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00:33:47 <Cheibriados> ?/G and ?/B improvements (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4573) by dpeg
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> sickly siren can starve you (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5598) by KiloByte
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> going down hatch in Lair:7 crashes the game (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5599) by Isabel
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> The UI becomes cursed and fails to update properly (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2088) by AStranger
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> dgn.set_random_mon_list() : band request for shedu being ignored. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5072) by XuaXua
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Lose xp&loot after a crash (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5359) by Danakh
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Orb mimics (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5545) by Zannick
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> old game blocking spectating in Webtiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5586) by araganzar
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Demigods: abstract worshippers (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3046) by dpeg
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Makefile not detecting Command-Line Tools only Mac setup (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5597) by vickio
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> pre-lair/pre-orc xom vault with ghost-moth capable shapeshifters (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5596) by Pacra
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Overlapping lines in High Scores list (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5595) by spacewolf009
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Random zombie placement crashes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5594) by neil
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Recalling orcs makes some of them look like artifact armour (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2987) by kurper
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> spear-wielding necrophage causes rotting (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5592) by whelen
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Roxanne appears twice in level annotation (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5593) by chris
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Scroll of vorpalise weapon still destroys consumables (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5591) by crate
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Jumping spiders can jump through iron grates (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5590) by nicolae
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Controlled blink repetition (like "05Z") casts controlled blink an extra time (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5589) by nrook
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Instant drowning in abyss after being teleported. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5588) by puppykicker
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Teleport trap blocks entrance to the Temple (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5585) by vortexion
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> New lua binding that allows to get the list of items at a given position. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5582) by CommanderC
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Crash upon equipping Staff of Demonology (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5584) by icelizarrd
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> some black tiles in an abyss vault (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4872) by Galefury
00:33:47 <Cheibriados> Can't create (insert anything here): C:/Users/.../crawl/***: Permission Denied (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5577) by photonman62
00:33:47 <|amethyst> no, they're unidentified
00:34:17 <|amethyst> whee
00:34:22 <Wensley> uh oh
00:34:30 <|amethyst> uh
00:34:34 <Wensley> this could go on for a while
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00:36:03 <Cheibriados> going down hatch in Lair:7 crashes the game (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5599) by Isabel
00:36:08 <|amethyst> should give just one update this time
00:36:14 <|amethyst> there
00:36:24 <|amethyst> not sure why chei's been going down so frequently
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00:42:03 <Gretell> Narqulie (L3 KoBe) ASSERT(branch >= 0 && branch < NUM_BRANCHES) in 'branch.cc' at line 49 failed. (D:1)
00:43:46 <Keskitalo> yay for portal_branch merge
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01:08:41 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * r1baff07ea195 10/crawl-ref/source/initfile.cc: Fix autopickup symbol mismatch.
01:24:06 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * rcf1eb7206313 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/dlua/lm_trove.lua: Remove a trove backwards-compatibility hack.
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02:22:47 <Cheibriados> Forest serial vault (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5600) by infiniplex
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03:17:48 <Henzell> tartakower the Warrior (L19 HOEn) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2120 failed on turn 49070. (Abyss)
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03:43:00 <Henzell> tartakower the Warrior (L19 HOEn) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2120 failed on turn 49070. (Abyss)
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04:00:38 <kilobyte> hrm, no scroll autopickup is a pain
04:01:02 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1516-gcf1eb72 (33)
04:03:40 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1516-gcf1eb72
04:07:05 <Gretell> Oki (L1 MuWz) ASSERT(branch >= 0 && branch < NUM_BRANCHES) in 'branch.cc' at line 49 failed. (D:1)
04:11:24 <kilobyte> !lm Oki type=crash -log
04:11:26 <Sequell> 1. Oki, XL1 MuWz, T:315 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Oki/crash-Oki-20120427-090701.txt
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04:38:32 <Gretell> KiloByte (L9 HaAK)  (D:8)
04:40:30 <galehar> !tell Keskitalo I'd like your opinion on mouse control changes: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4433
04:40:30 <Henzell> galehar: OK, I'll let Keskitalo know.
04:51:53 <Gretell> beef (L2 HaCK) ASSERT(branch >= 0 && branch < NUM_BRANCHES) in 'branch.cc' at line 49 failed. (D:1)
04:55:14 <Cheibriados> improve menus (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5601) by galehar
05:00:07 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1516-gcf1eb72
05:00:51 <Gretell> beef (L4 HaCK)  (D:4)
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05:03:07 <kilobyte> !lm beef type=crash -log
05:03:07 <Sequell> 2. beef, XL4 HaCK, T:2609 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/beef/crash-beef-20120427-100046.txt
05:04:56 <Henzell> tartakower the Warrior (L19 HOEn) ASSERT(t != NON_ENTITY && t < MAX_SHOPS) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2120 failed on turn 49070. (Abyss)
05:06:26 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * rc0bc38bc64ff 10/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc: Fix a shopping list crash.
05:06:36 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r4b9502093188 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/features.txt: Add a desc for Zig portals.
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05:20:19 <Gretell> KiloByte (L9 HaAK)  (D:8)
05:20:40 <kilobyte> beh, fixing a bug is not enough, got to rebuild stuff too :p
05:53:48 <BlastHardcheese> it's what's for dinner
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06:00:20 <absolutego_> portal_branches is in, right?
06:00:34 <absolutego_> come to think of it, that means i can probably close #4688?
06:02:12 <phyphor> is "gourmand" an amulet only property?
06:36:48 <Cheibriados> the main menu/save browser assumes tinyterm (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5602) by KiloByte
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07:14:24 <CIA-115> 03evilmike * r7e2ba4ab0c2b 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des: 25 staircase flavour vaults. (infiniplex)
07:14:35 <CIA-115> 03evilmike * r935b99da4d04 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/serial/forest.des: Forest themed serial vault for early D and Lair. (infiniplex)
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08:33:21 <Gretell> phyphor (L8 MiBe)  (D:6)
08:34:33 <|amethyst> !lm phyphor crash -log
08:35:10 <Gretell> phyphor (L7 MiBe)  (D:6)
08:35:38 <phyphor> adding cloak and orcish bracers to a shopping list crashes
08:35:53 <|amethyst> phyphor:  this is CDO trunk?
08:36:18 <kilobyte> just fixed, not rebuilt
08:36:21 <|amethyst> aha
08:36:23 <phyphor> CDO trunk, yes
08:36:32 <Gretell> phyphor (L8 MiBe)  (D:6)
08:36:33 <|amethyst> yeah, just saw the version is cf1eb72
08:36:40 <phyphor> not sure if it's anything in a shopping list
08:36:44 <phyphor> or just the orcish bracers
08:36:52 <kilobyte> I'd want to fix the unvisited stair thingy, but on this machine bisecting takes AGES
08:38:02 <phyphor> it's only upstairs that affects
08:39:12 <phyphor> it would be good to have upstairs auto-connect and be visitted
08:39:23 <phyphor> (if you've seen both the top and bottom of the stairs)
08:39:29 <phyphor> but that's a FR for another day I@m sure
08:39:50 <phyphor> So, do we know if it's a shopping list problem or an orcish bracer problem?
08:40:09 <|amethyst> phyphor:  it's a shopping list problem that is already fixed, just not on the server yet
08:40:15 <phyphor> ah, cool
08:40:17 <phyphor> I'll shut up then :)
08:40:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte: 405e9b68 would be my guess for a starting point
08:40:57 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  since it touches is_unknown_stair
08:41:07 <kilobyte> can't you pick a smaller commit? :p
08:43:51 <kilobyte> yeah, that nasty 5.5 minutes per iteration bisect finished, and it's indeed 405e9b68
08:44:37 <kilobyte> I 1. need to do this at home (even though during the compilation+builddb I can do some actual work :p), and 2. speed up .des rebuild
08:45:36 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  hm... it's not the line that actually changed in is_unknown_stair
08:45:50 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  if I change that  you.depth == 1   to you.depth == 42   the same thing happens
08:46:04 <|amethyst> so I guess it's an issue with the travel_cache
08:47:21 <kilobyte> my recent unpushed commits affect this very function, lemme rebase, recompile and push
08:51:12 <kilobyte> wait, ^X shows them as (not visited)
08:51:29 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r78740518c743 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-place.cc terrain.cc travel.cc): Don't try to create wandering monsters from beyond the D:1 upstairs.
08:51:40 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r20e7edd90960 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files): Make a few functions static/gone.
08:51:40 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r16616897f486 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc: Don't crash on foreign monsters from a 1-level branch (Blade, Hell).
08:51:41 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  hm
08:52:22 <kilobyte> got it
08:52:28 <Gretell> phyphor (L8 MiBe)  (D:6)
08:52:40 <phyphor> fuckit
08:52:53 <kilobyte> was a remnant of old special-casing D:1 upstairs
08:53:09 <|amethyst> phyphor:  Adbusters has declared today Buy Nothing Day in Crawl
08:53:35 <phyphor> hah
08:53:44 <phyphor> I should've run away when low on health and crashed the game :)
08:53:50 <phyphor> or quaff IDd then crashed the game
08:53:58 <phyphor> the abuses, they are numerous!
08:54:17 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r97e54b585b50 10/crawl-ref/source/viewmap.cc: Fix all upstairs being shown as visited.
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08:56:13 <CIA-115> 03ldierk * rc78c85aa5190 10/crawl-ref/source/ (command.cc menu.cc): Allow MenuEntrys in MF_SINGLESELECT menus to use more than one hotkey
08:56:14 <CIA-115> 03galehar * re0f685857d49 10/crawl-ref/source/godmenu.cc: Make /?G display uppercase hotkey, but allow upper- and lowercase hotkeys
08:56:14 <CIA-115> 03galehar * rf99801ccda94 10/crawl-ref/source/hiscores.cc: Fix line overlap in high scores (#5595).
08:56:25 <CIA-115> 03galehar * r5d70e58320fa 10/crawl-ref/source/util/ (desc2ini.pl ini2desc.pl ini2txt.pl txt2ini.pl): Rename the ini conversion scripts.
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08:56:48 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1524-g97e54b5 (33)
08:57:15 <|amethyst> phyphor:  should be good now :)
08:57:52 <phyphor> yeah, yeah
08:58:16 <phyphor> I honestly had my hopes up that stairs auto visitted ... damn you devs!
08:59:23 <phyphor> also, cheers :)
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09:06:07 <alefury> would be an info leak: if you have seen  all downstairs on the previous level,
09:06:22 <alefury> all upstairs would show up as visited
09:06:26 <alefury> except if theyre a mimic
09:06:52 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1528-g5d70e58
09:06:55 <alefury> having to use every stair to enable it for G is really annoying, though
09:07:56 <kilobyte> perhaps we could make all stairs distinct?
09:08:32 <kilobyte> ie, internally they use three different features, this could perhaps be explained as them not looking exactly the same
09:08:55 <alefury> and kill stair mimics in the process? im all for that.
09:08:56 <kilobyte> if you saw both stairs of the pair, they'd be automatically linked even if you don't actually take them
09:08:59 <alefury> could still have hatch and portal mimics
09:09:13 <phyphor> alefury: you could have stair mimics pretending ot be each stair?
09:09:25 <alefury> hm, true i guess
09:09:27 <phyphor> maybe differentiate by colour?
09:09:47 <phyphor> red/green/blue - yellow = branch?
09:09:55 <alefury> im not sure they need to actually use different colors/tiles
09:09:56 <phyphor> and have the exit of the dungeon yellow
09:10:55 <kilobyte> don't take the dungeon exit being blue as written in stone -- all I cared about there was them being distinct from regular upstairs, yellow would be fine
09:11:23 <kilobyte> the only problem with just having all stairs look the same is stair mimics, indeed
09:11:24 <phyphor> I thik it'd match the "leaving a branch" where you have three exits all leading to the same place3
09:11:44 <phyphor> hrm, we can't have just three colours
09:11:47 <phyphor> unless ...
09:11:47 <kilobyte> however, I kind of fail to see how a stair mimic could even work theme-wise
09:12:07 <phyphor> you could do bright and dim
09:12:10 <phyphor> meh
09:12:12 <kilobyte> a hatch can be fake, there's rock on the other side
09:12:18 <kilobyte> a stair... not really
09:12:40 <kilobyte> especially if the mimic moves.  Does it take the long hole in the ceiling with it?
09:12:41 <|amethyst> FR: stair mimics actually replace stairs, turn into the real thing when killed
09:12:44 <phyphor> I still think if you have fully mapped the upstairs you can presumably see "up the stairs" to see the other side, without having to traverse it
09:12:56 <phyphor> even if you have to be on the square itself (which would mean you could use stair mimics)
09:13:40 <|amethyst> phyphor:  if a stairway has two flights you might not be able to see the top from the bottom
09:13:58 <phyphor> true enough I guess
09:14:17 <phyphor> and there's also the fact that you can have a stairs in the most north of a map connecting to the south and vice versa
09:14:26 <phyphor> so there's somethign happening
09:15:00 <|amethyst> long tunnels that somehow are never filled with monsters
09:19:34 <phyphor> well, teh stair thing is confirmed as fixed - now to find a shop
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10:08:57 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1528-g5d70e58 (33)
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10:12:33 <kilobyte> Sequell is AWOL, but Donald did whack someone in Lab this morning
10:13:15 <kilobyte> the guy was only XL9, though, which makes me wonder whether this is an appropriate place for Donald
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10:19:48 <absolutego> magistern
10:20:31 <absolutego> labyrinths often come up early, yes
10:20:50 <absolutego> can't it depend on labyrinth depth?
10:22:46 <kilobyte> Lab always has absdepth 15 now :p
10:23:36 <kilobyte> hrm, can't check minotaur kills too
10:23:45 <kilobyte> @??minotaur
10:23:45 <Gretell> minotaur (04H) | Speed: 10 | HD: 13 | Health: 52-90 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Damage: 35, 20 | Res: 06magic(52) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1385.
10:23:50 <kilobyte> @??donald
10:23:50 <Gretell> Donald (02@) | Speed: 10 | HD: 14 | Health: 84 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Damage: 26 | Flags: amphibious | Res: 06magic(93), 12drown | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 2423.
10:28:03 <absolutego> 15 seems deep to be XL9. it was a summoner though.
10:28:35 <absolutego> i'd still probably not fight donald at that depth
10:29:00 <absolutego> he often comes with strong branded weapons too
10:29:18 <|amethyst> absolutego:  Lab entries can occur much higher than 15 though
10:29:48 <absolutego> by higher you mean deeper?
10:29:54 <|amethyst> no, less deep
10:30:06 <kilobyte> I said absdepth not depth
10:30:33 <absolutego> absdepth is cumulative depth, considering branches?
10:30:35 <kilobyte> they used to be the same
10:30:41 <kilobyte> not anymore
10:31:10 <absolutego> well what is it now :p
10:31:12 <|amethyst> lab entries can appear as high as D:11 or Lair:1
10:31:21 <kilobyte> I mean, in most cases it's still the average depth it'd spawn in games
10:32:05 <|amethyst> which is earlier than any other place donald can occur except maybe Orc:3
10:32:35 <|amethyst> or swamp:1 if you have a high lair entry
10:32:51 <|amethyst> (and then Lair:1 is still earlier)
10:32:56 <absolutego> i think it's okay to make labs a bit less predictable and more dangerous
10:33:10 <absolutego> they could stand to be smaller though
10:33:20 <absolutego> did i hear something about making the lanes wider?
10:33:35 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  maybe instead of placing him normally, he can replace the minotaur? :)
10:33:58 <|amethyst> with a minotaur corpse at his feet of course
10:37:21 <kilobyte> hah
10:37:52 <absolutego> blood on the walls please
10:38:10 <kilobyte> <3
10:38:58 <|amethyst> What should replace donald in this vault if he's already in the game?  a minotaur with a human corpse name:adventurer n_rpl  ?
10:39:13 <|amethyst> not sure how to conditionalise that
10:40:14 <|amethyst> I guess Donald's Lab speech would not be appropriate then
10:42:08 <kilobyte> |amethyst: {{ if you.uniques("Donald") then e.mons("minotaur"); e.kitem("1 = human name:adventurer n_rpl n_spe corpse") else e.mons("Donald") end
10:42:21 <|amethyst> ah, simple then
10:42:52 <kilobyte> usually "Donald / minotaur" would work, but not if you want the corpse
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10:42:56 <|amethyst> yeah
10:43:41 <|amethyst> not sure how one would handle the speech though
10:44:10 <|amethyst> other than adding a new tag to the lookup in that case, and I'm not sure how to even check for that
10:44:22 <|amethyst> s/how to even check for that/what to even check for/
10:44:48 <kilobyte> simplest way would be to remove him from regular Lab spawns
10:45:20 <|amethyst> ragdoll could still get him into the labyrinth without having killed the minotaur
10:45:34 * phyphor mutters again bout naming the Lab mino Asterion
10:45:42 <kilobyte> |amethyst: er, how??
10:45:59 <phyphor> because ragdoll
10:46:03 <kilobyte> not via the Abyss, it was broken
10:46:08 <|amethyst> oh
10:46:15 <|amethyst> what happens now?
10:46:23 <|amethyst> if you try to: banish donald, get banished from a lab, return from abyss next to donald
10:46:43 <kilobyte> you go there, with Donald
10:47:22 <|amethyst> there = the lab you were banished from?
10:49:10 <kilobyte> yeah
10:49:44 <|amethyst> I guess there are plenty of other cases where Donald's speech implies he's been in the branch for a while, even if he just followed you there
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10:51:32 <|amethyst> I guess the only current messages that would need to be changed are "I tried to follow the left wall; it didn't work.", "I'm as lost as you are, buddy.", and "What do you think the minotaur eats?"
10:51:56 <|amethyst> The last could be just "minotaurs eat", since it's not a unique or anything
10:52:36 <kilobyte> I'd rather see what other guys think before implementing anything
10:52:44 <|amethyst> yeah
10:52:51 <kilobyte> Donald is a lot harder than minotaurs
10:53:09 <|amethyst> And it's a little out-of-flavour for him
10:53:39 <|amethyst> I mean, sure, he's an adventurer, but if anyone is going to be standing over a corpse it should be one of the more "evil" uniques
10:53:42 <phyphor> |amethyst: "What do you think Asterion eats?" :)
10:53:53 <|amethyst> phyphor:  the minotaur is not a unique
10:54:09 <phyphor> yet
10:54:12 * phyphor plots some more
10:54:32 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  is it possible to enter two labs in the same game with trowel etc?
10:54:48 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  or would it be the same lab?
10:57:44 <|amethyst> Would Donald use adventurer (player) slang like "kit"?
10:57:53 <|amethyst> @The_monster@ asks, "How many innocent creatures did you kill for those shoes?"
10:58:04 <|amethyst> Nagas of Okawaru can get that :(
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11:30:44 <|amethyst> would a vault with a friendly orb spider and some poorly-positioned enemies be interesting?
11:31:30 <|amethyst> it's probably possible but tedious to get it to follow you to other levels, though :(
11:34:15 <|amethyst> yeah, you just need to be on the stair and get an enemy on the opposite side of you from the orb spider.  When the spider targets the enemy, it will back away, towards you.  It helps if the stair is in a corridor
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12:23:02 <absolutego> zot:5 -> mlua error: /crawl-svn-d943700/dat/dlua/lm_trig.lua:677: Too many vault items for item_pickup
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13:42:00 <rax> Hey all, where does dgamelaunch source live these days?
13:42:14 <rax> nevermind found it
13:57:14 <kilobyte> |amethyst: other portal vaults which are valid trowels can be entered twice: once when spawned naturally, once from the card (Bazaars have no limits on either).  I had to separate the entrance vaults to fix a spoiler bug, made Lab work the same as most by the way.
13:58:03 <kilobyte> the issue was, you had to go to a level in the range that can spawn Labs before drawing the card
13:58:39 <kilobyte> not sure whether this is right, if not, uniq_lab would restore the old restriction
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14:02:00 <kilobyte> other stuff about the card: not sure why wizlabs are excluded
14:02:27 <kilobyte> on the other hand, I see a problem that it's a save-your-ass card, and that's bad
14:02:45 <Zannick> sequell? :(
14:03:32 <kilobyte> Zannick: yeah, I miss him too :(
14:03:44 <Zannick> when's the memorial service?
14:03:46 <Zannick> :P
14:04:59 <kilobyte> you don't do memorial services to lazy bastards who go AWOL
14:06:09 <kilobyte> do you happen to remember who runs Sequell these days?
14:10:06 <elliptic> as always, sequell is run by greensnark
14:12:35 <kilobyte> there are people plotting against Trowel as it's indeed sensitive to balance.  But so is Experience which somehow has not many opponents, and IMO Trowel is so much better.
14:14:17 <kilobyte> not sure how to fix the "safety in two turns" problem.  Having the portal take several turns to spawn seems to be an easy option, but not 100% enough: people would start the process before taking a risk that could use a safety net.
14:24:10 <Cheibriados> dying messages should show full damage for branded weapons (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5603) by paplaukes
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15:10:13 <Ripplez> hi. id like to request a feature, when you press @, the attack speed note "your attacks are above average etc." changes to yellow if youve hit the weapon skill needed for minimum attack delay
15:11:00 <kilobyte> Ripplez: except that we're thinking hard how to remove the mindelay thing
15:11:28 <Ripplez> oh. well the feature doesnt seem bad, just not easy to figure out. but okay then
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16:20:29 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  I hadn't really considered trowel as an escape spell, but I guess that makes sense
16:20:45 <|amethyst> I figured it was more of an "extra levels for extra loot" thing
16:20:51 <|amethyst> s/spell/card/
16:21:52 <elliptic> |amethyst: I think the point is that it really isn't good for people to be able to use it as an escape
16:22:02 <elliptic> or at least not as such a good one
16:22:15 <|amethyst> have it generate the portal somewhere random on the level?
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16:22:59 <elliptic> I thought about that... it would certainly help with using it as an escape, but it sounds sort of annoying for fair use
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16:23:15 <elliptic> I don't really have any better ideas though :/
16:24:34 <|amethyst> put it elsewhere and then show where it is the way Ashenzari does?
16:25:39 <elliptic> yeah, it isn't too bad if you know where it is and can autotravel to it I guess
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17:16:54 <Cheibriados> Crash on startup with Mac OS X Lion and full screen tiles mode (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5604) by vickio
17:32:38 <Henzell> OneEyedJack the Brawler (L21 NaTm) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 942 failed on turn 106011. (Elf:5)
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19:24:10 <alefury> kilobyte: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4438
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19:31:41 <HangedMan> hmph, my encompass vault gives out a ridiculous 130k average exp
19:42:54 <HangedMan> ...disregard that number completely, it seems to be around box_level and forest_0.8's 70-90k
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19:53:53 <Wensley> HangedMan: vault with 1500 pulsating lumps
19:54:35 <HangedMan> no, cigovuti 2.0 is not needed
19:55:33 <HangedMan> hmm, doing a basic trowel inside of a volcano to and out from a bailey has made a collapsed portal vault entry with the description of a finished volcano but the tile of a finished bailey
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21:03:55 <Henzell> OneEyedJack the Wrestler (L24 NaTm) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 942 failed on turn 144288. (Vault:8)
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21:16:39 <elliptic> !tell kilobyte death messages now say "slain by a hobgoblin in D:1" rather than "slain by a hobgoblin on D:1", which sounded far better...
21:16:39 <Henzell> elliptic: OK, I'll let kilobyte know.
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21:20:00 <|amethyst> hm
21:20:09 <|amethyst> do those come from the game?
21:20:32 <|amethyst> the HS entry itself says "on Level 2 of the Dungeon."
21:20:55 <|amethyst> err
21:21:12 <|amethyst> the post-game display I mean
21:26:07 <|amethyst> hiscores.cc code uses the presence of the word "Level" to determine whether to use "on" or "in"
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21:27:09 <|amethyst> but it calls place_name with long_name = true and include_number = true so that shouldn't matter
21:28:30 <|amethyst> but it's still not clear to me where Henzell's strings are coming from exactly... I figured it read the scorefiles using its own code, so I don't know how this part would be relevant.
21:29:12 <Gretell> jeanjacques (L14 DgNe) ASSERT(branches[place.branch].numlevels > 1 || !diff) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 537 failed. (Abyss)
21:29:28 <|amethyst> oh
21:29:35 <|amethyst> my $prep = $place =~ /:/? 'on' : 'in';
21:30:38 <|amethyst> oh, that part's probably fine, but the next line:
21:30:39 <|amethyst> $prep = "in" if $g->{ltyp} ne 'D';
21:31:20 <elliptic> oh, ltyp
21:32:29 <|amethyst> hiscores.cc says:  // Note: "br", "lvl" (and former "ltyp") are redundant with "place" but may still be used by DGL logs.
21:32:56 <|amethyst> and then adds fields for br, lvl, and not ltyp
21:33:31 <|amethyst> not that it makes sense to re-add it
21:33:34 <elliptic> yeah
21:34:53 <elliptic> probably it is fine to just remove that line checking ltyp?
21:44:41 <|amethyst> hm, what level type names would that have done anything on
21:46:40 <|amethyst> also, Henzell now says "in Abyss",  "in Pan"
21:46:49 <|amethyst> "in Lab"
21:47:30 <elliptic> it already said that, no?
21:47:50 <elliptic> because of the first line?
21:48:56 <|amethyst> it was "in the Abyss", "in Pandemonium", "in a Labyrinth"
21:49:22 <elliptic> ah
21:51:23 <|amethyst> "in IceCv" is particularly bad :)
21:52:14 <evilmike> this is only tangentally related, but I notice wizmode &~ now has a --more-- prompt (at least in local tiles)
21:52:24 <evilmike> this is because it now lists every branch + every portal vault
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21:54:36 <|amethyst> it is nice that it does, though, so you don't have to do stuff like &L*enter_the_ziggurat
21:56:36 <|amethyst> maybe that could be integrated with the proposed ?/B interface
21:56:38 <evilmike> I agree it's nice to enter zigs with &~. Before, &P was the best way to do it, though
21:56:43 <evilmike> &L was never a good choice :P
21:56:51 <|amethyst> oh, did that work?
21:57:03 <evilmike> yeah, you'd have to type "ziggurat" after &P
21:57:14 <|amethyst> I remember some places crashed if you tried using &P so I rarely used it
21:57:19 <evilmike> ah
21:58:12 <|amethyst> also, now that ?/B lists all the portal vaults, we need descriptions for them
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21:59:54 <|amethyst> should that be an implementable, a request in tavern, a page on the wiki?
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22:00:37 <evilmike> I like posting an implementable and then making a tavern post to get some extra attention
22:01:19 <evilmike> I think the wiki is better suited to elaborate proposals and ideas... this is something fairly small and concrete
22:03:26 <Eronarn> mmm, elaborate
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22:19:42 <|amethyst> evilmike:  should I mark the implementable as a child of the ?/B improvement implementable?
22:21:33 <Cheibriados> Need descriptions for the portal vaults. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5605) by neil
22:22:57 <evilmike> |amethyst: maybe they could be made related. I think they're separate issues though
22:28:44 <|amethyst> evilmike:  if you want to advertise that... I don't frequent the tavern
22:28:48 <|amethyst> too many drunks
22:28:53 <evilmike> heh
22:29:54 <|amethyst> just plain text submissions are fine; trying to merge diffs would be more painful than pasting the entries in by hand
22:30:20 <|amethyst> "submissions" as in replies to the bug even
22:30:43 <evilmike> I think that's usually how people submit text anyway
22:32:07 <st_> by the way, with &~ G and ^O spider is listed last rather than in order with the other lair branches (this may have changed after the merge, haven't checked)
22:32:59 <|amethyst> st_:  fixed with the compat break
22:33:14 <st_> cool, thought it might have been
22:34:42 <evilmike> |amethyst: thread posted (lazily quoted the mantis item)
22:35:39 <|amethyst> thanks
22:36:57 <|amethyst> and of course I forget to finish my
22:38:16 <|amethyst> I suck at proofreading my own stuff
22:39:00 <evilmike> me too, heh.
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22:52:01 <Cheibriados> Crash when performing an action from upstairs in Snakes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5606) by michaelp
23:07:09 <Gretell> Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1528-g5d70e58
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