00:01:29 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-920-g68d6661 (32) 00:04:46 that function gets set as a function pointer reference in the branches struct in branch-data.h 00:18:28 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:18:53 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:11 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-920-g68d6661 00:23:08 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34:00 -!- qqryq has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:16 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:45:39 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10:53 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. (Hell) 01:11:10 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. (Hell) 01:12:03 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. (Hell) 01:12:26 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. (Hell) 01:15:33 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. (Hell) 01:15:44 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. (Hell) 01:30:56 hilarious! 01:32:25 OMFG LAUGHED SO MUCH, A+ would laugh at again. 01:32:43 Crash when entering Hell (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5532) by HilariousDeathArtist 01:34:13 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:33 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. (Hell) 01:37:37 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:42 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. (Hell) 01:41:01 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. 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(Hell) 01:48:04 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:48:04 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 02:04:01 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:14:22 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:06 -!- qqryq has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:37:40 -!- lord-naughty has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:37 -!- lord-naughty has quit [Client Quit] 02:44:39 -!- qqryq has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:25 -!- lord-naughty has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:07 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:17:27 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:33 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:51 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:35:41 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 04:43:32 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:26 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:57:45 for a rod at 17 max charge, does "Its capacity is at its max." sound clear enough? 04:57:47 03kilobyte * r0dbff5aea1c6 10/crawl-ref/source/skills2.cc: Fix skill() crashing with large scales. 04:57:52 03kilobyte * r0416c62321ae 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Reword the desc of rods with capacity of 17. 04:58:02 03kilobyte * rc09491017636 10/crawl-ref/source/effects.cc: Fix rod recharge calling skill() with an unbounded scale argument. 04:58:13 might as well use the word "maximum" 04:58:32 <|amethyst> kilobyte: "Its capacity can be increased no further." 04:59:30 ok, thanks 04:59:52 its power is maximum 05:00:02 (dumb meme) 05:00:06 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-920-g68d6661 05:00:33 (sorry for committing first, asking later, but commits to trunk are cheap, only stable need to be carefully reviewed) 05:00:38 <|amethyst> :) 05:01:26 <|amethyst> at least you don't usually leave out entire words from your commit messages 05:01:30 <|amethyst> or write "ancient list" 05:01:44 <|amethyst> at least, not as often as I 05:02:10 03kilobyte * rb8566880d304 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: A different wording for rods with big battery. 05:02:46 oh, the article counts as an entire word, I guess :p 05:03:06 <|amethyst> you're Polish, missing articles don't count :) 05:03:31 <|amethyst> (my advisor is Polish and has me proofread his stuff all the time, so I'm used to that) 05:04:05 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 05:10:09 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r9e51830b6536 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Prompt for abandoning a rune when leaving Pan via the Abyss as well. 05:10:10 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r8e3ca8cd7b6f 10/crawl-ref/source/Makefile: Comment the PROPORTIONAL_FONT and MONOSPACED_FONT makefile options. 05:10:10 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r767dc6cfa8b6 10/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc: Fix Stack Five not redrawing wielded decks. 05:10:10 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * re7f26a7a9326 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Don't let Swap, Damnation, Jiyva, Beogh and Xom affects monsters through glass. 05:10:11 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.10 * r3dd93e0ea775 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc: Fix unequipped items being cursed not disabling training (#5526). 05:10:11 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r6c56d2cbb6b0 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Horny cats may still have soft paws. 05:10:12 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * rb96e5f24b644 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Reword the desc of rods with capacity of 17. 05:10:12 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r012ff2d2a0c0 10/crawl-ref/source/effects.cc: Fix rod recharge calling skill() with an unbounded scale argument. 05:10:22 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r61997e2e868b 10/crawl-ref/source/skills2.cc: Fix skill() crashing with large scales. 05:10:44 <|amethyst> wait, just how big was the scale? 05:11:20 <|amethyst> 256 * you.time_taken... shouldn't the be just 30 or 40 when taking stairs? 05:12:45 it was around 11300, rods recharge while off-level 05:12:53 <|amethyst> ohhh 05:13:04 <|amethyst> I forgot that rods on the ground charge 05:13:08 <|amethyst> that explains it then 05:13:17 <|amethyst> shall I close the bug? 05:13:20 the guy was out of the Vestibule for a mere thousand turns, it can be a lot longer 05:13:30 <|amethyst> or are you on it 05:13:38 <|amethyst> s/close/resolve/ 05:16:21 closed although it'd be really nice to finally update 0.10 webtiles 05:17:20 -!- evilmike_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:17:26 <|amethyst> yay 05:17:29 <|amethyst> hm 05:21:53 recovering this guy's game for example is a good reason to do so 05:22:11 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:23 54 bug fixes since 0.10.0-32-gfa280cc 05:24:18 -!- CIA-115 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:25:36 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10.1-46-g012ff2d (32) 05:27:08 -!- evilmike has quit [*.net *.split] 05:27:09 -!- Zannick has quit [*.net *.split] 05:27:09 -!- CIA-62 has quit [*.net *.split] 05:27:22 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:33:16 -!- evilmike_ has quit [Quit: something happened] 05:33:51 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 05:41:23 <|amethyst> The OS X builds are Intel-only now, right? 05:46:50 current ones yeah, because no one has a PPC mac to investigate 05:47:29 there's some compiler breakage since Apple ships truly ancient gcc, and doesn't even apply point release fixes to it 05:47:53 (and in this case, they dropped support for PPC completely) 05:49:49 there's hope pearpc may work better than hackintosh, lemme download those images and take a look 05:50:01 <|amethyst> hm 05:50:13 <|amethyst> I've got an account on a PPC mac, let me see 05:50:23 oh cool, that'd be better 05:50:31 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:50:56 <|amethyst> probably out-of-date, but... 05:51:00 * kilobyte has no clue about Macs, so I'm not the best person to fight their toolchain. 05:51:49 <|amethyst> hrm, no git 05:52:27 Fink? Building git from sources? "make package-source"? 05:53:18 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:53:18 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 05:53:28 <|amethyst> building it from source 05:53:44 <|amethyst> this machine hasn't been updated in a long time, so I doubt fink works anymore 06:07:43 Debian builds of 0.10 branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10.1-46-g012ff2d 06:20:09 <|amethyst> first problem is that the Makefile wants to use -arch $(uname_M) but the latter is "Power Macintosh" 06:20:21 <|amethyst> hardcoding that as "ppc" for now 06:36:17 03|amethyst * r9f7189ef81c5 10/crawl-ref/source/ (melee_attack.cc mon-act.cc): Remove an unused macro and constify variables. 06:48:53 <|amethyst> and I get an ICE :) 06:49:09 <|amethyst> mon-util.cc:4291: error: insn does not satisfy its constraints: ... 06:53:52 IIRC it's just that bug that was fixed in a later point release 06:54:04 does compiling that file with -O0 help? 06:55:07 <|amethyst> I already removed the checkout (disk space is kind of tight on this machine) 07:28:24 03elliptic * r71bcc2540080 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/lua/autofight.lua: Don't try to hit orbs of destruction with autofight. 07:28:34 03elliptic * rfd88fc9cc671 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/lua/autofight.lua: Autofight: always prioritize attacking over moving. 07:29:30 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48:14 03elliptic * r1b668a146bb4 10/crawl-ref/source/evoke.cc: Don't let reaching weapons hit submerged monsters. 07:48:15 03elliptic * rc36f2231746f 10/crawl-ref/source/evoke.cc: Fix outdated comment. 08:06:00 -!- FaMott has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:33 -!- petete has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:28:14 03kilobyte * rda637328bd17 10/crawl-ref/source/ (16 files in 8 dirs): Make teleporters a feature of their own. 08:28:22 03kilobyte * re9f404eb0555 10/crawl-ref/source/Makefile: Force timestamps on .d to be same or older as those of .o 08:33:03 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:24 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:40:51 ill give the portal vault timers implementable a try at some point. maybe next week, maybe over easter if msysgit works on my laptop. unless someone else does it first of course. 08:45:42 alefury: <3 08:47:38 <|amethyst> that's just targetted teleporters, not teleportation traps, right? 08:48:26 ? 08:48:44 <|amethyst> should explore_stop = portals count teleporters? 08:48:44 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5503 08:49:09 <|amethyst> alefury: sorry, I was referring to kilobyte's commit from 20 minutes ago 08:50:25 <|amethyst> kilobyte * rda637328bd17 /crawl-ref/source/ (16 files in 8 dirs): Make teleporters a feature of their own. 08:56:59 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:52 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02:13 alefury: many thanks! 09:10:39 so, DNGN_TREE and DNGN_SWAMP_TREE are out of place in their enum given that they can't be reached past 09:11:18 is there any easy way to fix this without wrecking saves? 09:17:21 elliptic: maybe special case them in feat_is_solid? 09:19:33 I've been thinking of making grates a semi-solid feat btw (not sure if it's related) 09:19:52 clouds should go through grates, and tree too I guess 09:20:03 being solid and being able to use reaching are different 09:20:34 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:37 so what's the current behaviour of trees? And how are you trying to change it? 09:20:43 I'm not trying to change it 09:21:04 current behavior is that you can't reach through them, as I said 09:21:52 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:06 and orcish idol? (sorry, can't test right now) 09:22:06 this behavior is not achieved via DNGN_MAX_NONREACH, though 09:22:12 if save compat makes something hard to do, feel free to change it on portal_branches or on a new branch 09:22:20 you can reach through orcish idols and statues 09:22:20 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:53 all I'm actually doing is fixing autofight to not try to reach through trees, so I'll just special-case them somewhere I guess 09:22:56 |amethyst: yeah, they're sort of a portal, even if a short-distance one 09:23:43 |amethyst: the description probably sucks, too -- I took the existing one that fits ZigSprint, but may be iffy for Ice Caves or that The Teleporter vault. 09:25:36 elliptic: it was you who added lua moninfo:is_very_stabbable(). I'm adding moninfo:stabbability() that's not restricted to just one kind of stabs, is there are reason to keep the old one? 09:26:20 elliptic: I'd say add a feat_can_be_reached through function in terrain.cc with a comment that when TAG_MAJOR_VERSION is bumped, it should be changed to just <= DNGN_MAX_NONREACH 09:27:12 is the reaching terrain restriction consistent between monsters and players currently? 09:27:25 kilobyte: if stabbability will give strictly more information than is_very_stabbable does, then sure, remove it 09:27:26 you can sort whatever you want in #ifdefs, or if you can't be bothered to put many of them, on a branch (like portal_branches) 09:27:46 elliptic: I mean, do you suspect anyone has that in their scripts? 09:28:33 kilobyte: it was just added for autofight so I doubt it 09:28:42 yes, it returns 1.0 for every case is_very_stabbable would return true 09:29:20 (lua has no integer type, so I didn't bother with enums, and used stab bonus as a fraction of max) 09:42:09 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:09 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:45:10 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 09:58:13 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:42 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-931-ge9f404e (32) 10:06:31 03elliptic * rf11f6ed907e7 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Don't waste turns trying to hit rock worms when it will do nothing. 10:06:32 03elliptic * rf59194413981 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/lua/autofight.lua l_view.cc): Autofight: don't try to reach through glass or trees. 10:06:32 03elliptic * r14d7242575c3 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files): Add feat_is_reachable_past to handle trees correctly. 10:06:32 03elliptic * rdf75ef035110 10/crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h terrain.cc): Reorder some feature type enums in the next major version. 10:09:35 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:51 -!- qqryq has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:12:33 elliptic: good work. There's still the matter of autofight attacking and firing at plants. 10:12:54 it doesn't attack plants in melee afaik 10:13:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:13:28 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 10:13:33 ranged autofight could be improved a lot though 10:13:47 but that's pretty complicated because you need to compute all the rays 10:14:07 I kinda remember that I attacked a plant with autofight when there was a monster behind (instead of going around it) 10:14:18 you mean with a reaching weapon? 10:14:33 not sure 10:14:34 it will try to reach past plants, and hit them 50% of them time... this doesn't seem awful to me 10:14:52 I think the monster was farther away 10:14:56 i think it goes around plants now for the most part, it didnt use to, though. has been changed in the last round of autofight improvements iirc. 10:15:01 it's downright broken with respect to poison and constriction: it always hits the damaged monster, which is precisely what you don't want to (unless it has a high priority for other reasons) 10:15:01 maybe this was an old version of autofight that attacked plants? 10:15:28 oh, right, it should prioritize constricting monsters for sure 10:15:29 maybe. It was 0.10, but I might be misremembering. 10:15:45 I still think the damage thing is good in most cases 10:15:49 I mean, assuming you started constricting. In the early game, the monster is a goner. 10:16:39 elliptic: looks like we disagree about absolute prioritizing vs weights. What if we had two versions, with a switch? 10:17:02 kilobyte: sure 10:17:16 ok, plant behaviour seems fine 10:17:21 one of the most important things is autofight needs to be easy to predict 10:17:41 for ranged, I was thinking maybe the ranged AI could be adapted for autofight. I'll try to have a look at it. 10:18:29 kilobyte: we've had this discussion before and I tend to agree with what alefury just said (which is basically impossible with weights), but trying out alternatives would be good 10:18:46 alefury: I fail to see any reason for that -- if you cared which monster dies first (assuming it's good enough out of the box), you wouldn't use autofight 10:20:11 I'm experimenting with new functions for escaping constriction. THe current one depends on player size and monster HD. I was thinking of using str and HD instead. Opinions? 10:20:15 also, rigid rules can't respond to new data -- like, that orc turned out to have draining or distortion 10:20:16 i use autofight against medium strength groups all the time. because i know whats going to happen, and i just have to use one key even if i get trampled or something. and of course i always use it for single enemies, including most summoners. 10:20:54 basically, i dont like pressing keys in unsafe situations without knowing what they will do 10:20:59 alefury: a summoned monster deserves a smaller weight than the summoner 10:21:13 yeah, that came up at some point 10:21:37 it tends to work pretty well already though, with the hd and damaged priority 10:21:43 alefury: so it should be smarter... it can pay attention all the time, unlike you 10:21:53 usually autofight will kill one summon (it comes into range first), then the summoner 10:23:12 having an option for smarter but less predictable autofight would be nice, sure 10:23:30 if its good enough it should be fine, it would just take a while to get there 10:23:49 why would I keep bothering with that wounded ufetubus if there's a fresh neqoxec next to me? 10:23:52 any news on non-lua autofight? 10:24:14 non-lua? 10:24:34 like, actual c++ code 10:24:37 galehar: i think str/hd sounds good, yeah 10:25:16 shouldn't octopodes be far weaker than nagas? 10:25:17 i suppose having it in user lua makes sure it doesnt access stuff it shouldnt, but wouldnt it be much easier to do and faster in c? 10:25:30 assuming that low str/high ev players will have a better chance of not getting constricted in the first place 10:26:09 alefury: having it in lua makes it possible for players to modify it themselves pretty easily 10:26:49 and also makes it possible to steal improvements that players make 10:27:27 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:39 maybe a more hybrid solution? moving some of the heavier ai stuff (like the "calculating all the beams" you mentioned) into a lua-wrapped c++ function? 10:29:50 well, yeah 10:30:00 also, shortcuts for some commands could be useful (reach-attack place x), autofight is slower and more affected by command lag than it needs to be. 10:30:29 uh, how is autofight affected by lag? 10:31:20 reach-attack = 2+ keypresses, i think autofight always uses more than 2 because it doesnt know the current target. 10:31:29 each keypress is affected by lag 10:31:36 what sort of lag are you talking about 10:31:58 in webtiles i can see the targeting process of reach-autofight, in local tiles i cant. 10:32:17 sometimes theres even a hint of it in local tiles 10:32:29 i suspect it works the same for console, but i wouldnt know 10:32:39 hm... I've never noticed anything in console 10:33:02 i get keypress lag on webtiles -- i notice when spectating that others don't have it 10:33:17 it actually makes webtiles fairly unplayable most of the time 10:33:40 its probably very minor for me (im german), but i only played for a bit during the tourney, so at heavy server load 10:33:52 maybe that caused it, im not sure 10:33:55 i've gone back to local tiles for the most part, it's really nice having responsiveness! 10:34:15 i found during the tournament sometimes there would be extended freezes, but the general lag is just as bad under light load 10:34:41 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:14 anyway skipping targetting for such attacks should be doable 10:49:06 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:53:29 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:38 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:29 there's a lot of people reporting terrible lag on webtiles. Even in europe. 11:12:50 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20111108220737]] 11:19:31 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq is now known as Zannick 11:35:03 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:38 -!- alefury|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:10 -!- Dixbert has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:20 -!- alefury|2 has quit [Client Quit] 11:44:28 -!- alefury|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:00 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:25 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:51 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:11:13 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:55 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:15:59 -!- Danei has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:43 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:03 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:33:07 Yup, i'm in the uk, should be great from here. there was a tavern thread about whether it was related to Windows 7 64bit, but it was somewhat inconclusive. 12:49:27 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:37 I run from the UK over a 100Mb line on a Mac and it still lags, but the lack of the little health bar under the player is more annoying than the lag. 12:57:36 depends what you define as "lag" 12:57:46 it feels in the region of 300-500ms to me sometimes 12:59:33 maybe not quite .. maybe 100-300ms 13:00:29 I think it's the variance that feels weird. A consistent ping of 200-300 wouldn't be too noticeable playing an RTS for example. 13:02:32 200ms really isn't much... I've been in europe for a few months but 200ms to CDO was pretty standard for me in USA, and it felt fine 13:02:51 (in console) 13:10:34 hmm... webtiles doesn't have a ping display wonder if I can estimate with wireshark... 13:15:10 03MarvinPA * rfa9c2b99e64a 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Improve Naga constriction gain message 13:15:20 03MarvinPA * rebb559fa1f9b 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-project.cc: Simplify and increase boulder beetle damage 13:17:51 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:35 <|amethyst> lord-naughty: you can't really compare RTS though, because unlike those Crawl needs a round-trip after every command (it can't simulate the game state in the client) 13:19:55 <|amethyst> s/compare RTS/compare with RTSes/ 13:20:48 good thing autoexplore exists 13:26:21 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:29:00 yeah, autoexplore/autotravel is fine, everything moves really fast. but as soon as i'm inputting commands it just feels sluggish. 13:29:16 for a game that involves as much keyboard input as crawl, that adds up a lot over a game. 13:30:53 maybe it's just happening worse for me 13:33:37 -!- syllogism has quit [] 13:33:51 well most RTSs are lockstepped which does require a roundtrip but yes, you can't interpolate or use other lag hiding techniques on crawl 13:52:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:59:07 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:25 -!- SoulOfTheInterne has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:34 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:04:39 -!- SoulOfTheInterne is now known as ToBeFree 14:04:47 -!- SoulOfTheInterne has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:11 -!- SoulOfTheInterne has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:05:22 -!- SoulOfTheInterne has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:37 -!- SoulOfTheInterne has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:08 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:14:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:06 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:24:03 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:45 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:00 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:43:59 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. (Hell) 14:45:58 elliptic: blade is saying on the forum that you use distortion unwield as an escape option. Is he crazy or am I missing something? 14:46:29 no, it is a standard escape option 14:46:50 it is a bit desperate but still can save you 14:47:23 two especially good times to use it: ziggurats and orbrun 14:47:24 in very specific cases I guess 14:47:40 also if you are confused and can't unconfuse yourself 14:48:22 ??translocation miscast 14:48:23 translocation miscast[1/1]: By severity: 1: 4-12dmg / 4-10&blink / spatial vortex 2: 9-31 / 5-13&confuse&(blink or teleport) / 2-4 sp. vorts / banish 3: 15-43 / 9-25&tele&conf / banish / hostile malign gateway / 0-18 glow 14:48:58 disto unwield nearly always gives a severity 3 miscast, and two of those five are pretty good escape options (instant teleport and abyssing) 14:49:09 I see how it can be useful in a bad zig level, but in the orb run? Cornered by a nasty pan lord? 14:49:27 and two of the other three are mostly harmless (malign gateway and glow) 14:50:32 galehar: 50% of teleports are delayed, so instant teleport is very nice on orbrun, and abyss is a safe place to go on orbrun 14:50:53 ok, thanks :) 14:50:55 mainly I've used it right after ninjaing the orb, to get out of the vault half of the level 14:52:22 even in normal play, though, I always carry around a disto weapon if I have one 14:55:21 for desperate times :) 14:55:57 <|amethyst> I think you can still use distortion unwield to scum bazaars, can't you? 14:56:14 <|amethyst> or was that fixed (when you return, the bazaar has been regenerated with new items) 14:56:15 I'm pretty sure that was patched over 14:56:18 <|amethyst> okay 14:56:30 and portal_branches has the real fix 14:56:30 <|amethyst> something made me think it was waiting on portal_branches 14:56:32 or something like that 14:56:58 the current status is that you go back to D instead of the bazaar; in portal_branches, you should go back to the same bazaar you left 14:57:28 <|amethyst> aha, that was it 14:57:59 <|amethyst> it was fixed by going back to the old behaviour for portals, then 15:07:01 03kilobyte * r3924635d3072 10/crawl-ref/source/l_moninf.cc: Add monster.stabbability to lua. 15:07:02 03kilobyte * r394a83c93828 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/pl/items.txt: Update .pl translations. 15:07:12 03kilobyte * rc76b155cc9ba 10/crawl-ref/source/ (l_moninf.cc l_you.cc): Add {you,monster}.is_constrict{ed,ing} to clua. 15:07:12 03kilobyte * r8991009d6377 10/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.reST: Sync manual with the wiki. 15:07:12 03kilobyte * r625c816a69e6 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/lua/autofight.lua l_moninf.cc): Remove monster.is_very_stabbable(). 15:08:27 edlothiol: how hard is it to update 0.10 webtiles? There's a number of long-fixed bugs, including some that break games. 15:08:44 mumra, |amethyst: after a bit of wiresharking and some potentailly incorrect assumptions it looks like the webtiles lag isn't due to the network. I'm getting a mean ping of 41, and a variance of 99. probably client side rendering 15:09:06 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:18 hello! i have a question on Vault Ethics 15:09:26 lord-naughty: i had a suspicion it was related to display updated, although i asked napkin about one possibility and he didn't think it was the case 15:09:42 <|amethyst> lord-naughty: hm, so probably need to do some browser profiling 15:10:35 <|amethyst> nicolae-: evilmike's probably the expert there (he's lawful evil I guess) but ask away 15:10:44 |amethyst: the tavern thread was posted by someone who had serious lag on all browser in windows 7 64bit; but the same machine booted into ubuntu ran perfectly 15:10:56 nicolae-: vaults are something we can help with, ethics not really 15:11:38 kilobyte: so mon.is_constricting() doesn't distinguish between a monster who is constricting you and a monster who is constricting a friend? 15:12:33 the vault item definition syntax lets you specify brands on things that don't normally have that brand, like boots of see invisible or clubs of reaping or whatever, i was thinking of a vault with a shop, called like Foo's Factory Defects or whatever, where it's stocked full of such off-brand items (though probably with neg enchantment or curses, for theme and balance), would this sort of thing be 1) fine 2) okay but only in moderation 15:12:35 --- t only in moderation 3) just the worst idea 15:13:07 elliptic: I can't think of a good way to pass the constrictee to query, lua has no way to pass "you" 15:13:49 <|amethyst> well, ice caves and volcanoes give items with abnormal properties 15:13:58 add mons.get_constrictee() and mons.is_constricting_you() 15:14:02 <|amethyst> so there's precedent as long as the combo isn't insane 15:14:22 mons.get_constrictees() even 15:14:39 ah, cool 15:14:49 mumra: mons.get_constrictees() won't be able to pass "you" again 15:15:06 kilobyte: that's why you also need is_constricting_you() 15:15:36 yeah, so probably no naga bardings of running (at least not unless it was cursed and -5, maybe) 15:15:40 nicolae-: definitely moderation. I'm not a fan of off-ego items like that but as |amethyst says, they currently exist very rarely 15:15:55 no naga bardings of running at all, since we have an unrand for that 15:15:59 ah, right 15:16:00 <|amethyst> also, they should work 15:16:06 <|amethyst> so no blowguns of flaming 15:16:30 <|amethyst> unless the same shop sells unbranded needles, but that's pushing it I think :) 15:16:48 nicolae-: also, if they don't generate randomly, it means they are untested. New combos could lead to bugs, so you need to test. 15:17:04 yeah, i would definitely test it first, yeah 15:17:12 hm, two yeahs. i only needed one. 15:17:12 <|amethyst> does reaping ever appear on non-unrands currently? 15:17:22 scythes and missiles, according to badwiki 15:17:23 <|amethyst> I don't think I've ever seen it except on botono and zonguldrok 15:17:35 and launchers 15:17:49 <|amethyst> in particular, I've never seen it on a missile or launcher 15:18:07 <|amethyst> then again, I don't ID those all that often so I may have missed one or several 15:18:29 missiles haven't got it for two years already 15:18:38 <|amethyst> ah 15:18:41 way to be up to date, wiki 15:18:48 i saw a scythe with it recently i think 15:18:59 <|amethyst> and I definitely don't ID scythes unless they're artefacts :) 15:19:40 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. (Hell) 15:19:57 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 DsAs) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed. (Hell) 15:20:02 seriously, badwiki needs deactivation. what little accurate information it has is next to useless because you always have to double check anyway. 15:20:04 scythes having it is incredibly pointless since players don't use scythes and reaping is nearly useless on hostiles 15:20:07 hrm, it pains me we can't get HilariousDeathArtist's game unstuck 15:21:39 <|amethyst> nicolae-: long sword of returning ? 15:21:40 <|amethyst> :) 15:21:53 hahahaha 15:22:15 yeah, i'm kind of interested in "mostly useless" items like that, mostly for the comedy value (the theme of the shop is defective items, after all). i was also going to have naga bardings of poison resist and see invis 15:22:31 <|amethyst> hm: Error: Ego 'returning' is incompatible with item 'long sword' 15:22:41 ah, true 15:22:48 shame 15:23:05 ie, the checks work correctly 15:23:29 i was going to have a bow of flaming (NOT flame) but figured most players would think it was a bug 15:23:48 <|amethyst> also doesn't work 15:23:49 that sounds like a bad idea, yes :P 15:24:03 by the way, can't we unify the two brands? 15:24:09 <|amethyst> dagger ego:reaching might be a bit broken (stab bonuses), but what about reaching on a hand axe? 15:24:22 03kilobyte * r620290a1e090 10/crawl-ref/source/l_moninf.cc: Add monster.is_constricting_you() to lua. 15:24:51 <|amethyst> exploding large rocks :) 15:25:14 hahaha, yeah 15:25:21 |amethyst: this works, the non-strict check is supposed to disallow only those that don't work for technical reasons 15:25:32 kilobyte: so wait, doesn't lua_pushstring work? 15:25:47 yeah i have a guy in wizmode now, he's got a bow of flaming and a bow of flame, only the latter shoots flaming arrows 15:25:53 exploding large rocks make sense even without being a joke 15:26:04 <|amethyst> hm 15:26:15 <|amethyst> one problem: they explode into a bunch of exploding stones 15:26:24 <|amethyst> which might be a bit too good :) 15:26:28 we'll just bump the price up 15:26:43 <|amethyst> exploding javelins maybe 15:26:59 exploding is not a very strong brand 15:27:04 yeah, i don't want everything to be a joke, the idea is mostly to have some weird combinations on armour and weapons that you can't get anywhere else, if you're willing to maybe spend some EW or RC on them 15:27:08 elliptic: as in, you'd want to pass an array of names? This in turn seems useless for everything but "you", as an array/table of moninfo objects would do that and more. 15:28:05 nicolae-: there are some weird cases, like plate mails of levitation. Someone (Keskitalo?) requested these, but never got around to actually placing one in a vault. 15:28:35 <|amethyst> +10 robe of ponderousness 15:28:41 hahaha 15:28:52 kilobyte: I guess, yeah 15:29:02 somewhere a chei naga just fistpumped a little 15:29:31 i'll make sure to test the really weird stuff out, then, see what breaks 15:29:37 nicolae: an amulet with stasis and random tele 15:29:50 nicolae-: if it breaks but makes sense, please shout 15:30:25 <|amethyst> what's the syntax for ponderous? 15:30:27 mumra: i don't think you can specify brands on jewellery, i don't know if you can define your own randarts. i'll have to check. kilobyte: will do. 15:30:28 mumra: that's pointless, but what about rMut and Contam? 15:30:30 <|amethyst> ego:ponderous doesn't seem to work 15:30:49 ego:ponderousness? 15:30:50 ponderousness 15:30:54 <|amethyst> ah, that's is 15:30:55 <|amethyst> it 15:31:49 <|amethyst> aww, Ego 'archery' is incompatible with item 'shield'. 15:31:51 i was originally thinking that a lot of the stuff would be generated with negatives or curses as balance, do you think this would be necessary, or just on the more ridiculous stuff 15:32:12 nicolae-: you can specify jewel brands, but those all make sense. Can't define unrands from lua. 15:32:59 <|amethyst> you can ask for a randart with a particular base item, but you can't specify the properties 15:33:00 i mean, you can't do ring of poison resistance ego:cold_resistance and get double resists 15:33:12 curses take a single scroll, one that you have tens of stashed unless you're on D:3 or currently doing Tomb 15:33:17 <|amethyst> right, because that's an artefact property not an ego 15:33:45 <|amethyst> similarly you can't specify multiple egos on armour or weapons, even if the combination would be possible with randart properties 15:33:49 in the vault syntax i think specifying "cursed" automatically gives it negative pluses, at least 15:33:58 a plate mail of levitation wouldn't be unbalanced even without any drawbacks 15:34:07 <|amethyst> you can say "cursed mundane" but not e.g. "cursed good_item" 15:34:11 (less useful than rF+ or rN+) 15:34:58 |amethyst: "good_item cursed" works 15:35:05 <|amethyst> oh, it does 15:35:06 <|amethyst> ? 15:35:12 <|amethyst> I thought cursed overrode that 15:35:52 branding troll armours and dragon armours - i'm guessing "nope" 15:36:06 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it looks like it does the same as "cursed" 15:36:17 <|amethyst> kilobyte: good_item cursed trident gave me a cursed -2,-3 trident 15:36:37 <|amethyst> nicolae-: oh, and now you can do cursed plus:2 as well 15:36:40 |amethyst: i think i changed this in my demigods branch, because i wanted to give Ashenzari minions good cursed items 15:36:51 nicolae-: there is a vault with a fire dragon armour ego:life_protection already 15:37:16 don't worry too much about these weird items being overpowered, especially if they are in a shop 15:37:27 we give out powerful unrands on the floor :P 15:37:40 that's a pretty good point, yes. 15:38:08 worse comes to worst the line gets taken out of the shop item list and life goes on 15:38:27 best to concern yourself with "does it work" and "is it interesting/amusing" 15:38:41 <|amethyst> looks like the checks already prevent a lot of things with armour at least 15:39:19 <|amethyst> e.g. running only works on boots/bardings, reflection only on shields, darkness only on cloaks 15:39:37 so a helmet of running won't actually make you faster, it'll just say "running"? 15:39:44 |amethyst: and if such a check is missing, please fix/shout 15:39:48 <|amethyst> you can't even generate it 15:40:01 nicolae-: that used to be the case before checks were added, yeah 15:40:17 amethyst: are you sure? i got a wizmode guy with a helmet of running right now 15:40:35 &o and &t ignore checks, &% does not 15:40:46 ...probably i should stop using demonspawn as my default wizmode species if i want to test armour 15:40:46 <|amethyst> I'm using &% to test 15:40:47 ahhhhhhh 15:40:50 i was not aware 15:41:01 <|amethyst> since if it doesn't pass that it won't work at runtime either 15:41:11 <|amethyst> s/at runtime/in a vault/ 15:42:12 Cursed ranged weapon wielded can still train unarmed combat (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5533) by XuaXua 15:42:18 |amethyst: "Error: Ego 'running' is incompatible with item 'helmet'." 15:42:25 <|amethyst> kilobyte: yeah 15:43:25 <|amethyst> kilobyte: are the checks for darkness => cloak, intelligence => helmet, etc all necessary? 15:43:42 it makes sense that brands can affect the part of the body they are nearest 15:44:03 <|amethyst> but you can get randarts with equivalent properties in other slots, just not the base type 15:44:08 <|amethyst> s/type/ego/ 15:44:09 so maybe "gloves of speed" could let you attack slightly faster instead of running faster? 15:44:31 aw, no gloves of see invisible. 15:44:32 -!- lord-naughty has left ##crawl-dev 15:44:40 player_equip_ego_type(EQ_ALL_ARMOUR, SPARM_DARKNESS) -- yeah, the check is a bit overzealous 15:44:43 note: a weapon of speed attacks faster, it doesn't make you run faster 15:44:45 <|amethyst> but why not allow helmets of spirit shield? 15:44:54 <|amethyst> since caps of spirit shield are possible 15:44:57 not sure whether to change the check or the line, though 15:45:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:46:24 03elliptic * rd79910743b2e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/lua/autofight.lua: Autofight: Attack monsters who are constricting you first. 15:46:34 <|amethyst> I think it makes sense to relax is_armour_brand_ok to only disallow contradictory, nonfunctional, or overpowered combinations 15:46:47 <|amethyst> I mean, no one is going to write any armour ego:archmagi 15:46:53 <|amethyst> and if they do, maybe they really mean it 15:49:14 <|amethyst> to me that kind of restriction is more like "speed only on short blades and staves" than "reaping only on melee weapons" 15:50:19 i would make a vault with a pre-identified any armour ego:archmagi and stick it in no_tele_into behind permaglass in an entry vault 15:50:22 |amethyst: uhm no, a number of vaults relies on "any armour ego:something" 15:50:48 the strict mode can be used to distinguish between those, though 15:51:07 but I doubt it makes sense to allow totally out of whack cases 15:52:06 where's the code that does the brand checks? 15:52:22 Naga(Player) got poison. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5534) by C1709 15:54:15 <|amethyst> nicolae-: makeitem.cc, is_{armour,weapon}_brand_ok 15:54:20 cool 15:56:47 time to make a big list of goofy items and get to work, i guess! 15:57:08 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:19 03kilobyte * r8d4e6acd5702 10/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc: Make checks for armour brands way, way, waaay too loose in non-strict mode. 16:00:46 is strict mode for item generation, and non-strict for vaults? 16:01:14 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:01:14 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 16:03:11 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:08:23 03|amethyst * rdb1e54f8ecda 10/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc: Call attention to some switch fall-throughs. 16:10:54 hrm, that kind of comments are fugly :( 16:11:11 even empty lines can do that better 16:12:45 <|amethyst> kilobyte: It's easy to miss, especially since this switch uses 'return' rather than 'break' 16:13:57 <|amethyst> so I see three instances of "any armour.*ego:" in the des files 16:14:31 huh, the syntax doc says that's not allowed. 16:14:44 <|amethyst> one in dwarf (positive energy), one in spider (poison resistance), and one in shops (poison resistance) 16:18:35 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:38 <|amethyst> could change those to produce shields, cloaks, robes, or plate with some chance 16:19:18 <|amethyst> or maybe it's possible to pass strict=true if the subtype was randomly selected 16:20:39 The Lair entry with Snorg kinda feels like it shouldn't be in the game (not because he's dangerous, but because he's dangerous, fast, and doesn't fit into any sort of Lair theme. 16:21:08 |amethyst: eh, how do you do it _without_ strict=true? 16:21:33 blade: well, you see uniques pop up in weird places all the time 16:21:51 They're not usually defined in those weird places as part of entry vaults, though. 16:22:41 <|amethyst> kilobyte: items() and parse_single_spec() call it with strict=false 16:22:53 maybe he got lost? 16:22:53 <|amethyst> kilobyte: so any itemspec 16:23:14 |amethyst: any itemspec with a specific item type 16:23:24 ie, explicitely requested 16:24:25 <|amethyst> kilobyte: parse_single_spec handles "any base-type" 16:25:33 |amethyst: the previous clause excludes items with no set subtype 16:25:41 <|amethyst> yeah, I just saw that 16:26:44 -!- lord-naughty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:25 If I were to start a discussion on the devwiki about overhaul/removal of felids, where would I put it? 16:30:04 <|amethyst> I'd think dcss:brainstorm:species:cat 16:30:45 <|amethyst> ( Features : Feedback & Proposal � Species � Felid ) 16:30:50 alright, thanks 16:31:20 i like the idea of felids. i'm not so great at playing them, though. 16:31:22 <|amethyst> okay, those vaults do seem to work properly still, good 16:32:32 I'm not strictly against felids, but I think they're in a very inadequate form right now 16:32:43 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:38:22 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 16:53:02 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:25 thanks for your help/advice everybody 16:56:26 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 16:59:40 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:25 Blade-: FR: a dog race. Leaves a train of droll, INT capped at 1. Null stealth, has shoutitis 3 (with appropriate vocalisation type). Can't reach anything above waist level. 17:00:40 droll train 17:00:58 -!- StoneSouper has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:06 sounds fun. Someone should begin to implement it posthaste. 17:01:08 but obviously it can still use equipment and armour 17:01:11 on the other hand, felids are happy Crawl has no containers. No cat can walk past one without going inside :p 17:01:13 Hello, anybody here who can help me out with stone soup? I'm getting a crash error. 17:01:15 proposal for constriction escape chance: (3+n)d(8+str/5) vs 5d(8+HD/3) 17:01:17 http://pastebin.com/gMmmYAkK 17:01:20 I'm on a mac and I've just opened it up 17:01:42 n is number of attempts including this one (so it starts at 1 on the first try) 17:01:54 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:14 wensley I cannot believe you had any difficult with those instructions while I was gone 17:02:15 -!- Wensley_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:18 difficulty 17:02:40 HangedMan: learn how to use git!!! 17:02:40 Wensley: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:02:44 !messages 17:02:45 (1/1) HangedMan said (2m 13s ago): god damn you, learn how to read vaults!!! 17:02:50 what's exactly the point of EVER trying to escape constriction? 17:02:58 you'd get re-constricted the very next turn 17:03:16 on the other hand, actually killing the monster deals with the problem 17:03:28 elliptic suggested stunning the constrictor on a successful escape 17:03:34 for 5 aut or whatever 17:04:02 it makes sense to me that the constrictor would need a little time to regroup after you break free 17:04:20 also, why would you get re-constricted the next turn even without that? 17:04:31 I am on a mac, this is my message: 17:04:32 http://pastebin.com/1rYmvv7r 17:04:33 that'd help against nagas but if we take, say, and anaconda... 17:04:38 I just cannot open Stone Soup 17:04:42 without that, presumably the constrictor just attacks again 17:04:45 maybe against an anaconda, but not against a naga, and not against a tentacled monstrosity 17:04:51 zannick: but you are a square away 17:04:51 I am able to get the loading screen, but other than that. Nothing 17:05:13 @??anaconda 17:05:13 anaconda (15S) | Speed: 18 | HD: 11 | Health: 42-78 | AC/EV: 4/16 | Damage: 3003(constrict)(crush), 20 | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(44), 12drown | XP: 1452. 17:05:16 elliptic: how would this stun work? Can the monster act at all? Does it just prevents it from using it constriction attack? 17:05:18 elliptic: is that how escaping works? i didn't realize that you also moved away as part of it 17:05:27 StoneSouper: i don't think anyone here knows much about mac stuff, sorry... could you make a bug report on mantis? 17:05:39 Okay, good idea. MarvinPA 17:05:44 galehar: "stun" means lower monster energy by some amount, see freeze and holy word for examples 17:06:17 StoneSouper: Mac stuff is woefully undermaintained, only one inactive person does even own one 17:06:19 sqlite3 crash on mac 17:06:29 have uploaded a tweaked golubria wizlab but I will wait for evilmike to discuss the monster set and such 17:06:29 just looking at the trace 17:06:36 ok, so escaping an anaconda might not be the best idea because even stunned, it is likely to recover and constrict again 17:06:46 kilobyte: well, pulling free of an anaconda would at least reset the damage timer, and if you were hasted when doing so then you wouldn't get reconstricted again (with a half-turn stun) 17:06:48 but against all the other constrictors, it might help 17:07:37 StoneSouper: I have no problems getting any odd distribution, FooBSD, every single version of Windows... it's only Apple that decides to restrict the toolchain 17:07:40 even currently, you don't get reconstricted against a naga unless you worship chei or something... but the stun would help against tentacled monstrosity for sure 17:08:09 what about my escape formula ? 17:08:41 Kilobyte, yes apple can be a bit restrictive at times. I will try running it with a wine port. 17:09:05 walking away isn't going to help unless there's a summon or a teleport trap nearby, or you're hasted 17:09:34 StoneSouper: it _should_ work natively, it's just that no one of us online right now can debug your problem 17:09:39 anaconda skeletons, teleporters 17:09:50 Okay, what time should I come on? 17:09:52 kilobyte: if you are talking about a tentacled monstrosity, you can just keep running... and by then you should have a haste source 17:10:06 and again, resetting the damage timer is nice 17:10:15 !seen greatzebu 17:10:15 I last saw greatzebu at Tue Apr 3 06:30:03 2012 UTC (1d 15h 40m 12s ago) quitting with message Quit: greatzebu. 17:10:25 galehar: the chances look too low to me 17:10:39 especially for the high hd stuff it looks pretty low, yeah 17:10:40 Need I login? 17:10:41 at least for the first attempt or two 17:11:00 although there is a circumstance where a tentacled monstrosity is faster then the average player 17:11:06 since they're ampihibious 17:11:11 -!- nfogravity has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:29 then again decaying clearly should be as hard as the other lair runes 17:11:35 !tell greatzebu sqlite problems on Mac again: http://pastebin.com/1rYmvv7r 17:11:35 kilobyte: OK, I'll let greatzebu know. 17:11:37 hangedman: well, at least teleport in swamp is pretty unlikely to land you somewhere worse than the vault 17:11:45 fair enough 17:11:55 !tell galehar i tweaked the fsim to work with distortion. could you please commit it pretty soon so i can make incremental changes as they come up? 17:11:56 nfogravity: OK, I'll let galehar know. 17:12:53 nfogravity: I will. You can post a second patch (based on the first) too. 17:12:54 galehar: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:12:59 !messages 17:12:59 (1/1) nfogravity said (1m 4s ago): i tweaked the fsim to work with distortion. could you please commit it pretty soon so i can make incremental changes as they come up? 17:13:19 nfogravity: might be more convenient to use your gitorious clone 17:13:33 i don't know how that thing works, i made it by accident when i was still working out how to use git 17:13:46 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:14:06 galehar: maybe shift n by 2 in your formula, so the n=3 column is the first attempt 17:15:53 nfogravity: I really like the code cleaning you've done, but I'd like to improve the interface a bit 17:16:10 nfogravity: at the very least, allow testing defense and update the help 17:16:25 absolutely 17:16:26