00:00:11 <Henzell> nfogravity the Arsonist (L12 DEFE)  (Lab)
00:02:23 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2330-g5584457 (33)
00:04:09 <CIA-50> 03|amethyst * r7e5c7f8e02bf 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/vaults.des: Clarify confusing indentation.
00:04:13 <|amethyst> Zannick:  thanks
00:04:18 <evilmike> oh, yeah I was sloppy with the indentation and paranthesis there, sorry about that
00:06:28 <Zannick> no problem
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00:53:26 <Napkin> gj, violetj :)
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04:57:41 <kilobyte> !tell evilmike foresty vaults, at least ones I've made, are what the Forest branch layouts are supposed to look like (at least in my vision), so they'd be entirely redundant there
04:57:41 <Henzell> kilobyte: OK, I'll let evilmike know.
05:00:06 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2311-g3a36c42
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05:03:10 <Cheibriados> crash on Crypt:5 (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5794) by Grimm
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05:18:23 <Cheibriados> crash on Crypt:5 (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5795) by Grimm
05:23:18 <kilobyte> galehar: about french spacing: the mouseover on https://xkcd.com/1070/
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06:02:24 <CIA-50> 03edlothiol * r72a57bca011c 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/item/weapon/ (7 files): Improved versions of the new morningstar tiles.
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06:35:04 <alefury> can someone please change the [w]ait command for summons to [w]ander?
06:35:08 <alefury> because thats what it actually means
06:35:32 <alefury> making the name of the command fit what it actually does would be super nice!
06:36:44 <alefury> ^^ galehar elliptic kilobyte edlothiol ^^
06:44:43 <Cheibriados> Rename "Wait here" ally command to "Wander" (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5796) by nooodl
06:49:39 <Eronarn> or we could make it make things actually wait that would be fine too
06:49:59 <alefury> wander is so much more useful
06:50:05 <kilobyte> -1 to expanding ally control
06:51:11 <alefury> kilobyte: but youre fine with renaming things so you can actually infer what the command does from the name, right?
06:51:53 <Eronarn> the reason micromanagfing allies ins annyoign in crawl is because of a lack of commands, not an abundance of them
06:51:56 <kilobyte> I'd remove t and ^T outright; there are minor issues about tossing a good weapon somewhere, waking up unseen orcs, walking back and only then letting them convert.
06:52:04 <alefury> and even more appropriate name would be attack at will, but a is taken and wander is what the summons do if there are no enemies closeby
06:52:26 <kilobyte> alefury: in this case, yeah... if we can't rework the whole command, such a rename is good
06:52:58 <alefury> i dont think it should be reworked
06:53:03 <alefury> its a good command
06:53:34 <alefury> much better than ta
06:53:55 <alefury> that one is just a newbie trap
06:54:40 <ChrisOelmueller> kilobyte: thanks for 0f24e78!
06:56:30 <kilobyte> ChrisOelmueller: if you can notice something else wrong about the cloak, please yell
06:57:05 <ChrisOelmueller> game's won already but i will if it comes up again :)
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08:08:19 <CIA-50> 03edlothiol * r03da7598349c 10/crawl-ref/CREDITS.txt: Add dd to the credits.
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09:24:03 <kilobyte> edlothiol: if I understood this right, he said he doesn't want to have his real name there
09:24:53 <alefury> "yeah that's fine" sounds like hes okay with it
09:26:05 <alefury> it is forever in the repository now anyway, right? and anyone who would want to associate his real name with his nickname would have to dig out the commit anyway
09:27:34 <kilobyte> I can force-push a deletion; this causes some problems, but they'd be minor if done right now, pretty damn bad anytime later
09:28:41 <alefury> i think hes fine with being in the credits
09:28:51 <alefury> he said so
09:29:51 <alefury> he just doesnt want dd and his name to show up next to each other when you google for either
09:34:55 <kilobyte> like, say, commit 03da7598349c
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09:42:47 <alefury> hm, yeah, the commit message and diff showing up in a search would not be great
09:44:23 <alefury> might be better to delete it :/
09:45:27 <|amethyst> well, we don't know what the private email said
09:47:44 <|amethyst> actually
09:47:54 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5744
09:48:07 <|amethyst> dd explicitly said it's okay, even though they are publicly available
09:49:43 <ghallberg> |amethyst: But the commit will allow just that
09:50:24 <ghallberg> His name appearing in the list isn't a problem but the commit showing "dd" and the diff next too ti showing <real name> is a problem.
09:50:31 <ghallberg> If I understand that coment :)
09:50:46 <|amethyst> aha
09:52:16 <|amethyst> I took it as "I don't want my name to appear on a post from my account"
09:52:41 <|amethyst> e.g. to prevent automated harvesting, not necessarily to prevent humans from knowing
09:53:05 <Cheibriados> Entry vaults should not force you to d:2 (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5797) by absolutego
09:57:24 <rast> have any recent changes been made to nemelex gifting?
09:57:29 <rast> specifically in sprint?
09:57:51 <rast> because i notice that i no longer get about 20+ decks from saccing all the weapons and ammo in the starting room.. its more like 10 decks
09:58:20 <rast> it feels like the gift value of big ammo stacks has gone down
09:58:53 <|amethyst> the ammo is +0 now rather than +5
09:58:57 <|amethyst> so it's cheaper
10:00:32 <|amethyst> (even after missile ench removal, the stuff in zigsprint was still being created as +5, which didn't affect combat, but did affect stacking and presumably shop value)
10:01:07 <|amethyst> fixed by
10:01:10 <|amethyst> %git 0e5356b
10:01:11 <Cheibriados> |amethyst * r0e5356b2fff7: Don't enchant zigsprint starting ammo. (3 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/0e5356b2fff7
10:02:48 <alefury> well, one could just ask
10:03:01 <alefury> in the mantis issue
10:03:22 <alefury> dd might very well get an email telling him about the new note and respond quickly
10:08:02 <|amethyst> added
10:44:37 <ChrisOelmueller> cao in trouble again?
10:44:44 <ChrisOelmueller> cf. ##crawl
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10:45:47 <|amethyst> violetj:  any chance you can do your magic again?  And can you update 0.10 on CAO or does rax have to do that?
10:46:14 <|amethyst> violetj:  seem to be more stuck games on CAO
10:48:10 <rax> yo
10:48:10 <Henzell> rax: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them.
10:48:12 <rax> I've been on vacation
10:48:13 <rax> oh god
10:48:33 <Henzell> AnalyticBranch the Fighter (L9 CeHu)  (D:9)
10:48:33 <Henzell> Vesto the Protected (L12 MiFi)  (Spider)
10:48:33 <Henzell> Nosferax the Ruffian (L7 DsAM)  (D:6)
10:48:42 <rax> okay so I am still trying to catch up for work
10:48:46 <rax> but I should be able to update 0.10
10:49:40 <|amethyst> rax:  cool; it happened twice in the past day or so (violetj fixed it the first time), but not before that so there's probably not a huge rush on updating
10:51:56 <rax> okay going to try to update the 0.10 branch
10:52:05 <violetj> I can rescue the stalled proceses if you haven't yet rax
10:52:52 <edlothiol> kilobyte, |amethyst: if I hadn't mentioned his username in the commit, it would still be pretty clear that the name that was added to the credits belongs to the person who made the tiles that were added just before that, so I didn't bother
10:52:59 <rax> oh goddamnit there are changes to the apphdr and makefile files?
10:53:27 <rax> I think I did but if you could check my work violetj that would be awesome
10:53:33 <rax> I wish so hard this wasn't git
10:53:58 <|amethyst> you have local changes to those I guess?
10:54:01 <violetj> Looks like nobody is write-locking the milestones file at all now.
10:54:10 <rax> |amethyst: yes
10:54:14 <alefury> edlothiol: i think the only way it would be a problem is if both names show up when you google for one of them
10:54:19 <violetj> So I guess it should be ok?
10:54:24 <rax> I feel like I have something about how to do  this in my notes but I can't find it
10:55:01 <|amethyst> is it committed locally?
10:55:06 <ChrisOelmueller> probably involves stash and/or rebase, depending on how your changes were applied
10:55:15 <kilobyte> violetj: it might even be a completely different problem
10:55:22 <violetj> It's true
10:55:34 <rax> ah, stash save/pop
10:55:43 <rax> looks like it is working, trying a build now
10:57:05 <violetj> |amethyst: Are the hung games hung on milestones again?
10:57:46 <|amethyst> can't tell, since the person who reported it on ##crawl has left
10:58:19 <|amethyst> hm, or would the ttyrec work
11:00:31 <|amethyst> Nosferax crashed upon killing Blork
11:00:38 <|amethyst> !lm Nosferax -2
11:00:39 <Sequell> 3743. [2012-06-15] Nosferax the Ruffian (L6 DsAM) entered an Ossuary on turn 4967. (D:5)
11:00:43 <|amethyst> and did not get a milestone
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11:02:43 <|amethyst> AnalyticBranch likewise
11:03:21 <|amethyst> And Vesto had just tried to enter Spider
11:03:27 <|amethyst> so, yes, looks like milestones
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11:24:35 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2333-g03da759 (33)
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11:49:58 <Cheibriados> Autopickup duplicate amulet (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5798) by nubinia
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12:34:23 <rax> CAO updated to 10.3, it looks okay
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14:16:46 <rast> [10:59:00]	|amethyst	the ammo is +0 now rather than +5
14:16:46 <rast> TY sir
14:17:36 <rast> oh, few questions about ammo in trunk:
14:18:10 <rast> is it just a flat-out nerf to ranged? or will there be any damage/speed improvement to compensate for the fact that missiles are +0 now instead of up to +7 or so in endgame?
14:18:29 <rast> not to mention the +4 or so you'd often get from god gifts
14:18:45 <rast> and, has mulch formula been changed so that +0 mulches less?
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14:29:33 <ChrisOelmueller> missiles are not +0.
14:31:52 <rast> oh?
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14:54:44 <|amethyst> rast:  they mulch as +3 used to (half as often as +0 did); and IIRC get accurace/damage as +0 to +3 depending on skill
14:55:04 <rast> ah cool
14:55:43 <rast> so its a bit of a nerf, since +3 is a lot less than +7
14:56:25 <rast> good change overall though
15:04:48 <|amethyst> a buff to early game though
15:06:17 <rast> not really? because early game you don't have that much bows skill
15:06:41 <rast> how much skill do you need to get +1?
15:07:27 <rast> because unless it's like Bows 5.0 or so, it's at the point where's yo're finding randomly enchanted +1 and better arrows anyway
15:12:34 <elliptic> rast: 3.0
15:13:21 <elliptic> rast: also ranged combat will hopefully receive a complete overhaul, the current status of things is just to keep things somewhat reasonable until then
15:16:45 <rast> and +2 is 9.0 and +3 27.0?
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15:21:27 <elliptic> no, +2 is 6.0 and +3 is 9.0
15:22:03 <rast> oh, wow
15:22:16 <rast> thats a very nice early game boost
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16:10:18 <buppy> I'm getting "another game is already in progress" on Webtiles - I guess there's a process that wasn't killed. Could someone help me?
16:17:40 <rax> buppy: you need Napkin most likely
16:18:02 <rax> unless anyone else has CDO access? I don't, unfortunately
16:18:41 <|amethyst> kilobyte has some access, but I don't think he has root
16:18:49 <|amethyst> so probably Napkin
16:19:39 <buppy> Alright, well the account is 'pubby' and it's on 0.10
16:21:50 <|amethyst> !tell Napkin  pubby ('buppy' on IRC) appears to have a stuck webtiles process
16:21:51 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let Napkin know.
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16:40:06 <Napkin> try now, buppy
16:40:07 <Henzell> Napkin: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them.
16:40:44 <buppy> Napkin: nope, still can't get in
16:43:33 <Napkin> character name "puppy", right?
16:44:04 <Napkin> and you're getting the same message? "another game is already in progress"
16:44:26 <buppy> It's 'pubby', not 'puppy'. And yeah, it's the same message.
16:45:37 <Napkin> there are two 0.9 games and one 0.10 games by that name
16:46:34 <buppy> Before it happened I accidentally clicked 0.9 instead of 0.10 and then quickly went back, that's how it got messed up
16:46:46 <Napkin> try now
16:47:11 <buppy> It works! Thanks.
16:47:19 <Napkin> good :)
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17:07:25 <galehar> hey folks
17:07:41 <|amethyst> hello
17:07:55 <galehar> I'm back from barcelona
17:08:02 <ChrisOelmueller> don't greet back, it might be a mimic
17:08:07 <ChrisOelmueller> (welcome back, galehar ;o)
17:08:24 * galehar was a mimic!
17:09:09 <galehar> did I miss any action?
17:12:27 <Zannick> fr: creature mimics
17:12:30 <Zannick> oh wait...
17:12:39 <|amethyst> Zannick:  shapeshifters?
17:12:47 <Zannick> ;)
17:13:10 <Zannick> oooh, what about the reverse of mimics
17:13:28 <Zannick> the stone giant is a statue!
17:14:12 <evilmike> do you think it would make sense to allow ghosts to cast refrigeration? I figure a ghost with that spell *probably* has some rC, but it's not a guarantee. And without the resist, the ghost will happily kill itself
17:15:01 <galehar> don't ghost have rC from being undead?
17:15:06 <|amethyst> could add a check based on monster HP and rC
17:15:10 <|amethyst> in the tracer
17:15:11 <evilmike> nope, they are one of the few undead that don't have it
17:15:23 <Zannick> ?? ghost[2]
17:15:23 <Henzell> ghost[2/7]: All player ghosts, much like other undead, resist poison, asphyxiation, torment, and negative energy. Unlike player undead, they do not (automatically) resist cold -- the use of "player undead" referring to ghouls, vampires, and mummies.
17:15:24 <evilmike> also, ghosts can cast conjure ball lightning, which can be just as suicidal
17:15:34 <evilmike> and they're known for killing themselves with fire/ice storm already. so many it's not a big deal
17:16:29 <galehar> maybe there can be a check for rC in the spell casting function
17:16:45 <evilmike> that would be reasonable
17:17:00 <evilmike> i'd also special case pan lords not to cast it, since they spawn with hordes of demons
17:17:02 <galehar> could do it for cbl and rElec too
17:17:05 <Zannick> !learn edit ghost[2] s/player undead,/player undead (player ghouls, vampires, and mummies),/
17:17:05 <Henzell> ghost[2/7]: All player ghosts, much like other undead, resist poison, asphyxiation, torment, and negative energy. Unlike player undead (player ghouls, vampires, and mummies), they do not (automatically) resist cold -- the use of "player undead" referring to ghouls, vampires, and mummies.
17:17:25 <Zannick> !learn edit ghost[2] s/ -- .*$/./
17:17:26 <Henzell> ghost[2/7]: All player ghosts, much like other undead, resist poison, asphyxiation, torment, and negative energy. Unlike player undead (player ghouls, vampires, and mummies), they do not (automatically) resist cold.
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17:33:03 <zxvk> i've been getting the "Another game is already in progress using this save!" message for a few days now on CAO after a game crash. is there a way to delete my old game so that i can start another one?
17:33:24 <|amethyst> hm
17:33:41 <|amethyst> your game should have been fixed yesterday, and there was another batch today
17:34:12 <|amethyst> !lm zxvk x=src,cv
17:34:12 <Sequell> 180. [2012-06-18] [src=cao;cv=0.11-a] zxvk the Skirmisher (L6 MiBe) entered the Ecumenical Temple on turn 3065. (D:4)
17:34:27 <|amethyst> that game, or a different one?
17:34:33 <|amethyst> !lm zxvk cv=0.10 x=src
17:34:34 <Sequell> 59. [2012-06-17] [src=cao] zxvk the Protected (L11 MiFi) is cast into the Abyss! (wizard) (D:12)
17:34:36 <zxvk> a different one
17:34:41 <zxvk> on 0.10
17:34:41 <|amethyst> that one?
17:34:54 <zxvk> yeah, it froze as soon as i was cast into the abyss
17:35:01 <|amethyst> !lm zxvk cv=0.10 x=src,v
17:35:01 <Sequell> 59. [2012-06-17] [src=cao;v=0.10.1] zxvk the Protected (L11 MiFi) is cast into the Abyss! (wizard) (D:12)
17:35:05 <|amethyst> hm
17:35:18 <evilmike> hmm, allies with OCR are also happy to freeze you
17:35:18 <|amethyst> and you just tried?
17:35:29 <evilmike> if you're with yred, don't enslave fannar right now...
17:35:31 <|amethyst> evilmike:  there are mechanisms for handling that with beams
17:35:36 <zxvk> i logged on today, and it asked if i wanted to force the old process to terminate. i said yes, and the screen went balack for a few seconds before i got the same "Another game is already in progress using this save!" message
17:36:13 <|amethyst> !lm zxvk cv=0.10 -2
17:36:14 <Sequell> 58. [2012-06-17] zxvk the Protected (L10 MiFi) killed Joseph on turn 11575. (D:12)
17:36:15 <|amethyst> !lm zxvk cv=0.10 -3
17:36:16 <Sequell> 57. [2012-06-17] zxvk the Protected (L9 MiFi) killed Psyche on turn 7992. (D:8)
17:36:16 <|amethyst> !lm zxvk cv=0.10 -4
17:36:17 <Sequell> 56. [2012-06-17] zxvk the Protected (L9 MiFi) became a worshipper of Okawaru on turn 5962. (Temple)
17:36:18 <|amethyst> !lm zxvk cv=0.10 -5
17:36:19 <Sequell> 55. [2012-06-17] zxvk the Protected (L9 MiFi) entered the Ecumenical Temple on turn 5889. (D:6)
17:36:20 <|amethyst> !lm zxvk cv=0.10 -6
17:36:21 <Sequell> 54. [2012-06-17] zxvk the Covered (L7 MiFi) killed Crazy Yiuf on turn 4484. (D:6)
17:36:23 <|amethyst> !lm zxvk cv=0.10 -7
17:36:23 <Sequell> 53. [2012-06-17] zxvk the Covered (L6 MiFi) killed the ghost of ToadkillerDog the Reanimator, an experienced DENe of Kikubaaqudgha on turn 3063. (D:5)
17:36:25 <|amethyst> !lm zxvk cv=0.10 -8
17:36:26 <Sequell> 52. [2012-06-17] zxvk the Covered (L4 MiFi) killed the ghost of Maahes the Grasshopper, a weakling DsWr on turn 1863. (D:3)
17:36:28 <|amethyst> hrm
17:36:50 <|amethyst> rax, violetj:  zxvk seems to still (or again) have "Another game is already in progress"... I think eir game was one of the stuck ones yesterday
17:37:09 <|amethyst> zxvk:  when you do get back in, transfer your save to the latest version
17:37:12 <zxvk> i'm really not that attached to that char. he'd die in the abyss anyway. i'd just like to be able to start a new game
17:37:26 <|amethyst> zxvk:  it should greatly reduce the number of such hangs
17:37:36 <zxvk> oh, ok
17:37:51 <|amethyst> (latest version of 0.10 of course)
17:39:30 <zxvk> it actually got stuck like two or three days ago. was there a big problem yesterday?
17:39:45 <|amethyst> yesterday or maybe it was late Saturday
17:39:56 <|amethyst> and again today
17:40:45 <|amethyst> a bunch of processes were stuck in a deadlock on the milestones file
17:41:00 <|amethyst> 0.10 on CAO has been updated to a version that should avoid the problem most of the time
17:42:09 <|amethyst> you'll have to wait for rax or violetj to show up, as they are the ones who have root access on that machine and can kill the process
17:43:05 <|amethyst> you did test recently to make sure it's still broken, right?
17:47:27 <zxvk> yeah, just tested
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17:56:58 <Napkin> hmm, don't i have root access to cao, too?
17:57:11 <Napkin> 0.10 is stuck, |amethyst?
17:57:28 <|amethyst> I don't think it's stuck in general
17:57:53 <|amethyst> but zxvk's process (which was involved in the stuff yesterday) claims to be from the menu
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17:58:07 <|amethyst> s/from the menu/when trying to start/
18:02:29 <Napkin> needed a -9 kill
18:02:49 <ChrisOelmueller> those are the best anyways :0
18:03:13 * Napkin likes to see the load go down
18:03:43 <Napkin> try again, zxvk
18:03:47 <|amethyst> !lm zxvk cv=0.10 x=src,v
18:03:48 <Sequell> 59. [2012-06-17] [src=cao;v=0.10.1] zxvk the Protected (L11 MiFi) is cast into the Abyss! (wizard) (D:12)
18:04:05 <|amethyst> 22:05:58 < violetj> The lucky winner is zxvk actually I think
18:04:05 <|amethyst> 22:16:08 < Henzell> zxvk the Impaler (L12 MiBe)  (Lab)
18:04:11 <|amethyst> aha
18:04:21 <|amethyst> looks like maybe violetj killed the wrong game of zxvk's
18:04:46 <|amethyst> "lucky winner" presumably being the one that was holding the write lock
18:04:51 <Napkin> was it a lock up, |amethyst?
18:05:10 <|amethyst> yeah, the same deadlock as before
18:05:17 <Napkin> then the reported crashes aren't necessarily the ones causing the deadlocks
18:05:24 <|amethyst> rax has since updated 0.10.3
18:05:37 <Napkin> they were just crashes waiting to write to milestones file
18:05:41 <|amethyst> right
18:05:53 <|amethyst> s/updated/updated to/
18:06:04 <|amethyst> zxvk's was the last killed
18:06:38 <|amethyst> I assume violetj was looking at lsof to see who actually held the lock
18:10:08 <due> yes
18:10:26 <due> I believe zxvk's was "holds lock on entire file"
18:17:02 <zxvk> sorry, i was afk for a while
18:17:10 <zxvk> just tried again, and the same problem
18:17:31 <zxvk> it went through the whole "would you like to terminate the stale processes?" thing
18:17:36 <Napkin> i definitely killed your 0.10 game
18:17:41 <rax> you don't seem to have an 0.10 game running
18:17:43 <Napkin> not the git game
18:18:41 <Napkin> there is a new one though, causing high load
18:19:06 <zxvk> yeah, the same thing again
18:19:32 <Napkin> i didn't get the conversation earlier
18:19:32 <|amethyst> did it show that on the first attempt or did it hang first?
18:19:43 <Napkin> what "same thing"?
18:20:12 <|amethyst> 18:33:03 < zxvk> i've been getting the "Another game is already in progress using this save!" message for a few days  now on CAO after a game crash. is there a way to delete my old game so that i can start another one?
18:20:37 <rax> I can move a save out of the way
18:20:46 <Napkin> killed it, rax
18:20:59 <rax> Maybe the save is just busted? :(
18:21:01 <zxvk> it said there was a crash, at which point i rebooted my putty session, logged in, tried to play, got the "terminate stale processes?" thing, then the "Another game is already in progress using this save!"
18:21:17 <|amethyst> hrm
18:21:23 <Napkin> yeah, dgl can't kill with -9
18:21:32 <Napkin> it's not running as root
18:21:39 <Zannick> not offered a chance to update to the latest version?
18:21:50 <|amethyst> Napkin: you should be able to kill -9 your own processes
18:21:52 <zxvk> i'm going to type up the error message, getting it again
18:21:54 <rax> The update happens automatically
18:22:00 <Napkin> he is playing crawl10.061812.01
18:22:04 <rax> The same save is now bing called with a different binary
18:22:07 <rax> that's today's date
18:22:12 <Zannick> yeah
18:22:14 <Zannick> i see now
18:22:35 <Napkin> *s/he
18:22:45 <rax> zxvk: please stop trying to log in for a second? :)
18:22:54 <zxvk> ASSERT(grd[i][j] < NUM_FEATURES) in 'tags.cc' at line 3490 failed. Writing crash info to /dlgdir/ttyrec/zxvk/crash-zxvk-20120618-232109.txt
18:23:07 <zxvk> rax: sure
18:23:29 <due> O_o
18:23:32 <due> that is an odd crash
18:23:53 <rax> This looks like a bad level to me?
18:24:10 <rax> I can pastebin the error
18:24:19 <|amethyst> http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/zxvk/crash-zxvk-20120618-232109.txt
18:24:31 <zxvk> it happened right when i was banished to the abyss, if that matters
18:24:33 <rax> http://pastebin.com/CFQuwLdP
18:24:40 <rax> oh man those are available, right :D
18:24:54 <due> delete the abyss and force a rebuild?
18:24:54 <|amethyst> hm
18:25:29 * Napkin hides again o/
18:25:36 <rax> bye Napkin :)
18:25:37 <|amethyst> oh, I guess the first crash was somewhere in the middle of level gen?
18:25:48 <Napkin> :)
18:26:09 <rax> Back in the day I could delete level files but I don't know how to do it with the new save format
18:26:38 <Zannick> it's still getting stuck on a lock somewhere...
18:27:05 <due> rax: the binary has a save editor built into it, AFAIK
18:27:10 <due> I can't remember the actual methodology though
18:27:46 <rax> I moved the save aside for now
18:27:55 <|amethyst> crawl -edit-save zxvk.cs rm Abyss   maybe (with the same version of crawl)
18:28:13 <rax> oh hm let me try that
18:28:24 <Napkin> i can never remember the syntax either
18:28:39 <|amethyst> I always have to check crawl -edit-save help
18:28:39 <Napkin> it does accept full path of the .cs noawadays though
18:29:04 <rax> okay ran that
18:29:07 <rax> zxvk: try again please?
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18:29:17 <zxvk> ok
18:29:27 <rax> That is way better than manually munging files if I could remember it :)
18:29:51 <zxvk> can't open save file. permission denied
18:29:55 <ChrisOelmueller> heh
18:30:02 <rax> ...dksjhflksdhflaskdjhflajksdhfas *fixes, hold on*
18:30:38 <rax> forgot to cp -a, sorry
18:30:41 <rax> zxvk: try now? :)
18:30:56 <zxvk> whoa
18:30:58 <zxvk> i'm alive
18:31:12 <Napkin> run!
18:31:12 <zxvk> thanks, guys
18:31:21 <rax> thank you for your patience!
18:31:23 <zxvk> now to promptly die in the abyss
18:31:36 <rax> and thanks for the syntax, |amethyst :)
18:32:22 <zxvk> thanks for the pretty incredible dedication from you guys. i didn't expect this to be such a big problem
18:35:24 <|amethyst> hm, zxvk's first crash didn't involve the lock
18:35:25 <|amethyst> http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/zxvk/crash-zxvk-20120617-015317.txt
18:35:47 <|amethyst> then  http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/zxvk/crash-recursive-zxvk-20120617-015323.txt  was the first involving the lock
18:40:11 <|amethyst> aha
18:40:31 <|amethyst> zxvk:  did you get abyssed from somewhere near the edge of the map?
18:40:48 <|amethyst> if so, that was fixed in:
18:40:51 <|amethyst> %git 200d639
18:40:51 <Cheibriados> kilobyte * r200d639938ba: Fix the banishment area being misshapen if it's cut off by the map edge. (6 weeks ago, 1 file, 60+ 47-) https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/200d639938ba
18:40:56 <zxvk> amethyst: i honestly have no idea
18:43:47 <|amethyst> well, we'll hope that was it and no further work is needed to prevent the original crash
18:43:55 <|amethyst> :)
18:44:01 <|amethyst> rax, due, Napkin: thanks
18:44:34 <|amethyst> and kilobyte for having already fixed the bugs :)
18:44:53 <Napkin> good catch, |amethyst :)
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21:43:47 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r7f1cad36569c 10/crawl-ref/source/ghost.cc: Let ghosts cast Ozocubu's Refrigeration.
21:43:57 <CIA-50> 03evilmike * r1958f978b7ad 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc: Don't let allies refrigerate you.
21:50:57 <Grunt> evilmike, I'm looking forward to the first death-by-ghost-refrigeration <_<
21:56:22 <|amethyst> hm
21:56:52 <|amethyst> I just encountered sigmund trapped inside one of the aquarium serial vaults
21:57:13 <|amethyst> presumably because of the can_overwrite on unique vaults
21:57:30 <|amethyst> http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Neil/morgue-Neil-20120619-025431.txt
21:57:49 <evilmike> uniques don't respect no_monster_gen tags
21:58:18 <evilmike> I think it's because they are placed by vaults, and the vaults have can_overwrite
21:58:27 <|amethyst> yeah
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