00:02:26 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1279-g50e56bf (32)
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03:38:32 <Cheibriados> Scroll of vorpalise weapon still destroys consumables (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5591) by crate
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03:42:15 <kilobyte> !tell nrook In general, blinking code is a mess.  I tried fixing it once but realized there is no real way but a mostly complete rewrite, which I had no time to do yet.
03:42:16 <Henzell> kilobyte: OK, I'll let nrook know.
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04:55:22 <Henzell> swinepaste the Geomancer (L12 SEEE) ASSERT(in_bounds(src_pos) || src_pos.origin()) in 'mon-behv.cc' at line 890 failed on turn 18604. (Lair:2)
05:00:06 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1273-gef185ba
05:00:07 <G-Flex> if it matters: the only enemy in sight at the time was an oklob plant, with a regular plant between me and the oklob blocking fire
05:03:55 <headzone> !lm swinepaste crash -log
05:03:58 <Sequell> 2. swinepaste, XL12 SEEE, T:18604 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/swinepaste/crash-swinepaste-20120423-095521.txt
05:22:04 <kilobyte> I bet, another case of the event happening on a square on the map edge (ie, map_bounds() but not in_bounds())
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06:07:33 <CIA-115> 03edlothiol 07stone_soup-0.10 * rd7654746b7a0 10/crawl-ref/source/ (tileweb.cc tileweb.h): Webtiles: Track cell dirtyness in more detail to improve performance.
06:07:40 <CIA-115> 03edlothiol * rd33bf9328f06 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-floor.txt: Adjust the weights for the spider floor tiles a bit.
06:22:39 <absolutego> i get a --more-- every time i kill or sac with trog, could this be a trunk thing?
06:25:38 <alefury> maybe your message area is super small?
06:26:56 <absolutego> nah, it's standard
06:27:37 <absolutego> i come off an oka game with the same session where i didn't have that problem, and i haven't touched the config file in a while
06:27:42 <absolutego> i'll see if i can figure it out
06:28:32 <alefury> force_more on Trog?
06:29:23 <alefury> cant really thing of anything else. unless this is a super recent bug people should have complained already, a lot. if it affected everyone, that is.
06:29:57 <absolutego> i know, thanks, i thought it was worth a shot
06:30:35 <absolutego> hey, saved and loaded and it doesn't happen anymore :/
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08:49:04 <edlothiol> Napkin: are you there?
08:51:40 <Napkin> yes, hi edlothiol
08:52:53 <edlothiol> hi :)
08:53:02 <due> napking <3
08:53:46 <Napkin> hi due
08:53:50 <Napkin> how are you guys doing?
08:53:56 <edlothiol> Napkin: if you need more motivation to update webtiles, the last commit in the stone_soup-0.10 branch improves the cpu usage of webtiles processes a lot
08:54:25 <Napkin> oho!
08:54:38 <edlothiol> it's still not as low as console crawl, but not that far, at least in my tests
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08:56:08 <edlothiol> also, I've got a few questions about the update scripts and so on on cdo; query?
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09:33:48 <Gretell> TrUlster (L19 DsDK) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 435 failed. (Vault:8)
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10:03:23 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r6f0640ea4574 10/crawl-ref/docs/macros_guide.txt: Don't have ?~ claim ^V is unused, either.
10:03:23 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r45ba18c89998 10/crawl-ref/source/ (9 files): Make a few more functions static/gone.
10:03:23 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r8720fbf8c93c 10/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.reST: Update the manual for =f +f =F +F (sync from the wiki).
10:03:30 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte * r6c3ddeac0ac6 10/crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc: Don't make a note on unrand creation.
10:07:09 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1280-gd33bf93 (32)
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10:32:16 <elliptic> does anyone know what's up with zot:5 having more orb guardians suddenly?
10:32:47 <elliptic> it looks like twice as many as marked in the vault
10:33:33 <ChrisOelmueller> someone suspected it's related to the orb mimic patch
10:34:04 <elliptic> yeah, each one is placing a second one next to it
10:35:06 <elliptic> just in the orb subvault, hm...
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10:37:36 <Zannick> that's pretty strange
10:39:37 <elliptic> I assume it is reading in the vault twice because of that zot5_orb stuff for some reason
10:42:43 <|amethyst> Is it all layouts or just orb_two_ways?
10:43:14 <elliptic> I've seen it in two layouts so far, neither of them orb_two_ways
10:44:58 <Zannick> i wonder if it happens in v:8 as well, if it's a bug with serial vaults
10:45:20 <elliptic> you mean subvaults?
10:46:06 <Zannick> er... yes?
10:46:07 <|amethyst> how do MONS/KMONS in the main vault interact with subvaults?
10:46:48 <elliptic> I wonder whether it has something to do with MONS appearing before the zot5_orb line rather than after
10:47:37 <|amethyst> zot5_orb() shouldn't be placing anything that could generate a guardian though
10:47:53 <elliptic> |amethyst: it's clearly placing the entire subvault again somehow
10:48:02 <elliptic> the extra guardians are next to the original guardians
10:48:39 <|amethyst> does anything else in the game use nested subvaults?
10:48:45 <Zannick> v:8
10:49:29 <|amethyst> oh, so it does
10:50:21 <elliptic> it could be the nestedness, yeah...
10:50:30 <|amethyst> My thought was it was some interaction between the hall of zot  MONS: patrolling Orb Guardian    and the chambers' KMONS: 1 = patrolling orb guardian
10:51:04 <|amethyst> but that doesn't explain why it didn't happen until the orb mimic patch
10:55:11 <|amethyst> aha
10:55:16 <|amethyst> that does seem to be it
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10:55:29 <|amethyst> I wonder if it's the nested subvaulting, or the addition of the KMASK:, that triggers it
10:55:39 <|amethyst> also
10:56:01 <|amethyst> currently it is impossible to regenerate zot:5 in wizard mode, because the zot5_orb vault can't be placed a second time
10:56:38 <Zannick> the kmask was already there?
10:56:57 <Cheibriados> spear-wielding necrophage causes rotting (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5592) by whelen
10:56:57 <|amethyst> this can be avoided by marking it allow_dup and relying on the other code to ensure it is only placed once in a regular game... but of course that's dangerous-ish
10:57:21 <Zannick> maybe there should be an allow_wiz_dup tag? :P
10:57:28 <|amethyst> oh, you're right
10:57:41 <|amethyst> well, normally a wizard can manually place a used vault
10:58:03 <|amethyst> however, that doesn't seem to work for used subvaults (or at least sub-subvaults)
10:58:04 <Zaba> the command for regenerating levels is supposed to make it forget about vaults, including unique ones
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10:58:59 <|amethyst> and you're right, those kmasks were there
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11:05:54 <|amethyst> just commenting out the KMONS lines seems to work
11:06:17 <|amethyst> but I'm really unclear on why there weren't double guardians previously
11:08:10 <elliptic> the bug wasn't necessarily caused by the orb mimic patch, I'm not sure anyone has actually checked?
11:08:16 <|amethyst> true
11:08:25 <|amethyst> let me try the old version of zot.des
11:09:46 <|amethyst> if I use the old version, I get one guardian per '1'
11:10:21 <|amethyst> and if I use that version, I get two
11:10:28 <|amethyst> so that change definitely did it
11:10:57 <|amethyst> but which part
11:14:54 <|amethyst> so
11:15:01 <|amethyst> is there supposed to be a difference between:
11:15:11 <|amethyst> KMASK:  1! = no_item_gen
11:15:12 <|amethyst> and
11:15:16 <|amethyst> KMASK:  !1 = no_item_gen
11:15:25 <|amethyst> because changing the former to the latter also fixes it
11:15:55 <elliptic> interesting...
11:16:09 <|amethyst> let me see whether it's honouring the MONS: or the KMONS:
11:17:43 <|amethyst> okay... so if I use  KMASK: !1 = ...    the KMONS monster (and not the MONS monster) is used
11:17:54 <|amethyst> if I use KMASK: 1! = ...   both are used
11:18:09 <|amethyst> verified by changing the MONS: entry to troll rather than Orb Guardian
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11:56:26 <CIA-115> 03MarvinPA * r35a80aada8b9 10/crawl-ref/source/art-func.h: Don't level up Wyrmbane for killing friendly or summoned dragons
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12:36:55 <ChrisOelmueller> ah i wanted to ask that yesterday but forgot
12:37:25 <ChrisOelmueller> since roxanne is both a unique and something that gets auto-excluded, right now there are two annotations for her (exclusion center and unique on level)
12:37:46 <ChrisOelmueller> would that qualify as interface issue or expected behavior?
12:38:25 <elliptic> this happens with other uniques too
12:38:31 <elliptic> sort of annoying
12:38:56 <elliptic> (excluding an asleep unique you don't really want to fight is often a good idea)
12:39:32 <elliptic> or actually, I thought that got fixed
12:39:32 <Zannick> |amethyst: wow, that's awful
12:39:35 <elliptic> so now I'm confused
12:40:07 <ChrisOelmueller> fixed before whatever cao is on currently?
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12:41:32 <elliptic> could be that it was only fixed for manual exclusions, not autoexclusions
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12:42:11 <elliptic> ah, yes
12:42:20 <elliptic> please report as a bug :)
12:43:20 <MarvinPA_> is something broken with ignacio generation?
12:43:23 <|amethyst> Zannick:  referring to the KMASK/KMONS stuff?
12:43:28 <MarvinPA_> i've been pan scumming for ages and haven't seen him yet
12:43:36 <Zannick> the !1 vs 1! thing
12:43:45 <|amethyst> I noticed this in keyed_mapspec::add_feat():
12:43:55 <|amethyst> if (feat.feats.empty())
12:43:55 <|amethyst> {
12:43:55 <|amethyst> feature_spec fsp(-1, 10);
12:43:55 <|amethyst> fsp.glyph = key_glyph;
12:43:55 <|amethyst> feat.feats.push_back(fsp);
12:43:57 <|amethyst> }
12:45:09 <elliptic> MarvinPA_: iirc he isn't guaranteed
12:45:10 <|amethyst> That seems like the source of the problem, but I don't fully understand why it's there
12:45:18 <MarvinPA_> ahh ok
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12:45:29 <elliptic> he does seem pretty rare though nowadays
12:45:29 <MarvinPA> i thought he always generated
12:45:33 <Zannick> huh
12:47:29 <|amethyst> this only happens for KMASK, not KMONS etc
12:48:40 <Cheibriados> Roxanne appears twice in level annotation (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5593) by chris
12:53:37 <|amethyst> err, set_mask() not add_feat
12:53:56 <headzone> i always just assumed "Roxanne, Roxanne" was a song reference
12:53:57 <headzone> http://www.songlyrics.com/utfo/roxanne-roxanne-lyrics/
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13:07:12 <|amethyst> Zannick:  found some more history
13:07:31 <|amethyst> Zannick:  3ba8bc8 introduced that code
13:08:26 <|amethyst> Zannick:  and 4e9f5b7 and de685cf  both work around that code not being called for copy_mask  (by splitting KMASK: wW = blah  into two lines, one for w and one for W)
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13:09:16 <MarvinPA> ugh my gear keeps getting cursed by killing mummies and then the skill training screen pops up in my face and forces me to change training settings
13:09:23 <MarvinPA> can we get rid of these restrictions now?
13:11:32 <ghallber1> Also shields.
13:11:37 <|amethyst> KMASK should certainly keep the feature as-is (and copy_mask should do the same)... the problem is that this for some reason makes KMONS: not override the monster placed by the glyph (and probably the same for KITEM)
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13:21:37 <elliptic> MarvinPA: I think we should relax all training restrictions having to do with swapping stuff
13:21:48 <elliptic> as in, you should just have to be carrying a weapon of the right type
13:21:52 <MarvinPA> yes
13:21:54 <elliptic> no worries about curses
13:22:08 <elliptic> (or weapons with a cost to swap)
13:23:06 <elliptic> it makes sense that they would matter but I don't think they offer much from a gameplay point of view except occasionally make me do silly things like search for a spear to carry in order to train polearms up for a vampiric glaive
13:23:08 <elliptic> and stuff like that
13:23:28 <MarvinPA> yeah, it doesn't seem to add much other than occasional confusion and annoyance really
13:24:18 <BlastHardcheese> you put on curse-resistant gloves
13:26:18 <elliptic> I think simple restrictions like "need to have a polearm" or "need to have a spell of the right school" are good (they make the skill screen much less cluttered and don't let players waste xp), but the complicated rules for equipment swapping don't seem great on top of that
13:26:40 <MarvinPA> exactly, yeah
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13:55:10 <kilobyte> MarvinPA: for Ignacio, he nearly from the start has a 50% chance of spawning in any game (so like any other random unique he's not guaranteed)
13:55:21 <kilobyte> do you think that's bad?
13:55:23 <MarvinPA> ah ok, that makes more sense
13:55:34 <MarvinPA> no, seems fine, i just had the impresion that he was guaranteed i think
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13:58:21 <Gretell> MarvinPA (L27 NaFE) ASSERT(zombie_class_size(cs) == Z_NOZOMBIE || zombie_class_size(cs) == mons_zombie_size(base)) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 2053 failed. (Zig:25)
13:58:40 <MarvinPA> blah
14:01:12 <kilobyte> Zaba: for re-allowing already used vaults on ^R: merely setting env.level_map_ids() to subvaults rather than the main vault would break vaults that are completely subvaulted without direct content of their own
14:02:50 <kilobyte> Zaba: &L could ignore the used tag on subvaults, like it does on the vault you requested
14:03:12 <kilobyte> (except for somehow not using multiples of the same subvault)
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14:04:37 <kilobyte> ie, we could save the list of used vaults, clear it, do &L then restore the list to what it was
14:06:22 <galehar> MarvinPA, elliptic: if you want to remove some skill restrictions, go ahead. I spent enough time implementing them that I don't feel like undoing it, but I won't shout if you do.
14:10:35 <CIA-115> 03galehar * r3329f2d146a4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/database/help.txt skill_menu.cc): Skill menu: ctrl+letter to select one skill and select all others.
14:11:54 <ChrisOelmueller> deselect*
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14:16:00 <galehar> yeah of course :)
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14:23:50 <|amethyst> galehar:  what about <Enter> ?
14:24:21 <kilobyte> in wizmode, if you leave a portal vault/Pan/Zig via &~ and then come back, should the level be remembered or deleted?
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14:25:28 <|amethyst> I'd say remembered, because you can always &^R
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14:25:57 <|amethyst> but not if it complicates things
14:26:03 <kilobyte> ok cool, that's a bit simpler for me (even though it can be weird at times)
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14:34:26 <|amethyst> galehar:  yeah, that commit makes <Enter> behave weirdly on the m screen in terminal mode
14:35:57 <kilobyte> ^M
14:36:12 <kilobyte> (or ^J sometimes)
14:36:17 <|amethyst> but it still has some of its old behaviour too
14:37:18 <|amethyst> the first time it turns skill m on and everything else off... and the last skill you selected before is selected (but not enabled)
14:37:33 <kilobyte> also, backspace and ^H
14:37:35 <|amethyst> then pressing it again turns that skill on and everything else off, and selects the next skill
14:37:50 <|amethyst> backspace and tab didn't mean anything previously, though
14:38:00 <|amethyst> what about making space do what <CR> used to do?
14:38:19 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r75d0a6b923a8 10/crawl-ref/source/ (files.cc stairs.cc wiz-dgn.cc): Delete levels at the proper time, collect most data deletion into one place.
14:38:20 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r6748adf21efb 10/crawl-ref/source/wiz-dgn.cc: Disregard map uniqueness on &L and &P
14:38:23 <kilobyte> yeah, people are going to press them anyway, trying to learn the interface
14:39:37 <|amethyst> what do capital letters do?
14:40:17 <MarvinPA> toggles skills if you have enough of them trainable
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14:45:18 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  what do you mean?
14:45:44 <MarvinPA> like, if you have 27 skills trainable then it starts with A to toggle the 27th skill
14:45:54 <|amethyst> oh
14:45:57 <MarvinPA> i think
14:46:06 <kilobyte> up to G
14:46:18 <kilobyte> and ctrl-capital letter doesn't work
14:47:50 <kilobyte> might be better to use some other way, like: "press * to select just one skill", then ask for the skill
14:48:19 <Blade-> as long as the option to quickly select one skill to train stays in, I'll be satisfied
14:48:24 <kilobyte> as many keypresses but avoids problems with ^M ^H ^I and capitals
14:49:10 <|amethyst> oh
14:49:23 <|amethyst> the current version turns everything off when you select a capital skill
14:50:23 <|amethyst> so there's currently no way to enable both skills A and B (other than dropping weapons etc until the skills are on lowercase letters)
14:51:16 <|amethyst> that one is fixable enough: this:  if (keyn > 0 && keyn < 'a') you.train.init(0);   is wrong
14:51:33 <kilobyte> yeah
14:52:05 <kilobyte> another problem: ctrl-letter is unlikely to work in webtiles
14:52:28 <kilobyte> (browsers tend to take many of ctrl combinations)
14:54:45 <|amethyst> they work in the rest of webtiles crawl, don't they?
14:55:29 <kilobyte> not all I think (not sure which)
14:55:45 <|amethyst> ctrl-w seems to be a problem :)
14:55:51 <|amethyst> and ctrl-t
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14:56:39 <|amethyst> and ctrl-n
14:56:44 <|amethyst> most of the others work for me
14:57:50 <|amethyst> it's probably different between browsers of course... those are AFAICT the ones in chrome that are handled by the whole browser rather than the tab
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15:02:23 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * r502efc8e3f68 10/crawl-ref/source/libunix.cc: Ignore ncurses KEY_RESIZE.
15:02:57 <|amethyst> hm... I hope everyone compiles against ncurses
15:04:51 <headzone> commercial unix users may not, maybe some bsd users
15:07:04 <|amethyst> this next one is ugly, hopefully someone can improve it
15:07:30 <|amethyst> off to a meeting
15:08:15 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * rccaa78690536 10/crawl-ref/source/libunix.cc: Unbreak builds against curses variants without KEY_RESIZE.
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15:36:09 <galehar> kilobyte: * is already mapped to show all skills
15:37:37 <galehar> also, if it doesn't work for some key on some interface, it's not terrible. It's just an interface convenience, you can always deselect skill manually like you did before
15:38:52 <galehar> there's also the idea I suggested yesterday of having an optionable switch to toggle between single/normal/focus modes
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15:45:31 <galehar> or maybe use shift+letter to single-select, and use numbers for skills above 26
15:45:40 <galehar> nicer to console and webtiles
15:56:07 <elliptic> I like the idea of using capital letters to single-select and numbers for 27th skill and beyond
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16:49:35 <kilobyte> galehar: it not working on some interfaces is ok, I'm wary about enter or tab having a surprising effect
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16:52:01 <Henzell> nmf the Fighter (L12 CeHu) ASSERT(zombie_class_size(cs) == Z_NOZOMBIE || zombie_class_size(cs) == mons_zombie_size(base)) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 2053 failed on turn 17853. (D:13)
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17:01:37 <|amethyst> !lm nmf crash -log
17:01:42 <Sequell> 2. nmf, XL12 CeHu, T:17853 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/nmf/crash-nmf-20120423-215200.txt
17:03:03 <kilobyte> it's the one MarvinPA tends to get 63476396 times a day in Ziggurats
17:03:51 <kilobyte> easily reproducible by going to a middling Ziggurat level in trunk
17:03:51 <kilobyte> and mysteriously fixed on portal_branches, although it's beyond me why
17:03:51 <MarvinPA> i looked into it a little bit but didn't really get any further than "something going wrong when generating a small simulacrum"
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17:04:11 <kilobyte> yeah... would probably be a good idea to investigate why
17:04:42 <|amethyst> what's the quickest way to reproduce it?  go to a zig and &^R repeatedly?
17:05:01 <MarvinPA> yeah
17:05:01 <kilobyte> not on Zig:1, Zig:16 or so is enough though
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17:07:14 <|amethyst> okay, got a crash
17:07:50 <|amethyst> base = MONS_PROGRAM_BUG
17:08:14 <|amethyst> ztype = RANDOM_MONSTER
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17:09:46 <|amethyst> aha
17:09:49 <|amethyst> you can reproduce the crash with &Many zombie
17:11:37 <|amethyst> let's see if this fixes it
17:12:47 <|amethyst> err
17:12:48 <|amethyst> hm
17:13:43 <|amethyst> no, &Many zombie is a different crash
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17:15:36 <|amethyst> okay,  &Mplace:D:$ simulacrum does trigger the error
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17:16:00 <|amethyst> hm
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17:19:09 <|amethyst> so there's   if (ztype == MONS_NO_MONSTER) { ztype = pick_local_zombifiable_monster(...) }
17:19:19 <|amethyst> I could add || ztype == RANDOM_MONSTER
17:19:46 <|amethyst> but it needs to use the specified place: rather than _local_
17:21:47 <Henzell> Jeremie the Alchemist (L16 DrTm) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 942 failed on turn 43644. (D:19)
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17:24:26 <kilobyte> hmm, no big reason to fix this urgently then
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17:24:36 <ussdefiant> so yeah, start a game on CAO on the latest trunk version there, and immediately greeted with a "Lua error: Can't find "lua/pickup.lua""
17:24:46 <ussdefiant> just in case ye didn't know
17:24:55 <elliptic> ussdefiant: you are using an old rcfile
17:25:02 <Zannick> did you edit your rcfile lately?
17:25:14 <ussdefiant> i barely know what a rcfile is
17:25:27 <elliptic> that file was removed a version or two ago, and the servers keep on using old rcfiles
17:26:03 <kilobyte> ussdefiant: Apr 28 2011 to be exact
17:26:08 <ussdefiant> hmm
17:26:09 <elliptic> so you'll need to reset or manually edit your rcfile to fix that
17:26:32 <ussdefiant> i've not been seeing that error in the 0.10 games i've been doing, and that's after April 2011, no?
17:26:46 <kilobyte> it's a valid problem: people shouldn't need to manually edit their configs if they did no relevant changes
17:26:48 <elliptic> trunk and 0.10 have different rcfiles
17:26:53 <elliptic> kilobyte: yeah, certainly
17:27:26 <elliptic> ussdefiant: basically you haven't played a trunk CAO game since that file was removed
17:27:33 <kilobyte> elliptic: can you think of a reason to _not_ include autofight.lua and friends?
17:28:13 <kilobyte> as in, allowing to unbind tab or redefine the function, but having it always defined by default
17:28:29 <elliptic> kilobyte: should be okay, yes
17:28:31 <ussdefiant> so, how do i reset my rcfile? Henzell doesn't appear to have info on them
17:29:26 <elliptic> trunk -> advanced options -> reset options
17:31:24 <|amethyst> oh, hm
17:31:26 <kilobyte> |amethyst: if you haven't spent the time to fix the local zombie bug, I'd skip that as we know the reason
17:31:29 <ussdefiant> ummm, that didn't work
17:31:30 <|amethyst> place:Zot:4 zombie  works
17:31:51 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  Not sure how to fix it; writing a bug report now
17:32:01 <ussdefiant> still gave me the same message on starting
17:32:10 <ussdefiant> is it actually something to be concerned about?
17:33:07 <kilobyte> |amethyst: I now realized why it doesn't crash on portal_branches, thanks to your investigation
17:33:25 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  what about &Many zombie?
17:33:34 <|amethyst> that crashes differently here
17:34:04 <kilobyte> oh, crashes here too
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17:38:47 <kilobyte> |amethyst: the ztype line in 48a10faac looks interesting
17:40:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  that was going to be my fix... however, I'm not sure it's right
17:40:59 <|amethyst> I made that fix and tried using   place:D:27 zombie    in spider... and got spider zombies
17:41:11 <|amethyst> I think the RANDOM_MONSTER is supposed to be resolved by this point
17:41:37 <|amethyst> which is why  place:D:5 or  place:Zot:4  didn't crash
17:41:46 <|amethyst> but something about place:D:27 is causing problems
17:42:16 <kilobyte> spiders are not supposed to spawn in D at all
17:42:20 <|amethyst> right
17:42:25 <|amethyst> it's getting a local monster
17:42:27 <kilobyte> unless something goes down to species
17:42:35 <|amethyst> pick_local_zombifiable_monster()
17:42:51 <|amethyst> by the time it gets to _place_monster_aux() the place: information is no longer available
17:43:01 <|amethyst> because that's in the monspec, not the mgen_data
17:43:28 <|amethyst> place:Zot:4 zombie   was giving me draconian zombies as expected
17:44:34 <|amethyst> which _place_monster_aux certainly couldn't have done, hence my thinking that something else is supposed to resolve the "place:D:27 zombie" into a real creature, but failing
17:45:02 <|amethyst> s/creature/base creature/
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17:51:08 <Cheibriados> Random zombie placement crashes (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5594) by neil
17:54:05 <|amethyst> still not exactly sure what is going wrong with the double orb guardian placement
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17:56:47 <|amethyst> oh
17:57:07 <|amethyst> well, I guess I do; I'm just not sure what the appropriate fix is
17:57:31 <|amethyst> KMONS: and KITEM: (and probably KPROP:)  cause the glyph to be otherwise ignored
17:57:45 <|amethyst> KFEAT: does not
17:57:50 <|amethyst> err
17:57:56 <|amethyst> KMASK: does not  rather
17:58:25 <|amethyst> but if KMASK *and* KMONS are both present, you get the underlying glyph *and* the monster from the KMONS
17:58:34 <|amethyst> even if the underlying glyph is something like '1'
17:58:53 <HangedMan> 1learn add stupid_things_everybody_learns_when_trying_to_make_vaults
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17:59:54 <|amethyst> but due to a bug in KMASK: this doesn't always happen (which is why it only started happening with the orb mimic patch: it changed the KFEAT line slightly)
17:59:57 <|amethyst> err
17:59:59 <|amethyst> s/KFEAT/KMASK/
18:00:35 <Zannick> maybe we should disallow KMASK using integer keys? as MONS covers that
18:00:38 <|amethyst> I wonder how many other vaults use KMASK: and KMONS: or KITEM: for the same glyph
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18:00:49 <|amethyst> Zannick:  KMONS you mean?
18:01:06 <Zannick> er, yes, KMONS.
18:01:31 <HangedMan> making kmons use numbers is useful for trying to keep given glyphs coherently ijn order while still using kfeat and kitem and such
18:01:31 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r499b8f78450c 10/crawl-ref/source/stairs.cc: Don't crash when some smartass does &(exit_pandemonium in wizmode.
18:01:31 <CIA-115> 03kilobyte 07portal_branches * r037a11fa5aeb 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/rooms.des: Opt-in rather than opt-out special rooms.
18:01:52 <HangedMan> fixing kmask sounds better then changing kmons
18:02:01 <Zannick> what does "coherently in order" mean?
18:02:16 <HangedMan> grouping the glyphs together
18:02:36 <Zannick> alternately, eliminate MONS
18:02:39 <HangedMan> without tripping over the random placement of feature glyphs
18:02:53 <HangedMan> eurgh, add more lines to ridiculous numbers of vaults?
18:03:13 <vivec_> is there something wrong with this syntax? KITEM:  C = blessed blade / demon blade / triple sword
18:03:32 <Zannick> i do agree that the bug with kmask is probably the easiest and best option to fix
18:03:32 <HangedMan> "blessed blade" isn't an item name
18:03:51 <|amethyst> I'm not sure how to fix that though
18:03:54 <HangedMan> though all blades blessed by tso use it, you are most likely looking for "eudemon blade"
18:04:10 <vivec_> oh, it's not an inventory name?
18:04:14 <|amethyst> setting KMASK should keep the info from the glyph
18:04:15 <st_> doesn't seem like the KMASK is that important for the subvaults, you could just add no_item_gen to the tags
18:04:27 <Zannick> indeed
18:04:31 <Zannick> i would have done that
18:04:38 <HangedMan> there's also that, sure
18:05:11 <Zannick> i just wasn't sure why it was so necessary that only the orb, guardians' start squares, and orb's neighbor squares got no_item_gen
18:05:28 <Zannick> particularly when it didn't work
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18:05:51 <HangedMan> no tiny chance of not knowing where the orb is because it's under an item / screwing up apporters by placing an item ontop of it?
18:05:52 <Zannick> though maybe that was part of the kmask bug
18:06:04 <HangedMan> though that only explains no items ontop of the orb
18:06:18 <Zannick> HangedMan: yeah, it doesn't explain the rest of the orb vault
18:07:06 <|amethyst> so a few cases:   KMASK: w = no_tele_into      the w tiles should be water
18:07:29 <|amethyst> KMASK: 1 = no_tele_into  (no KMONS)    the 1 tiles should have monster 1 from the MONS: list
18:07:40 <Zannick> i would argue that if removing the kmasks and adding no_item_gen tags solves the double guardian problem, then do that and file a bug to fix the underlying kmask issue
18:08:28 <|amethyst> there's an even easier fix, which is to remove the KMONS: line
18:08:46 <|amethyst> to fix the vault, not the underlying bug
18:10:09 <|amethyst> KMONS overrides the glyph;  KMASK does not;  KMONS + KMASK does not, but should
18:10:23 <|amethyst> I guess that would be my ideal solution to the bug
18:10:34 <|amethyst> but I'm not sure how to do that
18:11:02 <|amethyst> and, especially, how to do that in a way that is robust to a change in order of the relevant lines
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18:14:29 <Zannick> i'm not that familiar with how vault parsing is actually done, so i'm not sure what to suggest for it
18:21:26 <vivec_> what's the syntax name for maces & flails? is it just "manual of maces & flails"
18:22:08 <|amethyst> vivec_:  yes
18:22:25 <vivec_> is there something wrong with this syntax then?
18:22:26 <vivec_> KITEM:  C = demon trident \ demon blade \ demon whip KITEM:	D = manual of long blades, manual of maces & flails, manual of polearms
18:23:01 <|amethyst> backslashes
18:23:15 <vivec_> hm?
18:23:22 <|amethyst> C = demon trident \ demon blade \ demon whip
18:23:26 <|amethyst> should be /
18:23:30 <Zannick> \ should be /, newline before the second KITEM,
18:23:35 <Zannick> not sure about the tab character
18:23:38 <Zannick> not sure about the commas
18:23:56 <HangedMan> never use tab in vault syntax
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18:36:52 <vivec_> what's wrong with tabbing?
18:37:02 <HangedMan> hmm, should I add a note to 5594 on how "any spectral" (or spectre or whichever) creates non-zombifiable-spectres?
18:37:26 <HangedMan> it's a stylistic thing
18:37:59 <vivec_> oh, this is for myself, there's nothing wrong with it syntactically right?
18:38:26 <HangedMan> presumably
18:39:28 <vivec_> thanks for the help dudes
18:42:29 <kilobyte> vivec_: it breaks on some editors
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18:43:19 <kilobyte> some Windows stuff has unorthodox tab lengths, so tabs end up wrong for everyone else than the person doing editing
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18:47:46 <|amethyst> I'm trying to figure out where the mask is actually applied
18:48:16 <|amethyst> _vault_grid_mapspec() handles the feature, monsters, and items
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18:50:21 <|amethyst> oh, I see
18:50:26 <|amethyst> that's in dgn_register_place
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18:54:19 <|amethyst> okay, I might have a fix
18:54:25 <|amethyst> testing
18:54:39 <|amethyst> well, compiling first
19:00:26 <|amethyst> I think that does it
19:01:39 <|amethyst> I made it so that a mapspec with only a mask (no kfeat, kmons, or kitem) uses _vault_grid_glyph() rather than _vault_grid_mapspec()
19:01:50 <|amethyst> and removed the special-case code from set_mask
19:02:18 <|amethyst> This if (say) a kmons is specified, the rest of the glyph is ignored even if there is also a kmask
19:02:39 <|amethyst> so the orb vaults in particular place the guardians from KMONS and not the ones from MONS
19:03:58 <|amethyst> if anyone relied on KMASK + KMONS not behaving like KMONS (in terms of overriding the glyph) they will need to be corrected
19:04:41 <|amethyst> This also lets me undo those two commits of kilobyte's that worked around the previous method not working quite right
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19:15:34 <kilobyte> yay proper fixes only three years after kludges :p
19:15:50 <HangedMan> only
19:16:03 <HangedMan> there surely must have been worse, held-over bugs
19:16:22 <kilobyte> true
19:17:31 <HangedMan> of course there are lots of stupid small things around in general
19:17:38 <HangedMan> (spectral plants)
19:17:44 <HangedMan> lava merfolk
19:18:12 <Wensley> ranged sticky flame was a pretty awesome bug for a long time there
19:18:17 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  four years :)
19:18:27 <Wensley> mountain dwarves were the most persistent bug, methinks
19:18:33 <Wensley> they lasted for like ten years
19:19:13 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  2.5--3 years for your kludges, but Enne's original fix from Tue Jul 1 2008 was a kludge itself :)
19:19:13 <HangedMan> somehow despite local tiles arena being broken throughout a 1/3 of the way through 0.10 trunk, nobody reported it yet
19:19:32 <HangedMan> what other bugs am I sitting on, hmm
19:19:35 <|amethyst> somehow no one actually reported that resizing terminal crawl crashed
19:20:24 <kilobyte> nobody reported that I'm not the sole ruler of the Universe yet, too
19:20:26 <|amethyst> It seemed like common knowledge in ##crawl, then I mentioned it in a bug report and kilobyte said something along the lines of "any known bugs should have been fixed"
19:22:14 <HangedMan> numpad works for movement in everything except local terminal
19:22:57 <|amethyst> it works for me in local terminal, but <Enter> only works if num lock is on (or was it off?  I have my numlock light mapped to something else, and rarely toggle it)
19:23:09 <|amethyst> numpad <Enter> that is
19:23:20 <|amethyst> I think also '5'... the others work just fine in either mode though
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19:23:43 <HangedMan> arbitrary random insanity hidden in local builds
19:23:54 <HangedMan> everywhere, all of the time
19:24:49 <kilobyte> |amethyst: works for me with numlock off just fine
19:25:01 <kilobyte> (and on, but that's a heresy)
19:25:18 <|amethyst> gnome-terminal here, with TERM=gnome-256color
19:25:32 <HangedMan> ....ohhhhh, turn off numlock
19:26:03 <HangedMan> around the same unpleasantly hidden level as local tiles not giving build crash messages
19:26:11 <HangedMan> default local tiles
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19:28:20 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  yeah, just checked... with numlock off, numpad <Enter> doesn't work
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19:29:37 <|amethyst> but with numlock on, numpad <+> is trying to do , or g
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19:45:21 <|amethyst> hm
19:45:28 <|amethyst> minmay_temple_entry_mist  seems to have a bug
19:45:50 <|amethyst> it doesn't actually produce any mist
19:48:34 <HangedMan> there are a few silly things involving the fog generators being given to non-existent items or whatever instead of unused glyphs
19:48:53 <|amethyst> I figured this one was supposed to be on the O (the stairs)
19:54:24 <|amethyst> oh, I see
19:54:39 <|amethyst> d7c562c
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20:00:42 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * r88b0cbd46593 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dungeon.cc mapdef.cc mapdef.h): Improve KMASK/KMONS interaction, singlify Orb Guardians.
20:00:42 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * r4567686eda20 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge some KMASK: lines.
20:00:43 <CIA-115> 03|amethyst * rd1ffdac01581 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/temple.des: Turn the mist on in minmay_temple_entry_mist.
20:03:14 <|amethyst> Hopefully I didn't break anything... the vaults I tested all seemed to work as expected
20:03:28 <|amethyst> with only the orb vaults changing their behaviour
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20:48:45 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  6c3ddea should fix issue 5587 , right?
20:50:39 <CIA-115> 03elliptic * r1517b8309c48 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Remove MR demonspawn facet.
20:50:42 <CIA-115> 03elliptic * r9a781f6e7da0 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Make ignite blood and foul stench mutually exclusive.
20:50:54 <CIA-115> 03elliptic * r55adfe932ea2 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mutation-data.h mutation.cc output.cc player.cc): Combine rN+++ and rTorment demonspawn facets.
20:51:30 <Eronarn> cool
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23:30:43 <nrook> How does one add a tile for a spell? I can't figure out where these TILEGs are coming from
23:34:33 <nrook> oh, tiles_creation.txt exists
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