00:04:56 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2215-gee7a1cf (33)
00:28:20 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2215-gee7a1cf
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02:29:13 <nonethousand> I just transfered a CDO game to the latest trunk version and my rod of destruction changed its spell list from inacc, magma, cold to lightning, fireball, iron shot
02:30:14 <eeviac_> !log nonethousand
02:30:14 <Sequell> 116. n1000, XL3 MuIE, T:1577: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/n1000/morgue-n1000-20120609-232250.txt
02:30:28 <eeviac_> !dump nonethousand
02:30:29 <Henzell> Dump for n1000 does not exist.
02:31:00 <eeviac_> I was hoping there'd be a log from before the transfer
02:31:04 <eeviac_> or
02:31:14 <eeviac_> hm
02:32:11 <nonethousand> !log n1000
02:32:16 <Sequell> 76. n1000, XL3 MuIE, T:1577: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/n1000/morgue-n1000-20120609-232250.txt
02:32:16 <nonethousand> woops
02:33:00 <nonethousand> in my ^p log you can see the old rod recharge
02:33:45 <eeviac_> well that is weird, too bad evilmike's not online
02:33:50 <eeviac_> he's the one that made the change iirc
02:36:43 <nonethousand> http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/n1000/n1000.txt
02:41:45 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L24 DrCj) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (D:18)
02:44:02 <evilmike> i only changed the colour it has on the floor
02:48:10 <nonethousand> I believe they were already yellow for before the version change that did this so I don't think it was that
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02:48:54 <evilmike> did any of your other items mysteriously change?
02:49:40 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L24 DrCj) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (D:23)
02:49:57 <Ragdoll> this truly is the most apt staff
02:50:18 <nonethousand> yes
02:51:25 <nonethousand> I have two separate stacks of ?remove curse and I don't recall carrying a sabre of flaming or a wand of lightning
02:51:45 <evilmike> the remove curse scrolls were probably converted from detect curse
02:51:54 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L24 DrCj) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (D:23)
02:52:02 <nonethousand> ah ok
02:52:09 <evilmike> these crashes from scarecrow might be related
02:53:32 <nonethousand> in that case the only item change I'm 100% confident happened is the rod
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02:57:11 <evilmike> maybe 00b47bb
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03:11:45 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L25 DrCj) ERROR: range check error (51 / 50) (Pan)
03:12:03 <Ragdoll> it keeps happening
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03:20:00 <evilmike> it's something to do with the recent autopickup changes
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03:38:11 <Cheibriados> Greatswords & Whips (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5753) by dd
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04:09:02 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r2dd1f84e9001 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (4115 files in 97 dirs): Drop the dc- prefix from three tile directory names, for consistency.
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04:29:10 <|amethyst> yeah, 00b47bb looks like it
04:29:22 <|amethyst> since it renumbers all the rods
04:30:53 <|amethyst> it also seems like it would also make rods not randomly generate
04:30:58 <|amethyst> s/also //
04:31:10 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L27 DrCj) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Pan)
04:34:44 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L27 DrCj) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Pan)
04:38:34 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L27 DrCj) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Pan)
04:49:08 <|amethyst> !tell galehar you may have already noticed, but 00b47bb screws up rods from saved games, as well as staff generation
04:49:08 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let galehar know.
04:58:46 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L27 DrCj) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Pan)
05:00:06 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2215-gee7a1cf
05:00:08 <Ragdoll> staff of bugginess sounds like a good feature
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05:07:26 <Ragdoll> Bad item:
05:07:26 <Ragdoll> staff of bugginess
05:07:26 <Ragdoll> item #29:  base: 9; sub: 13; plus: 0; plus2: 0; special: 0
05:07:26 <Ragdoll> quant: 1; colour: 6; ident: 0x00000000; ident_type: 4
05:07:26 <Ragdoll> x: 7; y: 21; link: 27000
05:07:45 <Ragdoll> if that helps.
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05:18:24 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L27 DrCj) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Lair:1)
05:18:34 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L27 DrCj) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Lair:1)
05:18:41 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L27 DrCj) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Lair:1)
05:18:50 <Gretell> Scarecrow (L27 DrCj) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Lair:1)
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06:27:25 <due> have renamed dpeg
06:27:28 <due> is now david floog
06:27:29 <due> FOREVER
06:27:51 <ChrisOelmueller> :)
06:29:16 <ghallberg> dfeg?
06:29:51 * due petitions this
06:32:07 <Thann> |amethyst: I had a statment at the top of _is_option_autopickup that made sure the item.basetype was sane because one time when i went down a level it segfaulted (index over bounds) becasue the base type was 102.
06:33:12 <Thann> has anything similar happened?
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07:23:16 <ddee> hey... is there a list somewhere of which weapons have which racial variants?
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07:47:20 <Thann> the rings are using amulet tiles =/
07:47:31 <Thann> anyone else getting this
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08:03:41 <Patashu> thann: yes, everyone playing dcss trunk on 4chan :p
08:03:44 <Patashu> you're welcome
08:04:03 <Thann> lol
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08:28:50 <moxian> I just got an entry vault that requires me to kill plant/bush/fungus to proceed and no escape hatch in the floor. I just wanted to say that I don't like it at all. The map dump is here http://pastebin.ca/2160004 I've got a savefile if you need. Thanks.
08:31:39 <ChrisOelmueller> i don't see a problem in that paste
08:31:55 <ChrisOelmueller> except a scroll overflow, if ? depicts scrolls
08:32:09 <moxian> ? is water
08:32:22 <ChrisOelmueller> and ) is not walkable either?
08:32:49 <moxian> it is, but it doesnt help
08:32:57 <moxian> it's a dagger
08:33:16 <ChrisOelmueller> line 7, northwest has an exit then
08:33:27 <ChrisOelmueller> assuming you know about diagonal movement
08:33:43 <ddee> is there some kind of spell i can cast to summon developers to the channel
08:34:02 <Eronarn> ??summon developer
08:34:02 <ChrisOelmueller> yes, crash your game and complain about "runes everywhere" :)
08:34:05 <Henzell> I don't have a page labeled summon_developer in my learndb.
08:34:07 <Eronarn> doesn't look like it
08:34:12 <ddee> damn
08:34:34 <moxian> ChrisOelmueller: well, no.. you still need to cross deep water
08:34:43 <moxian> i'll upload a screenshot
08:34:48 <ChrisOelmueller> you move from ) to .
08:34:52 <ChrisOelmueller> i don't see deep water there
08:36:06 <moxian> http://i.imgur.com/G57Oq.png
08:36:41 <moxian> probably the formatting is odd on pastebin.. dunno
08:37:01 <ChrisOelmueller> yeah it was broken here.
08:38:33 <ChrisOelmueller> are those things fountains? you can walk on them
08:38:58 <moxian> I can walk on them, yes, but what then?
08:39:11 <moxian> I still have to kill a plant, which is tedious and not fun
08:39:16 <ChrisOelmueller> then to the spot where a ?sword? grows instead of a ?plant?
08:39:41 <moxian> there was a plant before I killed it, sorry
08:39:45 <ChrisOelmueller> heh
08:39:55 <ChrisOelmueller> okay i'll stop :-)
08:40:16 <ChrisOelmueller> probably killing a fungus is possible with every starting char though in reasonable time
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08:41:36 <moxian> It reminds me of 2x1 entry vault with a stairway down and a secret door. The secret door can be found by any class in a reasonable time too... But my vault doesn't have a down staircase, which is my concern.
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09:24:30 <Gretell> FistaCorps (L16 DsMo) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Lair:2)
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10:43:49 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2216-g2dd1f84 (33)
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11:20:32 <Cheibriados> a ring with an amulet time (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5754) by ortoslon
11:25:36 <Cheibriados> Unicode output support in local tiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5755) by frogbotherer
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11:36:32 <|amethyst> it's not clear to me what is causing amulet/ring tile problems
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13:24:28 <Grunt> The giant spore explodes!  Your orc warrior shakes off the mental distress.
13:27:34 <Grunt> The orc calls on the power of its amulet.  The orc goes berserk!
13:28:02 <bhaak> is this from grunthack or from dcss? :)
13:28:19 <Grunt> Consider the channel this is being reported in and think about it again.  :p
13:28:44 <bhaak> people post into the wrong channels all the time ;-p
13:29:18 <HangedMan> fr monster with warding once this is done to screw over summoners
13:29:39 <HangedMan> also stasis hex?
13:32:40 <Grunt> HangedMan, thanks for reminding me to implement the amulet of warding for monsters :)
13:32:45 <Grunt> (Two lines of code!)
13:32:59 <HangedMan> yay
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13:34:22 <Eronarn> Grunt: i'd get rid of 'shakes off', that makes it look like it's something chance- or time-based
13:34:37 <Eronarn> also, i'd probably replace 'calls on the power of' with 'evokes'
13:34:50 <Eronarn> and probably say the name of the item
13:35:09 <Grunt> The moth of wrath goads the orc on! The orc looks uneasy for a moment.
13:35:33 <Eronarn> stuff like that is kind of misleading/spoilery
13:35:49 <Eronarn> it's why we got rid of a bunch of the cantrip stuff
13:36:42 <HangedMan> boris still has silly cantrip-esque messages
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13:42:00 <Gretell> nobo (L15 DEWz) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (39,48) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
13:44:39 <Keskitalo> Grunt: Hey, that stuff sounds cool :)
13:45:03 <Keskitalo> monster evocs right?
13:45:14 <Grunt> The orc calls on the power of its ring.  The orc flickers and vanishes!
13:45:36 <Grunt> Right now it only works for any jewellery they happen to be wearing.
13:45:50 <Keskitalo> New exciting ways to die!
13:45:55 <Grunt> In the vast majority of cases, that should suffice, though. :p
13:46:31 <Grunt> I mainly started working on this at all because the unique I'm working on is supposed to be wearing a ring about 2/3 of the time, but it's gone much further than that now. :)
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13:50:30 <Keskitalo> hehe :
13:50:30 <Keskitalo> )
13:50:54 <ChrisOelmueller> yeah "calls on the power" doesn't sound like a mundane artifact
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13:57:11 <twelwe> are there any current plans for snails/beetles aside from boulder beetles?
13:57:38 <Grunt> ...you mean, apart from the other snails and beetles?
13:57:49 <Cheibriados> Remove Floor Background when listing stash items (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5756) by XuaXua
13:57:56 <twelwe> no, i mean modifying the current set
13:58:24 <alefury> gastronok spawns a bit earlier now, cant thing of any other changes off the top of my head
13:58:31 <alefury> s/thing/think
13:58:38 <Grunt> Gastronok is a slug, not a snail or beetle.
13:59:16 <alefury> "This is an ease of use bug." guess who wrote this
13:59:31 <alefury> <3
13:59:52 <Grunt> I'm mildly scared at who made the first note on my rings and amulets Mantis entry <_<
13:59:53 <twelwe> probably that adam01919 guy
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14:02:06 <Eronarn> Grunt: make sure to support >1 rings for octos :)
14:02:54 <Eronarn> twelwe: there's discussions of: 1) making them not be slow 2) removing them 3) replacing them with velvet worms
14:03:07 <twelwe> what does a velvet worm do?
14:03:32 <HangedMan> velvet worm suggestion on the devwiki seems to be arachne before arachne
14:03:45 <twelwe> eronarn i just posted a thread about them, if you dont mind i'd like to add that velvet worm idea
14:04:07 <Eronarn> twelwe: the RL thing, or the proposed monster?
14:04:12 <Eronarn> i dunno about the latter
14:04:16 <twelwe> proposed monster
14:04:34 <Eronarn> ??todo monsters
14:04:35 <Henzell> todo monsters[1/11]: sloths, cassowaries, moas, hoatzin, octopus,  locusts, paper wasps, bullet ants, mantis shrimp
14:04:38 <Eronarn> this is my personal list
14:06:10 <alefury> what about the claw shrimp?
14:06:19 <Wensley> big as a man, so I hear
14:06:33 <alefury> deadly, too!
14:06:37 <twelwe> i just searched the wiki for velvet worms, it looks like og17 had the slime trail for snails before i did
14:06:58 <HangedMan> liquefaction snail, we need more earth monsters
14:06:59 <twelwe> down to the shallow water comparison!
14:07:59 <frogbotherer> |amethyst: found the amulet/ring bug :D
14:09:13 <frogbotherer> there was a change in items.cc to get_item_info()
14:10:14 <frogbotherer> for unidentified rings it's setting the subtype to NUM_RINGS instead of RING_FIRST_RING
14:12:17 <frogbotherer> got a one-line patch that seems to work - any idea where to put it? :)
14:12:32 <Grunt> Attach it to 0005754, probably?
14:16:38 <Keskitalo> twelwe: Do you have the "tweaks to existing monsters" wiki page?
14:16:58 <twelwe> yes, that is where I found that og17 already came up with the slime idea
14:17:16 <twelwe> i found it after i posted the thread, looking for velvet worms
14:18:37 <Wensley> frogbotherer: you can put patches on the mantis
14:18:38 <Wensley> ??mantis
14:18:39 <Henzell> mantis[1/1]: The replacement for our sourceforge issue trackers, mantis can be found at http://crawl.develz.org/mantis
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14:20:40 <Keskitalo> I like the loudness idea for goliath beetles
14:21:18 <frogbotherer> Wensley: righto - i'll upload a patch to 5754 in mantis and stick a note on with some commentary :)
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14:25:57 <Keskitalo> Wouldn't that make all beetles loud? Boring beetles dig, and I'd guess rolling beetles make a sound once they crash into something. OR if not, they *could* make a swound.
14:26:41 <phyphor> do goliath beetles have trample yet?
14:27:57 <alefury> no, because that would be silly?
14:28:03 <Keskitalo> sounds good to me :P
14:28:15 <alefury> i dont think theyre *that* big
14:28:22 <Keskitalo> doesn't hep with their slowness though!
14:28:39 <alefury> making them noisy would be great imo
14:29:09 <twelwe> fr: kirke spawned on the same level as labrinyth - there should have been two snorts
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15:43:46 <|amethyst> frogbotherer:  that undoes the thing the patch was intended to fix
15:45:04 <|amethyst> Then again, reverting that whole patch is probably called for
15:46:02 <|amethyst> !tell galehar it looks like 5754 (ring with an amulet tile) is caused by that same commit
15:46:03 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let galehar know.
15:49:01 <Gretell> nobo (L18 DEWz) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (39,48) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
15:53:53 <frogbotherer> ah, fair enough :)
15:54:30 <Gretell> nobo (L19 DEWz) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (39,48) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
16:04:18 <Grunt> Bad item: buggily smoking rod
16:04:25 * Grunt gestures to his CAO game in progress...
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16:07:25 <alefury> that is so awesome
16:09:44 <Cheibriados> Bad item: buggily smoking rod (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5757) by sgrunt
16:15:09 <BlastHardcheese> fr rod of bugs with summon scorps, summon swarm and something else
16:15:48 <monqy> butterflies, naturally
16:22:09 <Grunt> Found a buggily smoking rod.
16:22:35 <Grunt> C - a +0 rod of smiting (12/12) (in hand)
16:22:37 <Grunt> ...how boring.
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16:41:15 <CIA-52> 03galehar * rcf79d47f52d1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (itemname.cc menu.cc menu.h): Don't show selected item count in autopickup menu.
16:48:53 <galehar> we should add autosac and toggle it with * from the autopickup menu
16:48:54 <Henzell> galehar: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
16:49:08 <galehar> add a section for corpses and chunks
16:49:13 <galehar> !messages
16:49:13 <Henzell> (1/2) |amethyst said (12h 6s ago): you may have already noticed, but 00b47bb screws up rods from saved games, as well as staff generation
16:49:27 <galehar> !messages
16:49:27 <Henzell> (1/1) |amethyst said (1h 3m 25s ago): it looks like 5754 (ring with an amulet tile) is caused by that same commit
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16:57:37 <galehar> !tell amethyst I can't fix that right now, so I'll revert it since the bug was quite harmless
16:57:37 <Henzell> galehar: OK, I'll let amethyst know.
17:00:25 <CIA-52> 03galehar * r473c05597aef 10/crawl-ref/source/ (itemprop-enum.h items.cc tilepick.cc): Revert "Fix unknown items sometimes not showing the green autopickup square."
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17:38:51 <alefury> galehar: how about full screen sac instead?
17:39:14 <alefury> yes, this lets you take away corpses before they might get resurrected
17:39:20 <alefury> but this is only for a few gods, and i think its okay
17:40:13 <alefury> for blood gods, not for nemelex/ely
17:40:32 <alefury> i think its also thematically pretty cool
17:40:56 <alefury> you scream, and trog burns all the corpses :)
17:41:26 <alefury> could make it loud too :)
17:42:13 <elliptic> I'm not a fan of full screen sac but I'd like it much more than any autosac option
17:43:36 <alefury> are you a fan of the current sacrifices?
17:44:21 <alefury> if not, how would you change them?
17:44:22 <elliptic> I don't think there is anything wrong with the current status of sacrificing, yeah
17:44:48 <alefury> its mostly okay for me, but corpses without equipment dont get visited by autoexplore
17:45:00 <alefury> which means i have to walk to them
17:45:05 <alefury> which sucks
17:45:35 <elliptic> you might be able to fix that already with autopickup/autoexplore settings, not sure
17:45:55 <alefury> well, i dont want to pick them up...
17:46:44 <alefury> o:=po isnt too bad, and with lua you can make it p only if there is a corpse
17:46:57 <elliptic> mainly I just think it is reasonable to expect players to spend some positive amount of thought on what items/corpses to sacrifice to their god...
17:47:01 <alefury> but then i still have to manually walk to some corpses
17:47:31 <alefury> trog: i get hides, i eat, i sacrifice, in order of priority
17:47:36 <alefury> same for makhleb
17:47:45 <alefury> that is not a lot of thought
17:48:30 <elliptic> surely you very occasionally want to do other things with corpses too
17:48:41 <alefury> with makhleb, yes, with trog no
17:48:51 <elliptic> anyway the point is not that it should be a complicated thing, but that I don't think it should be automatic
17:49:32 <elliptic> I'm okay with full screen sac though personally I find it sort of annoying when I play fedhas... but maybe that's just me not being used to it
17:49:49 <alefury> well, one thing that was brought up was automatic sacrifice upon rotting (i dont like the flavor)
17:50:18 <alefury> sacrificing when a corpse leaves los might be a bit better
17:50:24 <elliptic> flavour there seems bad, yes... and there are actually a lot of times currently when you get chased away from corpses and don't get a chance to sac them before they rot
17:50:35 <elliptic> I don't see any real reason to lose that
17:50:47 <elliptic> might as well just remove corpse sacrifice in that case
17:50:58 <alefury> i would like that :)
17:51:31 <alefury> maybe straight out remove it for makhleb with no compensation actually
17:52:07 <elliptic> I'd also prefer removing corpse sacrifice altogether to any of the autosac suggestions I've heard, yes...
17:52:11 <alefury> im not sure how much piety it actually generates, but its not that much, right?
17:52:23 <alefury> and makhleb is kind of powerful...
17:53:30 <elliptic> corpse sacrifice piety doesn't depend on HD of the monster that produced the corpse, so it is actually a very significant proportion of the piety that you get from, say, green rat packs in lair
17:54:30 <alefury> i dont think greater demons need to be available as early as they are
17:56:24 <alefury> green rat packs probably shouldnt generate a lot of piety anyway
17:56:30 <elliptic> yes
17:58:31 <kilobyte> elliptic: it can be done like in those old (but recently enabled) Okawaru changes
17:58:31 <Henzell> kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
17:58:43 <kilobyte> ie, storing some info about the monster in the corpse
17:58:58 <elliptic> kilobyte: yeah
18:01:22 <clouded_> I think gods in general need to be less strong
18:02:26 <clouded_> they are too reliable. part of the problem with midgame is that almost every god gives you stuff to sort out any tough encounters
18:03:50 <alefury> i think that is good
18:04:00 <alefury> one of the things unique about crawl
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18:10:41 <clouded_> pretty boring to me that I can go makhleb every game and use greater demons on every unique and dangerous monster (replace makhleb and g.demons with any other god and their ally invocations/gifts)
18:11:30 <clouded_> the reason I have far more godless wins than anything else is that it's far more fun to have to actually find things to deal with stuff rather than always get it on D:7
18:12:11 <clouded_> to other people this is apparently boring though
18:13:05 <elliptic> I don't really like the ally invocations for this reason, yes
18:22:44 * Grunt looks around for outside opinions on how his monster rings and amulets work is turning out...
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18:27:07 <clouded_> by the way, I've been playing an Oka game and I've noticed I seem to get gifts after killing uniques or shortly after
18:27:19 <clouded_> it is a lot of fun, I think it could be pushed further perhaps
18:31:23 <kilobyte> clouded_: yeah, tough kills give massive piety, popcorn about nothing
18:32:36 <Grunt> fr: rename something like Summon Small Mammals to Summon Popcorn.
18:32:38 <Grunt> <_<
18:32:40 <kilobyte> the values are set to mostly reproduce averages from a number of actual games from CDO
18:34:04 <kilobyte> (although the formula has a slump early on -- I preferred a simple formula, as it turned out it's not a problem with the formula itself but with D:2-8 actually having mostly popcorn)
18:34:34 <elliptic> in my limited testing so far it feels fine early on
18:34:40 <elliptic> and someone else said the same thing
18:34:42 <kilobyte> out of that range it approximates the averages pretty well
18:34:56 <kilobyte> you are not a typical player, though
18:35:05 <kilobyte> we'll see how it fares
18:35:24 <elliptic> well I wasn't aware that different monsters were generated for me early game than for other people :P
18:35:30 <clouded_> felt good to me also, not that improving early game wouldn't be worth it anyway
18:35:37 <kilobyte> a possible problem: you can game it by diving
18:35:55 <kilobyte> although that has obvious dangers :p
18:36:10 <elliptic> that sounds like a feature, not a problem :P
18:36:20 <kilobyte> and you make up on the XL pretty damn fast
18:37:00 <kilobyte> half XP tends to put you only a level or two behind, at least in the mid-level range
18:38:10 <kilobyte> (I don't remember how exactly it looks after galehar's changes, IIRC exp requirements used to be exactly const*2^XL in a range)
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19:18:39 <Cheibriados> I'm not autolooting chunks, anymore. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5758) by Kyrris
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19:29:00 <elliptic> so it seems that I pressed - after \ instinctively and this completely wiped out all autopickup
19:29:04 <elliptic> this seems pretty bad
19:29:38 <elliptic> (since - is what people have been pressing on that screen for years)
19:30:23 <elliptic> also I don't really understand how this autopickup menu interacts with the autopickup stuff you set in your rcfile?
19:32:50 <elliptic> pretty much makes my character unplayable without manually setting everything, afaict
19:36:09 <clouded_> not sure what an in game toggle for that is to be used for, especially with the existance of 'D'
19:37:03 <elliptic> I can see there being some use for it with ranged characters who want to autopickup arrows early on or whatever
19:37:18 <elliptic> but it shouldn't be so easy to mess things up :(
19:37:34 <elliptic> I'm not sure putting it on the \ menu is a good idea at all
19:37:45 <elliptic> vast majority of the time people are going to that menu, they aren't thinking about autopickup
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19:45:36 <Henzell> minmay the Phalangite (L21 MuGl) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Lair:1)
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19:55:04 <ChrisOelmueller> yes, the menu made my rc pickup options useless and not work
19:55:29 <ChrisOelmueller> and i also pressed - multiple times when not planning to toggle everything off
19:57:13 <Henzell> minmay the Phalangite (L21 MuGl) ERROR in 'melee_attack.cc' at line 3447: Invalid staff type: 13 (Vaults:2)
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20:20:44 <CIA-52> 03evilmike * ra50a8c65146e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/entry/simple.des: Convert some fungi in entry vaults to toadstools.
20:21:02 <evilmike> Grunt: I like how your patch has monster warding...
20:21:10 * Grunt senses a "but"?
20:21:18 <evilmike> no 'but'. so many ways of nerfing summons have been talked about. This one is new to me
20:21:38 <Grunt> I'm glad I can expand your horizons. :)
20:22:25 <Grunt> What I really need right now is more experienced pairs of eyes to look through that whole patch to spot things that need fixing or improvement.
20:22:47 <PatashuXantheres> if a monster comes into view and it's wearing jewellery, will you be prompted?
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20:23:09 <Grunt> It's treated in the same fashion as armour at the moment.
20:23:15 <evilmike> Patashu: no, it's just equipment
20:23:20 <Grunt> Thus, the prompt doesn't show it, but looking at the monster will.
20:23:28 <Grunt> (You also will get Ash warnings about it.)
20:23:43 <Patashu> it seems quite relevant whether monsters are wearing jewellery or not, in the case of certain pieces of jewellery
20:23:48 <Patashu> like clarity if you're a spen for example
20:24:00 <evilmike> they just get one jewellery slot, right?
20:24:04 <Grunt> Yes.
20:24:36 <Grunt> I thought that would be the simplest approach, given that they also currently get one armour slot (besides shields).
20:24:51 <evilmike> yeah. and items like gauntlets are shoved into the shields slot :P
20:25:39 <ChrisOelmueller> will it look very strange if a monster finds a nice ring on the floor and drops its amulet to wear the ring?
20:25:40 <evilmike> anyway, you use "ring" to refer to the jewellery slot, eg "item_def *ring = inv[MSLOT_JEWELLERY].get();"
20:25:46 <evilmike> You should probably use *jewellery
20:25:51 <Grunt> Yes, probably.
20:26:02 <Grunt> That's basically a leftover from when I was targetting rings specifically. >_>
20:26:27 <evilmike> ChrisOelmueller: have you seen what happens when a monster walks over a large stack of equipment?
20:27:25 <evilmike> ChrisOelmueller: not that I disagree with you here. It would be really weird to see a monster swap an amulet for a ring
20:28:12 <ChrisOelmueller> yes, i think 1 jewellery slot is the right amount, but a player observing this kind of swapping would really wonder what's going on
20:28:16 <Patashu> you could always make it so a monster with an amulet/ring never swaps it for a new one
20:28:29 <Patashu> (and then you could have, say, vaults with monsters with jewellery, and be confident they'll keep it worn)
20:28:32 <Grunt> Or, perhaps, that they only swap amulets for amulets and rings for rings?
20:28:41 <ChrisOelmueller> that could work
20:33:00 <evilmike> i dunno about "%s calls on the power of %s %s."
20:33:22 <evilmike> that suggests something vocal (to me, anyway), which is wrong (you can evoke things while silenced). Also, I imagine with a ring, you do something like twist it on your finger
20:33:30 <evilmike> I have no idea how amulets work though :P
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20:33:50 <Patashu> "%s touches and activates %s %s."
20:33:51 <Patashu> maybe
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20:35:36 <Grunt> "%s tugs on %s %s."
20:51:10 <Eronarn> "evokes its"
20:51:31 <Eronarn> it's the clearest indication of what is going on
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20:56:35 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r72b27e122836 10/crawl-ref/source/ (files.cc package.cc package.h): Do the whole of X[] save handling as one transaction.
20:56:45 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r54bb2f12a0f4 10/crawl-ref/source/database.cc: Require db aliases to have no < inside.
20:56:45 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * red9508da27c3 10/crawl-ref/source/package.cc: Assert out when committing a save when there are readers or writers.
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21:24:38 <evilmike> Grunt: you'll probably want to ask someone about save compat issues with your patch (I can't really help here). This looks to me like the biggest problem right now
21:24:54 <Grunt> I have been wondering about that, yes.
21:28:10 <Grunt> evilmike, who would be the best people to ask about that?
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21:39:03 <evilmike> Grunt: try asking kilobyte
21:40:17 * Grunt pokes kilobyte.
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23:08:57 <Gretell> Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2222-g72b27e1
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23:44:24 <eeviac_> Bad item:
23:44:26 <eeviac_> buggily smoking staff
23:44:28 <eeviac_> item #13:  base: 9; sub: 13; plus: 0; plus2: 0; special: 255
23:44:29 <eeviac_> quant: 1; colour: 6; ident: 0x00000000; ident_type: 0
23:44:31 <eeviac_> _    x: 28; y: 31; link: 27000
23:44:32 <eeviac_> ?
23:45:10 <Grunt> Join the club, eeviac_.
23:45:14 <Grunt> I got a buggily smoking rod earlier.
23:45:21 <eeviac_> does that mean it didn't spawn?
23:45:26 <Grunt> Oh, it spawns.
23:45:29 <eeviac_> but
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23:45:36 <Grunt> It seems to work normally, too.
23:45:43 <Grunt> It's just... the description is off.
23:45:44 <eeviac_> Ihope it's an earth staff then woo
23:47:55 <eeviac_> wait so how do I figure out what staff it is
23:48:18 <Grunt> You go and find it?
23:48:24 <eeviac_> but I have it
23:48:26 <eeviac_> and I wield it
23:48:32 <eeviac_> and it's the staff of bugginess
23:48:36 <Grunt> ...
23:48:59 <eeviac_> why can't it be the staff of earth bugginess
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