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00:06:55 <BlastHardcheese> ??why
00:06:55 <Henzell> why[1/2]: <Nomi> because the devs love you
00:07:18 <Nomi> imo the tomb:3 ossuary needs something in the place the rune is
00:07:27 <Nomi> something silly, like a piece of gold
00:07:41 <danharaj> rune mimic
00:07:44 <danharaj> (not serious)
00:08:03 <BlastHardcheese> inept rune mimic
00:10:18 <Nomi> okay that's the one place where a mimic makes sense
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01:03:16 <Nomi> if you staff acquire as a trog worshipper, you are guaranteed a rod, right?
01:03:52 <BlastHardcheese> ??Staff acquirement
01:03:53 <Henzell> staff acquirement[1/4]: Gives a rod or a staff, weighted towards something new and useful given your skills, but nothing is guaranteed.
01:14:51 <Napkin> rebooting CDO...
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01:20:44 <Gretell> soul (L9 CeCK)  (D:8)
01:20:45 <Gretell> offering (L18 DEIE)  (Lair:4)
01:20:55 <Gretell> soul (L8 CeCK)  (D:7)
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03:11:17 <Gretell> Ahriscada (L8 FeMo) ASSERT(duration[DUR_AFRAID] > 0 == !fearmongers.empty()) in 'fearmonger.cc' at line 56 failed. (Abyss)
03:12:19 <kilobyte> lemme guess, an eidolon has been eaten by the Abyss
03:12:38 <kilobyte> !lm Ahriscada type=crash x=v -log
03:12:39 <Sequell> 1. Ahriscada, XL8 FeMo, T:13094 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/Ahriscada/crash-Ahriscada-20120622-081116.txt
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04:38:26 <Cheibriados> New branch created: wip-lightning-rod (2 commits)
04:39:44 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * r81fc2edf2e53 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): Remove an unused and misleading argument.
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04:48:03 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte 07wip-lightning-rod * rc62cbbf00859 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: Comment that standard beam AC formula is no good here.
04:49:21 <kilobyte> while the rod seems to work well code-wise (untested in tiles), I'm completely stumped wrt the damage formula
04:50:44 <kilobyte> what I had in mind, calculating the arc that hits the victim in question, turns out to boil down to damage proportional to 1/distance
04:53:56 <alefury> so?
04:54:54 <kilobyte> double damage to adjacent targets is not good...
04:55:16 <kilobyte> (the angular size at distance 1 is double that at distance 2)
05:00:02 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2384-g00e6c84
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05:48:22 <alefury> hmm, yes
05:48:45 <alefury> make it proportional to 1/(r+a)?
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05:58:48 <kilobyte> what is a?
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06:04:36 <alefury> a number
06:04:51 <alefury> of your choosing
06:05:33 <alefury> the larger it is, the less damage will go up when you lower the distance
06:05:43 <alefury> id pick something like 1 or 2 i think
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08:27:02 <alefury> !learn add alefury searching by waiting sucks, something like new weapon use-id would be better
08:27:04 <Henzell> alefury[7/7]: searching by waiting sucks, something like new weapon use-id would be better
08:27:12 <alefury> ^^ this, please, for 0.12
08:27:51 <|amethyst> you mean, you will always see this secret door if you have T&D above $RAND, and will never see it otherwise?
08:27:55 <|amethyst> that sounds bad
08:28:11 <alefury> worse than search by waiting?
08:28:15 <|amethyst> yes
08:28:36 <alefury> i think searching would work much better if it had an actual cost
08:29:01 <alefury> in most vaults you can just did past for example
08:29:13 <|amethyst> dig?
08:29:23 <alefury> or lets say most cases, not vaults, because way too many vaults have secret doors in stone walls
08:29:28 <alefury> yes, dig, sorry
08:29:58 <alefury> its not quite so clear for secret doors, but for traps it would work much better imo
08:30:38 <kilobyte> to be honest, I think this is a waste of time: I can't think of a single reason secret doors should stay in the game
08:30:38 <|amethyst> hm
08:30:44 <alefury> that too
08:31:14 <alefury> well, one reason: door vault and reverse door vault are super awesome
08:31:29 <alefury> but thats not enough imo
08:31:57 <kilobyte> and they're not even secret to anyone semi-spoiled
08:32:20 <alefury> secret doors work really well in binding of isaac
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08:32:47 <alefury> there is a secret room on every level (two with the expansion), and you have to bomb through walls to find it
08:32:55 <alefury> bombs are usually a pretty limited resource
08:33:27 <alefury> there are some rules governing the placement of the secret room(s), so if you know those you can limit the number of walls you need to bomb a lot
08:34:06 <alefury> if you have enough bombs its often a good idea to try to find the secret room
08:34:07 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * ra87b586b593f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (AppHdr.h l_crawl.cc libgui.h libunix.h libw32c.h tileweb.cc): Make is_tiles() available on the C++ side.
08:34:07 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * r3d0a84c0ca58 10/crawl-ref/source/chardump.cc: Fix char dump header being incomplete when playing webtile builds on console.
08:34:07 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte * r9c8974f24fa7 10/crawl-ref/source/ (command.cc hints.cc libutil.cc libutil.h macro.cc): Fix a bunch of webtiles-in-console message regressions.
08:34:27 <alefury> if you have infinite bombs (there are a few ways this can happen) it becomes tedious, because you just bomb every single wall
08:35:12 <alefury> note that you cant backtrack to upper levels in binding of isaac. also the rooms are laid out as a grid.
08:38:31 <alefury> i think telegraphed dig spots would work much better than secret doors
08:39:17 <alefury> could just be weak spots in stone walls, or two statues next to a wall, etc.
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08:51:02 <alefury> hm, actually this would probably get really annoying, because in crawl you *can* backtrack
08:51:48 <alefury> so using stuff like this randomly would probably be bad
08:52:03 <alefury> it would be okay for most secret doors in branch endings, though
08:52:28 <alefury> just turn them into rock walls :)
08:57:23 * Grunt wonders what conversation he just wandered into.
09:06:04 <alefury> http://s-z.org/crawl-dev
09:06:33 <alefury> (wensley is so awesome)
09:06:47 <alefury> ( |amethyst too)
09:17:19 <alefury> also, its more of a monologue
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10:30:13 <Cheibriados> Rods missing images? (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5818) by XuaXua
10:30:39 <ChrisOelmueller> 1learn add worstmantis
10:36:15 <alefury> that one is pretty horrible, yeah :(
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10:56:17 <CIA-50> 03galehar * rd0086cda77e0 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Fix a compiler warning.
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11:14:39 <|amethyst> eh, it's an actual bug, and sure enough, rods are missing images
11:14:46 <|amethyst> not just in XuaXua's save
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11:17:28 <|amethyst> not sure why though
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11:20:51 <edlothiol> there's code missing in tileidx_known_base_item for them
11:21:00 <|amethyst> oh
11:21:22 <|amethyst> I was wondering "wait, where is the base wand/staff/etc being drawn?"
11:21:28 <|amethyst> now I know
11:21:28 <edlothiol> I'm not sure how item descriptions for rods work at the moment (after the split) though, since there's no value for rods in item_description_type
11:22:46 <edlothiol> where by item descriptions I mean the random adjectives, i.e. "a smoking rod"
11:22:59 <edlothiol> since it chooses the base tile based on that
11:23:08 <|amethyst> it's supposed to be like books I think
11:23:57 <|amethyst> but there's no NDSC_ROD_* either
11:24:24 <edlothiol> seems it just uses the description from staves
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11:24:57 * Grunt looks around for the buggily smoking rod.
11:25:00 <kilobyte> beh, I wonder which bastard made the iron shot/lightning bolt/fireball rod of destruction use a lightning tile
11:26:04 <|amethyst> re: the removal of smiting, would a rod of airstrike be reasonable?
11:26:55 <|amethyst> (not instead of rod of lightning, of course)
11:27:27 <evilmike> it's better if rods have unique spells
11:27:27 <Henzell> evilmike: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
11:28:08 <evilmike> I think the best is rods that have one spell, and that spell is rod-only (maybe this could be done for summon swarm and bolt of inacc)
11:33:29 <Eronarn> summon swarm is really boring
11:33:32 <Eronarn> bolt of inacc rules though
11:35:07 <edlothiol> arg
11:35:20 <edlothiol> fixing the rod tile thing correctly won't be easy, I think :(
11:35:58 <edlothiol> the whole tileidx_known_base_item thing is pretty bad
11:36:21 <kilobyte> I see: there's a hack where asking for a staff/rod type returns the actual image if the rod is unided, or just the type tag is it's known
11:36:52 <kilobyte> and then later, a type tag gets the base image added, same as if it was unided in the first place
11:37:15 <edlothiol> exactly, and the item itself isn't available anymore then
11:37:49 <kilobyte> could be done the spellbook way then
11:37:57 <kilobyte> (whatever it is)
11:39:32 <edlothiol> books don't have icons they have to overlay, they just directly return the book tile in tileidx_item
11:39:45 <edlothiol> composing the images in rltiles could work, I think rltiles can do that?
11:44:01 <edlothiol> oh wait, no
11:44:08 <edlothiol> that's stupid, of course
11:44:18 <edlothiol> and doesn't help at all
11:46:31 <edlothiol> I have to go, I'll think about this later
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11:51:20 <|amethyst> edlothiol:  I'll assign it to you on mantis
11:51:39 <|amethyst> unless kilobyte is going to do it
11:52:08 <|amethyst> I guess I'll just put it at 'confirmed' for now
12:11:00 <evilmike> random interface suggestion: if you're poison level is low enough that you regen hp faster than you lose it, "Pois" should appear in grey
12:11:10 <evilmike> also, if you're a deep dwarf and don't have enough poison to lose HP
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13:18:21 <Cheibriados> Leda Liquefaction screwed up Snake Walls (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5819) by XuaXua
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13:53:52 <Cheibriados> Time did not pass in The Vaults (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5820) by XuaXua
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14:20:46 <evilmike> i suddenly have arrows on autopickup. i am not carrying a launcher, and do not have them selected in the menu
14:20:56 <evilmike> is this bug reported?
14:21:14 <evilmike> oh, wait, i'm just stupid (have sticks to snakes memorized). Never mind
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15:46:32 <Grunt> evilmike, if you have any more suggestions re my vault submissions, let me know - particularly the Hell stairs, as it feels like it would be a waste to upload a new version that's just a name change for those ice statues.
15:47:07 <Grunt> (... and then you can wait to do Hell until those stair vaults are actually in <_<)
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16:03:20 <BlastHardcheese> fr abyssal stair
16:07:47 <evilmike> Grunt: I'm doing hell right now :P
16:08:12 <Grunt> evilmike, I made that comment when you were just starting :p
16:08:17 <evilmike> Grunt: I think the ice statues should be renamed, but I don't have any good ideas
16:08:26 <Grunt> "chilling statue"
16:08:29 <evilmike> good enough
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16:08:50 <Grunt> What I meant was, it'd be a waste for that to be the only change, and then need to make more changes later.
16:09:17 <Zannick> blizzard statue
16:09:32 <Grunt> If it were a blizzard statue, it would have to have Ice Storm >_>
16:09:38 <Zannick> and not Blizzard statue
16:09:48 <evilmike> Grunt: alright, well, one suggestion I have is to make these minivaults or floating vaults
16:10:06 <evilmike> I don't think stair vaults should be docked to the edge of the level, because that may encourage players to search the edges rather than the middle
16:10:22 <Grunt> That would make sense.
16:10:58 <Grunt> (You don't need to comb through these right now if you're busy working through Hell yourself. >_>)
16:13:01 <evilmike> it looks like grunt_dis_stairs_iron_hall places a ton of iron golems
16:13:12 <evilmike> every one of those G's has a 50% chance of being an iron golem, right?
16:13:15 <Grunt> I've wondered if 50% is too high a ratio.
16:13:20 <evilmike> yeah I think it is
16:13:27 <Grunt> I was thinking of reducing it to 1 in 3 at the most.
16:13:35 <evilmike> with that many statues, you should lower it... iron golems aren't fun in gigantic numbers
16:13:36 <Grunt> Probably closer to 1 in 4.
16:13:45 <evilmike> something like that would be better, yeah
16:15:30 <evilmike> neqoxecs and chaos spawns don't strike me as dis enemies
16:15:56 <Grunt> I really struggled to think of something more appropriate to put in that spot.
16:17:56 <evilmike> iron/quicksilver dragons both fit the "metal" theme of dis
16:18:03 <evilmike> and iron trolls too
16:20:52 <evilmike> In callback.grunt_gauntlet_trap_activate, I think you should check for if the trap wall is blocked
16:21:22 <evilmike> I forget what happens if you try to place a wall on top of a monster/player (you might get a monster inside a wall)
16:22:46 <evilmike> also, I think the way the trap works should be changed somehow... a spoiled player could blink past the "trap floor"
16:23:09 <evilmike> oh never mind, I see the no_ctele_into
16:23:16 <Grunt> Yes, I did think of that one.
16:23:17 <Grunt> :D
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16:26:17 <vivec> hi crawl dudes
16:26:46 <vivec> marvinpa are you around
16:26:47 <evilmike> Grunt: unfortunately, controlled blink is still possible :(
16:26:51 <Grunt> >:|
16:27:44 <evilmike> maybe you could add thick smoke to impede that
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16:28:07 <vivec> I still dont understand why my local tiles crawl wont autoexplore to corpses worshipping a blood god, I was talking about this a few days ago but I just got my wisdom teeth out and now im stuck in bed playing crawl
16:28:14 <evilmike> and perhaps make the trap room a bit bigger, so there's a longer distance for the player to cover
16:28:27 <evilmike> oh, this is tartarus... use gloom clouds, not smoke
16:30:53 <vivec> anyone have any idea about this corpse issue
16:32:20 <Zannick> maybe related to https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5817 ?
16:32:41 <vivec> this may possibly be it
16:32:52 <vivec> ill test a little
16:33:29 <|amethyst> vivec_:  it's almost certainly related, because those two cases are handled at the same spot in the code
16:33:45 <vivec> well, it's not stopping at single corpses either
16:34:50 <|amethyst> stopping at single sacrifeacible items and piles are handled at the same point of the code
16:34:55 <vivec> somethings definitely weird with both stacks and individual corpses
16:35:03 <|amethyst> see:
16:35:05 <|amethyst> %git f20ff8e
16:35:08 <Cheibriados> galehar * rf20ff8e91eea: Autoexplore visit items that can be sacrificed. (9 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 3-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/f20ff8e91eea
16:36:39 <vivec> should I download a different version or what
16:37:30 <Zannick> that if (!verified) seems highly suspicious to me
16:37:31 <galehar> I have experienced it too, but I can't reproduce it reliably :(
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16:38:03 <vivec> maybe one of the more familiar coders could take a look at it and see if it can produce any strange behaviour
16:38:03 <|amethyst> galehar:  what was the intent of that if (!verified) ?
16:38:13 <Zannick> because if i'm reading this code right
16:38:20 <Zannick> verified = true for an empty stack
16:38:31 <Zannick> then it gets items and verified may change
16:38:38 <galehar> well, I added it, because otherwise it kept coming back to the same corpse
16:38:45 <galehar> but that's probably the wrong fix
16:39:08 <Zannick> hm
16:39:58 <Zannick> maybe the corpses are failing are_items_same
16:40:26 <Zannick> which would keep flipping verified back to false
16:40:35 <vivec> let me see if the exploring to corpses works on webtiles
16:41:01 <vivec> is this autoexplore to sacrificiable stuff in .10?
16:41:18 <|amethyst> it is not
16:41:21 <galehar> the are_items_same check is after the stack/corpse code (which has a return)
16:41:42 <|amethyst> so webtiles on CDO wouldn't have the problem
16:41:43 <Zannick> galehar: right, but items.empty() is false if you remember the stash has a corpse
16:42:41 <Zannick> anyway, i'm going home then i'll fool around with it if no one's found it for sure
16:43:08 <galehar> ok
16:43:59 <vivec> does anyone know what version adds it and then changes it so I can test each?
16:44:13 <|amethyst> %git f20ff8e
16:44:13 <Cheibriados> galehar * rf20ff8e91eea: Autoexplore visit items that can be sacrificed. (9 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 3-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/f20ff8e91eea
16:44:26 <galehar> vivec: what do you want to test?
16:44:52 <vivec> well, my game isn't autoexploring to single corpses, nor is it visiting piles of corpses.. at times
16:45:08 <galehar> yes, we're aware of the bug
16:45:28 <galehar> flipping verified back to false
16:45:28 <galehar> 23:41 < vivec> let me see if the exploring to corpses works on webtiles
16:45:28 <galehar> 23:41 < vivec> is this autoexplore to sacrificiable stuff in .10?
16:45:28 <galehar> 23:41 <+|amethyst> it is not
16:45:28 <galehar> 23:41 <@galehar> the are_items_same check is after the stack/corpse code (which
16:45:31 <galehar> has a return)
16:45:34 <galehar> 23:42 <+|amethyst> so webtiles on CDO wouldn't have the problem
16:45:36 <galehar> 23:42 < Zannick> galehar: right, but items.empty() is false if you remember the
16:45:58 <galehar> oups, sorry
16:46:12 <galehar> 0.11-a0-2260-gf20ff8e introduced the bug
16:46:17 <vivec> well, it should be atleast going to single corpses shouldn't it?
16:51:15 <galehar> yes, except when it's buggy
16:52:07 <galehar> seems like Stash::items got cleared for some reason
16:55:55 <vivec> what causes it to bug?
16:57:55 <galehar> vivec: I'm confused, what are you asking about? We gave you the commit and the version which introduced the bug. Do you want to help fix the code?
16:58:34 <vivec> no, I'm trying to understand why some people experience the bug and others do not
16:58:58 <galehar> oh, I have no idea
16:59:01 <|amethyst> I haven't been able to reproduce it with stacks or corpses
16:59:18 <|amethyst> galehar:  you said you encountered it sometimes but not always?
16:59:53 <galehar> but I think we may fix it anyway by removing the !verified check
17:00:04 <|amethyst> that will cause revisits I think
17:00:13 <|amethyst> because of the way a single-item pile is cleared
17:00:20 * Grunt notes vaguely to evilmike that some tweaks have been made.
17:00:31 <galehar> I'm wondering what's the point of clearing items when !_grid_has_perceived_multiple_items
17:00:43 <|amethyst> maybe to replace a single item that has changed?
17:01:13 <galehar> that's what it does anyway just after
17:02:54 <Cheibriados> New branch created: lighting-rod (5 commits)
17:02:57 <galehar> seems to work fine without
17:02:57 <|amethyst> haha
17:02:57 <|amethyst> that line has been there since
17:02:57 <|amethyst> (with some changes of course)
17:02:57 <|amethyst> %git d5e5340
17:02:58 <Cheibriados> dshaligram * rd5e5340c3926: Integrated travel patch as of 20060727 (6 years ago, 106 files, 20221+ 2297-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/d5e5340c3926
17:03:25 <evilmike> _There is a gateway back into the Dungeon here.
17:03:25 <evilmike> Thank you for visiting Hell. Please come again soon.
17:03:25 <evilmike> You go up through the gate. Welcome back to the Iron City of Dis!
17:03:32 <evilmike> (and I'm on Dis:7 somehow)
17:03:33 <|amethyst> then it was 'if (item.link == NON_ITEM) items.clear();'
17:03:47 <|amethyst> ohh
17:03:57 <BlastHardcheese> it's hell, you were expecting to be able to escape? :p
17:04:08 <|amethyst> 20:59:21 <+kilobyte> |amethyst: sorry for the Abyss/Hell exit bug :(  I tested these cases (including a cool bug that  made you return to Tartarus/etc), then didn't retest after handling Labs :/
17:04:16 <evilmike> ah
17:04:17 <|amethyst> I guess I reintroduced that one, let me test
17:04:32 <evilmike> This is Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.11-a0-2388-g9c8974f
17:04:34 <kilobyte> |amethyst: <3
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17:05:58 <evilmike> right, well, I'm stuck in hell. I guess I'll wait for cao to update :P
17:05:59 <galehar> |amethyst: the change from (item.link == NON_ITEM) to _grid_has_perceived_multiple_items was because of old mimics. I think we can go back to the old check to clear lost items and fix the bug
17:06:13 <CIA-50> 03kilobyte 07lighting-rod * r607b66ae619e 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: lightning rod: make tiles show _something_ for the effect.
17:07:56 <|amethyst> galehar:  the old check would do the same though---item.link == NON_ITEM means there's one item there, right?
17:08:15 <|amethyst> I mean, ignoring cases where your knowledge is different from reality
17:08:25 <galehar> hmm, yeah of course, I misread
17:08:51 <galehar> ok, then I'll just remove it since it seems to be pointless and undocumented
17:10:14 <|amethyst> galehar:  make sure to test what happens when an item drops on a spot that once had another item on it
17:10:50 <|amethyst> galehar:  also the case where that happens offscreen (so you never saw the spot without an item), but that's kind of difficult to arrange
17:11:18 <vivec> you guys making any progress?
17:14:18 <galehar> when all items are added on a stack at once (you kill an enemy with a weapon), it is visited. If you kill several enemies on the same spot and they all drop 1 item, the stack isn't visited
17:14:48 <evilmike> hmm. this hell bug can also be used to cheat, by returning to the level I was on. Shame about the slight disadvantage of it making your game stuck
17:15:41 <Grunt> As punishment, all people who try to exploit that shall be cast into evilmike_ambush with Zot:5 monsters and no exit.
17:15:44 <Grunt> <______<
17:16:11 <ChrisOelmueller> exit behind door vault
17:18:05 <|amethyst> fix is on its way
17:18:12 <Cheibriados> Cannot leave the Vestibule of Hell (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5821) by evilmike
17:18:12 <|amethyst> for the hell problem, that is
17:18:29 <|amethyst> I guess it'll be a ticket to D:1
17:19:21 <kilobyte> |amethyst: as a save shim, I'd check on load whether you.hell_branch is a hell branch
17:19:51 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  yeah
17:20:02 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  reset it to D:1 or to D:23 ?
17:20:14 <|amethyst> the latter could be bad for people who went there from Lair
17:20:51 <evilmike> D:1 is fine
17:21:14 <Grunt> You feel extremely disoriented for a moment.
17:21:38 <evilmike> the only problem I can see with D:1 is someone trying to abuse it on the orb run
17:22:17 <kilobyte> Zot:5 with crawl_state.map="evilmike_ambush", of course!
17:22:42 <Grunt> Only if they have the Orb, though.
17:22:42 <evilmike> that vault isn't supposed to happen on branch endings :P
17:22:53 <evilmike> actually, that reminds me, it needs to be updated for Elf
17:22:54 <Grunt> Make it Z:4 and it should be fine.
17:22:57 <kilobyte> evilmike: not doable, as you can't get the Orb in a buggy version, and a fixed one won't let you get there
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17:23:01 <evilmike> elf will be 3 levels in 0.11, right?
17:23:30 <kilobyte> can be 3 levels right now if you wish so
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17:23:54 <kilobyte> (it'll automatically expire on branching of 0.11 otherwise)
17:24:25 <kilobyte> galehar: are you done with that item stack bug?
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17:25:27 <galehar> I've got an improvement, but it's still not quite right
17:25:42 <kilobyte> ok, not distracting you then
17:25:55 <galehar> if you add an item to an identical one, it won't be visited
17:26:39 <galehar> I'm not sure where to go from there. I think I'll commit that for now
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17:27:29 <vivec> galehar do you think your fix will solve the issue of not visiting single corpses as well, or only related to stacks
17:28:03 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r3dd56c22341e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/evilmike_ambush.des: Restrict evilmike_ambush to Elf:1-2.
17:28:14 <galehar> vivec I think it fix most of the problems and leaves a tinier one. And also I think better code
17:28:22 <vivec> what's the tinier problem
17:28:44 <galehar> 00:26 <@galehar> if you add an item to an identical one, it won't be visited
17:29:13 <vivec> so dropping a war axe on a war axe? or what
17:29:29 <galehar> or a jackal corpse on another
17:29:51 <vivec> and this only happens if you drop the item on the identical one?
17:30:06 <galehar> yeah
17:30:13 <vivec> hm, seems like less of an issue
17:30:20 <galehar> i know
17:31:01 <vivec> ill download and test whenever you upload it
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17:34:04 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * rd0ec4fc72837 10/crawl-ref/source/stairs.cc: Don't set hell return level from inside hell.
17:34:06 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * rc53ab933a4b5 10/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc: Unloop hell for #5821 sufferers.
17:34:21 <ChrisOelmueller> fr unloop hell branch
17:34:29 <galehar> i wonder: maybe verified could be reset by move_item_to_grid
17:34:59 <|amethyst> hm... mightn't that give away information out of sight?
17:36:02 <Zannick> are out of sight stashes accessible through lua?
17:36:25 <galehar> Zannick: they are accessible with ^F
17:36:38 <Zannick> ah
17:36:59 <galehar> |amethyst: good point. You would see stash disappear if an item drops on one
17:38:32 <galehar> the proper fix would then be to compare the stack size, but why does it drop items from it???
17:39:04 <|amethyst> !learn add inception https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5821
17:39:05 <Henzell> inception[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5821
17:39:24 <Zannick> oh, i see why it's resetting
17:39:38 <Zannick> duh.
17:40:04 <Zannick> hm.
17:40:05 <CIA-50> 03galehar * r2048c011fb28 10/crawl-ref/source/stash.cc: Mostly fix autopickup problems.
17:40:31 <evilmike> is this bug important enough to ask for cao to be updated, or should I just be patient
17:40:49 <Grunt> evilmike, you could look through vaults some more in the meantime <_< >_>
17:41:11 * Grunt flees in terror.
17:41:13 <evilmike> Grunt: fine, fine
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17:41:24 <Grunt> (I'm only slightly serious, for the record.)
17:42:58 <Zannick> okay, galehar did what i was thinking of
17:43:25 <Zannick> let me see if there's a way to resolve the identical problem
17:43:52 <Grunt> !lg * ckiller=~pandemonium lord s=killer
17:43:56 <Grunt> ...
17:43:56 <Sequell> 190 games for * (ckiller=~pandemonium lord): Joet, Psunoag, Bemneme, Froag, Teuxeqor, Giejisma, Faps the pandemonium lord, Coxkyf Noco, Phihulasm, Xedoivvy, Iczium, Hegor, Utavidal, Sotzoyq the pandemonium lord, Creull the pandemonium lord, Ohoir the pandemonium lord, Twihuuru the pandemonium lord, Gruycum, Vufesu, Ilin, Buejupot, Falo, Mnem, Dexash the pandemonium lord, Moitof, Pneorhog the pande...
17:44:02 <Grunt> I meant to do that over in ##crawl, not here, sorry.
17:44:14 * Grunt hangs his head in shame.
17:44:16 <evilmike> do it in a private message, you'll get a much longer list
17:44:16 <Zannick> does the player remember how many items were in the stash?
17:44:46 <galehar> Zannick: if the stack has been visited, in theory yes
17:45:20 <Zannick> hm. and can they see how many items are in it now?
17:45:26 <galehar> I think we need to compare stack sizes
17:45:38 <galehar> but I'm done for tonight
17:45:39 <Zannick> i guess that would reduce the problem to "one item was removed and an identical one was added to the top"
17:46:13 <galehar> well, it that case, the stash ends up unchanged, so it's not really a problem :)
17:46:37 <Zannick> i mean, eg. a corpse was removed from under a weapon, and another weapon added
17:47:09 <galehar> well, the current stash tracker seems to be able to make mistake too with some weird cases
17:47:36 <Zannick> as far as bugs go, this is a really minor one, so i'm not going to worry too heavily
17:48:02 <galehar> maybe we can simplify a bit and just compare top item and is_size>1
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17:55:10 <Zannick> yeah, the player isn't told what the size of the stack is, just whether it's 1 or > 1
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18:09:33 <|amethyst> Napkin, rax: c53ab933 (and the commit just before that) fixes a pretty serious bug in trunk, leaving players who visit a hell sub-branch unable to leave hell
18:09:54 <|amethyst> Napkin, rax:  It's not critical to push a fix, but it would be nice
18:10:17 <kilobyte> |amethyst: it's not on CDO, as far as I know
18:10:48 <|amethyst> ?V says  0.11-a0-2384-g00e6c84
18:11:05 <|amethyst> the bug was introduced in 0.11-a0-2383-g4f27c86
18:11:24 <kilobyte> triggering a rebuild...
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18:13:54 <|amethyst> btw, just noticed my fix does assume Vestibule is only one level
18:14:18 <|amethyst> well, actually, I guess only if it uses ENTER_HELL portals
18:14:41 <|amethyst> I check !player_in_hell() but that's true if they're taking a portal from vestibule to vestibule
18:14:41 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2393-g2048c01 (33)
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18:21:57 <alefury> so many bugs :(
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18:38:53 <Grunt> alefury, does that bug you?
18:43:24 <alefury> yes :(
18:44:10 <alefury> hm, just 14 threads in game design discussion to catch up on!
18:44:32 <alefury> maybe tomorrow
18:54:33 <HangedMan> backlogs sound worse then bugs, unless they're backlogs of bugs
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18:54:40 <rax> |amethyst: triggering a build now
18:54:55 <|amethyst> rax:  thanks
18:57:05 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * rb9bb74736bba 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/ (altar.des overflow.des): Five altar vaults. (nagdon)
18:57:05 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * re7e8c005dfcf 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Two nature-themed minivaults. (nagdon)
18:59:19 <evilmike> Grunt: I'm going to remove the mimic from grunt_entry_hellfire. That gimmick is already used, and I think your vault is fine if it's "only" a bunch of helpless innocents burning to death
19:00:26 <Grunt> Aw.  Okay.
19:00:26 <Grunt> Maybe put a statue in the centre or something so that space isn't conspicuously empty.
19:00:42 <Wensley> helpless innocent mimic
19:01:00 <evilmike> alright, I'll put a statue there
19:01:02 <Wensley> the helpless helpless innocent mimic bites you! you die...
19:01:10 <evilmike> also gave the glass walls a red tile, for an extra dash of evilness
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19:01:39 <Grunt> Very nice.
19:03:05 <|amethyst> err
19:04:04 <|amethyst> one of those spellbooks has numspells:4 but five spells
19:04:13 <|amethyst> doesn't seem to break anything (it has five)
19:04:37 <Grunt> |amethyst, what are you looking at?
19:04:45 <|amethyst> introduction_to_nature_1
19:04:48 <|amethyst> not one of yours
19:04:51 * Grunt goes to look.
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19:05:11 <Grunt> I know it's not one of mine; I haven't placed any spellbooks in any of mine :)
19:05:24 <evilmike> oh, good catch
19:05:25 <HangedMan> grunt the troggite
19:05:35 <|amethyst> evilmike:  can't just remove it, though, or it will be overfull
19:06:07 <|amethyst> evilmike:  numspells:1  seems to work currently if you don't want to have to keep it in sync
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19:06:28 <|amethyst> evilmike:  (you get the larger of numspells and the number of spells in the list)
19:07:04 <evilmike> I was thinking of just changing it to numspells:5
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19:08:20 <|amethyst> yeah, that way it doesn't depend on undocument behaviour of numspells
19:08:54 <|amethyst> s/ment/mented/
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19:10:04 <|amethyst> evilmike:  should the trog vault ident:type the anti-magic weapons?
19:11:03 <|amethyst> evilmike:  they're not guaranteed, but fairly likely, and even more likely given that the item is runed
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19:11:17 <evilmike> hmm, yeah I forgot about the change to runed/glowing
19:24:03 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * rad8e809f1185 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Fix the randbook in introduction_to_nature.
19:24:04 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r0114f26a0b15 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/overflow.des: Fix trog_eyes_of_draining.
19:24:04 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r5642b6f1440c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/entry/twisted.des: A fiery entry vault. (Grunt)
19:25:59 <evilmike> I added ident:type to those, but it doesn't seem to be working. I'm not sure why
19:26:12 <evilmike> "halberd ego:anti-magic ident:type" works fine if I use wizmode &%
19:26:20 <evilmike> but when given to a monster in that vault it isn't identified
19:27:06 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2395-ge7e8c00 (33)
19:28:02 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r60110cd460b0 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/zot.des: A new orb subvault. (Grunt)
19:28:16 <evilmike> Grunt: sorry about the timing there :P
19:28:26 <Grunt> evilmike, I can wait until tomorrow morning <_<
19:28:49 <Zannick> the build isn't that fast
19:29:27 <evilmike> it would be nice if cao was a supercomputer though
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19:44:02 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r259c76d2dd0f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/spider.des: Two new Spider endings. (Grunt)
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20:24:03 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r46281570b1f5 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/hells.des: Some stair vaults for the Hells. (Grunt)
20:24:03 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * rf18100d84d3e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Description for chilling statue. (Grunt)
20:27:21 <Grunt> evilmike, thanks!
20:35:19 <evilmike> Grunt: no problem. I was going to go through them this weekend anyway, but getting trapped in hell was a convenient excuse to do them now
20:39:04 <Wensley> hell is other people's vaults
20:41:00 * Grunt grins madly.
20:41:16 <Grunt> I'm looking forward to people encountering those.
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20:43:37 <evilmike> !lg * map~=grunt
20:43:37 <Sequell> Malformed argument: map~=grunt
20:43:45 <Grunt> !lg * map=~grunt
20:43:47 <Sequell> 1. nubinia the Convoker (L15 TeSu), worshipper of Sif Muna, demolished by an emperor scorpion in Spider:5 (grunt spider rune circles) on 2012-06-07, with 88251 points after 43852 turns and 11:20:33.
20:44:06 <Grunt> (I feel like that death would have happened independent of the ending. >:|)
20:44:17 <evilmike> looking at too much Lua made me type ~=, its not my fault
20:45:54 <evilmike> that ending will get more kills eventually. the boss room is pretty tough
20:46:04 <Grunt> Circles?
20:46:06 <Grunt> Probably.
20:46:17 <Grunt> It seems like most people are intelligent enough to use the corner effectively, though.
20:46:44 <Grunt> I also spotted a nice corruption ninja of it fairly early in its run.
20:46:46 <evilmike> just wait until 0.11 stable :P
20:46:50 <ChrisOelmueller> heh
20:46:52 <evilmike> as everyone knows, webtiles is the best source of splats
20:47:24 <Grunt> I'm probably going to get a lot of ire once people start realising that there's a 3/5 chance that the Spider ending will be one of mine. <_<
20:47:30 <evilmike> yeah, corruption is an awesome ability, there's not much that can stop it
20:48:02 <evilmike> Grunt: all the endings are equal weight right now, but I want to make the final version so two maps are weight:30, the rest weight:10
20:48:08 <evilmike> although one of yours will be 30
20:48:39 <Grunt> 5/9 is not much less than 3/5.
20:48:40 <Grunt> :p
20:49:25 <evilmike> heh
20:53:52 <evilmike> here's a nasty nemelex altar vault idea: two rooms with windows, one has loot and the other an ood monster. one teleporter that randomly sends you to one or the other
20:54:07 <evilmike> there'd probably need to be a message on entering... something about gambling
20:54:27 <ChrisOelmueller> rename the teleporter
20:54:29 <Zannick> Nemelex says, "Care to press your luck?"
20:54:54 <Zannick> do you feel lucky, adventurer?
20:55:03 <Grunt> I take it that taking the teleporter would be optional?
20:55:10 <evilmike> yeah, of course
20:55:16 <Grunt> ...just making sure :)
20:55:41 <evilmike> there's still a problem with the idea though. you could simply wait until you are able to handle the ood enemy
20:55:54 <evilmike> so, it should probably have a timer
20:56:17 <evilmike> ChrisOelmueller: "teleporter" is a different feature from "teleport trap"
20:56:49 <evilmike> load up zig sprint to see a bunch of them
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