant braces. 05:31:27 03kilobyte * rff93fe29c8e0 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Changelog, up to 0.11-a0-2423-g1baa356 05:33:58 -!- ark____ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:12 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:47:37 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 06:04:16 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:39 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:00 kilobyte: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4940 06:19:27 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:19:51 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 06:30:37 edlothiol: ook, thanks for the notice! 06:30:37 kilobyte: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 06:34:29 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34:53 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:47 kilobyte: changelog typo: new uniques, not new unique 06:41:05 alefury: ok, thanks! 06:42:15 03kilobyte * rd517e6319ca4 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Apparently, Arachne and Fannar are not one unique in two persons. 07:06:36 -!- moxian has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:08:02 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes has joined ##crawl-dev 07:08:02 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes is now known as HangedMan 07:08:25 -!- phunktion has joined ##crawl-dev 07:17:03 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:12 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:20:05 Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2425-gff93fe2 07:24:30 03edlothiol * ra8cbcea35a4f 10/crawl-ref/source/tileweb.cc: Add some more debugging info for a webtiles error. 07:28:08 03kilobyte 07debian-trunk * r20caf165a7c6 10/crawl-ref/debian/rules: Set V=y for spam out all the sanity out of build logs. 07:28:09 03kilobyte 07debian-trunk * r98e21a4b1fdc 10/crawl-ref/debian/changelog: Debian changelogs for 0.10.3-{1,2} 07:28:19 03kilobyte 07debian-trunk * rdc77d771a602 10/crawl-ref/debian/rules: Don't install the clua dir both in crawl-common and crawl-tiles. 07:30:59 debian crawl-tiles should not contain '/usr/share/crawl/dat/clua/autofight.lua' (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5831) by adzeitor 07:30:59 kilobyte: oh, also the 0.10.3 changelog is missing from the 0.11 changelog 07:31:31 * kilobyte ponders that adzeitor guy's timing. 07:44:25 heh 08:12:43 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:01 -!- phunktion has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:24:41 -!- phunktion has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:43 -!- moxian has quit [Quit: quit] 08:37:28 there are a lot of sounds in crawl :( 08:53:37 wtf is ENCH_PORTAL_PACIFIED? 08:53:57 i messed with the message and i have no idea what this even does 08:54:18 something tries to exit a level when pacified, and the exit is hell or something? 08:54:22 oh, i get it now, no 08:54:45 looks like malign gateway tentacles turn hostile after a while 08:54:53 hahaha 08:55:11 i never noticed for some reason, even though i used the spell 08:55:31 i guess my power was too high so it got severed before it could turn hostile 08:56:49 testing all this crap will suck 08:59:24 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:53 -!- Xiberia has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 09:10:06 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:36 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:37 -!- frogbotherer has left ##crawl-dev 09:31:43 regarding web sense, currently "you hear a twang" 09:32:05 there is no silence check, though 09:32:21 imo this shouldnt be a sound, because being in spider form doesnt give you super hearing, it just gives you web sense 09:32:41 how else would you convey it? 09:32:52 you feel something got caught in a net 09:33:11 im not good at text, how else to convey it would have been my next question 09:35:21 could just use an antennae type thing 09:36:03 I didn't even realise spider form got that, seems like something you would never notice 09:36:21 you only get a message if you cant see the net, and the radius is only a little bigger than los 09:38:11 also the logic seems wrong for the distance indicator -.- 09:38:20 HOW COME NOBODY REPORTED THIS YET? 09:40:37 -!- Patashu is now known as Patashu[Zzz] 09:42:10 has to check for LOS_RADIUS_SQ instead of LOS_RADIUS of course. also, fuck crawl for calling squared distance distance 09:58:50 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:01:56 -!- frogbotherer has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:35 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2427-ga8cbcea (33) 10:08:56 'you sense something caught in a web to the direction' 10:09:33 currently web sense gives only distance, not direction 10:09:51 changing that might make it a bit more useful, but probably not really 10:10:16 do monsters get direction? 10:10:33 i think monsters get your exact position, but i havent looked into it 10:10:38 ??web sense 10:10:38 web sense[1/1]: Creatures with this flag (most spiders and Arachne) are alerted when something is caught in a web within 10 squares. 10:10:52 maybe they just wake up, i dont know? 10:13:50 hm, there is a 1/4 chance for nothing to happen, the rest of the time a coinflip decides whether the monster is disturbed or alerted 10:13:53 whatever that means 10:16:12 wandering or seeking 10:16:57 03edlothiol * rc702831a7453 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/ (server.py userdb.py): Add some error checking for the webtiles server config. 10:17:07 03kilobyte * rbf500ca0f0c0 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): Remove #define LOS_MAX_RADIUS 10:17:07 03kilobyte * rbc13edd2ceae 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Changelog for 0.10.3 10:28:21 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:16 hm, so sometimes they get the exact position, sometimes nothing 10:34:03 it would probably be okay to add direction to player web sense then, giving a fuzzy position 10:34:16 player web sense doesnt matter at all, though 10:35:07 meh, ill just do it while im changing stuff 10:35:29 i also made jelly eating tell you what got eaten, i hope thats okay? 10:35:55 (only if you see it happen of course) 10:36:18 -!- Vandal has quit [] 10:38:13 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:44 that is good 10:41:05 one case where this matters: death oozes eating silver stuff (if this still happens) 10:41:45 i have no idea, i was just changing the audible message to a visible one, and thought hey, telling people what just got eaten would be nice 10:42:09 eronarn: silver doesn't do extra damage to death oozes 10:42:16 death oozes are not chaotic 10:45:13 oh right, i forgot silver doesn't hurt corpses now 10:47:52 wow. kill me now. there already was a direction function. 10:48:36 _direction_string in traps.cc 10:48:52 its even called the same as mine other than the leading underscore 10:51:04 its also a tiny beat shorter and less readable due to ternary operators, but other than that seems to work the same 10:52:13 well, almost the same 10:53:17 it seems to only be used by alarm traps triggered out of sight (which only friendly monsters can do) 10:53:18 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:57 oh, in sight too 11:03:16 soul (L10 CeCK) (D:11) 11:06:16 !lm soul crash -log 11:06:17 41. soul, XL10 CeCK, T:7339 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/soul/crash-soul-20120624-160317.txt 11:11:32 hm 11:13:19 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:13:41 theres a bug in the alarm trap code, friendly monsters cant trigger them (you discover the trap and ammo is decreased, but there is no message, and no sound) 11:13:48 looks like inverted logic to me, will test 11:15:01 -!- phunktion has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:08 yep 11:19:06 (note that if you just remove the inversion players cant trigger it) 11:26:31 which version to keep? http://pastebin.com/Q3DxbfAj 11:33:03 second one is probably better 11:34:01 id probably change the fuzz to be relative to dx and dy instead of a fixed range, though 11:34:09 should sound directions generally be fuzzed, by the way? 11:35:35 hm, better to make the fuzz relative to distance i guess 11:38:43 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:48 oh, also, is it better to return a std::string, or a char*? 11:39:42 Wizmode &P gets stuck in an infinite loop up when used for minivaults (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5832) by evilmike 11:41:22 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:56 kilobyte: ^^ 11:48:29 oh, apparently the logic was properly inverted for alarm traps, and hostile monsters could trigger them even though the comment clearly says they shouldnt 11:49:25 should i change it or leave it as it is (hostile monsters trigger alarm traps, silent failure with ammo decrease and trap reveal for friendly monsters)? 11:49:28 if change, to what? 11:55:16 hm. galehar ? |amethyst ? anyone? 12:02:03 well, alarm traps can also be set off in the distance (there's a message for "a distant blairing wail") 12:02:30 would that ever happen if monsters couldn't set off alarm traps? 12:04:29 it kind of looks to me like the comment is wrong - it should say "friendly", not "hostile" 12:23:03 why wouldnt friendly monsters set them off? 12:23:18 they don't hit you with zot traps either 12:23:43 hm, true i guess. silently failing is probably not the proper way to do this, though 12:24:15 imo just wrap the whole alarm trap code in if(!(mon && mon->friendly())) then 12:24:40 03dolorous * r9ba59e61bc16 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Fix punctuation in changelog entry. 12:25:07 and not reveal the trap if a friendly steps on it either 12:28:21 I also don't see why hostile enemies would reveal traps for you. (not that revealing them makes a whole lot of sense either way) 12:28:38 it does seem to make slightly more sense for friendlies, though 12:39:12 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:39:22 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:36 well, they reveal them because the trap does something 12:48:03 I mean, reveal them when the trap silently fails 12:48:24 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:31 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:26 -!- Giomancer has left ##crawl-dev 13:03:00 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 13:03:11 an alarm trap being triggered is not exactly silent 13:03:19 -!- HangedMan is now known as GreatOrbOfEyes 13:03:24 -!- Wensley is now known as HangedMan 13:05:20 -!- HangedMan has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:05:47 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:47 -!- HangedMan is now known as Wensley 13:06:25 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes is now known as HangedMan 13:17:45 -!- Nomi has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:00 nobo (L17 DEWz) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (39,26) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef)) 13:52:04 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:21 blabber: would it be a problem if Crawl tiles relied on a decent font installed on the local system? Can one be found in a relatively fixed place on BSD? 14:09:56 kilobyte, /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts is populated with fonts 14:10:08 e.g. /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/URW 14:11:08 must be truetype (or otf) 14:12:21 in the long term, I'd want to use fontconfig or something to locate fonts per-glyph, but for 0.11, some simple method for finding the file would be needed 14:12:43 /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/{TTF,OTF} exist. what fonts are installed depends. 14:12:52 could just ship a big font like we currently do, but such a pointless waste of space makes me wince 14:13:25 (it was acceptable with only 256 glyphs supported) 14:14:11 unifont isn't huge 14:14:58 well. 16M for unicode coverage 14:15:40 kilobyte, i can force the presence of a specific fon in the port. 14:16:10 s/fon/font/ 14:18:32 ChrisOelmueller: currently, the whole download is 7MB 14:19:01 i was calculating per glyph :) 14:20:44 blabber: cool, ie, like what I expect on Linux distributions 14:21:38 looks like unifont is so ugly there'd be major complaints 14:21:49 heh 14:21:56 (there are complaints whenever you change hinting settings, so the bar is quite low :p) 14:22:14 yeah, we use it for locales where no "better" font is defined yet 14:22:21 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 14:22:27 but it's nice to have a fallback that works with literally everything 14:26:08 not everything, it has only Plane 0 14:33:05 a very safe font is Dejavu (1MB for mono + proportional), except that it lacks CJK. And Korean is the most advanced translation... 14:34:35 "very safe" since it is literally Bitstream Vera (with lots and lots of extra glyphs), so there'd be no regressions 14:35:14 strictly speaking, Debian packaging already drops .ttf files shipped with Crawl and uses Dejavu installed on the system 14:37:08 kilobyte: construct a good-looking font out of dejavu with font from some other monospace free font to fill in all the cjk holes 14:37:19 for an unsafe route, there's for example a chinaized version of TTF-Droid, 7ish MB 14:37:19 "roguelike mono" 14:37:58 Wensley: hah, I considered that name for a font with a collection of Runic, Unicode 6.0 symbols, etc :p 14:38:08 do it! 14:38:19 we can use actual futhark runes for the runes of zot 14:38:19 hey, my RL needs runic 14:38:21 that'd be great 14:38:27 I mean, ttf-junicode has a great set of Runic glyphs that I use for wall symbols 14:38:45 the version in unifont sucks so much it hurts 14:38:46 unifont *is* ugly, but it does have decent futhark 14:39:07 or rather 14:39:16 it has the only version of futhark I have ever seen in a monospace font 14:40:23 ... ooh, it's not junicode but not useless. I must have mistaken it for some other runic. 14:40:36 we should just make a font designed for RLs 14:40:44 I've thought about that 14:40:48 not sure where to start tho 14:40:56 by ripping off existing stuff, duh 14:40:57 probably from dejavu 14:41:12 but what to take out, what to leave, and so on 14:41:27 generally i'd say make stuff look nicer when it's on screen at the same time 14:41:32 even if that makes it bad as its original glyph 14:42:01 e.g., replace - with an em dash so that it forms unbroken lines 14:42:24 make it all square 14:42:32 all square is definitely an option... i saw a really nice square font recently 14:42:36 it was barely noticeable 14:42:51 with the right optical trickery, i think it might actually be doable (and i normally hate square fonts) 14:42:53 ghrmblah, bastards made it impossible to use a font not declared as monospace in gnome-terminal (part of Gnome 3 suckage). And xfce-terminal I normally use allows only one profile, globally. 14:42:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:13 kilobyte: custom font, declare it as monospace 14:43:20 what's that font editor 14:43:22 fontscape? 14:43:25 fontforge 14:43:31 that's it 14:44:13 I never got around to shoehorning Unicode 6.0 chars from some font into a sane monospaced bounding box 14:44:28 but yeah, grand unified roguelike font would be nice 14:44:38 would perhaps be enough to persuade people to not use monaco 14:44:38 the font I have currently installed makes them spill onto a good part of the next letter, making it useless for Crawl 14:45:22 i volunteer for the hexgrid working group if you create such a project :P 14:45:54 Eronarn: I feel like the hwg would prefer a non-square font 14:46:31 Wensley: yes, so there'd probably want to be a square and non square version 14:47:01 hwg? 14:47:02 which is to say, just a non-square version that could be fairly trivially turned into a square version by widening the bounding box 14:47:20 for those weirdos that want squares 14:47:37 ghallberg: the hexgrid working group 14:47:37 Squares sound nice for roguelikes 14:47:51 squares sound nice for tiles 14:55:44 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:24 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:08 is the singing sword supposed to appear unidentified? 15:05:39 I think so it gets the greeting message 15:05:42 not sure what to do with its welcome gimmick 15:05:55 shout on sight? 15:05:55 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:05 could mark it with a prop, and make it greet you even though you know what it is 15:09:30 Greet on pickup? 15:14:05 greet on pickup sounds reasonable to me 15:20:27 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:28:29 -!- eeviac_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:34 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:06 The Singing Sword says, "Hi! I'm the Singing Sword!" 15:37:09 sounds bad 15:38:05 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:41:35 "Hi! I'm , who are you!?" 15:41:42 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:13 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: gn8] 16:07:00 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:36 03kilobyte * read61936296b 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Move the tile for fallback rune (currently elven, mossy) to runes/ 16:11:47 03kilobyte * r064a9d1f4bd3 10/crawl-ref/source/ (art-data.txt art-func.h): Make the Singing Sword start identified. 16:11:47 03kilobyte * r15706b8936c1 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc: Don't claim picking up a rune would burden you. 16:11:47 03kilobyte * r0a680affcf66 10/crawl-ref/source/zotdef.cc: Randomize runes spawned in ZotDef. 16:36:06 -!- eeviac_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 16:36:51 Saint Roka feels out of place in Spider: especially in more cramped layouts, his orcs get strewn around some webs, mixed with spiders 16:44:27 Perhaps he could have his own vault in Spider, with more open space? 16:44:55 better to just forbid him from spawning there, I think 16:46:25 a vault implies that saint roka has set up some kind of base... inside a nest of spiders 16:47:23 well, there are vaults where the orcs dug into spider and got murderized 16:47:25 By vault, I mean just forced open space 16:48:13 03kilobyte * r9c3772103520 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des: Don't place Saint Roka in Spider. 16:53:11 -!- frogbotherer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:06 03dolorous * r38b4c9099b9d 10/crawl-ref/source/art-func.h: Remove unneeded space. 17:22:16 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 17:39:02 roka being in spider makes no sense at all, jeez :( 17:39:40 Eronarn: why the ":("? Do you disagree with the change, or...? 17:41:35 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:41:41 give roka's band spider form 17:43:07 kilobyte: no, just wonering why it happened 17:46:10 why complain about cramped spaces with webs when "stuck on the edge of los across the sea" is potentially just as abusable 17:50:36 kilobyte: any answers to my earlier questions? 17:51:24 also, alarm traps are silent surprisingly often, just look at their code 17:53:05 alefury: EATTENTIONSPAN 17:53:28 it's not obvious from the scrollback what you're referring to, too 17:53:39 mostly which direction function to scrap 17:53:56 but also if anything should be done to alarm traps to make them not weird and stupid 17:54:22 -!- eeviac_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:23 having them do nothing but expend ammo and be discovered when an ally steps on them is not exactly great 17:55:28 also there is a comment in the code saying hostile monsters shouldnt trigger them, but actually friendly monsters dont trigger them, in the aforementioned weird way (its probably better this way around) 17:56:08 I'll just make it unconditional 17:56:23 that "too harsh" situation worked for ages 17:58:29 if everything can trigger them, they could use a bit more "ammo" imo 17:59:10 another thing, should the sound position be fuzzed for purposes of distance and direction? It makes sense, but probably the most relevant effect is more message spam because multiple shouts from the same direction would appear different and couldnt be abbreviated with "you hear ... x5" 17:59:45 ChrisOelmueller: hostile enemies have been able to trigger them, making it unconditional just lets friendlies do it too 18:00:01 yeah, i was complaining about the low ammo in general :-) 18:00:09 -!- st_ has quit [] 18:00:15 03kilobyte * r15161324fade 10/crawl-ref/source/traps.cc: Don't let alarm traps silently lose a charge when an ally triggers it. 18:00:28 i usually walk over an alarm trap three times to have it outta my way 18:02:02 03kilobyte * r7e19b61f0df9 10/crawl-ref/source/traps.cc: Give alarm traps a bit more ammo. 18:09:36 kilobyte: so, which direction function to scrap? there already was one in traps.cc for alarm traps, i didnt find it and wrote a new one. Both seem pretty meh to me, so I cant decide which one to scrap. http://pastebin.com/Q3DxbfAj 18:11:45 also, should i return a std::string or a char*? 18:11:52 do what I do: start a big rewrite, then get distracted and do something else :p 18:12:43 well, im pretty much done with messages in .cc files, just need to add stuff to messages that come from db (such as shouts) 18:12:44 and exercise a few iterations of that :) 18:12:50 it would be a bit silly to stop now 18:12:56 in the former, const char* is better (no need to allocate a std::string on the heap), in the latter, you don't have a choice 18:13:42 huh? 18:14:11 ill keep the former then 18:18:51 so, fuzzing 18:19:06 should i fuzz the positions of sounds somehow or not? 18:19:30 im thinking probably yes 18:19:39 would be easy to change the default anyway 18:19:52 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:05 -!- Patashu[Zzz] is now known as Patashu 18:26:55 New branch created: unicode-tiles (2 commits) 18:28:09 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:42 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:00:54 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:17:54 -!- syllogism has quit [] 19:21:43 -!- eeviac_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:35:44 -!- ark____ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:39:05 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:42:03 03kilobyte * raa5e9a846b20 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/spider.des: Wasps don't make wax, but something akin to brown paper. 19:42:13 03kilobyte * rce757b2d18d5 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/ (builder/arena.des portals/bazaar.des): Remove two unfitting uses of honeycomb wall tiles. 20:09:10 -!- Dixie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:55 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:24 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/features.txt;#l814 20:56:49 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 20:58:57 -!- HangedMan is now known as greatorbofeyes 21:14:28 03evilmike * r49feb88e2df7 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/snake.des: Adjust weights for Snake endings. 21:14:37 03evilmike * r5dcbe50cfe09 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Two minivaults. 21:14:37 03evilmike * r7b18f21eeb40 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des: Two large floating vaults. 21:14:37 03evilmike * rcbb7c386f0b2 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/spider.des: Two new Spider entries. 21:14:54 -!- hangedman has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:58 * Grunt goes to see what evilness evilmike is up to... 21:17:00 some of those are relatively safe 21:18:07 _bad_box looks entertaining. 21:18:25 -!- greatorbofeyes has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:19:22 -!- hangedman_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:01 -!- hangedman has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:20:46 maaaaaaaan, I've been dwadling on something shaped like horseshoe for forever 21:21:27 oh well 21:32:45 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:34:16 evilmike: twister fine in abyss? 21:45:39 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:53:48 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:13 hangedman_: no 21:55:40 fine 21:56:10 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 21:56:55 it's supposed to be a temporary, unkillable miscast effect 21:57:12 upgrading it into a permanent unkillable monster isn't going to be good, because there's no way to tell players "this has 10000 hp" 21:57:32 giving it lower hp wont work because that might mislead players into thinking they can kill miscast twisters 21:58:16 compared to permanent unkillable statue? but alright alright 21:58:41 <|amethyst> what about giving it a different name? 21:59:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:16 could use a renamed one, yeah 22:01:35 was hoping "abyss" (possibly with "abyss exit") would give incentive to let it loose and run in after rather then "fight" 22:03:06 i doubt its possible to use an abyss exit when there's a tornado on it 22:05:21 bah, I need to give some examples later when I can 22:12:33 umm, i don't suppose it's possible for Jivya vaults pre-Lair to always be behind a locked door or something? 22:12:54 running into a pack of 4 jellies on D:2 with a altar can really ruin one's day 22:23:47 -!- eeviac_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:36 -!- hangedman_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:32:37 you can safely run from jellies 22:32:41 unless you're a naga I guess 22:42:48 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:59 -!- Nomi has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:22 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:51:59 -!- Dixie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:54:31 -!- varmin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:48 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 23:07:57 Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2445-g7b18f21 23:19:16 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:25:15 -!- eeviac_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 23:39:16 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:47 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:41:25 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:42:20 -!- Nomi has joined ##crawl-dev 23:57:04 -!- Grunt has quit [Quit: leaving]