00:00:07 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:23 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:43 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1162-g18b1451 (32) 00:07:04 Something I was wondering about: How difficult would it be to set up crawl such that you can play it locally, broadcast it to tiles.crawl and someone on said website can watch you? 00:07:15 Make tiles.crawl kind of a lobby for local players announcing themselves and webtiles players alike 00:07:41 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:42 -!- tholmes has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:37 -!- tholmes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:20:57 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-1162-g18b1451 00:36:46 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:38:31 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:45:02 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:15 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:08 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:18 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:33 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:07:29 -!- KittyKatK8 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:43 Hey, anyone here good at inline lua? 01:07:52 I'm trying to figure out how to change the lua to pick up things relevant to character class, such as making assassins autopickup all needles and/or ammo. 01:10:17 hm 01:10:31 http://www.gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/blobs/stone_soup-0.10/crawl-ref/source/l_you.cc line 89 01:10:31 i'm guessing you want a "if you.class() == "Assassin": change option here" but I don't know how that works 01:10:34 I think you just want to use you.class() 01:10:37 and I don't think you.class is the oh it is 01:10:42 :D 01:10:53 well there we go then 01:12:05 So.... if I include :if you.class() == "Assassin" then ae = I suppose I could simplify it by just adding all ammo, since they just use the throw skill. 01:12:38 as long as you have this line before it 01:12:38 ae := autopickup_exceptions 01:12:55 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: something happened] 01:13:32 KittyKatK8: I think so! 01:13:49 What if I did :if you.class() == "Assassin" autopickup $?+"/!%( 01:14:08 That might be better, since I can throw darts etc too. 01:14:15 Then again, spriggan. 01:15:18 make a stash beside the staircase on every dungeon level 01:15:24 use waypoints, haul between them as you go down 01:15:25 or whatever 01:15:28 :organization!: 01:15:42 KittyKatK8: you need "then" actally in there somwehre 01:15:44 Excellent point. 01:15:48 Nabbing all ammo it is. 01:17:01 by the way, you were asking before about the lua functions for crawl, right? 01:17:01 well 01:17:02 http://www.gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/trees/stone_soup-0.10/crawl-ref/source 01:17:06 ctrl+f for l_ 01:17:16 I'm pretty sure those are all the lua functions crawl presents 01:17:27 no, it's not 01:17:36 mwahahaha 01:17:44 there's luadoc around somewhere though 01:17:51 Er.... I just wanted help with inline lua, I'm not that good at coding. 01:17:56 basically, /most/ of the l_* files contain code related to libraries 01:17:57 Thank you, though. :3 01:18:17 for inline coding l_crawl and l_you is probably all you need, plus the items and so-on 01:18:20 oh, really? 01:18:23 but there are other lua functions hidden in other files 01:18:28 lol 01:18:31 ic 01:18:31 plus there are also the standard library lua functions presented 01:18:52 Okay, so if I phrase it like this, will it work properly? : if you.race() == "Ghoul" then autopickup = $?+"/!%X :else :if you.class() == "Assassin" then autopickup = $?+"/!%( : else autopickup = $?+"/!% : end 01:19:14 I always forget to butcher corpses as a ghoul, so I have it autopick 'em. 01:19:15 KittyKatK8: I think so, but I'm not sure on the syntax 01:19:34 Well, I suppose I need to find some missibles to test it. 01:19:38 *missiles 01:19:52 I know the ghoul bit worked before I added in the assassin bit. 01:20:32 in lua, you use 'elseif' 01:20:41 not else if or else (new line) if 01:21:05 Before, I had : if you.race() == "Ghoul" then autopickup = $?+"/!%X : else autopickup = $?+"/!% 01:21:09 And it worked just fine. 01:21:23 So I think else is acceptable. 01:22:38 it should work, i'd guess, so long as you have :end twice (not actually knowing lua but guessing from the if/else/end syntax you used) 01:22:51 you have to have end at the end, yes 01:22:55 since it's not delimited otherwise 01:22:59 (not like C++, with its {}s) 01:23:00 Er, yes. I did. 01:23:03 I typo'd, lol 01:23:26 oh 01:23:27 http://www.lua.org/pil/4.3.1.html 01:23:28 else if works 01:23:31 but it means you need more ends 01:23:34 elseif means you skip an end 01:23:42 (if you think about how you'd be delimiting it) 01:23:58 Crawl was complaining at me, so now it's : if you.race() == "Ghoul" then autopickup = $?+"/!%X : else autopickup = $?+"/!% : end :if you.class() == "Assassin" then autopickup = $?+"/!%( : else autopickup = $?+"/!% : end 01:24:03 Testing that! 01:24:23 WHOO! She picks darts up atuomatically now. 01:24:40 Thank you guys. <3 01:25:11 um 01:25:22 that breaks your case for ghoul 01:25:42 so long as you are not playing ghas 01:25:58 Oh. 01:26:00 if you're a ghoul and a non assassin, won't it always pick the fourth kind of autopickup? 01:26:10 Bugger. 01:26:26 a ghoul assassin is also broken, but then why are you playing ghas? :P 01:26:33 : if you.race() == "Ghoul" then autopickup = $?+"/!%X : elseif you.class() == "Assassin" then autopickup = $?+"/!%( : else autopickup = $?+"/!% : end 01:26:34 !hs * ghas 01:26:35 something like this 01:26:35 476. jeanjacques the Middleweight Champion (L27 GhAs), worshipper of Makhleb, escaped with the Orb and 7 runes on 2012-02-26, with 5820577 points after 63780 turns and 4:32:02. 01:27:32 ..... Right, I need to put an ae> on rocks. >.> 01:28:14 : autopickup = $?+"/!%X : if you.race() == "Ghoul" then autopickup += X : end : if you.class() == "Assassin" then autopickup += ( : end 01:28:17 ? 01:28:30 where += should be lua's concat operation 01:28:41 er 01:28:53 autopickup = $?+"/!% for the first one 01:29:10 zannick, it's like in this file http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/crate.rc 01:29:15 the autopickup = foo stuff isn't lua 01:29:28 oh, i getcha 01:29:31 it's like a #ifdefined macro in C++, it's getting included or not included in the rc based on the lua control 01:29:39 right, right 01:29:55 you need a default autopickup, then you put aes to modify it 01:29:56 iirc 01:30:08 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:30:15 Yeah, how do I put ae in the init.txt? 01:30:16 can you do something like autopickup = :some-lua-variable 01:30:25 I don't think so 01:30:29 aw 01:30:35 : is "evaluate this line as lua" 01:30:40 yeah 01:30:45 not "evaluate this line as lua and then get an rvalue result" 01:31:11 i've been doing too much django work lately 01:32:01 * due makes sign to ward off evil 01:32:09 KittyKatK8: why init.txt and not .crawlrc? 01:32:21 Er... They're the same thing. 01:32:31 ae := autopickup_exceptions 01:32:34 ^ don't forget tht line 01:32:47 The file I'm working on is .crawlrc, but I thought it was init.txt for windows, and I figured most people use windows. 01:36:53 Okay, got that figured out. Thank you so much, guys. :D 01:40:20 KittyKatK8: init.txt is the main options file for crawl globally 01:40:41 you should really ignore me though 01:40:46 seeing as I haven't contributed to crawl in months 01:41:12 Eh, .crawlrc is the basically same text as init.txt, initially. 01:41:30 Now to see if I can make it so it only picks up glowing/branded ammo! 01:41:53 "enchanted" is a modifier i think 01:42:18 Okay, so any sort of glowy/runed etc should be covered by enchanted? 01:42:45 yes 01:43:04 They're randomised descriptions for "enchanted". 01:43:13 Hrm. Could I do ae = >unenchanted, or what? 01:43:17 If you play with wizmode and unID something you've enchanted it'll get a whingy 01:43:50 A whingy? 01:44:35 thingy 01:44:38 a descriptor 01:44:39 Oh, lol 01:44:40 it's funny :D 01:44:46 sorry i am seriously sleep deprived 01:45:03 It's cool, lol 01:51:52 Meh, I guess I'll just drop the unenchanted shit for now. 01:52:01 aw 01:54:34 I'm not gonna complain if you wanna explain how to keep it from picking up the unenchanted missiles. :P 01:55:09 you could use that thing that lets you provide a lua function to decide what to autopickup 01:55:15 I forgot what it is though 01:55:55 ahh, you can find an example in http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/MarvinPA.rc 01:56:08 starting at # Ammo autopickup, adapted from egopickup by rriegs 01:56:23 or also at # Armour autopickup by rwbarton 01:56:28 Thank you! 01:57:14 .... I don't think I'm good enough at coding to know how to implement that. xD 02:07:58 -!- shirish has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:09:41 ..... Okay this is annoying. 02:09:49 SO MANY STONES. 02:10:44 yeah if you use something like htat you'll have to tweak it to be how you want it 02:11:12 Yeah, switching back to ae = And just having to turn it off when not playing an assassin. 02:12:20 oh if you just want needles when you're an assassin you could do something like 02:12:28 : if you.class() == "Assassin" then 02:12:32 ae = Oh, duh. 02:12:38 Heheh. 02:12:43 : end 02:12:45 I uh 02:12:50 forget if that's how you do it but 02:12:59 something like that 02:13:05 I think it is 02:13:07 should work for simple cases like that 02:13:15 Let's see. :D 02:13:19 STONES ZOMG 02:14:03 It says there's an unexpected char near : when I open crawl after implementing that. 02:14:22 Oh, I forgot a space. 02:16:19 I also stuck in ae < for branded, ego, glowing, and runed. 02:16:26 Because I'll end up picking those up anyway. 02:39:02 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:23 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:32 -!- edlothiol has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:53:11 -!- KittyKatK8 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:14:29 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]] 03:45:32 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:09:03 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09:24 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:13 regarding xp values being often not threat-appropriate: 04:51:16 hydra (09D) | Speed: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | Health: 54-91 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Damage: 18 per head | Flags: amphibious, regen | Res: 06magic(52), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 1215. 04:51:16 %??hydra 04:51:22 deep elf master archer (15e) | Speed: 10 (msl: 60%) | HD: 15 | Health: 66-85 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Damage: 25, 5 | Res: 06magic(100) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1511. 04:51:22 %??deep elf master archer 04:52:25 a better fix would probably be changing the ranged to hit formula 04:53:33 because its a bit silly that any monster with a ranged weapon will suddenly hit you all the time, even if it has crap HD 04:53:51 also, RMsl/DMsl need some looking at 05:24:17 Is this a bug? If you draw the card Velocity from a deck and you become swift or hasty, chei punishes you even if you didn't know you were going to draw it 05:25:34 -!- headzone has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:29:51 -!- headzone has joined ##crawl-dev 05:30:24 let me think of a fix 05:31:00 reasoningwise, you know you have the possibility of becoming swift or hasty 05:31:09 gameplaywise, I have no idea if this is good or bad 05:31:24 fixwise, chei could negate such effects 05:31:39 yes 05:31:47 fixwise, that is by far the easiest way to do it 05:31:52 (otherwise you need to rewrite code elsewhere) 05:32:03 e.g. currently there's no concept of casting a spell unknowingly 05:35:18 -!- Dixbert has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35:23 monqy: http://pastebin.com/RvjN36db 05:35:26 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 05:36:47 and something similar for everything related? 05:36:53 What other cards need such checks? 05:37:01 dunno but 05:37:07 it's possible 05:37:34 Aha 05:37:37 Flight card can also swift you 05:37:51 like there's potion card, but what should you do about that? nothing? something? is it worth doing anything at all with this? maybe chei is better off as-is? 05:38:52 maybe before you put any effort into patching it you could put it on the wiki and get the devs to argue about it 05:40:17 ah, I see 05:40:21 the potion card also assumes you know what you're doing 05:40:27 and that could piss off other gods as well (zin) 05:40:50 oh 05:40:53 nvm, it's not like sparkling 05:40:54 can't roll mutation 05:41:08 legendary can get you speed though. sooo, chei again 05:41:36 if a change is needed here i don't think it should involve special-casing individual cards 05:42:47 since then you probably get bogged down in loads of different sources of haste/whatever 05:43:06 hmm 05:43:12 a blade card can make your weapon speed branded, right? 05:43:19 no 05:43:20 but I don't think that gives you pennance until you hit with it, so that's ok 05:43:23 no? even better 05:43:35 and yeah special-casing each effect is messybad 05:43:47 er 05:43:49 each effect source 05:44:05 dunno if crawl code allows for any clean way to do it 05:44:08 guessing: no 05:44:49 well, there are two sources of speed that these cards are producing that chei doesn't like 05:44:54 it's temporary branding in all cases, too 05:45:00 1) forcing you to cast swiftness, and by definition you can't unknowingly cast a spell according to crawl 05:45:11 2) potion effect of haste, which could be specified to be unknown instead of known 05:45:21 Xom can make you cast a spell 05:45:22 but it would be weird to have one solution for 2) and a different for 1) 05:45:23 well you sort of can, xom can force you to cast spells 05:45:32 and you don't get the blame for that 05:45:45 MarvinPA (L27 NaFE) ASSERT(zombie_class_size(cs) == Z_NOZOMBIE || zombie_class_size(cs) == mons_zombie_size(base)) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 2055 failed. (Zig:23) 05:45:48 hm 05:45:53 well that's not good 05:45:57 lol 05:46:20 I think chei's policy on decks should be the same as chei's policy on /random-effects 05:46:35 !lm . crash -log 05:46:36 I think it should too, actually 05:46:39 33. MarvinPA, XL27 NaFE, T:148542 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/MarvinPA/crash-MarvinPA-20120416-104540.txt 05:46:39 what's chei's policy on that? punishment for hasting? 05:46:58 chei's policy for /random effects is: if it's unidentified it's OK, if it's identified it is not cool if you use it and it hastes someone 05:48:22 any deck can have the Xom card 05:48:28 setting it up to work like that for decks would require passing to the code for each specific card a new boolean 'known' 05:48:29 also 05:48:32 oh dear, you're right 05:48:35 I didn't think about that... 05:51:52 well, currently when xom makes you drink a potion, it is treated as drinking a known potion 05:53:14 (this could also, e.g., piss off zin if you draw xom, xom makes you drink something mutagenic/glowy, and zin notices? I'm not sure) 05:54:45 cards are random, it makes sense for Zin to hate gambling 05:55:11 should zin also frown upon quaff iders? 05:55:26 Someone's been eating my porridge! (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5565) by Papa Bear 05:55:35 rofl 05:55:39 loel 05:56:03 anyway, I think when xom gives you a potion effect, it shouldn't be considered a known potion 05:57:08 seems reasonable, yeah 05:57:23 *looks at card_wrath and hmms* 05:57:28 can any miscast effect haste/swift you? 05:57:29 I hope not 05:58:26 it looks like in miscast-cc, all potion effects are considered unintentional 05:58:31 so that's not a problem 05:58:47 at least in the past an ench miscast could zerk you 05:59:10 dunno if that's still in or not 06:00:34 it still can, but it's marked as unintentional zerk 06:00:34 so chei is cool with that, bra 06:02:44 hmm, what about battlelust power 1? 06:02:47 what's DUR_BUILDING_RAGE 06:03:15 aha 06:03:20 it's a countdown to unintentional berzerk 06:03:24 so chei is fine with that too, ok 06:04:22 blade level 1 can give you a weapon of chaos temporarily, but I think in that case you can just unwield it 06:11:13 (blade could also give you draining under a good god, but again need to attack with it for said god to care, it seems) 06:15:30 the helix card doesn't piss off zin, it seems 06:17:02 ok, I think that's every card 06:17:46 here's my proposed patch http://pastebin.com/AFV4gw0U 06:19:10 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:51 for Zin, it may be not a bad idea to forbid gambling altogether 06:20:51 it makes xom potion effects considered unknown, velocity defuse under chei, flight not swift under chei, potion not haste under chei 06:20:52 hm, what if you stacked the deck and then converted to cheibriados? 06:20:57 not that anyone would ever do that 06:21:06 but then it definitely wouldn't be inadvertent 06:21:08 TSO and Ely are not so stuck up and may forgive random effects 06:21:32 only one card is guaranteed to haste/swift you, and that's velocity, the others are 'mmmmaybe' 06:21:36 I like the idea of zin forbidding gambling 06:22:40 (though, does he need more restrictions?) 06:22:53 yes 06:23:17 my nemelex xobeh -> zin for hell allrune strategy, ruined 06:23:28 wait, if he's not cool with gambling, is he OK with stacked decks? 06:23:30 not that I'd ever do that 06:23:31 well it's a pretty meaningless restriction 06:23:46 because non-nemelex worshippers probably only ever draw from identified decks, which is hardly gambling 06:24:54 unless you count the chance for oddities but that seems like a bit of a stretch 06:25:20 imo decks are rather lame :( 06:28:00 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:28:05 anyway, with the above proposed patch, the act of drawing from a deck should never piss off your god (note, for example, currently drawing helix does not piss off zin) 06:28:21 I have yet to see someone actually using scrolls to id decks. 06:28:41 should've been spectating my game 5 minutes ago then :P 06:28:45 I do it when I have nothing left to id 06:28:52 kilobyte: I do so all the time 06:28:55 I like the cards elixir and alchemist because I <3 heal wounds 06:29:03 on the other hand, quite a few decks are useful, although mostly for non-tactical use 06:29:03 kilobyte: quite a few people do it 06:29:05 including this game... currently I have a legendary elixir ready 06:29:09 the others I'd use too except I never think of when to use them with low evo 06:29:13 it's pretty useful, i've seen plenty of people do it 06:29:54 Patashu: without Nemelex, chances to draw a legendary card are pretty slim 06:30:01 ya 06:31:13 kilobyte: chance is 43% with 10 evo 06:33:54 still need to look at passwall 06:34:44 cards can have many unexpected bad effects. Angering your god being one of them seems acceptable to me. 06:35:09 And fixing it properly would be a hell lot of code too. 06:35:28 in the case of 'making it never anger gods no matter what new cards/gods are added' it would 06:35:40 in the case of 'not making it anger gods now' I think I just did it 06:36:05 we could go the other way, though - leave it as it is, and also make it so drawing helix angers zin 06:36:05 up to you 06:36:11 Patching it over and over deosn't seem to be worth it. 06:36:16 Patashu: I didn't read the whole backlog 06:36:40 http://pastebin.com/AFV4gw0U basically I made three cards not anger chei and made it so when xom does a potion effect, it's considered unknown instead of known 06:36:49 (it's pretty much all not making chei angry haha) 06:37:35 decks of defence and war are basically risk-free -- Damnation is ornate+, the new Protection Racket card is the only other real risk 06:37:47 protection racket card? 06:37:55 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:38:04 Patashu: Mercenary 06:38:05 can't destruction cast do draining or poison attack and anger TSO? 06:38:15 oh that one 06:38:26 galehar: can, and you can't cancel Venom 06:38:33 i don't think destruction effects anger the good gods 06:38:40 I'll check 06:39:06 ah, I forgot to look at these cards since they're all the way up here ^ 06:39:08 again, I don't think it's worth the effort to fix it. Penance isn't game ending. 06:39:21 tso seems fine with torment and agony from a pain card, but not with bolt of draining 06:39:25 (I meant, defence and war are safe for use outside of a dangerous situation) 06:39:33 as long as there's no way to get excommunicated by drawing blind, it's fine 06:39:35 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:39:48 MarvinPA: you get told what card it is, so that's ok 06:40:07 well that's pretty clearly inconsistent, though 06:40:15 perhaps even agony should cause penance as well, you could have cancel it 06:40:17 yeah 06:40:25 you can't cancel torment 06:40:45 galehar: what with Metamorphosis into lich? 06:41:27 kilobyte: this might be worth looking into it 06:41:30 lol another card I didn't think about 06:41:48 it says it's a forced transformation 06:41:56 so I don't think it will piss off the good gods 06:42:16 have to go 06:42:44 actually, it calls transform() in transform.cc directly 06:42:54 and said method doesn't seem to have any code for pissing off gods in it 06:43:02 (you probably have to cast necromutation the spell) 06:46:23 yeah, in spl-cast.cc if (spell == SPELL_NECROMUTATION && is_good_god(you.religion excommunication(); 06:46:34 and since it goes straight to transform(), metamorphosis won't get you excommunicated (whew) 06:46:51 seems like a bug 06:47:01 possibly 06:47:10 well 06:47:13 could just have the gods block it instead of excommunication 06:47:20 I think they do 06:47:21 onesec 06:48:09 if you worship zin, zin will protect you from transformations 06:48:16 ely and tso won't lift a finger to stop it 06:48:58 maybe it deserves a Funny Message at least 06:49:48 simple_god_message(" looks upon your undead state with suspicion..."); 06:50:29 "suspicion"? ... 06:50:34 I can't spell 06:50:35 btw 06:50:47 oh wait, that was right? weird 06:51:25 they're pretty serious about not allowing anyone undead, ever, for even a moment 06:52:01 the only way to become undead if you're not undead is TRANS_LICH, right? 06:52:37 the new barding unrand, sort of 06:52:47 but that's not actual proper undeadness and already annoys them 06:52:50 also, zin has a protection against transforming. so would he stop it or excommunicate you? 06:54:41 could a xom card transform you into a lich, as well? 06:55:34 it looks like it could, and it also calls transform() directly, so no excomm there either 07:14:25 Where could I make a post to summarize my findings/thoughts? 07:14:27 Mantis? 07:14:45 probably the devwiki would be best 07:15:49 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start this? 07:15:53 yeah 07:16:42 Does this count as a bug or as an implementable? 07:16:47 Or 07:17:15 well for the wiki you can just add it to an appropriate page (if there is one) 07:17:31 i guess https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:item:magical:decks 07:17:52 It's mostly but not entirely about decks, though 07:18:12 (It's also about xom wrath, e.g. if you go xom -> chei or xom -> tso) 07:18:53 oh right, well i don't think there's anything controversial about that bit 07:19:07 so i can push it in a bit 07:21:00 oh nevermind yeah, it's not just the potion thing 07:21:34 could put it on the wrath page then, maybe: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:concept:wrath 07:21:54 I'll put it on wrath 07:21:58 or, hmm 07:22:02 this is for specifically overhauling wrath 07:22:02 (mostly all about big overhaul ideas at the moment but you can add a new section) 07:28:13 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:32:28 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:51 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:31 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:49:16 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 07:51:35 ok, I summarized all the oddities I noticed here https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:concept:general 07:52:31 I spent an unnecessarily long time writing that, I am kind of ashamed of myself 07:56:44 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:57:21 MarvinPA_: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:concept:general&#unintentional_anger 07:57:45 ah nice, thanks 07:57:51 will take a proper look later 07:59:20 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:59:20 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 08:00:26 speaking of branding weapons, does tso prevent you from casting Poison Weapon? 08:00:46 wait, does tso still care about poison? 08:07:25 he does 08:08:01 the only restriction that has been lifted that I can think of is attacking confused/fleeing animals 08:10:06 -!- kek has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:11:00 I'm trying to find where in the code tso is notified of DID_POISON 08:11:16 he's notified if you get the olgreb's staff poison effect for instance 08:11:39 in general TSO doesn't get angry until you actually poison a monster 08:12:02 poison is relative 08:12:04 you can, for instance, use spider form as long as you don't poison anything as a spider 08:12:14 oh, I see 08:12:19 poison_monster and curare_hits_monster in beam.cc 08:13:42 so if you draw blade and get a poisoned weapon, tso doesn't care until you poison someone with it 08:14:21 and all the other offensive weapons offend their gods when you swing them 08:15:02 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:34 -!- Fa has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:51:13 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:35 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: MSN: Patashu@hotmail.com , Gmail: Patashu0@gmail.com , AIM: Patashu0 , YIM: patashu2 , Skype: patashu0 .] 09:02:18 patashu brings up a good point, maybe we should warn when you try to wield/cast stuff that isn't immediately poisonous but could be 09:02:36 e.g. so new players don't pick up a poisonous weapon and switch to it thinking they'll be able to use it 09:02:56 or worse, memorize spider form 09:03:48 you get a message, no? 09:08:15 i dunno, i am not inexperienced enough to try 09:08:26 -!- gnsh has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:31 but it sounded like you don't from what patashu said 09:08:33 or wear a shield of reflection... 09:08:42 a fix for that would certainly be nice 09:08:53 but afaik not that easy 09:08:58 alefury: i don't feel that tso should care about reflection 09:09:08 me too. but he does. 09:09:17 he doesn't care if you confuse a monster and it hits and poisons itself even though you get credit for the kill (afaik) 09:09:39 the thing is, you get the "blame" for reflected shots, so you get the exp, but also the wrath 09:09:49 for reflected poison 09:09:53 alefury: a hackish way would be to have an 'attack_is_reflection' bool that gets set and clear it at the end of the current attack 09:10:33