00:00:55 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-826-g07d7585 (32) 00:09:42 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:48 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-826-g07d7585 00:21:46 Hold up, I've been looking through spells 00:21:51 why is there 12 cases for spell-difficulty? 00:21:56 *are there 00:28:20 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:39 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:27 -!- nfogravity has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:09 Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-826-g07d7585 00:45:00 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:36 FaMott: Where? 00:53:13 dtsund, switch (spell_difficulty(spell)) 00:53:28 in spl-cast.cc 01:15:24 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33:04 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:34:16 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:08 <|amethyst> hm... that line is unchanged since pre-DCSS 01:49:24 Tabbing with a reaching weapon with an enemy 2 squares away sometimes steps toward them instead of reaching (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5514) by Geodew 01:57:00 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 01:57:33 -!- qqryq has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:06 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:05 "_Hyu are feelink very hungry." -- I take these are on by default for old saves/inits? :> 02:18:20 -!- blueDave has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:55 there is a critical bug at the moment. when i try to quit the game tells me to type "aye" but only will accept "yes" 02:19:28 it also tells me items are on k when they are really on c =P 02:24:15 its like dcss celebrates april fools (slightly early) 02:24:25 we did that one year with webtiles haha 02:24:31 and then someone did it :D 02:27:46 heh, I remember that. A lot of people were actually tricked by it 02:30:59 :> 02:31:02 I know 02:32:19 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 02:56:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:08:03 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:58 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:52 Rodeo (L20 MiFi) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 435 failed. (Shoals:1) 03:37:47 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:37:56 -!- HangedMan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:39:18 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:30 WT fucking F... it's Mar 31 not Apr 01 today?!? 03:41:35 I dun goofed 03:43:00 haha 03:43:23 just pretend it was a translation code stress test 03:43:28 since when they changed March to have 31 not 30 days? 03:43:45 * kilobyte blames Julius Caesar. 03:44:13 March must have had always 31 days, it's the first month after all 03:44:55 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:47:00 in kiribati it's almost april 1st :-) 03:47:41 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 03:48:50 kilobyte: XD 03:49:12 * kilobyte ponders disabling this and turning it back tomorrow. 03:49:40 can't use local time zone since CDO doesn't know the client's settings 03:50:56 kilobyte: could use the extra day to test the other two options! 03:53:25 so are language packs a thing now? 03:53:46 in unnethack i just used the local time zone for various message related stuff, like pie, towel, or april fools day 03:54:12 people playing on public servers should know that the earth is somewhat round and there exists time zones :) 03:55:15 "It's a full moon tonight"? 03:55:56 actually full moon is not really time zone related 03:56:05 the difference is really tiny 03:57:15 of course the algorithm in nethack is a simplification so that one isn't accurate 04:09:15 -!- blueDave has quit [] 04:19:23 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:45:37 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:40 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:34 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:06 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-826-g07d7585 05:29:59 -!- lord-naughty has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:56 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:34:45 -!- lord-naughty has quit [Client Quit] 05:40:06 does anyone here know how to crawl.sendkeys(¨ENTER¨) this 05:43:26 \n? 05:44:02 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:05 I think autorobin and friends use \r but I could be misremembering 05:44:25 yeah autorobin uses \r at least 05:44:35 and so does xw 05:46:57 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:24 -!- mumra has quit [Quit: offski] 05:47:58 yeah, it doesnt use crawl.sendkeys though sadly 05:48:49 oh? I thought it did 05:48:58 it uses some ´magic´ nonsense 05:49:09 magic is a function defined in autorobin.rc 05:49:11 it calls sendkeys 05:49:35 but does some delay stuff, flushes input, sends escape a bunch of times, does some global modification, and yields 05:49:39 not in that order 05:50:37 hmmm, lets see 05:50:43 I dunno if the yield is useful, every time I've tried using it it didn't do any good, but maybe it works for autorobin 06:02:43 == is equal, what is not equals? 06:02:54 ~= iirc 06:03:03 it's a luaism 06:03:31 yeah, ~= 06:08:49 old autorobin rc is not using state-of-the-art bot techniques 06:09:08 is there any state of the art bot on cao/cdo? 06:10:12 http://crawl.develz.org/configs/trunk/parabolic.rc is only a version old (I haven't touched it in several months) 06:10:22 it isn't a full bot but it worked pretty well 06:10:39 it uses crawl.process_keys(command .. string.char(27) .. string.char(27) .. string.char(27)) 06:10:45 (those are escapes) 06:11:04 this is better than sendkeys for some reason I don't remember at the moment 06:11:51 or at least it is better when using ready() automation 06:13:04 wait, so that's synchronous? 06:13:04 you also might be interested in the choose_stat_gain() automation... which I seem to have used crawl.sendkeys for, so I don't actually know which is better :) 06:18:24 that sounds nice 06:18:31 is it also possibly to automatically assign skills? 06:19:18 is ready the function that when defined automatically gets called when able to control the player? 06:19:56 yeah -- for the regular input loop 06:20:06 not for prompts 06:20:16 right 06:20:31 Ragdoll: if you can calculate what skill levels you have you could figure out which letters each skill is on and send keys maybe? 06:21:00 something would have to be done for those -- especially "Really drunkenly stumble into this cloud of flatulence?" (with different messages for every mode of movement and clouds) 06:21:39 for skills, I'd rather give a direct API 06:23:37 you.training("copromancy") as query, you.training("copromancy", 2) to set it to focused. perhaps 06:23:52 I imagine the bindings would be in l_you but I can't find anything that looks like it's able to enable or disable or focus skills 06:24:03 most similar functions use 1-arg version for query, 2-arg for setting 06:24:43 got to make food for 54697346349 family members who'll invade shortly, though 06:24:50 (patch welcome!) 06:25:10 too much food for me to patch in... 06:27:14 monqy: skill stuff isn't in lua yet, but shouldn't be hard for someone to code 06:31:43 -!- lord-naughty has joined ##crawl-dev 06:32:56 -!- qqryq has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:33:58 -!- lord-naughty has quit [Client Quit] 06:39:06 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03:39 -!- lord-naughty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:14 Novelty translation creates misleading instructions for stat choice (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5515) by jejorda2 07:16:44 -!- lord-naughty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:30:03 haha i cant insert a macro proeprly since it changes c to k 07:30:25 does that really affect it? 07:30:34 edit the macro file directly then I guess 07:35:28 -!- HousePet has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:40:26 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:26 -!- syllogism has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:49:26 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:52:33 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:41:50 jmmainvi the Skirmisher (L3 HOFi) (D:2) 08:58:00 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 09:11:42 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:08 -!- phyphor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:21 so, the new languages ... what? 09:14:21 whot? 09:14:26 kwite 09:14:47 I dinnae see anythin' wron' aboot it 09:15:01 hyu wudn't 09:16:02 it's an (early) april's fool joke 09:34:57 !tell nfogravity I've tested the new fsim and commented on mantis. It's really nice, thanks! 09:34:57 galehar: OK, I'll let nfogravity know. 09:47:25 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:32 !tell nfogravity also, I see that you have a clone on gitorious. If you want, you can push your changes to it instead of uploading to mantis. 09:47:53 galehar: OK, I'll let nfogravity know. 09:48:28 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:49:19 03galehar * r6de1877767c2 10/crawl-ref/source/transform.cc: Fix merfolk tile sometime keeping its tail after untransform. 09:49:19 03galehar * r62922bcad009 10/crawl-ref/source/wiz-fsim.cc: Don't announce monsters in fsim. 09:51:19 early because some morons still haven't caught up with a "recent" calendar reform 09:52:04 looks like it's not TOO disruptive, but I see no point keeping that code later 09:52:14 about no overlap with actual translation code 09:54:43 <|amethyst> replacing letters with CJK full-width roman characters could be an interesting test 09:55:02 <|amethyst> I know there are at least a few places that use strlen() rather than strwidth() 09:56:47 |amethyst: oh, now that's an actually good idea 09:57:30 I considered a "russian" translation that would work for everyone who knows the Cyrillic alphabet, but sadly, local tiles can't handle characters about U+FF yet. 09:57:41 s/about/above/ 10:00:18 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:01:16 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:27 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-826-g07d7585 (32) 10:10:37 -!- lord-naughty has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:01 03mumra 07boulder_beetles * rc64fbfecba3c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/traps/boulders.des: Boulder tweaks 10:20:01 03mumra 07boulder_beetles * r354a9ee73d40 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/traps/boulders.des: Fix LUA boulder placement 10:32:06 is it worth reporting bugs about the joke language? 10:33:30 only if they are reported in the joke language 10:35:42 <|amethyst> phyphor: if it's related to prompting, probably add to 5515 10:36:35 Actually, it may affect other translations, thinking about it 10:36:35 not sure when to revert it. Today evening (only March 31th)? Tomorrow? 10:37:04 "Enchant Weapon I" should be treated as "Enchant Weapon 1" not the letter "i" 10:37:30 (I assume the other ones would be equally poorly translated) 10:37:33 Enchant Weapon Aye 10:38:07 i'd say leave it until tomorrow to give more people a chance to see it, it's fun :P 10:38:59 Wensley: it was "hyi" I think, something like that 10:39:13 <|amethyst> kilobyte: you could claim that you object to 2000 having been a leap year 10:39:28 why woyuld you object to it being a leap year? 10:42:49 <|amethyst> perhaps one feels that the Gregorian calendar is too complicated buyt the Julian calendar too simple? 10:43:00 <|amethyst> s/uyt/ut/ 10:44:29 -!- lord-naughty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:49:27 well tomorrow is 1 april, leave it till that atleast 10:49:47 Also, I pick up something, iot's assigned the w slot, but the game says it's the v slot - bah! 10:49:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:33 <|amethyst> kilobyte: shouldn't language=pl give me Polish item descriptions on CDO? 10:54:07 <|amethyst> kilobyte: also, it looks like it is possible to get messages before the language has been initialized 10:54:17 <|amethyst> Schpell assigned to 'z'. Welcome, Neil the Draconian Venom Mage. 10:56:18 -!- qqryq has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:02 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07:51 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:39 03MarvinPA 07boulder_beetles * rd1ec1219830d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/traps/boulders.des: Adjust some boulder vault depths 11:09:55 |amethyst: it's broken because at the moment Polish databases would be loaded the language is set to one of the two random options 11:11:21 for some reasons Crawl parses the init file twice, the timing is: 1. init file, 2. random selection, 3. loading databases, 4. init file again 11:16:03 kilobyte: FR: sigmund using jaegerkin :) 11:17:34 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:05 <|amethyst> kilobyte: if I use language = pl I get plain unsubstituted English, not one of the random choices 11:20:46 |amethyst: yeah... there are no actual strings translated, only some parts of the database 11:21:41 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, I see... I get the english database and Polish (= english) strings 11:21:44 <|amethyst> that makes sense 11:35:49 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 11:36:25 03MarvinPA * r3ca1b2e54e33 10/crawl-ref/source/ (29 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'boulder_beetles' 11:39:15 -!- vivec has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:49 what's a good race to roll if I want to beat stuff with weapons, and also cast firestorm ? 11:41:26 Naga? 11:41:41 naga works pretty nicely, try ##crawl instead of here though :P 11:41:44 (nobody say MD) 11:41:51 oh is this crawl dev 11:41:51 oops 11:41:52 :p 11:41:54 :) 11:41:57 meant to be in ##crawl 11:42:00 sorry 11:42:05 -!- vivec has quit [Client Quit] 11:42:07 no problem 11:58:50 -!- UbAh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:00 -!- lord-naughty has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:31 yay boulder beetles! 12:05:11 if it were nethack I would suggest their colour should be highlighted. But DCSS is not nethack. And for that we're all grateful. 12:06:17 03dolorous * r04ba86afc4e0 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Update descriptions of statues that can be instakilled via disintegration. 12:32:23 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:32:46 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:54 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:16 I think I've got something for the constriction escape formula 12:34:23 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:49 player rolls n d(a + str/b) vs monster x d(y + HD / z) 12:35:15 for example player n d(5 + str /2) vs monster 2D(8 + HD/3) 12:35:54 never impossible as long as a > x, which should be the case 12:36:37 guaranteed after x*y attempts, but should be irrelevant. It will be very likely well before that 12:37:00 easy to tune the effect of str and hd with b and z 12:37:31 * galehar goes cooking 12:37:33 'later 12:39:37 something of that form sounds reasonable, yeah 12:40:36 -!- Mottie has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:40 -!- lord-naughty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:16:45 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:32 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:52 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:55 Rodeo (L21 MiFi) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 435 failed. (Shoals:4) 13:25:26 -!- lord-naughty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:56 Tar:7 alterations. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5516) by st 13:41:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:00 yay hell balancing 13:49:38 the only problem I have with my constriction formula proposal, it's that I'm totally unable to calculate the probabilities! 13:49:51 * galehar is tempted to write a constriction simulator 13:56:44 may I make a suggestion? It should use the highest of Dex or Str 13:58:42 galehar: it's not too hard to find the probability for a single case... but you have so many variables in there that you'd want a simulator anyways 14:00:24 you might actually want n+1 or n+2 instead of n there, by the way 14:00:52 so that there isn't such a huge difference between the first and second attempt 14:01:07 -!- bhaak is now known as kerio` 14:01:13 -!- kerio` has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:02:00 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:33 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:14 -!- jeanjacques has quit [] 14:45:02 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:30 Nuthulu (L1 DESu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (you) (D:1 (ZotDef)) 14:47:11 Nuthulu (L1 DESu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (you) (D:1 (ZotDef)) 14:53:04 elliptic: good point 15:00:06 -!- ToBeFree is now known as vatueil 15:02:06 -!- vatueil is now known as ToBeFree 15:21:47 -!- nfogravity has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:10 -!- tholmes has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:26 -!- umrain has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26:16 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:24 -!- lord-naughty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:42 -!- lord-naughty has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:16 -!- nfogravity has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:58:23 -!- nfogravity has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:45 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:28 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:11:00 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:54 -!- mumra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:30 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:14 when you cast a spell, or fire a wand, or anything like that, it asks you to target something 16:14:14 nfogravity: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:14:44 what's the command to do that? as in, you hit a button (like, za) and then it prompts you for a square before doing an action 16:14:51 !messages 16:14:53 (1/2) galehar said (6h 39m 56s ago): I've tested the new fsim and commented on mantis. It's really nice, thanks! 16:16:34 !messages 16:16:34 (1/1) galehar said (6h 28m 44s ago): also, I see that you have a clone on gitorious. If you want, you can push your changes to it instead of uploading to mantis. 16:23:21 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:33:54 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ragdoll] 16:38:34 hm, is there any need to allow dropping the orb in sprint or zotdef? i can't think of any, at least 16:39:59 being overencumbered, but otherwise, none 16:40:52 and in the main game the only reason is for silly things like avoiding the cTele restrictions, so elliptic suggested just not allowing dropping it at all 16:40:56 in zotdef it's probably a bug -- I disabled any kind of teleportation after you got the orb, but the only reason for that is that if you teleported into a loot chamber with the orb, monsters would try to reach it 16:41:23 or doing a branch after getting the Orb, which is pointless IMO 16:41:29 (banners yadda yadda) 16:41:39 yeah 16:41:54 and they'd still be possible even if you couldn't drop it, just even harder :P 16:42:27 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:44 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 16:50:44 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:27 03MarvinPA * ref888f4606b0 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-transloc.cc: Don't place Tloc clouds when wizmode teleporting 16:51:27 03MarvinPA * rf4f3319d021f 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Remove M_NO_POLY_TO from oklob saplings 16:51:27 03MarvinPA * rca22271bab98 10/crawl-ref/source/items.cc: Don't allow dropping the orb of Zot 16:55:07 the message doesn't seem too thematic, given the Orb actively fights against being taken 16:56:02 oh hm, true 16:56:55 also someone pointed out that i forgot to cover throwing/portal projectiling :P 16:57:11 will fix that, any ideas for a better message? 16:57:18 You don't feel like leaving it. 16:58:01 After all you've been through, you don't feel like leaving it. 16:59:08 "You're not very smart are you?" 17:01:47 canned_msg(MSG_UNTHINKING_ACT); 17:02:08 _Ye dinnae feel like leavin' tha orb behind! 17:02:16 even translates well! 17:02:20 :P 17:02:30 unthinking_act could work too, yeah 17:02:47 -!- [HangedMan] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:32 hm okay 17:04:49 i can grab and modify a monster, but i can't clone it 17:05:07 <[HangedMan]> wizmode? 17:05:08 also, Maurice 17:05:12 yes 17:05:24 maurice can steal the orb, really? :( 17:05:49 what i'd like is monster m = *monster_at(location); monster * mons = &m; return mons; 17:05:53 but that crashes the game 17:06:20 03MarvinPA * r8a535d0d62c2 10/crawl-ref/source/ (item_use.cc items.cc): Don't allow throwing the orb away either, improve message flavour 17:06:33 nfogravity: just create a new one of the same base type 17:06:43 i don't want to do that 17:06:45 does that mean it was possible to clone the orb? 17:07:09 if you do that, you end up with different kobolds wielding different weapons, or different-headed hydrae 17:08:00 nfogravity: use clone_mons. The function used by rakshasa and mara. 17:08:21 hm, xv on monsters in debug mode doesn't seem to show their inventory and spell list any more? 17:09:12 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:17 <[HangedMan]> x D shows the spelllist, at least 17:09:50 and doesn't look like he can steal the orb after all, sadly :P 17:09:56 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:10:02 it took ##crawl five minutes to get to maurice though 17:10:15 <[HangedMan]> a roka I just made in wizmode had a +4 leather armour, what 17:11:16 MarvinPA: yay, now we should do something about zot:5 apportation to staircase maybe... 17:11:30 heh 17:11:37 doesn't that trigger the demon spawns now at least? 17:11:43 don't think so 17:11:49 oh, or was that just sprint 17:11:51 yeah 17:12:35 making it trigger the demon spawns in regular crawl might be a bit cruel, not sure 17:12:43 that works beautifully, galehar, thank you 17:12:51 dunno, seems like it'd probably be fine? 17:13:12 you don't normally have more than a few turns between apporting and picking up, surely 17:13:15 nfogravity: you're welcome :) 17:13:39 well, it has the effect of making a failed ninja attempt where you apport the orb partway but then have to abort before picking it up... really bad 17:13:40 well sometimes people fail to apport it and run away 17:13:56 yeah, true 17:14:16 however having demons start to spawn in such a situation sounds hilarious 17:14:27 <[HangedMan]> they should spawn but only near the orb 17:14:44 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:05 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:26 maybe it only has a chance to call the demons when apported 17:15:28 actually maybe I like making apportation trigger the demon spawns (if the orb actually moves, that is) 17:16:06 or a chance, hm... maybe make this happen on the 1/6 of the time that the orb refuses to budge and you get a special message anyway? 17:16:19 could you just make it start the 'orb run' if the orb is outside a certain radius of its starting point 17:16:40 that seems like the simplest way to prevent abuse, even if it's not the coolest =P 17:16:45 <[HangedMan]> that might be awkward depdning on the orb chamber vault 17:17:05 yeah, lots of options... not sure what is best, but anything would be better than the current system, where apporting all the way to the stairs is actually a pretty good strategy on chei chars at least 17:17:30 is removing the orb run one of these options 17:20:36 -!- tholmes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:20:56 -!- tholmes has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:24 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:47 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:00 galehar, this is much better. now you're asked to target a monster in view before it does any calculations, and escaping out runs it on the default 17:45:39 unh this button makes me want to play all my games offline in wizmode 17:53:51 http://i.imgur.com/OHF0B.png 17:54:30 <[HangedMan]> I wonder if "The cherub pecks you with a cursed bow!" still happens 18:04:17 03kilobyte * r1187a0ed08e1 10/crawl-ref/source/abl-show.cc: Comment about a (currently irrelevant) bug. 18:04:28 03kilobyte * r049b45242db7 10/crawl-ref/source/ (areas.cc items.cc main.cc): Remove some code for dealing with orb drops. 18:33:26 -!- nrook_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:22 -!- nrook has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:34:28 -!- nrook_ is now known as nrook 18:41:27 -!- lord-naughty has left ##crawl-dev 18:45:42 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:49:14 PowerWord the Grave Robber (L2 DDNe) (D:1) 18:49:57 !tell galehar i uploaded a new fsim version 18:49:58 nfogravity: OK, I'll let galehar know. 18:52:08 -!- nfogravity has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54:48 -!- syllogism- has quit [] 18:55:53 -!- nfogravity has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:00 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:11 kfischer100p the Shield-Bearer (L1 MiFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (you) (D:1) 19:08:27 kfischer100p the Shield-Bearer (L1 MiFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (you) (D:1) 19:08:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:37 kfischer100p the Shield-Bearer (L1 MiFi) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (0,0) (you) (D:1) 19:09:00 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:03 -!- umrain has left ##crawl-dev 20:18:50 -!- alefury has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:58:48 -!- [HangedMan] is now known as GreatOrbOfEyes 21:02:52 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:00 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:11 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:26 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:30:48 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:07 petete the Grappler (L9 TrBe) ERROR in 'traps.cc' at line 1709: placeholder trap type 100 used (D:6) 21:50:20 hmm, twice now preliminary testing on wizlab_golubria seems to have people autoexplore or autofight into teleporters, bah 21:53:31 HangedMan: start the player in a small, uninteresting room. Only features are the portal you came from, a portal out, and a teleporter. Give the teleporter an obvious colour (elemental might be good) and a tile 21:53:46 this way you teach the player what it is before any accidents can possibly happen 21:55:22 this'll be good for first teaching the use of teleporters, but autofight will still sometimes move into it because my layout doesn't put the teleporters in niches or anything 21:55:34 can't force a prompt? 21:55:56 probably should for all teleporters at that point 21:56:19 -!- vadatajs has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:56:44 HangedMan: another option would be that they trigger when you go up/down them, rather than walking into them 21:57:50 that is lua-trickery well beyond what I've used, which is just copying the_teleporter's lua magic 21:58:20 yeah, i dunno if it's possible with lua currently, but from an interface POV it makes sense for it to work that way 22:03:55 yet more vaults: snake pit and miscellaneous (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5517) by nicolae 22:07:47 a little too much spam for my taste and the rune mimics are far too strong for the depth, but the spirit present isn't bad 22:08:26 -!- vadatajs has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:01 what is a spirit present 22:11:25 ...wow, I cannot try to phrase this without sounding stupid 22:11:42 stupider 22:12:15 they are not completely bad vaults? 22:12:37 did I say they were? 22:12:54 You're confusing me (as usual) 22:13:20 I was trying to not make my comment insinuate it but I am starting to think that crawl slowly dissolves all abilities to communicate 22:15:33 only without rComms 22:29:43 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:21 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:43:49 -!- GreatOrbOfEyes has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:45:55 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:56:08 evilmike: thanks for commiting the tar patch, I always forget about the testing weights 22:56:37 st_: I've done that too, it's an easy mistake 23:00:09 looks like CIA didn't announce it again (did it in ##crawl?) 23:03:56 doesn't look like it did 23:04:47 03clouded * r220fb6e49621 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/hells.des: Changes to Tartarus. 23:04:47 03evilmike * r956037e74386 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/hells.des: Remove a "WEIGHT: 9999" line left in by mistake in the Tartarus patch. 23:09:01 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:31 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:16:40 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:25:47 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:58:09 -!- [1]capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 23:58:16 -!- mikee_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 23:58:20 -!- [1]capablanca is now known as mikee_ 23:58:21 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]]