00:04:49 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2198-g9c43b84 (33)
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00:47:57 <Grunt> evilmike, sorry about the patch snafu; there's a corrected version up now >_>
00:48:11 <evilmike> heh, it's alright
00:48:22 <evilmike> i was scratching my head for a minute wondering why there was webtiles stuff in there
00:48:45 <Grunt> I have my work on the guy in a local branch, and the diff was against the local master which I forgot to update. :|
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00:58:24 <evilmike> building now. git apply doesnt like the png file in the patch. btw.
00:58:28 <evilmike> error: cannot apply binary patch to 'crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-mon/unique/fannar.png' without full index line
00:58:28 <evilmike> error: crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-mon/unique/fannar.png: patch does not apply
01:00:11 <Grunt> ...
01:00:38 <Grunt> I guess I should have removed that before I uploaded it <_<
01:05:49 <evilmike> Unlinked temporary item:
01:05:49 <evilmike> elven robe
01:05:49 <evilmike> item #23:  base: 2; sub: 0; plus: 2; plus2: 0; special: 0
01:05:49 <evilmike> quant: 1; colour: 4; ident: 0x04000000; ident_type: 0
01:08:24 <Grunt> o_O
01:08:32 <evilmike> that's a debug message by the way, not a crash
01:09:01 <Grunt> Oh, that's not the first time I've seen that type of message, but it's the first time in this context.
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05:00:18 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2198-g9c43b84
05:01:29 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r0139a993d001 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/tool/ (main.cc tile.cc tile.h): A way to check which tiles are not included in the textures.
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09:22:05 <|amethyst> should a static discharge self-kill really be reported as "wild magic" rather than something like "bounced beam"?
09:44:28 <alefury> what else is reported as wild magic?
09:44:57 <alefury> !lg * ktyp=wild magic
09:44:58 <Sequell> 3967. Neil the Gusty (L5 DrAE), killed by wild magic in D:4 on 2012-06-08, with 408 points after 3040 turns and 0:08:07.
09:45:06 <alefury> !lg * ktyp=wild magic s=ckiller
09:45:06 <Sequell> 3967 games for * (ktyp=wild magic): 3967x wild magic
09:45:11 <alefury> hmm
09:45:21 <alefury> !lg * ktyp=targeting
09:45:21 <Sequell> 2132. ktgrey the Firebug (L4 TeFE), killed themselves with bad targeting on D:3 on 2012-06-08, with 91 points after 2600 turns and 0:04:50.
09:45:38 <alefury> maybe targeting would fit better, I'm not sure
09:47:28 <|amethyst> bend space, entering a malign gateway, miscasts, and some obscure case in beam.cc (KILL_MISC || (YOU_KILL && aux_source))
09:48:03 <|amethyst> "targeting" wouldn't be right, since the spell isn't targeted
09:48:13 <|amethyst> "bounced beam" isn't exactly right, either
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09:51:28 <Eronarn> "shocking stupidity"
09:51:32 <alefury> self-electrocution?
09:51:49 <alefury> Eronarn: thats mean
09:51:55 <Eronarn> can't you also elec yourself with elec brand in water? or is that only allies
09:52:00 <|amethyst> yes
09:52:07 <|amethyst> you get a warning in that case
09:52:22 <|amethyst> I think it uses different code, checking
09:53:50 <|amethyst> yeah, completely different
09:54:20 <|amethyst> electrocution brand actually uses a beam
09:57:00 <|amethyst> and gives you "killed by arcing electricity"
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10:00:39 <alefury> that does sound about right for static discharge
10:01:02 <alefury> !lg * ktyp=arcing electricity
10:01:02 <Sequell> No games for * (ktyp=arcing electricity).
10:01:07 <alefury> !lg * ktyp=~arcing electricity
10:01:09 <Sequell> No games for * (ktyp=~arcing electricity).
10:01:55 <|amethyst> !lg * kaux=~arcing x==ktyp,killer,ckiller,ikiller,kaux
10:01:55 <Sequell> Unknown selector: x
10:01:59 <|amethyst> !lg * kaux=~arcing x=ktyp,killer,ckiller,ikiller,kaux
10:02:01 <Sequell> 4. [ktyp=wild magic;killer=;ckiller=wild magic;ikiller=;kaux=arcing electricity] Kay the Sneak (L3 SpEE), killed by arcing electricity on D:1 (serial bayou pond c) on 2012-02-10, with 52 points after 1221 turns and 0:03:46.
10:02:12 <|amethyst> oh, that's also wild magic
10:03:06 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller=wild magic s=kaux
10:03:07 <Sequell> 3967 games for * (ckiller=wild magic): 878x scroll of immolation, 502x a spatial distortion, 207x an exploding inner flame, 151x a magical explosion, 150x reading a scroll of immolation, 141x spell miscasting, 136x the capriciousness of Xom, 132x miscasting Sticky Flame, 132x a distortion effect, 130x the fury of Makhleb, 127x , 97x miscasting Mephitic Cloud, 79x the severe capriciousness of Xom, ...
10:03:55 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller=wild magic kaux=
10:03:56 <Sequell> 127. Neil the Gusty (L5 DrAE), killed by wild magic in D:4 on 2012-06-08, with 408 points after 3040 turns and 0:08:07.
10:04:02 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller=wild magic kaux= -2
10:04:03 <Sequell> 126. xgamer the Cloud Mage (L8 TeAE), killed by wild magic in D:6 on 2012-06-04, with 1677 points after 6969 turns and 0:26:38.
10:04:04 <|amethyst> !lg * ckiller=wild magic kaux= -3
10:04:05 <Sequell> 125. ztfw the Thaumaturge (L9 DEAE), worshipper of Sif Muna, killed by wild magic in D:7 on 2012-05-26, with 3048 points after 8013 turns and 0:29:39.
10:05:47 <alefury> do you mean x=kaux?
10:06:04 <alefury> oh, you mean kaux=""
10:06:06 <|amethyst> yeah
10:06:20 <CIA-52> 03|amethyst * rc6e73f0c716a 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: Specify a kaux for static discharge self-kills.
10:06:21 <|amethyst> seems to be all AEs, at least recently
10:06:50 <|amethyst> now it's "killed by static electricity"
10:06:59 <alefury> sequell is so cool
10:07:32 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2199-g0139a99 (33)
10:08:41 <alefury> having tons of archived games is kind of nice for development i guess
10:09:14 <|amethyst> yeah
10:09:40 <|amethyst> at least somewhat
10:09:53 <|amethyst> e.g. being able to ask things like
10:10:35 <alefury> well, there are ttyrecs
10:10:35 <|amethyst> !lg * cv~0.11 place=lair:8 s=map
10:10:35 <Sequell> Malformed argument: cv~0.11
10:10:35 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=~0.11 place=lair:8 s=map
10:10:35 <Sequell> 150 games for * (cv=~0.11 place=lair:8): 78x , 20x minmay lair end enchanted forest, 18x evilmike catoblepas cave, 14x evil forest, 13x due jungle book, 4x minmay lair end frog pond, wormcave, worms lemuel, portal ice cave entry animals and master
10:10:35 <|amethyst> !lg * cv=~0.10 place=lair:8 s=map
10:10:35 <Sequell> 675 games for * (cv=~0.10 place=lair:8): 314x , 85x due jungle book, 79x evilmike catoblepas cave, 67x minmay lair end enchanted forest, 63x evil forest, 30x wormcave, 19x minmay lair end frog pond, 3x jungle book, 2x slime altar 2, 2x bearwithus, 2x kennels, 2x minmay slime entry pillars, minmay slime entry oklob enclosed, portal ice cave entry animals and master, bobbens ice dragon lair, portal ...
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10:11:36 <alefury> i like how crash reports get immediately and automatically submitted into this channel, too
10:12:12 <|amethyst> that's very handy
10:12:39 <|amethyst> can be annoying sometimes if ragdoll is playing ;)
10:12:48 <alefury> heh
10:13:01 <alefury> at least that tells you its reproducible
10:13:25 <|amethyst> and exploitable to the player's benefit
10:13:49 <Ragdoll> ive had none of these
10:14:25 <|amethyst> oh, right, the zotdef one was actually bad for you, since it can lose runes
10:15:46 <|amethyst> Actually, any intentional crash is exploitable to the player's benefit, as long as you have visited at least one other level and can visit it with X
10:16:08 <|amethyst> because X[ saves the level and items on the floor, but not items in your inventory
10:16:33 <|amethyst> it's the same thing that leads to the loss of runes you have picked up
10:16:55 <|amethyst> but if you instead drop something, do X[], then crash...
10:17:03 <Eronarn> why is that a thing :P
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10:26:10 <|amethyst> Because I'm not confident enough in my understanding of that code to fix it
10:28:07 <|amethyst> I don't want to save you and chr *every* time _save_level is called, but only for the level containing the player... but you.where_are_you and you.depth describe the level you are looking at, not necessarily the one you are on
10:29:46 <|amethyst> also, I'm not sure whether I'd be introducing any potential lossage
10:30:08 <alefury> easy: introduce you.where_are_you_really :P
10:30:36 <|amethyst> I'm sure it's there somewhere
10:30:53 <alefury> im not
10:31:04 <alefury> but i have never even looked at that code, so this is just a wild assumption
10:31:17 <|amethyst> somehow after you do X[[[[<escape>  you're back where you started
10:31:33 <alefury> hm, true
10:31:55 <alefury> doesnt mean you can always access that information
10:32:07 <alefury> but you probably can
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15:10:16 <kilobyte> |amethyst: about that X[] lossage: even out of sight levels need to be in sync with global data.  For example, when you load a level, pending transits get placed.
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15:11:52 <kilobyte> solution 1: use one big transaction, somehow limiting how much data is pending; solution 2: do full saves every time a level is swapped
15:12:55 <kilobyte> obviously, 1. is efficient but tricky, 2. is easy but can be very slow (possibly hurting a server)
15:15:28 <|amethyst> hm
15:15:55 <|amethyst> yeah, making server load worse was something I definitely wanted to avoid
15:16:47 <kilobyte> in 1., a partial way would be to look for a level being saved twice in the same transaction, and if so, delete the old copy.  That would at most double the save's size
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15:22:44 <kilobyte> a save's size is roughly the actually stored data plus the size of biggest single transaction
15:23:04 <kilobyte> currently a transaction includes global data and exactly one level
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16:22:58 <Grunt> Hm, evilmike isn't here.
16:23:14 <Grunt> I'll need to remember to thank him later for pointing out the unlinked-item thing with Fannar's robe generation.
16:24:32 <Grunt> kilobyte, have you seen the latest work on that front (given that you expressed some interest in it)?
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16:28:11 <kilobyte> Grunt: I only took a glance there
16:28:37 <kilobyte> it's not the code that's an issue, but design
16:28:53 <kilobyte> I especially would like folks like elliptic or MarvinPA to chime in
16:28:59 * Grunt nods.
16:29:16 <elliptic> I haven't had much time, but what is this?
16:29:32 <Grunt> A unique I am working on.
16:29:47 <elliptic> link?
16:30:04 <Grunt> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5740
16:30:11 <Grunt> (Note that his name has changed since that thread title was written.)
16:30:47 <|amethyst> "Fannar" is the current name?
16:30:59 <Grunt> Yes.
16:31:24 <|amethyst> title updated
16:31:35 <Grunt> Thanks.
16:39:46 <elliptic> some quick first reactions about Fannar:
16:40:15 <elliptic> 1) I agree that there aren't enough ice-slanted uniques
16:41:04 <elliptic> 2) Ozo's armour seems like an extremely boring spell to give to a monster... in theme, but it doesn't sound interesting to play against
16:42:06 <alefury> well, you can remove it by zapping him with a wand of flame i guess
16:42:13 <elliptic> 2) the monster refrigeration damage formula looks crazy... 3d(5 + HD / 10) barely changes with HD at all
16:42:33 <elliptic> alefury: not necessarily if it works at all like player ozo's armour does
16:42:49 <elliptic> duration is decreased by damage done or half of that or something
16:43:01 <elliptic> so if wand of flame does 0 damage because of AC, it doesn't do anything
16:43:07 <Grunt> It is by damage done in the player case, yes.
16:43:11 <alefury> according to the comments it is currently immediately dispelled on fire damage, but Grunt had some previous more complex implementation
16:43:24 <elliptic> it should be the same for monsters
16:43:27 <Grunt> I originally implemented it in that fashion for the monster case, yes.
16:44:05 <elliptic> even if you can melt it, 7 extra AC isn't a big deal
16:44:14 <Grunt> I was told that that didn't work too well, which is why it is now in the form it's in, but if I can figure out why people didn't think it was working too well (perhaps they expected a wand of flame to melt it in one hit?) then I'm going to change it back.
16:44:39 <elliptic> why wouldn't it work well for it to be the same as how the player version works? I see no reason for asymmetry
16:44:57 <Grunt> I agree.
16:45:13 <alefury> elliptic: i see it mostly as an in-flavor way to give an elf decent AC
16:45:20 <alefury> elf caster no less
16:45:49 <elliptic> 4) I'm not sure about giving an early unique a guaranteed staff of cold
16:46:16 <elliptic> it was really bad when grinder had a guaranteed pain weapon, or even when pikel had a chance of one
16:46:25 <elliptic> this is a bit later, but I still think it is a bad idea
16:47:53 <MarvinPA> staff of cold isn't really as gamechanging as an early pain weapon, i guess
16:47:53 <Henzell> MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
16:48:02 <elliptic> 5) ensorcelled hibernation makes very little sense here IMO
16:48:18 <elliptic> fannar doesn't have much melee, ice beasts don't either
16:48:48 <elliptic> the other spells work together, this one doesn't
16:48:55 <MarvinPA> monster-castable refrig would be nice for the cocytus soh also, incidentally
16:49:05 <MarvinPA> since currently it is a poor sad joke of a soh :(
16:49:30 <elliptic> MarvinPA: it needs a damage formula that would give it more than 3d7 damage with it :P
16:49:57 <alefury> doesnt it ignore AC?
16:50:02 <elliptic> yes?
16:50:10 <alefury> damage shouldnt be super high then imo
16:50:17 <alefury> a bit more scaling would be good of course
16:50:22 <elliptic> yes but 3d7 damage is the same damage as smite
16:50:29 <elliptic> (on average)
16:51:05 <MarvinPA> considering that the fire serpent does 3d20 irresistible ac-ignoring damage
16:51:18 <alefury> could make it 5+HD/2
16:51:36 <elliptic> 3d6 on Fannar is already not very impressive compared with orc priest smiting (which happens earlier)
16:52:48 <elliptic> Grunt: I do like the idea of ice beast / bolt of cold / refrigeration / blink
16:52:53 <alefury> note that most monsters dont resist cold
16:53:11 <alefury> having fannar kill off all his friends super fast would not be great imo
16:53:23 <alefury> a little slower would be better
16:53:24 <elliptic> his only friends are the ice beasts he summons
16:53:37 <elliptic> nikola already kills off other monsters with chain lightning and that works fine
16:53:43 <alefury> also anything he spawns with, like a bajillion of orcs in orc
16:54:10 <alefury> im not saying its a major problem, but people with rC+++ using him to clear orc:4 or something would be weird
16:54:18 <MarvinPA> so long as it does good damage to the player it seems fine, yeah
16:54:22 <elliptic> the solution to that is better AI
16:54:26 <st_> imo we should have a unique frost drake for lair, we need some animal uniques and lair doesn't have much cold. Also more uniques with blink do we need that?
16:54:53 <kilobyte> a giant eye unique with blink!
16:55:00 <Grunt> "blinking eye"
16:55:28 <Grunt> I can just see it now. "The blinking eye blinks! The blinking eye blinks! The blinking eye blinks!"
16:55:42 <Zannick> Blinker blinks! Blinker blinks!
16:55:52 <Zannick> Blinker blinks at you in Morse code.
16:57:16 <elliptic> one thing that would be sort of cool IMO is if this unique worshipped makhleb and got some healing from killing other monsters with refrigeration
16:57:19 <alefury> you are paralyzed. you die. ?
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16:58:37 <Grunt> If I'm reading some of the rest of the monster spellcasting code correctly, the effective power of a monster spell is 12 * HD, meaning if I use the same formula for monster refrigeration damage as for player damage it would come out as 3d(5 + 1.2*HD).
16:59:44 <Grunt> (In which case, I could probably get away with 3d(5 + HD) as an approximation.)
17:00:01 <Grunt> I'm pondering how powerful that would end up being, given that Fannar has 10 HD (for 3d15 damage).
17:00:28 <elliptic> 3d15 would be rather lethal at D:10
17:00:32 <Grunt> That sounds as though it might be too hard-hi--
17:00:33 <Grunt> Yes.
17:00:42 <kilobyte> there's no "effective power of a monster spell", most spells use a formula on their own
17:00:58 <kilobyte> without a shred of consistency :(
17:01:13 <Grunt> This is a bit of a problem when I'm aiming for consistency. :p
17:01:48 <Grunt> Perhaps I will give HD / 2 a shot (that would put Fannar at 3d10).
17:02:48 <Grunt> elliptic, while I'm tinkering with this, do you have a better suggestion for the Hibernation spell slot? I admit that was a bit of a last-minute throw-it-in. <_<
17:03:29 <Grunt> I'm thinking I may just not have a spell there.
17:03:36 <elliptic> you don't need 6 spells, yes
17:04:02 <kilobyte> spell slots have different meanings, too
17:04:26 <kilobyte> especially slot 6, which is used only for monsters that are running away
17:04:40 <Grunt> Yes, I am aware of the meaning of spell slots.
17:04:43 <Grunt> :)
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17:09:12 <Grunt> The 5 + HD / 2 feels like a more consistent threat than the old formula was, without being overly lethal to a character at that point..
17:09:25 <Grunt> s@5 + HD / 2@3d(5 + HD / 2)@
17:12:07 <Cheibriados> Morning/Evening stars + Quickblade (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5744) by dd
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17:56:51 <frogbotherer> anyone got a minute to talk about unicode support? i've got patches ready against the latest 0.11 from git, but don't know where to put them
17:57:21 <frogbotherer> also: it hungers for RAM at the moment, and i want to know what's acceptable :D
18:02:27 <kilobyte> frogbotherer: what kind of hunger are we talking about?  Unlike remote games, local ones don't really care about memory efficiency.
18:03:01 <HangedMan> how mean for locals
18:03:05 <kilobyte> with tiles being as slow as they are, you'd need to take several hundred megs to make it unacceptable...
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18:03:10 <frogbotherer> so for 256 glyphs, valgrind says it goes from ~30Mb to ~40Mb
18:03:26 <frogbotherer> which is good enough for any near-european language without silly letters
18:03:47 * kilobyte ponders Chinese and Korean translations.
18:03:49 <frogbotherer> for 4096 glyphs, which is overkill for Japanese, it wants nearer 300Mb
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18:04:07 <HangedMan> wasn't there already a seperate korean translation thing
18:04:19 <kilobyte> .zh is barely stared, .ko is the #1 most translated already
18:04:53 <Wensley> .zh?
18:05:02 <frogbotherer> yeah, the korean one works by replacing the 256 char lookup table with a bigger 4096 one full of korean pictographs
18:05:08 <HangedMan> haha
18:05:27 <kilobyte> HangedMan: not a lot of messages done, and they did in a way that can't be generalized for other languages
18:05:37 <HangedMan> oh, boo
18:06:12 <frogbotherer> what i've done is stick a map inbetween the char being prepared for output and the texture that stores the rendered characters
18:06:34 <frogbotherer> so, so long as it's in the font and will fit in the texture, you can print whatever you want
18:07:58 <frogbotherer> as it sees new characters it builds and rebuilds the texture, so it would be slow for a language that has a very large number of unique characters (Chinese?)
18:08:31 <frogbotherer> and it also needs a copy of the pixels in the font wrapper as well as in texture memory (cos i couldn't figure out how to get the texture data back out of SDL again)
18:09:49 <kilobyte> perhaps it could be done by pages instead?
18:09:55 <frogbotherer> (i'm not an expert at this by any means btw; it just irritated me that the curly quotes didn't render) :(
18:10:44 <frogbotherer> i think that's the way you're supposed to do it - but it'd need more of a disembowelment of the current code
18:10:57 <Grunt> You open the code like a pillowcase!!!
18:11:34 <frogbotherer> :D
18:11:40 <frogbotherer> my patch is ~450 lines
18:12:48 <kilobyte> got some family at my place, can't sit longer and take a look
18:12:52 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r046f7596c433 10/crawl-ref/source/ (14 files in 3 dirs): Horny cat tiles (ontoclasm).
18:13:44 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r25835462277e 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Remove or move to UNUSED/ unused tile icons.
18:13:44 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * rf26b0288a92a 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-misc/alphabet/ (52 files in 2 dirs): Revert "Re-add the rltiles alphabetic tiles to the repository."
18:13:44 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r79308c8751c6 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Purge a set of old bad recoloured wall tiles.
18:13:44 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * rcd972ce3564d 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Remove remnants of old merfolk tiles (for monsters).
18:13:44 <frogbotherer> righto - shall i stick something on mantis maybe?
18:13:44 <frogbotherer> or leave it 'til the weekend? :)
18:15:32 <Grunt> If Mantis, then other people will be able to look through it, I'll point out.
18:16:22 <kilobyte> (back, but on maemo, can't try it ouy)
18:16:42 * Grunt wonders if kilobyte is screen-ing around :)
18:16:44 <kilobyte> it's a series of patches, right?
18:16:52 <frogbotherer> just one
18:17:07 <frogbotherer> touches fontwrapper-ft.cc, its header, and two lines of tilefont.h
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18:17:48 <kilobyte> then Mantis may still be adequate, otherwise a public git repository would be better
18:18:05 <|amethyst> even then you should put a link on mantis
18:18:20 <|amethyst> merge requests don't get looked at anywhere nearly as often as mantis
18:18:48 <frogbotherer> argh another one? i've already got my android changes in a public git repo :\
18:18:53 <|amethyst> just make a new branch in that one
18:19:06 <kilobyte> Grunt: tmuxing actually; I strongly prefer screen over tmux but it can't handle Unicode above U+FFFF, and that appears on IRC relatively often :p
18:19:13 <Grunt> Oh, even better!
18:19:16 * Grunt waves from tmux :)
18:19:36 <Grunt> (well, maybe not "even better", but...)
18:20:13 <frogbotherer> amethyst: looks like i need to get back to the git manual then - i'm on a bit of a learning curve here :D
18:20:46 <|amethyst> git push git://wherever currentbranch:remotename
18:20:46 <frogbotherer> (think i stuffed it up the first time by putting all the android changes into master rather than a branch, but nm)
18:21:40 <kilobyte> frogbotherer: no big bother, we can cope with patches in most formats for anything but most massive changes
18:21:54 <|amethyst> even then, a patch sequence isn't too bad with git am
18:22:01 <|amethyst> better in one file though
18:22:19 <frogbotherer> ok, i'll bosh it into mantis then, one patch file, ~450 lines total
18:22:25 <|amethyst> git format-patch
18:22:26 <kilobyte> frogbotherer: getting someone to help with actual code is worth a lot compared to nice patch metadata
18:22:43 <|amethyst> :)
18:23:25 <|amethyst> yeah, we've managed to merge terrible terrible things, though kilobyte did have to reset HEAD once
18:23:59 <Grunt> ...do I want to know why that needed to happen?
18:24:01 <frogbotherer> i can get these changes merged into the android ones up on my repo no probs (i had to untangle them to get a separate patch and then test on a separate clone)
18:24:30 <|amethyst> Grunt:  repeated remerging against a 'master' that wasn't correct itself
18:24:42 <Grunt> Ugh.
18:24:45 <Grunt> That sounds painful.
18:24:56 <Grunt> (Ouch! That really hurt!  Your repository dies...)
18:25:38 <kilobyte> repeated remerging wouldn't be that bad, having every pull from master produce a tree was kind of nasty
18:26:30 <|amethyst> gitg and gitk were really pretty and colourful, though
18:26:42 <|amethyst> especially gitg with the curved lines and all
18:29:44 <frogbotherer> there we go: http://gitorious.org/crawl/android-crawl/commit/47d9190077edb339ece6cb94144ba5047d72ee1a/diffs/5f938d07baa398b02ed23d8dba6b8bb5a99018b9
18:30:11 <frogbotherer> the android port will compile on x86 and do what you expect btw
18:31:53 <Wensley> so what does "android port" mean? I thought android was only java
18:32:02 <Wensley> or is it a webtiles thing
18:33:02 <frogbotherer> i ported local tiles to android
18:33:10 <Eronarn> android has some interfaces for using other languages now
18:33:51 <|amethyst> that commit has the android stuff as an ancestor, right?
18:34:02 <frogbotherer> yeah
18:34:11 <frogbotherer> which is why there's lots of horrid stuff being taken out again
18:34:31 <|amethyst> hm
18:35:02 <frogbotherer> i need to get my head around git a bit better before i can show you the same thing against "HEAD of MAIN" or whatever the equivalent is
18:35:19 <frogbotherer> (still stuck with CVS for day-to-day stuff here :()
18:36:25 <|amethyst> git fetch git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git master:orig-master
18:36:35 <|amethyst> or in this case,
18:36:47 <|amethyst> git fetch git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git master:unicode
18:37:19 <|amethyst> then git checkout unicode   and    git cherry-pick 5f938d07
18:38:17 <frogbotherer> running these in the root of my android port's code? [apologies for noob questions]
18:38:29 <|amethyst> wherever in the code
18:38:54 <|amethyst> only a few commands require you to be in the root
18:39:01 <frogbotherer> i'll give it a go
18:39:29 * due waves
18:40:01 <|amethyst> then you can   git push ssh://your-repo/ unicode
18:40:11 <Wensley> frogbotherer: I think that porting an old and hairy C++ codebase to a mobile phone frees you from having to apologize for being a noob :P
18:41:07 <frogbotherer> haha - it wasn't that difficult; the hard bit was porting the SDL library, but happily someone else (much larger brain!) had done that already
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18:42:08 <frogbotherer> most of the work was trying to figure out where GLES was rendering all the vertices :(
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18:53:54 <frogbotherer> haha whoops - well that's the unicode branch pushed to the public repo; complete with all the conflicts embedded in the source :(
18:54:03 <frogbotherer> schoolboy :D
18:59:27 <Gretell> nobo (L15 DEWz) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (39,48) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
19:03:45 <|amethyst> hrm
19:06:02 <frogbotherer> right well i've managed to get a unicode branch up on gitorious with the right code in it, but i don't know if gitorious will show you a pretty diff from the branch point with my changes in [google is giving me mixed messages :(]
19:07:41 <frogbotherer> i think a project for my weekend is going to be figuring out how i can get all the android stuff out onto a branch and then reset master so it reflects the latest 0.11 build
19:07:58 <frogbotherer> fun :D
19:13:37 <Wensley> gitorious doesn't like showing diffs
19:13:44 <Wensley> especially diffs larger than about 20 lines
19:21:54 <frogbotherer> ha! URL hackery persists as the most useful skill on the internet
19:22:01 <frogbotherer> behold: https://gitorious.org/crawl/android-crawl/commit/046f7596c433ed781270a4bfbc54a1a414e5492f/diffs/d2da7c6e5c499c42a13519b995bfd8e072b9d136
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20:41:35 <Grunt> Oh hi evilmike.
20:41:40 <evilmike> hello
20:41:44 <Grunt> Thanks for pointing out the unlinked item thing the other day.
20:42:23 <evilmike> no problem. sorry for not doing more than that, but it was an easy fix anyway
20:43:01 <Grunt> I'm just not completely used to how thing work (or don't) in this codebase yet. :)
20:43:21 <evilmike> having actually taken a close look at the patch now, I have one small suggestion I don't think anyone else has mentioned yet. You should use 4 spaces instead of tabs
20:43:46 <Grunt> Hm, I think that's a quirk of my text editor rather than anything I'm intentionally doing.
20:44:16 <Grunt> I'll figure out how to get it to not do that the next time I am tinkering with something >_>
20:44:20 <evilmike> most editors I've used will let you choose to place spaces when you press "tab"
20:46:31 <evilmike> different editors can use different tab widths, and crawl uses spaces everywhere. so when you mix tabs and spaces for indentation, it can get ugly
20:46:54 * Grunt nods.
20:52:24 <evilmike> <Grunt> I was told that that didn't work too well, which is why it is now in the form it's in, but if I can figure out why people didn't think it was working too well (perhaps they expected a wand of flame to melt it in one hit?) then I'm going to change it back.
20:52:37 <evilmike> just going to say, the reason i said it wasn't working too well is because i'm extremely stupid :P
20:52:59 <evilmike> i started a level 1 character and zapped fire spells at it (with extremely low power, thus hardly any damage)
20:53:03 <Grunt> Hee.
20:53:06 <Grunt> I suspected that was the case. :)
20:53:28 <Grunt> (And yes, it did get changed back, but I think you noticed that already.)
20:53:52 <evilmike> yeah
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23:07:36 <Gretell> Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2205-g046f759
23:40:05 <ChthonicOne_> Arg!  Acid blobs hurt :/
23:40:27 <Grunt> ...is this really where you want to be bringing that up?
23:40:36 <Grunt> Are you complaining to the devs that they should be toned down or something?  ;-P
23:40:52 <ChthonicOne_> Oh, wait, sorry, wrong channel
23:40:55 <Grunt> :D
23:41:03 * ChthonicOne_ just woke up.
23:41:16 <evilmike> no problem, that happens a lot :P
23:41:28 <evilmike> the funniest is when someone queries one of the bots a dozen times before realizing
23:41:46 <ChthonicOne_> Heh
23:42:12 <ChthonicOne_> I don't even know why this tab was selected honestly.  Probably just me reading your conversation from earlier.
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