00:01:47 <|amethyst> dtsund:  pushed, 0.11-a0-1638-ga601d65
00:04:07 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1580-g33d826f (33)
00:06:58 <|amethyst> hm
00:07:10 <|amethyst> CDO's repo seems to still be stuck
00:07:51 <elliptic> Napkin: ^^
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00:14:19 <dtsund> |amethyst: Thanks.
00:19:42 <Henzell> crate the Sorcerer (L27 HOEE) ASSERT((int)levels_seen <= brdepth[branch]) in 'place-info.cc' at line 41 failed on turn 137321. (Zig:1)
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04:05:43 <kilobyte> !tell dtsund 27 is correct, BRANCH_DUNGEON_DEPTH is not -- I removed it, it'd be like having an one-use enum for every branch instead of just writing that in branch_data.h and ng-init.cc
04:05:43 <Henzell> kilobyte: OK, I'll let dtsund know.
04:10:12 <Cheibriados> Output bug message when joining religion (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5625) by shane
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04:41:28 <kilobyte> <insert a load of profanity here> the lack of CIA
04:42:12 <kilobyte> just overhauled ^O handling of D, so did |amethyst.  And both commits are not fully redundant.
04:43:27 <due> :| ouch
04:46:24 <kilobyte> due: you don't happen to know about the way CDO polls Gitorious, do you?
04:48:18 <due> no, soz
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07:41:19 <clouded_> um, so how do multi level sprints work?
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07:56:06 <Ragdoll> clouded_: by going into abyss, then head to lair:9
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08:19:30 <Gretell> Postmodernist (L2 GhGl)  (D:2)
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08:32:37 <edlothiol> kilobyte: thanks for the printf thing and the fixes :)
08:33:51 <kilobyte> probably a good idea to pick the % thing to 0.10, although with it not being updated, this is kind of a moot point
08:35:41 <edlothiol> yes
08:41:13 <alefury> clouded_: ask kilobyte :P
08:41:32 <alefury> (about multi-level sprints)
08:44:50 <kilobyte> clouded_: you'd have to change brdepth[BRANCH_MAIN_DUNGEON] somehow
08:45:11 <|amethyst> speaking of which, what's up with zotdef?
08:45:23 <|amethyst> I noticed that brdepth[BRANCH_MAIN_DUNGEON] is 27 there
08:45:25 <kilobyte> there's a hack for saving/restoring sprint games that assumes there's only one level, too
08:45:57 <kilobyte> |amethyst: that's one of differences between my overhaul of ^O and yours :p
08:46:13 <kilobyte> (pushing)
08:47:19 <|amethyst> ah, there wasn't a deal :)
08:47:33 <|amethyst> s/there.*deal/nothing was up/
08:47:46 <kilobyte> also, mine was shorter as I didn't special-case the Dungeon, but uglier wrt the alignment of Dungeon = "Zot" in zotdef because, well, I didn't special-case the dungeon
08:48:35 <kilobyte> prettier interface > prettier code
08:48:56 <|amethyst> "Zot    " as opposed to "    Zot" you mean?
08:49:11 <kilobyte> yeah
08:49:18 <|amethyst> if anyone adds two more branches to zotdef it will be inconsistent :)
08:50:15 <kilobyte> I wonder if we could use actual Zot instead of repainting D
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08:54:03 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  if branches[] were non-const, you could just swap the BRANCH_MAIN_DUNGEON and BRANCH_HALL_OF_ZOT entries :)
08:54:48 <|amethyst> not sure how much stuff uses 0 as a magic branch number
08:55:30 <|amethyst> actually, dgn-overview.cc is the only occurrence of "branches[0]", so maybe it's not so bad
08:57:23 <alefury> what about using branch number as a boolean?
08:57:45 <alefury> hm, probably i should just stfu because i have no idea what youre talking about :)
08:57:45 <|amethyst> that could happen
08:58:33 <kilobyte> |amethyst: ie, we can move showing the Dungeon inside the loop below after all :p
09:02:35 <|amethyst> I should have done that in the first place
09:03:09 <|amethyst> hm, let's see what happens when we put zotdef in zot
09:03:21 <kilobyte> galehar: I just pushed a commit to label deep mimics as "ravenous", without any actual changes yet
09:03:23 <|amethyst> long-ass compilation is what heppens
09:03:29 <|amethyst> s/hep/hap/
09:04:27 <kilobyte> lang=jäger says it's "heppens" :)
09:04:34 <clouded_> kilobyte: oh I thought it was doable as is... evilmike seemed to suggest it was
09:04:58 <Cheibriados> Restoring from save while training a single weapon skill disables training (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5626) by jejorda2
09:05:07 <kilobyte> clouded_: if you have an idea for such a sprint, tell me which branches you'd want to mess with
09:07:54 <clouded_> well I was thinking it would just be like placing encompass vaults from D:1 to D:whatever, being able to use branches would be nice to get around the 3 stair limit though
09:08:41 <kilobyte> actually, you can use ENTER_PORTAL_BRANCH with a destination of, say, D:17
09:09:24 <kilobyte> currently it will always push the current level onto the stack, but that can be changed
09:09:53 <|amethyst> well, just starting in Zot... starts in Zot
09:10:47 <|amethyst> oh, I see
09:13:03 <kilobyte> ending the game is tied to taking any upstair from D:1, could tie that to DNGN_EXIT_DUNGEON instead
09:15:12 <kilobyte> oh, the hack for D length in sprint is not needed anymore; axing it
09:15:57 <kilobyte> clouded_: so what about a lua function that allows setting a branch's depth?
09:16:17 <kilobyte> clouded_: one problem, though: we'd need some way to tell deeper levels which sprint to use
09:16:54 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  my ^O changes display the branch depth after the /
09:17:02 <|amethyst> s/depth/length/
09:17:15 <Zaba> maybe it would be simpler to have sprint a separate branch?
09:18:04 <kilobyte> Zaba: perhaps, yeah... wouldn't remove the need to label sprint levels though
09:19:15 <Zaba> yes, but D would probably be less of a special-case mess then
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09:21:41 <|amethyst> hm, hall_of_Zot_1 is causing problems
09:26:26 <clouded_> kilobyte: I remember greensnark mentioning something about possibly making a vault thing that guarantees if vault_a is placed that the next level has vault_b on it and so on, that would be cool for regular multilevel vaults aswell as sprints
09:44:06 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  is DNGN_EXIT_DUNGEON the only way to leave D:1 now
09:44:07 <|amethyst> ?
09:46:59 <|amethyst> I was worried about nicolae_entry_your_instructions but it uses an escape hatch mimic so that's okay
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10:09:15 <kilobyte> |amethyst: currently only display changes, any upstairs work
10:09:54 <kilobyte> |amethyst: I ponder changing that though, so for example tutorials would be able to exit on a lower level
10:10:01 <|amethyst> I decided on player_in_branch(BRANCH_MAIN_DUNGEON) && you.depth == 1 || stair_find == DNGN_EXIT_DUNGEON
10:10:22 <|amethyst> which will let things do just that by placing exit_dungeon specifically
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10:18:35 <phyphor> ??ecumenical temple
10:18:36 <Henzell> ecumenical temple[1/5]: Accessed from the main dungeon somewhere between levels 4 and 7. Is notable mainly for a complete lack of monster spawning as well as potentially containing an altar to almost every deity in the game. Beginners: If the entrance is blocked by translucent rock walls, you have to stand near each wall and search a bit for a door.
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10:24:29 <Cheibriados> Acquirement can give items your god dislikes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5627) by minmay
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11:28:42 <kilobyte> since Napkin doesn't seem to be around, I'm trying to update CDO manually
11:29:06 <kilobyte> can't force-push to CDO's local repository, though
11:29:19 <kilobyte> or check why it's stuck
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11:33:26 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1654-g3f28b40 (33)
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11:36:28 <Napkin> in warsaw, kilobyte ;)
11:36:34 <Napkin> back sunday
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11:51:02 <|amethyst> whereabouts in Poland is Kilobyte?
11:51:17 <|amethyst> sounds like we need an impromptu crawl conference
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12:29:00 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  I pushed a branch "zotdef-in-zot" with my work
12:29:14 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  I still need to do testing, particularly with old saves
12:30:25 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  it should allow things like a "lair-only" game mode
12:33:47 <Cheibriados> New branch created: zotdef-in-zot (2 commits)
12:33:50 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  old saves seem to work fine, though I may have missed some weird edge cases
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12:53:45 <rast> so why an ecumenical temple anyway
12:54:12 <rast> instead of scattering *all* the altars on dl2-9
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12:57:31 <clouded_> overflow altars only started to exist a few versions ago
12:57:41 <clouded_> and it's nice to have an initial goal for new players: get to the temple
12:58:37 <elliptic> also it is nice that the altar distribution isn't just uniform scatter... usually you get a couple, then you get temple and get most of the rest, then you get the last few
12:59:20 <rast> so why temple as a branch instead of a vault?
13:01:54 <elliptic> why not? having it be a separate level means that vaultmakers have more room to play rather than having to cram together 10 altars
13:02:33 <ChrisOelmueller> before attempting to fix a problem i'd like to understand why the branch solution is bad
13:14:47 <rast> its the most useless branch
13:15:09 <rast> you visit it once, spend a few turns there, then leave forever
13:15:18 <rast> maybe one more visit to switch gods
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13:15:31 <ChrisOelmueller> i do usually spend a lot more turns in temple than in blade
13:15:44 <rast> yeah blade should go too
13:15:49 <rast> but at least you can fight in blade
13:16:10 <rast> you can stash in temple but thats not much differnt from stashing on the dl5 upstairs
13:16:49 <dtsund> kilobyte: Fair enough, and I approve of removing that particular const.
13:16:50 <Henzell> dtsund: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
13:16:53 <dtsund> !messages
13:16:54 <Henzell> (1/1) kilobyte said (9h 11m 11s ago): 27 is correct, BRANCH_DUNGEON_DEPTH is not -- I removed it, it'd be like having an one-use enum for every branch instead of just writing that in branch_data.h and ng-init.cc
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14:39:38 <clouded_> hmm, I supposed it would be possible to use portal vaults in a sprint too?
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15:01:22 <elliptic> !lm . crash -log
15:01:26 <Sequell> 15. hyperbolic, XL27 DsTm, T:67197 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/hyperbolic/crash-hyperbolic-20120410-211935.txt
15:02:23 <elliptic> http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/elliptic/crash-elliptic-20120502-200040.txt
15:02:39 <elliptic> seems to have something to do with a fountain mimic...
15:03:46 <Zannick> was something on the fountain?
15:04:04 <elliptic> don't know
15:05:39 <alefury> i just crashed while fighting a kraken zombie in tar:7
15:05:56 <alefury> it had a health bar? maybe it was just a normal kraken and i didnt notice
15:06:05 <alefury> something about an assert in misc.cc
15:06:30 <alefury> must have been a normal kraken i guess
15:06:50 <alefury> although that would be really weird
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15:08:25 <alefury> ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1170 failed.
15:09:41 <alefury> oh, and the crash was on killing the kraken, via killing the tentacle. and it was a spectral kraken
15:10:09 <alefury> ill eat something, report later if necessary
15:11:35 <alefury> local tiles btw
15:12:36 <elliptic> someone else got the same crash as me: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/nooodl/crash-nooodl-20120502-200654.txt
15:12:55 <elliptic> I wonder if fountain mimics just always crash currently or something
15:12:56 <Henzell> swinepaste the Unseen (L22 KoAs) ASSERT(branches[place.branch].numlevels > 1 || !diff) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 537 failed on turn 92527. (Abyss)
15:13:05 <G-Flex> damn
15:13:09 <G-Flex> that whole abyss trip gone
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15:14:34 <elliptic> also I wonder why Sequell isn't reporting these crashes...
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15:22:19 <elliptic> hm, I don't know how to create a fountain mimic to test this
15:22:54 <elliptic> oh, &M feature mimic
15:25:33 <elliptic> looks like any deep feature mimic causes a crash
15:25:43 <elliptic> presumably something to do with the "ravenous" addition
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15:27:39 <elliptic> oh haha
15:28:08 <elliptic> mg.cls = item ? MONS_RAVENOUS_ITEM_MIMIC : MONS_RAVENOUS_ITEM_MIMIC;
15:30:57 <elliptic> kilobyte: would be good to update CDO to fix this crash
15:39:56 <galehar> kilobyte: monsters' stats isn't my strong point. If you or anyone else want to give stats to the new mimic types that would be nice.
15:39:56 <Henzell> galehar: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
15:40:01 <galehar> !messages
15:40:01 <Henzell> (1/1) dtsund said (1d 20h 23m 29s ago): Light calculations at http://pastebin.com/Lab0Ez0V ; need to know how many floors are being cut from SS to repeat for it.  Also, I arbitrarily decided here that !mut and !curemut were strategic, and you might disagree with that.
15:41:24 <galehar> regarding constriction, I'd say leave it to ravenous and monstrous. inept could get hold (no damage) and normal mimic a weak constriction, but when the implementation allows it.
15:46:55 <dtsund> galehar: How many floors are being cut?  Just two from Crypt, three from Vaults, two from Elf?
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15:54:15 <galehar> dtsund: for now yes
15:54:27 <galehar> I think that will be enough for 0.11
15:55:07 <galehar> We might add a dwarven floor, but I have some doubts about it being ready for release
15:55:55 <dtsund> Offhand, I think that's about a 1/9 length reduction overall for pre-endgame.
15:56:08 <dtsund> Well, pre-extended.
15:57:08 <dtsund> So if you want to do something like what I linked, about a 12.5% increase in strategic item generation
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15:57:44 <galehar> ok
15:57:55 <galehar> not sure if we actually want to :)
15:58:13 <dtsund> Fair enough.
15:58:16 <galehar> the point is not to reduce the length of the game, but also the amount of XP/loot
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15:58:42 <dtsund> (Kind of had to do it with my reduction, because a 1/3 reduction would throw things very seriously off-kilter.)
15:59:02 <galehar> also, if we add locked loot chambers to lair branches, they are likely to have good items, so it might compensate a bit
15:59:12 <dtsund> Yeah, probably.
16:00:26 <galehar> good news for windows users! msysgit 1.7.10 (released Apr 9th) supports unicode. Yay!
16:09:31 <Gretell> xw (L7 FeBe) ERROR in 'stairs.cc' at line 539: no return path from a portal (Sewer) (Sewer)
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16:49:36 <Cheibriados> Crash when exploring in crypt (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5628) by mindlar
16:54:00 <alefury> galehar: is there a command to update? or do i have to download the new netinstaller?
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16:57:57 <alefury> also, i guess ill report that kraken crash :/
17:04:50 <Cheibriados> Spectral kraken crash (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5629) by Galefury
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17:07:19 <vivec_> is there any way to guarantee for a pair of boots to actually be, a pair of boots? because I have it as "pair of boots ego:running" and sometimes its bardings
17:08:00 <alefury> haha, the function with the assert handles monsters bleeding on the floor
17:08:27 <alefury> vivec_: use wizmode :P
17:08:47 <vivec_> :P
17:10:29 <galehar> alefury: not sure. I dl the new installer, but I even had to rm my old msysgit folder because it made installation failed.
17:11:22 <galehar> kilobyte, |amethyst: how about setting .RECIPEPREFIX =    #
17:11:39 <galehar> that would allow us to use the same formatting in the Makefile as the rest of the source
17:12:01 <galehar> mixing tabs and spaces is crazy, and a pain to edit
17:13:40 <kilobyte> not if there's exactly one tab (or any fixed number)
17:14:01 <kilobyte> is there an editor bad enough to have even a modicum of problems with this?
17:14:30 <kilobyte> galehar: hmm, somehow gods.txt got deleted from Transifex
17:17:06 <Zannick> how about 0 as the fixed number of tabs? ;)
17:19:36 <galehar> kilobyte: I deleted gods.txt from transifex
17:19:44 <kilobyte> galehar: uhm, why?
17:19:48 <galehar> since it has been moved to db
17:20:08 <kilobyte> a small part of it did...
17:20:27 <galehar> oh
17:20:28 <kilobyte> (surnames)
17:20:43 <kilobyte> what's left are actual descriptions, of gods and their powers
17:20:55 <galehar> ok, will push back the strip down version then
17:21:36 <kilobyte> the surnames were a multiple choice thingy, that confused your transifex scripts (they formatted the weights together with a choice's body)
17:21:49 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1657-g0f90053 (33)
17:23:13 <galehar> yeah, the weight got unwrapped. Won't be a problem in db since we won't touch wrapping there
17:24:02 <galehar> kilobyte: I configured my editor to insert 4 spaces when I press tab. Obviously it doesn't work when I edit the makefile.
17:24:22 <galehar> it's a pain to have a different config for one file as for the rest of the source
17:26:24 <Zannick> you can do something like bind f3 to :%s/^(^I*)    /\1^I/
17:26:25 <galehar> and gods are back on transifex
17:26:31 <kilobyte> doesn't vi (and emacs, and ...) use different settings per each file type already?
17:27:33 <kilobyte> I think that's in the default config already
17:27:52 <galehar> default config is to insert tabs
17:28:13 <galehar> I had to set expandtab in .vimrc
17:28:50 <galehar> doesn't seem to be per file type configuration to me
17:28:56 <galehar> I guess there is a way
17:29:44 <galehar> I thought having consistent formatting of all our source files was a better one than each dev fiddling with their settings
17:31:04 <kilobyte> except every single project uses the same standard for Makefiles...
17:31:15 <kilobyte> it'd be a pain to explain any deviations to new contributors
17:31:51 <kilobyte> autocmd FileType make setlocal noexpandtab
17:32:38 <galehar> well, then use only tabs. They are lines in the makefile where a 2 level indentation is done with 1 tab and 4 spaces. Isn't it crazy?
17:33:52 <kilobyte> # vim:set noexpandtab:
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17:44:33 <galehar> before, crawl used SDL for graphics instead of OpenGL, right? When was that?
17:46:08 <kilobyte> 0.4, I think
17:50:38 <kilobyte> hrm, the makefile of 0.4 has 469874698376 hard-coded paths
17:54:26 <Henzell> crate the Conqueror (L27 HOEE) ASSERT(branches[place.branch].numlevels > 1 || !diff) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 537 failed on turn 139661. (Zig:17)
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17:56:28 <Henzell> mindlar the Sorcerer (L27 DEFE) ERROR in 'traps.cc' at line 1700: placeholder trap type 16 used (Slime:1)
17:56:53 <Henzell> mindlar the Sorcerer (L27 DEFE) ERROR in 'traps.cc' at line 1700: placeholder trap type 16 used (Slime:1)
17:56:59 <Henzell> crate the Conqueror (L27 HOEE) ASSERT(branches[place.branch].numlevels > 1 || !diff) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 537 failed on turn 139701. (Zig:17)
18:03:41 <kilobyte> it uses internal structures of an ancient version of libpng, too
18:05:25 <kilobyte> got it working... a huge increase in speed
18:06:27 <Cheibriados> ASSERT(branches[place.branch].numlevels > 1 || !diff) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 537 failed (in zig) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5631) by crate
18:06:27 <Cheibriados> Crash in slime (bad trap?) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5630) by mindlar
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18:14:00 <Gretell> xw (L6 FeBe) ERROR in 'stairs.cc' at line 539: no return path from a portal (Sewer) (Sewer)
18:15:08 <kilobyte> it's just that one game, right?
18:18:15 <kilobyte> http://rustyandco.com/comic/level-6-17/
18:18:53 <nicolae-> floor mimics.
18:20:40 <HangedMan> fr unrand kraken sweater
18:21:47 <kilobyte> NetHack has lurkers above, I guess that counts as ceiling mimics
18:22:08 <HangedMan> skeleton mimics
18:22:11 <HangedMan> corpse mimics
18:22:16 <nicolae-> everything should have a mimic!
18:22:34 <Zannick> player mimic
18:22:36 <nicolae-> wall mimic, floor mimic, ceiling mimic, water mimic.
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18:22:59 <Zannick> You kneel at the altar to Xom. Wait, that god is a mimic!
18:23:49 <HangedMan> fr let monsters wield mimics
18:24:15 <nicolae-> mimic god. altars look like altars of other gods.
18:24:16 <Zannick> fr let statue mimics wield weapon mimics
18:24:26 <kilobyte> Zannick: <3
18:24:27 <Zannick> and wear armour mimics
18:24:44 <Zannick> and cast orb of destruction mimics
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18:25:53 <nicolae-> a mimic mimic, it looks like an inept mimic, but then is really a harder mimic
18:26:20 <Wensley> mimic mimic mimic: looks like a hard mimic impersonating an inept mimic, but is actually antaeus
18:26:51 <kilobyte> finite recursion is for the weak! :p
18:27:22 <HangedMan> mimic unique, has the old teleporting and diguise behaviour but also the consitriction and damage of new mimics
18:27:26 <nicolae-> recursion mimic.
18:27:30 <Wensley> kilobyte: my mimics are not turing-complete
18:27:56 <Eronarn> glowing mimic shapeshifter unique
18:28:29 <nicolae-> new unique, Turing, randomly removes the game's ability to add, subtract, divide, or multiply, throwing off all the calculations
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18:28:55 <HangedMan> comes with adders and subtractors
18:29:09 <HangedMan> fr: bring back subtractor but use it as a unique
18:29:33 <kilobyte> nicolae-: that would push an iStuff port even more, anything Turing-complete is not allowed on the App Store
18:29:46 <nicolae-> half-adder, which tends to congregate with other half-adders, seven half-adders = one full adder
18:29:49 <Eronarn> there were more subtractors, but it subtracted them all
18:30:08 <nicolae-> what was wrong with subtractors, anyway
18:30:14 <HangedMan> too klowny
18:30:19 <Wensley> nicolae-: I think turing would try to have a conversation with the player and convince him that it was not a machine. however, there's a 50% chance that any encounter with turing is actually just N7 on the other end (N7 will also try to convince you he is not a machine)
18:30:19 <Eronarn> so we're only left with adders :(
18:30:40 <nicolae-> why not multipliers
18:30:48 <HangedMan> wensley: are we even sure n78291 isn't a machine
18:30:50 <Wensley> Eronarn: you can implement subtractors via adders as long as you have overflow
18:31:12 <Wensley> Eronarn: what I am saying is a vault with MAXINT+1 adders
18:31:18 <Eronarn> imaginary snake
18:31:37 <Eronarn> if you multiply two of them together you get a subtractor
18:31:37 <nicolae-> new portal branch, flatland. all kinds of math themed monsters.
18:32:14 <Eronarn> if you like this conversation, try hydra slayer
18:32:40 <HangedMan> http://ded.increpare.com/~locus/MathLand/
18:37:37 <nicolae-> math based hydra slaying. well, i'm sold. so long dungeon crawl.
18:40:18 <Eronarn> nicolae-: it's a shame the tiles for it are so bad because the core gameplay mechanic is great fun
18:40:40 <nicolae-> i just tried it and i died and the game didn't end and i ended up with -100 hp before xing out. hrm.
18:41:03 <nicolae-> fr hydras with more math-based head regrowth.
18:41:25 <nicolae-> exponential hydras? fibonacci hydras? prime hydras?
18:41:38 <nicolae-> the fabled Aleph-Null Hydra
18:42:44 <Eronarn> nicolae-: yeah, it's intentional (but weird, yes)
18:42:53 <nicolae-> oh, how does the game end then
18:43:03 <Eronarn> you have to hit escape and start a new game, or something
18:43:22 <Wensley> is this some math game
18:43:27 <nicolae-> yes.
18:43:28 <Wensley> for kids
18:43:29 <Eronarn> Wensley: yes go play it if you like math games
18:43:32 <Eronarn> it's a roguelike
18:43:38 <Wensley> okay so it is not like math blaster
18:43:44 <Eronarn> just go play it
18:43:45 <nicolae-> http://roguetemple.com/z/hydra.php
18:44:00 <nicolae-> are you talking smack about math blaster *knocks over a table*
18:45:22 <Wensley> now I remember why crawl is the only roguelike I can play. because I only ever had the patience and the gullibility to ever learn a single roguelike :|
18:46:22 <nicolae-> the dark-blue-on-black text does not do hydra slayer any favors
18:46:55 <Eronarn> yeah it could really use some work to make it more usable
18:47:06 <nicolae-> zot monster. exponential hydra. it does damage as if it had 2^n heads.
18:47:08 <Eronarn> also, it could be a bit faster
18:47:16 <Eronarn> the first 5 or so levels are pretty repetitive
18:47:21 <HangedMan> ...wow, hex, tiles, and fpp
18:50:45 <nicolae-> an n-headed exponential hydra does between 2^(n-1) and 2^n damage with each hit. max 8 heads.
18:51:37 <HangedMan> hydra ouroborus, just attacks for infinity damage
18:51:51 <nicolae-> but only if it can take its tail out of its mouth
18:52:18 <HangedMan> ouorborus attack by constricting, duh
18:54:28 <res> aleph-null hydra seems like a great idea
18:55:15 <nicolae-> infinite damage
18:55:56 <res> with infinite range
18:56:15 <HangedMan> the hydra is the branch
18:56:19 <nicolae-> formidable. how would you kill it?
18:56:25 <alefury> mathland crashed my browser, by adding up all the ones :(
18:56:27 <HangedMan> death's door
18:56:33 <HangedMan> alefury: yesssssssssss
18:56:33 <alefury> not crashed, just hanged i guess
18:56:45 <alefury> ah, it stopped
18:57:16 <alefury> how do i get out?
18:57:48 <HangedMan> you don't?
18:57:49 <nicolae-> kill your browser
18:58:03 <alefury> i mean out of the room, the browser fixed itself or something
18:58:14 <HangedMan> ...wow
18:58:29 <HangedMan> it is just that one room, that is just the one joke
18:58:53 <alefury> boo
19:02:34 <MarvinPA> oh heh, from that hydra slayer page: http://roguetemple.com/z/noteye-img/crawl-fpp.png first person roguelikes :o
19:03:12 <HangedMan> fr first person crawl
19:04:11 <MarvinPA> http://roguetemple.com/z/noteye.php first person doomrl, all kinds of meta
19:05:28 <HangedMan> heh, they have 0.8 screenshots
19:05:40 <Eronarn> pid style first person would be great for a roguelike
19:06:14 <MarvinPA> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw7y4_JDkRM that's so awesome
19:08:57 <st_> that seems to work quite well with doomrl
19:09:04 <st_> no idea how it would control though
19:10:01 <nicolae-> yeah, i feel like there should be a game that's doomrl but with 3d graphics and first person view
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19:38:09 <Henzell> mindlar the Sorcerer (L27 DEFE) ERROR in 'traps.cc' at line 1700: placeholder trap type 16 used (Slime:1)
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21:04:47 <elliptic> kilobyte: ugh, you changed the br.enter milestone so that it happens *before* moving to the new branch rather than after
21:11:11 <elliptic> !lm jeanjacques type=br.enter
21:11:12 <Sequell> 3016. [2012-05-03] jeanjacques the Anemomancer (L25 DgIE) entered the Pits of Slime on turn 47487. (Lair:7)
21:11:22 <Wensley> ugh
21:11:34 <elliptic> !lm * type=br.enter noun=slime cv=0.10
21:11:35 <Sequell> 971. [2012-05-03] Korinth the Minotaur Barricade (L26 MiFi) entered the Pits of Slime on turn 89042. (Lair:7)
21:12:00 <Wensley> it's not so bad if you want to know where the entrances to each branch had spawned
21:12:04 <elliptic> oh, weird
21:12:18 <jeanjacques> is that how it always worked?
21:12:21 <Wensley> not that that matters anymore
21:13:04 <elliptic> !lm * type=br.enter noun=slime cv=0.10 x=place
21:13:05 <Sequell> 971. [2012-05-03] [place=Slime:1] Korinth the Minotaur Barricade (L26 MiFi) entered the Pits of Slime on turn 89042. (Lair:7)
21:13:10 <elliptic> !lm jeanjacques type=br.enter x=place
21:13:11 <Sequell> 3016. [2012-05-03] [place=Lair:7] jeanjacques the Anemomancer (L25 DgIE) entered the Pits of Slime on turn 47487. (Lair:7)
21:13:21 <elliptic> !lm * type=br.enter noun=slime cv=0.10 x=oplace
21:13:22 <Sequell> 971. [2012-05-03] [oplace=Lair:7] Korinth the Minotaur Barricade (L26 MiFi) entered the Pits of Slime on turn 89042. (Lair:7)
21:13:32 <elliptic> !lm jeanjacques type=br.enter x=oplace
21:13:32 <Sequell> 3016. [2012-05-03] [oplace=Lair:7] jeanjacques the Anemomancer (L25 DgIE) entered the Pits of Slime on turn 47487. (Lair:7)
21:13:41 <elliptic> Wensley: that's what oplace was for
21:13:44 <jeanjacques> !lm . type=br.enter x=place 1
21:13:51 <Sequell> 1. [2011-04-18] [place=Temple] jeanjacques the Chopper (L5 MDGl) entered the Ecumenical Temple on turn 4235. (D:4)
21:14:13 <elliptic> now the bots have no way of determining what branch someone enters without parsing the milestone text
21:14:26 <elliptic> !lm . type=br.enter
21:14:26 <Sequell> 5939. [2012-05-02] elliptic the Spry (L21 MfFE) entered a bazaar on turn 47978. (Vaults:5)
21:14:41 <elliptic> !lm . type=br.enter -2
21:14:42 <Sequell> 5938. [2012-05-02] elliptic the Spry (L20 MfFE) entered a Wizard's Laboratory on turn 44972. (Crypt:4)
21:15:07 <elliptic> !lm . type=br.enter -3
21:15:08 <Sequell> 5937. [2012-05-02] elliptic the Spry (L20 MfFE) entered The Chambers of Sov Tuow the Cloud Mage on turn 44972. (Crypt:4)
21:15:35 <elliptic> this is a problem for wizlab, for instance, since the -2 milestone there was a bug and is now gone
21:16:50 <elliptic> I can't actually figure out why it isn't working now though
21:18:47 <elliptic> currently oplace is never set
21:19:03 <elliptic> so I guess that part of the code was deleted
21:21:36 <elliptic> oh, no, it is
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21:29:17 <elliptic> hm, I might have a fix :)
21:29:34 <elliptic> !lm * br.enter=lair s=place
21:29:35 <Sequell> 81719 milestones for * (br.enter=lair): 81705x Lair:1, 3x Lair:3, 2x Lair:4, 2x Lair:6, 2x Lair:5, 2x Lair:7, 2x Lair:2, Lair:8
21:29:43 <elliptic> this will still be silly though :/
21:32:57 <Henzell> crate the Conqueror (L27 HOEE) ASSERT(branches[place.branch].numlevels > 1 || !diff) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 537 failed on turn 142289. (Abyss)
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21:38:32 <|amethyst> hm
21:38:53 <|amethyst> my tests of zotdef-in-zot seem to work okay... might as well try breaking things
21:48:49 <|amethyst> hopefully it doesn't cause problems for the bots
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22:17:43 <ussdefiant> hey, how do you add stuff to the learndb? Lightli has a canditate to go under Okawaru or Good Randarts
22:18:02 <|amethyst> ??editdb
22:18:03 <Henzell> I don't have a page labeled editdb in my learndb.
22:18:06 <|amethyst> ??learndb
22:18:06 <Henzell> learndb[1/10]: A html page of learndb entries is at http://crawl.akrasiac.org/learndb.html. You can also access the learndb at http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots.
22:18:10 <|amethyst> ??learndb[2]
22:18:11 <Henzell> learndb[2/10]: The five main commands for the learndb are add, query, edit, swap, and delete. See [3] for add, [4] and [5] for edit, [6] for query, [7] for swap. You can read entries in private queries to Henzell. You cannot change it in private, however.
22:18:32 <evilmike> ##crawl is the better place to ask about this
22:18:49 <ussdefiant> 'tis a tad busy ATM
22:19:06 <|amethyst> ussdefiant:  the important thing is to remember to use underscores instead of spaces in the article name
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23:13:48 <Gretell> Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1664-g3ecf8c6
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