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00:46:47 <|amethyst> Is there a way to find the real current level?  Even if the player is currently viewing a different level with X[]
00:48:30 <|amethyst> eh, probably better to just do this always
00:56:15 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * r55fed8025e64 10/crawl-ref/source/dgn-overview.cc: Say what level will be annotated in the ! prompt.
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01:14:05 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * r3a0ba81e0daa 10/crawl-ref/source/stairs.cc: Don't crash on wizmode hell exits.
01:15:55 <|amethyst> FR: game modes that start in Lair and Vestibule
01:16:12 <|amethyst> not sure how to balance that at all
01:16:48 <Gretell> Daggerfall (L16 CeHu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (39,21) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
01:17:12 <|amethyst> 0.10 I hope
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01:17:30 <|amethyst> !lm Daggerfall crash x=v,src,tiles
01:17:30 <Sequell> No milestones for Daggerfall (crash).
01:17:41 <|amethyst> !lm Daggerfall crash
01:17:41 <Sequell> No milestones for Daggerfall (crash).
01:17:53 <|amethyst> !lm Daggerfall zotdef crash x=v,src,tiles
01:17:54 <Sequell> 1. [2012-05-10] [v=0.10.0;src=cdo;tiles=y] Daggerfall the Merry Centaur (L16 CeHu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (39,21) (the Orb) (D:1)
01:18:21 <|amethyst> !lm Daggerfall zotdef crash -log
01:18:21 <Sequell> 1. Daggerfall, XL16 CeHu, T:4471 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/Daggerfall/crash-Daggerfall-20120510-061647.txt
01:19:07 <|amethyst> a rock worm
01:21:50 <dtsund> |amethyst: Angel of Confidence/Overconfidence?
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01:22:59 <|amethyst> I haven't actually played doomrl, but something like that
01:23:10 <|amethyst> or maybe something entirely different
01:23:44 <|amethyst> a soul farming game where you play a reaper, I dunno
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02:14:10 <XnMojo> is it a known bug that you can't access the aptitudes list from the character creation screen on webtiles?
02:28:56 <kilobyte> XnMojo: AFAIK it's not known, could you report it so edlothiol receives it?
02:30:05 <kilobyte> due: would you care to comment on Mantis#5658 "Holy beings will not cross holy fire"?  It's your creation, you know the reasons; my justification might be out of whack.
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02:32:16 <kilobyte> "Error: no Hell exit level, how in the Vestibule did you get here?"
02:32:20 <kilobyte> |amethyst: <3 <3 <3
02:33:39 <due> kilobyte: they should cross it without issue
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02:34:46 <due> kilobyte: that kind of makes sense though
02:35:00 <due> but the idea is mostly to pin you down
02:35:08 <due> leaving an opening for the ophan = good though
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04:25:19 <due> NO
04:26:49 <kilobyte> YES
04:26:54 <kilobyte> MAYBE
04:27:24 <kilobyte> (but really, ENOCONTEXT)
04:27:49 <due> YES
04:27:51 <due> EWRONGWINDOW
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05:00:06 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1761-g3a0ba81
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06:14:16 <Gretell> Daggerfall (L11 DsTm) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (39,21) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
06:14:35 <alefury> is webtiles still super old?
06:15:20 <edlothiol> yes
06:16:05 <alefury> maybe it should be updated!
06:17:17 <edlothiol> indeed
06:19:05 <alefury> Napkin: could you update webtiles? 0.10 is actually being maintained, and it would be nice if webtiles players could take advantage of all the bugfixes.
06:19:26 <Napkin> <- sick at home
06:19:41 <alefury> so you have time to do crawl stuff!
06:19:50 <edlothiol> Napkin: that reminds me, I've got some script changes for you (actually not much, there aren't many changes required I believe)
06:19:51 <alefury> well, seriously, gute besserung
06:20:00 <Napkin> once the fever goes down, maybe ;)
06:20:00 <kilobyte> alefury: no need to drive him too hard
06:20:12 <alefury> i was kidding
06:20:36 <Napkin> kilobyte is actually ironic and meant you shouldn't be so gentle ;)
06:20:48 <kilobyte> alefury: I'd prefer all Napkin's steam to go into something useful in the future (the updater infrastructure) than an one-time manual update
06:20:52 <Napkin> und Danke, alefury :)
06:21:08 <Napkin> true, kilobyte
06:22:10 <kilobyte> alefury: let's hide the whip for now :p
06:22:17 <Napkin> :-P
06:24:25 <kilobyte> Napkin: care to talk about pre-packaged extra servers for the tournament?
06:24:52 <Napkin> wait, finishing up work
06:25:31 <kilobyte> no hurry, although I'm leaving in ~20 minutes
06:25:46 <Napkin> what do you mean with "pre-packaged extra servers" then?
06:25:52 <kilobyte> not an urgent matter, just something that can't be done 5 minutes before the tournament
06:26:35 <kilobyte> I mean, grabbing an Amazon instance or something, installing additional servers then shutting them down when no longer needed
06:26:46 <Napkin> hehe
06:26:53 <kilobyte> issues: 1. authentication, 2. logfiles, 3. ttyrecs
06:27:18 <Napkin> well, you know how much fun it is to setup a server with auto-update functionality
06:27:30 <kilobyte> authentication is complex and sensitive, yet also well-researched by others so there is no need to reinvent the wheel
06:27:58 <kilobyte> trunk may be tricky, but stable should be easy to do -- no need to care about upgrades/etc
06:28:22 <Napkin> tourney always required you to update stable
06:28:26 <kilobyte> I intend to do this as binary Debian packages, so upgrading is a single apt-get line
06:28:29 <Napkin> no need to automatism, but still
06:28:33 <alefury> with tournaments traditionally being right after a release they tend to require updates
06:28:47 <kilobyte> yeah, can be automated without any effort
06:29:15 <kilobyte> save compat doesn't change and thus the files can be replaced in-place
06:29:35 <kilobyte> (or strictly speaking, by dpkg creating a temp one and then moving over the original)
06:29:38 <Napkin> maybe you should pick up darshan's scripts, kilobyte?
06:30:02 <Napkin> as far as i know he did a pretty good job on those
06:30:19 <Napkin> but i've never used them, nor do i know the syntax to use them
06:30:31 <Napkin> while the theory behind it is the same used on CDO
06:30:42 <Napkin> but those were created at a time when there was no webtiles yet
06:30:49 <Napkin> so they need to be extended
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06:31:03 <kilobyte> they work on source, though, which makes it harder to set up dumb servers.  Dependencies and so on.
06:31:28 <Napkin> next step for cdo: try webtiles chrooted, try using one binary/data-folder for console and webtiles
06:31:40 <kilobyte> pre-compiled packages can be easily made co-installable too, with a small part of Darshan's scripts used to migrate saves
06:32:37 <Napkin> not sure it's that simple to pack everything in one package
06:32:49 <kilobyte> hmm... I just wonder, perhaps it could be used both for dumb servers and CDO?  Perhaps better to think small first, though.
06:33:02 <Napkin> no, think big
06:33:16 <kilobyte> why?  The directory with an installed Crawl, seems straightforward to me.
06:33:21 <Napkin> we're at a stage where it's too late for small already
06:33:26 <kilobyte> :p
06:33:33 <Napkin> installed crawl is one part
06:33:42 <Napkin> chroot + dgl is the next
06:33:55 <Napkin> making webtiles us it (configuration file)
06:34:10 <Napkin> making scores/milestones/logfiles available is another part
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06:34:40 <Napkin> can we finally agree on using a common authentication database?
06:34:51 <kilobyte> the package installs a configuration snippet, and generates the DGL config in postinst
06:35:09 <kilobyte> yeah, this is exactly what I wanted to talk to you about :)
06:35:27 <kilobyte> auth, logfiles and ttyrecs
06:35:40 <kilobyte> perhaps saves too, if a dumb server is being shut down
06:36:07 <Napkin> no idea how to keep make logiles and ttyrecs common
06:36:28 <Napkin> not sure there is a need for that, unless you want to shut down a "dump server"
06:36:46 <kilobyte> Henzell/Sequell use wget on flat files, right?
06:36:55 <Napkin> auth on the other hand.. let's do postgres replication? or mysql? or even something proprietary
06:37:11 <Napkin> yes
06:37:46 <kilobyte> so there would be a need to tell Henzell to fetch a new source of scores/logfiles/milestones
06:38:45 <kilobyte> for auth, I pondered 1. a single point of failure (temp servers auth on CDO), 2. something replicated.  The latter is better but can make adding users or changing passwords tricky.
06:42:09 <Napkin> someone should buy another server from hetzner finally
06:42:14 <Napkin> cdo is terribly overloaded
06:42:57 <kilobyte> possibly, yeah
06:43:03 <kilobyte> I've seen webtiles loads...
06:43:24 <Napkin> edlothiol optimized it a bit already, but i had no time to upgrade webtiles yet
06:44:20 <kilobyte> also, LTO compiles cut CPU use by like 25% at the cost of double compilation time (and gobs of memory during compilation), that's another low-hanging fruit
06:44:37 <Napkin> what's LTO?
06:44:44 <kilobyte> requires gcc-4.6, ie Debian wheezy, though
06:45:04 <kilobyte> link time optimizations, a compilation mode
06:45:32 <Napkin> as in.. time required for linking is reduced? would that help?
06:45:59 <kilobyte> I've prepared all stable Windows builds using LTO since 0.8, that's well-tested
06:46:03 <Napkin> or during link time there are optimizations which will lower load during execution?
06:46:11 <kilobyte> no, the time of linking is _massively_ increased
06:46:22 <kilobyte> by more than the whole compilation so far has taken
06:46:50 <kilobyte> but in return, the compiled binary is a good deal faster
06:47:48 <kilobyte> depends on the program in question, of course, but in Crawl's case, where there's a crapload of tiny accessor functions, gcc does a great job optimizing it once it can see the whole picture
06:50:03 <kilobyte> ie, you trade slower compilation for faster runtime, a no-brainer for stable versions where you compile several times at most and run it tens of thousand of times
06:52:13 <|amethyst> probably worse backtraces?
06:52:51 <kilobyte> gcc-4.5 had them unusable, in 4.6 they're not much worse than normal -O2
06:53:11 <|amethyst> that's not so bad then
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06:53:39 <|amethyst> btw, abyss time can be cut in half if we store two copies of grd
06:53:57 <|amethyst> or an extra attr per cell (when in abyss only)
06:54:01 <kilobyte> |amethyst: great
06:54:03 <|amethyst> not sure how best to do that though
06:54:18 <kilobyte> |amethyst: although in my profiling, almost all the time was spent generating Worley
06:54:44 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  my commit that fixed digging doubled the amount of worley
06:54:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  because we have to check what the cell was last tick
06:55:06 <kilobyte> got to go :(
06:55:12 <|amethyst> s/was/would have been if not for the player's actions/
06:55:15 <|amethyst> ciao
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07:06:54 <|amethyst> !tell kilobyte  I made the Worley thing an implementable (#5659).  Suggestions for implementation details are welcome.
07:06:55 <Henzell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let kilobyte know.
07:08:14 <Cheibriados> Compute Worley noise only once per turn (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5659) by neil
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07:29:47 <kilobyte> (back)  I wonder, what if means of changing the dungeon went all through a single interface?
07:29:48 <Henzell> kilobyte: You have 8 messages. Use !messages to read them.
07:30:03 <kilobyte> they already do, mostly, because of the LOS cache
07:31:39 <kilobyte> hrm, vaults.
07:32:20 <kilobyte> so it'd be a bit per cell, at the cost of more complexity.  Ie, let's go with your idea of remembering the feature instead.
07:39:08 <|amethyst> how to store it?  I'd prefer not to use the extra space when not in the abyss
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07:45:22 <kilobyte> it could be a pointer to a grid array, deleted whenever the Abyss is deleted as well
07:45:29 <kilobyte> doesn't have to be saved either
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09:57:04 <alefury> the web version of the knowledge bot monster thingy is broken
09:57:08 <alefury> it cuts off descriptions
09:57:23 <alefury> see: kraken
09:58:00 <alefury> might be related to the newly added line wrapping in descriptions
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11:30:58 <|amethyst> what would be the implications of Evolution as a demonspawn facet?
11:31:22 <|amethyst> it would have to be non-removable of course
11:31:23 <ChrisOelmueller> pure awesomeness combustions
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11:42:18 <alefury> |amethyst: you can nearly freeze your evolutionary state by wearing rMut. this might be problematic.
11:43:14 <alefury> i like the general idea, but i think the result would just be rMut as default amulet once you get a good mutation set
11:43:42 <evilmike> evolution as a DS facet sounds very scummable, assuming this would be a permanent mutation
11:44:05 <|amethyst> I guess that's true
11:44:06 <evilmike> they are weighted towards the positive, so if you need a certain mutation, just wait a bit
11:44:28 <alefury> evilmike: evolution doesnt work like that, you need to get exp to evolve
11:44:47 <evilmike> oh. Funny I never noticed that. It's good to hear
11:45:14 <alefury> still scummable in the way i mentioned though
11:46:05 <alefury> once you have what you want, you can wear rMut to keep it that way
11:46:48 <alefury> on the other hand, you first have to get there, and find rMut, and then wear rMut, so maybe that wouldnt be a problem
11:47:10 <alefury> necromut would be a bit worse than rMut, though
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11:52:59 <alefury> what about a prismatic facet, though? 1) dragonskin cloak effect, 2) elemental spells sometimes randomly get enhanced, 3) two pips of resist/enhance for the previous effects
11:53:49 <|amethyst> doesn't two pips of dragonskin mean rF + rC + rP ?
11:54:04 <|amethyst> seems kind of powerful
11:54:20 <alefury> also rElec and rAcid i think
11:54:27 <alefury> the point is, you cant rely on it
11:54:43 <|amethyst> oh, two pips as in 50% 0 pips, 50% two pips
11:54:45 <alefury> and the chance to resist can be tweaked
11:54:46 <|amethyst> not 100% one pip
11:54:49 <alefury> yes
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11:55:11 <alefury> stochastic elemental resistance
11:55:15 <|amethyst> or should that be 25% 0 pips, 50% one pip, 25% two pips?
11:55:35 <alefury> i think there should be a large chance to not resist
11:55:41 <alefury> maybe even higher than 50%
11:56:31 <alefury> in areas with lots of elemental stuff, it would replace the second pip you need, not the first
11:57:07 <alefury> as in, can fight orbs of fire decently well with just rF instead of rF++, because having rF half the time and rF+++ the other half is good enough
11:58:07 <alefury> the main point would be the boost to elemental magic anyway i think, because random resists are not super useful
11:59:12 <alefury> but sometimes killing a dude with one spell instead of two is actually quite helpful, because a primary caster WILL often run out of mana before all enemies are dead.
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11:59:44 <alefury> anyway, im not even really convinced this is a good idea, so...
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12:01:34 <alefury> could also make it a general critical hit facet. all your attacks do double damage 10%, 20%, 30% of the time.
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12:01:44 <alefury> (this is worse than a 30% damage boost)
12:01:54 <alefury> probably too much effort to code, though
12:02:18 <alefury> Ds facets need to be super awesome
12:02:28 <kilobyte> what about quadruple damage, but with extra noise, a blue glow and MESSAGES IN ALL CAPS?
12:02:40 <|amethyst> that would just be silly
12:02:41 <alefury> oh right, there is quad damage already
12:02:46 <alefury> so it would probably not be that horrible to code
12:03:29 <tswett> So, is there a list of classes DCSS uses?
12:03:38 <tswett> Classes as in object classes, not character classes.
12:03:46 <kilobyte> need to sneak it back as something else than a nigh-unobtainable gimmick in a single sprint map :p
12:03:51 <|amethyst> tswett:  not a single list, no
12:03:54 <tswett> (Object as in struct with benefits, not item.  }:P)
12:04:03 <kilobyte> tswett: "git grep" can tell you that
12:04:09 <|amethyst> tswett:  though you can build one by running some kind of code analysis
12:04:50 <|amethyst> ctags even
12:06:06 <alefury> kilobyte: 10% to do double, triple, quad damage would probably be a better progression than 10%, 20%, 30% to do double
12:06:56 <alefury> but also probably more annoying than fun, because inevitably the criticals will always happen when you attack the ufetubi, not the ynoxinul
12:07:32 <|amethyst> tswett:  I could 319 classes and structs defined in trunk
12:08:20 <|amethyst> grep -c $'\t[sc]\t' tags    with ctags-exuberant
12:10:00 <|amethyst> s/could/count/
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12:10:19 <evilmike> was quad damage ever obtainable by misc aquirement?
12:10:26 <alefury> yes
12:10:37 <alefury> iirc it was
12:10:44 <alefury> but i might not be recalling correctly
12:11:04 <evilmike> I don't think it would be too unreasonable there. Powerful item, sure, but you'd have to risk misc aquirement to get it, instead of picking a more reliable acquirement option
12:13:26 <alefury> arcane facet: MR, wild magic 1, slight wizardry
12:13:28 <alefury> way too good?
12:13:54 <tswett> |amethyst: what does the dollar sign do in that command?
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12:17:52 <|amethyst> tswett:  it's bash syntax for embedding backslash-escapes inside an otherwise quoted string
12:18:00 <|amethyst> tswett:  it turns the \t into real tabs
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12:18:54 <alefury> oh, so thats how that works
12:19:09 <alefury> i was wondering how to do that!
12:20:25 * tswett nods.
12:20:38 <|amethyst> bash-specific, so please don't use it in #! /bin/sh scripts
12:21:18 <alefury> well, i was specifically wondering how to use tabs in grep strings, and as per your example it can do that
12:21:36 <|amethyst> you can also include a literal tab on the command line with ctrl-v tab
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12:22:03 <|amethyst> (has to be in quotes of course, otherwise it's just IFS)
12:22:36 <alefury> i hate this kind of syntax fiddling. it makes me so angry when things dont just work. :(
12:24:24 <|amethyst> shell is one of the most... idiosyncratic... programming languages I know, excepting things like Intercal that are intentionally so
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12:41:50 <tswett> You know, the function name startup_step() really isn't very descriptive.
12:42:20 <tswett> I'm tempted to go through the source code and simply annotate every function with a brief description of what it does...
12:44:15 <ChrisOelmueller> i'm tempted to take bets when you will stop and come back insulting the devs :o
12:44:25 <Zannick> some people have been doing that
12:45:21 <tswett> I'm tempted to stop saying I'm tempted to do things and start actually doing them.
12:45:24 * tswett coughs.
12:45:30 <|amethyst> my favourite function name is thing_do_grammar
12:45:39 <Zannick> heh
12:46:06 <|amethyst> my favourite struct member is probably monsterentry.corpse_thingy
12:46:21 <|amethyst> and "beem" is always a great variable name
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12:51:21 <|amethyst> ussdefiant:  up to summoning duration 6, which is possible to get even with no skill:  2 + random2(5 + invo*3/4)  capped at 6
12:51:24 <|amethyst> doh
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17:52:53 <galehar> very interesting interview of blackmesa's project leader: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/05/09/interview-what-happened-to-black-mesa-source-part-1/
17:52:53 <Henzell> galehar: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
17:53:16 <galehar> and http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/05/10/what-happened-to-black-mesa-source-part-two/
17:53:19 <galehar> !messages
17:53:20 <Henzell> (1/1) elliptic said (3d 8h 49m 53s ago): Currently l_item_do_subtype() is leaking lots of information, since it returns item->sub_type regardless of whether that is known. Why is it returning item->sub_type anyway? Shouldn't it use something like sub_type_string?
17:54:05 <Cheibriados> Aptitudes list not available on character creation screen (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5660) by xnmojo
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18:01:33 <galehar> elliptic: how about using get_item_info()
18:03:21 <elliptic> that looks good, though I still am not very familiar with item code
18:07:45 <kilobyte> galehar: oooh, I waited for you to talk about a few translation issues.  Got a while?
18:08:23 <galehar> I'm on my way to bed, but I have 10 minutes or so
18:09:21 <kilobyte> 1. for changing English text from transifex, wouldn't it be better to change the files in-place?
18:09:39 <kilobyte> this way you could use git to diff/patch/partially add/whatever outright
18:11:13 <kilobyte> 2. I looked into the FAQ.  After a thought, I don't think anymore there is real need to allow translations to add items.  So only three issues remain there:
18:11:20 <galehar> hmm, but that's what I'm doing
18:11:53 <kilobyte> "* Changes to the english text pulled from transifex are into their own subdirectory instead of overwritting the source files."
18:12:16 <kilobyte> (I didn't actually run it, so I may be misunderstanding the commit message)
18:13:02 <galehar> yeah, but when you run make mk-txt, the pulled files are merged into the .txt
18:13:18 <kilobyte> 2a. the order of FAQ entries would need to be preserved (can fix this up in the code somehow, or encode the numbering in the keys)
18:13:21 <kilobyte> ah cool
18:14:04 <galehar> it's just that some .ini are generated from the .txt, to be pushed to transifex as sources. Files pulled don't overwrite them anymore
18:14:12 <galehar> order is preserved now
18:15:09 <kilobyte> 2b. would need to format bulleted lists somehow -- using blank lines would break tinyterms, and checking for ^\* is no good as * is also used for pseudo-HTML markup.  One option would be U+2022 • instead, requiring manual fixups on committing.
18:15:17 <galehar> if we need to allow key creation, I was thinking that maybe we could have a syntax to create a key local to a string
18:15:46 <kilobyte> (as translators can't be expected to use anything above '*')
18:16:35 <kilobyte> 3c. FAQ2html.pl uses a bunch of private markups translators would have to obey
18:16:47 <kilobyte> s/3c/2c/
18:16:58 <kilobyte> not sure if anything uses FAQ2html, even, though
18:18:31 <galehar> for FAQ, we can just don't touch the format and expect translators to use the same as the original
18:19:18 <galehar> or automatically convert s/^* / to something pretty
18:21:00 <HangedMan> the wizlab lm hits make ?: not show the wizlab name anymore, boo
18:21:16 <kilobyte> I meant using • as a special mark, not for its looks
18:21:57 <kilobyte> but I just realized we can have blank lines separating paragraphs in the source, eliminated when the FAQ is displayed
18:22:19 <kilobyte> a bit hacky, but simpler than alternatives I have came up with so far
18:22:49 <kilobyte> s/paragraphs/items in bulleted lists/
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18:24:11 <kilobyte> and the last issue for today: how should we name the big function that would replace mprf()?  Don't laugh -- it's better to come up with something good because it'd be used in thousands of places.
18:24:48 <kilobyte> I'd also want a variant of it to be a method of class actor, doing a similar task to current simple_monster_message()
18:25:37 <kilobyte> the function arguments are something for a loooong c-r-d mail, but got to name it somehow
18:25:58 <galehar> ok, I'll think about it and let you know :)
18:26:04 * galehar sleeps
18:26:10 <Zannick> display_message
18:26:23 <Zannick> display_message_formatted
18:26:51 <kilobyte> Zannick: that'd give us Cobol fingers
18:27:34 <Zannick> fmessage
18:27:38 <galehar> mpri (i for internationalization)
18:28:12 <Zannick> and mprfi? (we still want the f for the formatted version)
18:28:33 <Zannick> or merge them together
18:29:57 <galehar> just have one name and overloead it
18:30:06 <kilobyte> Zannick: having a separate formatted and non-formatted version would be a massive code duplication, and dynamic format strings are no good anyway because a script has to harvest them
18:30:16 <Zannick> kilobyte: we already have mpr and mprf
18:30:20 <galehar> oh, I had a question too
18:30:24 <kilobyte> so in such cases I'd rather mpr(translate(...)) or such
18:30:46 <Zannick> yeah, format + translation might not work well
18:30:53 <galehar> if we want foo and bar to have the same description or quote, could we set bar to <foo> or something?
18:31:58 <kilobyte> @foo@ would probably make people think db-style replacements work
18:32:31 <kilobyte> so <foo> or something like that could indeed be better
18:32:58 <galehar> could be useful
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18:33:39 <kilobyte> s/\./s\1/
18:41:13 <alefury> !message |amethyst you da monsta man? monster descriptions get cut off after linebreaks (i.e. after 80 cols since recently) in the html knowledge bot interface. a fix would be awesome.
18:41:29 <alefury> oh right. cant message |amethyst
18:41:45 <alefury> but shouldnt there be an error message from the bot?
18:41:51 <alefury> anyway:
18:42:00 <alefury> |amethyst: you da monsta man? monster descriptions get cut off after linebreaks (i.e. after 80 cols since recently) in the html knowledge bot interface. a fix would be awesome.
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18:53:49 <elliptic> !tell alefury it is !tell, not !message :)
18:53:50 <Henzell> elliptic: OK, I'll let alefury know.
19:01:26 <Zannick> i think !tell still breaks on |amethyst
19:01:57 <Zannick> !tell |amethyst disregard this, it means !tell works
19:01:57 <Henzell> I don't grok. Syntax is !tell PERSON MESSAGE.
19:02:01 <Zannick> yep.
19:02:08 <evilmike> i think it works if you omit the |
19:02:16 <Zannick> maybe
19:02:25 <Zannick> but then does "amethyst" get it or |amethyst ?
19:02:45 <evilmike> probably both
19:02:52 <Zannick> huh
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19:03:39 <evilmike> !tell evilmike2 hello this is a test message
19:03:40 <Henzell> evilmike: OK, I'll let evilmike2 know.
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19:03:47 <|evilmike2> blah blah blah
19:03:47 <Henzell> |evilmike2: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
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19:04:11 <Zannick> :(
19:04:55 <Zannick> makes sense that it's done that way, but ugh.
19:05:00 <evilmike> well, it
19:05:09 <evilmike> 's not like "amethyst" will ever join here
19:05:18 <Zannick> :P
19:06:27 <XnMojo> Hey guys. I've never submitted anything to Mantis before, but I submitted 2 tiles for jackals and jackal corpses last night. Would you let me know if I did everything correctly?
19:11:17 <XnMojo> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5655
19:12:52 <Eronarn> looks good
19:17:28 <evilmike> You don't need to provide a corpse tile
19:18:42 <XnMojo> evilmike: why no corpse tile?
19:18:55 <evilmike> those are automatically generated
19:19:18 <dtsund> When does env.dactions_done get reset to 0?
19:19:20 <XnMojo> oh really? thats cool. thanks
19:19:38 <dtsund> Or where, rather
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19:57:48 <CIA-115> 03elliptic * ra84fdaa7edbe 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Make Urug stronger than an orc warrior.
20:01:56 <ophanim> urug buff
20:01:59 <ophanim> unf
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20:34:31 <Henzell> I don't grok. Syntax is !tell PERSON MESSAGE.
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20:35:34 <ophanim> I am surprised you could even do that
20:36:12 <res> do what?
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22:25:42 <Gretell> yogaFLAME (L22 DrWz) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 942 failed. (Abyss)
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23:33:42 <Giomancer> Do ghosts keep buffs they had in life?
23:33:52 <Giomancer> Or equipment?
23:40:28 <CIA-115> 03elliptic * r8b3edee6c8f9 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Simplify demonspawn mutation-picking code by making body-slot mutations a separate tier.
23:40:44 <CIA-115> 03elliptic * rbc7cee15cf30 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mutation.cc mutation.h): Demonspawn mutation ordering improvements.
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