00:03:43 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2084-gce0c410 (33)
00:16:23 <Cheibriados> Ds Attuned to Shadows with Bow can kill outside of sight (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5713) by XuaXua
00:19:58 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2084-gce0c410
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00:34:31 <elliptic> |amethyst: fe6b02f/2d761a2 seem broken in the following ways: (a) most quadrants in V:8 have far fewer monsters than normal (sometimes just 2 or 3) and (b) the Zot:5 orb vault orb guardians are duplicated again
00:35:04 <|amethyst> hrm
00:35:15 <|amethyst> yeah, I saw the bug report about the V:8 quadrants
00:35:22 <|amethyst> not clear why that would be happenning
00:35:34 <|amethyst> maybe something with subvaults
00:35:55 <elliptic> yeah, I guessed it had something to do with subvaulting, which was why I took a look at zot:5
00:36:12 <elliptic> maybe the 8/9 monsters are being suppressed by 2d761a2?
00:37:03 <elliptic> it felt like the number of monsters in the quadrants might be about right for normal random monster generation, just not whatever the vault puts in... but I don't know much about this
00:40:53 <|amethyst> hm
00:41:07 <|amethyst> it's not clear to me what would have been changed
00:57:42 <|amethyst> yeah, it's  2d761a2,  but not sure how
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01:15:00 <|amethyst> err
01:15:24 <|amethyst> so for some reason it's always being called with '1'.. I bet I did something stupid
01:15:45 <|amethyst> '1' instead of, for example, '8' or '9'
01:19:44 <|amethyst> oh, or it's just not being called on subvaults
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01:32:35 <|amethyst> hm... fixed that, but I'm still seeing triple guardians in Zot:5
01:33:03 <|amethyst> in the orb vault, that is; the ones further out in the hall are normal
01:35:04 <elliptic> *triple*?
01:35:15 <elliptic> I was only seeing double :P
01:36:27 <|amethyst> well
01:36:52 <|amethyst> I got 24 then 22 guardians in the original orb chamber
01:37:40 <elliptic> original orb chamber normally has 12
01:37:41 <|amethyst> oh
01:37:42 <|amethyst> okay
01:37:46 <|amethyst> double then
01:38:29 <|amethyst> so the fix for no V:8 subvault creatures doesn't make Z:5 worse
01:38:35 <|amethyst> still doesn't fix it though
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01:58:31 <|amethyst> oh
01:58:34 <|amethyst> derp
02:04:25 <|amethyst> elliptic:  thanks
02:07:26 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * rf7c09fd8094a 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Don't double vault monsters.
02:07:30 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * r0bdf6309bfbc 10/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Don't lose subvault monster glyphs.
02:07:52 <elliptic> |amethyst: yay, thanks!
02:08:35 <|amethyst> I had completely forgotten to take out the old call to _dgn_place_one_monster
02:08:52 <|amethyst> in the mapspec case
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02:44:32 <Henzell> VolteccerJack the Bringer of Life (L13 HOHe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1065 failed on turn 24588. (Lair:7)
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03:41:03 <Napkin> i need to wait 10 seconds before the roundcube on CDO reacts to my request...
03:41:16 <Napkin> and that's with 300 maxclients in apache *sigh*
03:48:21 <due> roundcube?
03:48:31 <due> ah
03:50:38 <Napkin> hi due
03:52:33 <Napkin> !tell edlothiol games are not ending properly. "ps -ef | grep crawl-web- | grep -v grep | awk '{ print $2, $8, $9, $10 }' | wc -l" -> 28, "wc -l web-status" -> 17. that means 9 more crawl-web processes are still running, even though they are not being played anymore.
03:52:33 <Henzell> Napkin: OK, I'll let edlothiol know.
03:54:06 <|amethyst> Napkin:  any idea how much of the CPU usage is from games in the abyss?
03:54:27 <Napkin> no idea
03:55:19 <|amethyst> I put up an implementable a few weeks ago that would cut in half the calculation time for abyss grid
03:55:25 <|amethyst> s
03:56:24 <|amethyst> back to what it was before:
03:56:31 <|amethyst> %git :/digging.*abyss
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03:57:54 <|amethyst> %git :/digging.*abyss
03:58:15 <Cheibriados> |amethyst * ra00d525097be: Allow digging etc. to work in the abyss. (5 months ago, 1 file, 74+ 44-)
03:59:00 <Napkin> !tell edlothiol the sockets folder is a true mess - as in: socket files are not being properly deleted
03:59:01 <Henzell> Napkin: OK, I'll let edlothiol know.
04:02:47 <Napkin> !tell edlothiol same with the inprogress folder. ping me, when you are in
04:02:48 <Henzell> Napkin: OK, I'll let edlothiol know.
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06:45:00 <Gretell> Ned (L10 DEFE) ERROR: range check error (-30 / 17) (D:10)
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08:30:10 <kilobyte> I wonder, should ghosts be allowed to retain Ball Lightning?  It works well, except there is one issue: Pan Lords use that table as well, and in Pan zigs they'd clear a good part of the level for you.
08:31:27 <alefury> those lists really have no business being the same i think.
08:32:15 <alefury> ball lightning on pan lords would also be horrible outside of zigs
08:32:31 <alefury> lots of pan lord vaults are pretty cramped, and they all come with an escort
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08:59:41 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r91a59eea3224 10/crawl-ref/source/ghost.cc: Let ghosts retain ball lightning.
08:59:45 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * rabfa9f68b288 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/features.txt: Description for "altar of Beogh" ie, "orcish idol" when seen by orcs.
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09:31:49 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2088-gabfa9f6 (33)
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10:18:11 <alefury> MarvinPA: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4717
10:19:07 <alefury> MarvinPA: is what i wrote correct, or was i talking bullshit?
10:19:47 <elliptic> |amethyst: ^
10:21:04 <alefury> oh, i thought MarvinPA compiled the suppressed mutation list
10:21:19 <alefury> oh well, cant remember everything :/
10:27:02 <elliptic> he might have had something to do with it also, I don't know
10:34:25 <|amethyst> I could see the argument for changing it
10:34:36 <|amethyst> I made all the resistance mutations form-dependent
10:35:21 <|amethyst> it's not exactly physical vs non-physical
10:36:34 <|amethyst> that said, rN is very borderline and I wouldn't object to it being changed
10:37:08 <|amethyst> but I think rP for example should be suppressed by mutations
10:37:19 <|amethyst> s/mutations/forms/
10:37:20 <phyphor> elliptic: assuming I have the chance to learn any other summon spell bar summon dragon, what next?
10:38:11 <|amethyst> arguably things like strong/weak/frail should be suppressed too
10:38:23 <|amethyst> the current list isn't exactly principled
10:38:38 <|amethyst> you want to look at the third boolean in mutation-data.h
10:38:46 <phyphor> ack, wrong channel :(
10:39:04 <|amethyst> (and compare to the second boolean, which is used for Vampire hunger-based suppression)
10:46:06 <alefury> |amethyst: i think i looked through the list when you made it, i remember you having your reasons for any debatable choices
10:46:47 <alefury> some stuff can simply go either way, and it has to go one way or the other
10:48:22 <elliptic> I think rN+ being suppressed is fine personally, consistent with other resists
10:49:17 <alefury> its fine either way imo
10:49:25 <alefury> so might as well leave it as is :)
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10:59:11 <edlothiol> Napkin: wc -l web-status gives me one more than the process list, and it fits with the list on the lobby page -- I don't think there are any orphaned processes
10:59:11 <Henzell> edlothiol: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them.
11:00:18 <alefury> edlothiol: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4709
11:00:34 <edlothiol> yeah, saw that
11:01:29 <edlothiol> Napkin: agree about the socket and inprogress folders, maybe it's got something to do with the ghost games in the lobby
11:03:17 <edlothiol> the performance doesn't seem so bad whenever I check, but there seem to be spikes... could be a bug
11:04:14 <alefury> during the last tourney the game sometimes didnt react for several seconds
11:04:20 <alefury> other than that performance seemed fine
11:04:38 <alefury> the problems were rather rare, too
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11:15:36 <kilobyte> throwing nets: is this ok: "slightly frayed", "somewhat frayed", "frayed", "quite torn", "torn", "badly torn", "falling apart"?
11:16:21 <HangedMan> torn after quite torn? ehhhhh
11:16:22 <kilobyte> nothing for +0, no way to get > +0 nor < -7
11:16:43 <kilobyte> "somewhat torn"?  Something else?
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11:17:31 <HangedMan> somewhat works
11:17:36 * kilobyte reduces wear on the thesaurus by asking you guys :p
11:18:15 <elliptic> kilobyte: that's a lot of different adjectives, maybe changing things to use fewer would be good
11:18:18 <alefury> maybe use 2 words
11:18:30 <alefury> frayed, and falling apart
11:18:42 <HangedMan> still will have tiny few look up ench to adj too
11:18:49 <kilobyte> elliptic: my current way is: "throwing net" (no damage), "throwing net [frayed]" (for -3)
11:19:00 <kilobyte> might be better to show that some other way
11:24:03 <kilobyte> at least, current +0 .. -7 is quite hard to understand for new players (and perhaps even for old ones as well, nets hardly ever were identified)
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11:26:18 <alefury> 0, -1, -2 nothing; -3, -4, -5 frayed, -6, -7 falling apart
11:27:32 <alefury> do differently enchanted nets stack?
11:28:26 <HangedMan> no
11:30:49 <alefury> ugh
11:32:17 <alefury> they probably should. But should the most damaged or the least damaged net be thrown first? Least damaged maximizes number of available nets, most damaged minimizes weight. Probably least damaged would be better.
11:32:46 <|amethyst> potions of blood are currently the only type of item where distinguishable things stack
11:34:05 <|amethyst> could collapse into 3 or 4 states and reduce the chance of damage proportionately
11:37:00 <MarvinPA> potions of blood also have a ton of code all over the place to make that work :P
11:37:25 <MarvinPA> it's pretty scary
11:37:34 <|amethyst> yeah, I'd rather remove it from potions of blood than add it to other things (but unidentified potions need it, so that isn't really a possibility)
11:38:47 <kilobyte> also, it's a pain in the butt that somehow poisonous blood can't be bottled
11:40:15 <alefury> i dont know what you mean. its also a pain in the butt that poisonous meat cant be eaten. i thought that was the point.
11:40:35 <MarvinPA> you can eat it if you're poison-resistant
11:40:53 <MarvinPA> likewise you can drink poisonous blood if you're poison-resistant, but you can't bottle it
11:40:58 <ChrisOelmueller> poisonous blood works anyways though if you're hungry or worse i think
11:41:09 <ChrisOelmueller> which is not quite the same as meat
11:41:30 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r7451ffb83d07 10/crawl-ref/source/ (itemname.cc libutil.cc): Display damaged nets as "a throwing net [torn]" rather than "a -3 throwing net".
11:41:31 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * ra763a730bc86 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Simplify the code for formatting item pluses.
11:41:37 <alefury> MarvinPA: doesnt seem easy to fix. you should always be able to bottle it, but only able to drink it if resistant to poison
11:41:57 <alefury> which would require another potion type, potion of poisonous blood...
11:42:10 <|amethyst> and potion of coagulated poisonous blood
11:42:15 <alefury> riiiight
11:42:25 <alefury> vampires -.-
11:42:31 <HangedMan> replace potionn of strong poison!
11:42:34 <ChrisOelmueller> indeed
11:42:41 <kilobyte> better to take a bunch of item spots that to have this restriction
11:42:48 <kilobyte> but there might be a better way...
11:43:32 <kilobyte> no one cares about strong poison except for Evaporate users
11:43:42 <ChrisOelmueller> and no one cares about those
11:43:44 <alefury> ohhhh, two birds with one stone?
11:43:51 <alefury> (make that three, including distill)
11:44:07 <kilobyte> alefury: toss in stalkers!
11:44:16 <kilobyte> alefury: (and halflings :p)
11:44:44 <HangedMan> ...hmm, does delayed.decay work for blood?
11:44:48 <|amethyst> It definitely deserves an axe to the head.
11:45:20 <HangedMan> screw halfling removal before high elf
11:45:28 <alefury> but if halflings were removed, that description would be gone too :(
11:45:46 <alefury> HangedMan: HE has a niche, Ha is just a Ko
11:46:11 <ChrisOelmueller> with more hp
11:46:13 <|amethyst> alefury:  they would be monsters still, either normally or in the extinct species vault
11:46:21 <HangedMan> ha has better hp/defense and no carni!
11:46:52 <alefury> i know there are some small differences.
11:47:06 <alefury> i dont really care either way about halflings
11:47:16 <HangedMan> also I want halfling hailstormers some day
11:47:26 <kilobyte> hail?
11:47:29 <alefury> whats a halfling hailstormer?
11:48:01 <HangedMan> am monsters
11:48:37 <alefury> whats am?
11:48:46 <|amethyst> arcane marksmen
11:48:57 <alefury> ah, now it makes sense
11:49:21 <Napkin> edlothiol: now it does, since i did excessive killing already ;)
11:49:33 <alefury> so they would frost brand their slings and innerflame/enslave your summons? i dont even remember all the stuff in the AM book :(
11:49:56 <HangedMan> cause fear
11:50:22 <alefury> no more branding, though?
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11:50:45 <|amethyst> they don't have to use the same spellbook
11:50:51 <Napkin> edlothiol: also, there is (at least was) one game listed in lobby (buffalo) which was neither in inprogress nor was there a process of it
11:51:04 <|amethyst> monster necromancers don't have the intro necromancy book
11:51:08 <HangedMan> GOB has too many spells to reliably cause fear and eidola only have pain
11:51:15 <Napkin> so, lobby showed less than it should, but also something it shouldn't have
11:53:05 <edlothiol> Napkin: yeah, the buffalo game is another ghost game, which I've still no idea where they come from
11:53:07 <HangedMan> then again, last thing late needs is more ranged...
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12:08:26 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r4e71bc28cfd6 10/crawl-ref/source/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Give the conjurer in tengu_band a tile.
12:09:18 <clouded_> okay I'm watching JEWELLEDBRONZECROWN and it looks like it's getting the old double monsters in vaults thing
12:09:28 <elliptic> clouded_: the fix isn't on CDO
12:09:37 <clouded_> ah okay
12:09:42 <elliptic> Napkin: mind updating CDO?
12:10:00 <Napkin> what exactly?
12:10:10 <elliptic> console trunk
12:10:20 <Napkin> sure, 1s
12:10:26 <elliptic> it has a nasty bug messing up a lot of vaults
12:12:01 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2091-g4e71bc2 (33)
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14:07:57 <heteroy> _d - 4 scrolls of identify (gained 1)
14:08:02 <heteroy> "gained 1)?
14:08:55 <elliptic> you just picked up one
14:09:03 <heteroy> oh
14:11:35 <heteroy> hmm annihilations on a muck. do i actually try to make use of this thing
14:11:48 <heteroy> nope. i just die
14:12:02 <heteroy> oh xom teleport saves the day
14:14:43 <alefury> ##crawl is over there -->
14:17:10 <heteroy> eep
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14:26:34 <Eronarn> people thought lava orcs got turned into forge dwarves. what.
14:26:52 <GreatOrbOfEyes> hahaha
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19:12:22 <alefury> ok. i know it was long ago. but: hahahaha
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20:27:54 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r7a7945507d92 10/crawl-ref/source/ (19 files): Make some functions static/gone.
20:28:02 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r2962df23398e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Descs for wizards in altered mental states.
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20:35:47 <unferth> hello, having a bit of trouble running crawl-tiles 10/trunk on debian testing. getting error Failed to set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual
20:36:11 <unferth> btw it's an ati rage 128 vid card :/
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20:47:51 <Cheibriados> Potions of blood don't auto-id after casting sublimation (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5714) by BlackSheep
20:52:40 <kilobyte> unferth: sadly, quite a few setups have driver problems like this.  It'd be nice to drop OpenGL stuff that's not really needed for a 2D game, but none of current developers works on local tiles :(
20:53:02 <kilobyte> you can try webtiles
20:53:44 <unferth> was'nt 0.8 or 0.7 not based on sdl? maybe i could try one of those..
20:54:02 <unferth> no current tile developers?
20:54:06 <unferth> hmm
20:54:41 <kilobyte> 0.4, that's truly ancient
20:55:21 <kilobyte> edlothiol does webtiles, and folks do minor fixes from time to time
20:55:30 <unferth> my opengl is working, i have openarena running.
20:56:35 <unferth> but this weird r128 card is so funky hehe.. i doubt it's crawl's fault.
20:56:51 <unferth> thanks though
20:58:38 <kilobyte> newer cards have problems too
20:58:49 <kilobyte> or other architectures
21:02:30 <|amethyst> if it's set for fullscreen, make sure the resolution is one you can do
21:02:35 <|amethyst> or try non-fullscreen
21:02:38 <unferth> ooh
21:03:27 <unferth> no luck
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22:15:51 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * rc3b670a346c1 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/features.txt: Descs for Cloud Mage's white crystal walls.
22:15:51 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * ra0a4260d4bbd 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/descript/features.txt util/gather_features): A desc for Zot traps.
22:15:52 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r06589fa4778d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: A desc for black sheep.
22:15:52 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r03eeda0053d9 10/crawl-ref/source/directn.cc: Don't lose identity of traps when out of LOS.
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23:00:35 <CIA-52> 03dolorous * rd3bace774bc0 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (features.txt monsters.txt): Adjust wording and punctuation of new descriptions.
23:07:20 <Gretell> Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-2097-g03eeda0
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