00:02:37 03MarvinPA * rc97a72811d82 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Make spiny frogs sound a bit less spiny in their description 00:08:20 03ben.striegel * rd25490bfe01f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (20 files in 2 dirs): Moth of Suppression, preliminary coding 00:08:21 03evilmike * rb6a697c5903a 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Flag moths of suppression as unfinished. 00:08:21 03evilmike * r1900783a714e 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Remove a useless block comment that got added in Wensley's patch. 00:08:30 03evilmike * r6ae4b79cb056 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Description for basic moths. 00:08:30 03evilmike * r2424da037e19 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Flag plain moths with M_NO_POLY_TO, since they are a dummy monster. 00:17:19 -!- monqy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:34 -!- monqy has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:17:39 -!- monqy_ is now known as monqy 00:21:27 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30:11 03evilmike * rc85698cc9739 10/crawl-ref/source/ (rltiles/dc-corpse.txt rltiles/dc-mon.txt tilepick.cc): Moth of suppression tile. (cjo) 00:35:09 -!- qqryq has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:25 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:54:11 -!- qqryq has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:58:21 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:23 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:48 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:15 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 01:08:19 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:13:23 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:16:40 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 01:18:52 Orb of destruction crashes the game (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5471) by evilmike 01:19:41 <|amethyst> evilmike: did you leave the tile png itself out of that last commit? 01:19:57 haha, oops 01:20:57 <|amethyst> evilmike: also, do you have a backtrace from 5471? 01:21:14 windows crash dumps are utterly useless 01:21:28 <|amethyst> I'll try to get the crash 01:21:58 as usual all I have is "Unable to get stack trace on this platform. 01:21:59 Unable to get stack trace on this platform." 01:22:02 <|amethyst> I suspect there's something that did blah == &you but blah was null 01:24:06 03evilmike * r574a0252d1af 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-mon/animals/moth_of_suppression.png: Actually add the moth of supression tile. 01:24:37 <|amethyst> easy enough, got it on the first casting :) 01:24:58 <|amethyst> "Segmentation fault", which makes me think it is a null pointer dereference 01:33:32 <|amethyst> yup 01:33:37 <|amethyst> and there are a few more 01:34:02 addressing bugs wooo 01:34:17 well, this was a pretty recent regression 01:34:35 I don't know when the servers automatically update, hopefully not soon 01:45:35 do we know if it's b27132e, mike? 01:45:50 it's that or the one before it 01:45:59 does f88c6a7 work? 01:46:38 I'll try 01:48:07 <|amethyst> f88c6a7 should work 01:48:41 <|amethyst> the crash is in a line changed by b27132e, and f88c6a7 doesn't introduce any new pointer dereferences 01:49:12 oh you've found it? sounds like you've got this under control then 01:49:17 <|amethyst> yeah 01:49:22 okay, cool 01:49:23 <|amethyst> there are a few other bugs 01:50:12 <|amethyst> I'm going through the uses, figuring out which ones can be null, and guarding those 01:53:44 <|amethyst> also, there are a couple of places where b27 changed if (foe->is_player()) { ASSERT(foe == &you); to if (foe->is_player()) { ASSERT(foe->is_player()) 01:53:53 <|amethyst> I'm removing the asserts in those cases 02:01:40 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:06 03evilmike * rb08f01babe81 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Vault updates. (HangedMan) 02:06:54 nfogravity: to get access to cao savefiles, you have to ask rax 02:07:15 thanks galehar, i already took care of that one though 02:07:58 good 02:08:26 -!- nfogravity has left ##crawl-dev 02:16:06 03evilmike * rf929824ae804 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/snake.des: Venom bottle vault. (HangedMan) 02:16:06 03evilmike * rac7c8031638f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Aerie drop vault. (HangedMan) 02:24:57 -!- MarvinPA has quit [] 02:26:22 03|amethyst * r900e01d22f55 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): Don't call foo->is_player() on a null pointer. 02:27:08 <|amethyst> hrm 02:27:52 <|amethyst> I guess the one in mons_place didn't need changing 02:55:52 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:18 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:39 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: something happened] 03:13:29 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 03:13:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:13:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:33:49 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38:50 evilmike: you mean, that trick with timing your commits so referencing a tile comes before the nightly build, and actually adding one after, was intentional, to prevent the bad pointer bug of hitting players who update? 03:38:55 brilliant! 03:43:48 Napkin: other builds (DGL, Windows, Mac) announce themselves via Gretell, IIRC it's done by dropping a line into a file somewhere. Do you remember where that file is? 03:47:31 of course I remember! 03:47:37 but not telling you ;-P 03:47:40 $-4s/ of / from/ 03:47:42 :p 03:48:01 in... ~source/announements.log, i think 03:51:56 great, lemme break something again, test it, then do a build to see if Gretell explodes 04:00:41 * due eats kilobyte, wipes face on Napkin. 04:10:06 due! 04:10:50 :) hi 04:11:03 moin moin :) 04:19:14 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:19:45 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:20:03 -!- heteroy has joined ##crawl-dev 04:20:20 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:00 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:56:08 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:08 Hi, I'm having a problem with Webtiles. 04:56:08 I cannot load my game. 04:56:09 It's stuck on "Starting Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup fa280cc...". 05:03:07 -!- xnavy has joined ##crawl-dev 05:26:16 03kilobyte * raa1f5b7bf975 10/crawl-ref/source/actor.h: Don't declare actor->is_player() as virtual. 05:26:17 03kilobyte * r9bd7daac3abd 10/crawl-ref/source/actor.h: Add some asserts inside actor->this_player(). 05:26:17 03kilobyte * r1bc880922bb2 10/crawl-ref/source/player.h: Sort the fields of struct player a bit. 05:26:17 03kilobyte * rfdb81bb5d926 10/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc: Fix a couple of null pointer uses (revealed by the asserts + canned stress tests). 05:26:17 03kilobyte * rb5b93d8e298f 10/crawl-ref/source/test/stress/abyss.rc: Don't let wandering monsters stop the abyss stress-test bot from starting up. 05:26:27 03kilobyte * r5918fd6a8401 10/crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h l_debug.cc main.cc player.cc test/stress/abyss.rc): A really crude and wrong way to disable confirmations. 05:26:28 03kilobyte * r9622e9ed2371 10/crawl-ref/source/test/stress/abyss.rc: Allow the abyss test stress bot to work in non-debug builds as well. 05:34:09 03kilobyte * r638337078bab 10/crawl-ref/source/test/stress/abyss.rc: Disable death for the abyss stress test bot. 06:00:08 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-672-g900e01d 06:03:08 nasty memory leak in Lua (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5472) by KiloByte 06:10:17 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 06:10:54 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:45 Debian builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-679-g9622e9e 07:20:07 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:14 !tell evilmike You seemed to imply possibly going through and adding the moth of suppression tiles code, well the suppression tile is here: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5385 07:21:15 Wensley: OK, I'll let evilmike know. 07:40:54 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:14 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 08:03:15 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:32 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:26 it would be nice if someone cleaned up the aura code so it wasn't just the same code for halo repeated in 7 places 08:40:44 Eronarn: yeah adding a new aura requires touching 19 files which is sort of a pain 08:40:55 I am wholly in favor of this as long as I am not the one who has to do it 08:41:35 also are you sure that the halo code isn't just the silence code repasted 08:41:39 not sure which came first 08:44:12 but also it might not really be a big deal because I don't think we really want to be adding many more auras in the future 08:44:25 since each aura excludes a floor color for the branch in which that monster is expected to appear 08:44:43 and trying to manage the interactions between auras sanely will only get harder 08:45:00 Eronarn: I do like how silence gets darker when there's an umbra overlapping it, I never noticed that before 08:45:24 or at least I saw that it's supposed to in the code, maybe it's broken for all I know 08:48:38 remember that area types that can overlap should be as limited as possible 08:48:44 they're a hell to visualize 08:49:53 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:51:48 it may be better to have suppression suppress some magical effects like silence 08:55:51 i think it would be a good idea to change glyph of aura'd squares 08:55:58 .,,,A,,,. or so 09:02:35 kilobyte: well it *would* sort of suppress silence from any source that has cast the spell, by causing it to expire very quickly. not a perfect solution, but then again you can't suppress the moth's aura with silence anyway so there's not much reason to be casting it in spider 09:02:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:05 , and - are unused glyphs, that's a good idea 09:03:09 but suppression aura won't have any effect on silent spectres as far as I can tell 09:03:17 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:29 yeah I do sort of like the idea of a different glyph for aura'd floor tiles 09:03:33 unicode time!! 09:03:56 ∘ 09:04:10 ∷ 09:04:20 ⋆ 09:04:22 , replacing . looks quite subtle, but still noticeable, quite nice I think 09:13:13 maybe we should just character-combine a ▯ over each square in the aura, to make it look more like tiles :P 09:15:24 we could also do * 09:15:41 .****A****. more noticeable, probably a bit uglier though 09:15:59 silent spectres surrounded by hundreds of orbs of electricity 09:16:28 orbs need to go on 0 :P 09:16:44 I think the comma would be fine for a first pass, would just be a one-character change once all the code is in place 09:17:17 -!- FaMott has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:24 <|amethyst> I guess the conflict with magic-detected floors is irrelevant, since those won't occur in LOS 09:19:09 ,: 'unusual floor' 09:19:19 <|amethyst> There's also ` but that might mike fired missles hard to see 09:23:23 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:23:53 there's is nothing unusual there, TSOites see this all the time 09:24:06 and Yreddites since early Lair 09:25:16 -!- casmith_789 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:41:29 I'm having a problem with Webtiles. 09:41:31 I cannot load my game. 09:41:35 It's stuck on "Starting Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup fa280cc..." 09:41:41 And just black. 09:42:48 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:16 I was told to speak with Napkin. 09:44:21 Pingas: edlothiol is the only one who can help you here 09:44:31 I see. 09:44:44 sometimes removing the savegame help though 09:45:01 which is what I could do - but then the savegame is lost 09:45:07 choose your poison, Pingas ;) 09:45:07 I am able to start a game/continue one on a different login. 09:45:18 Hmm. 09:45:42 That sucks, because it was finally a game going somewhere. 09:45:46 Bleh. 09:45:47 |amethyst: Ah yeah, magic mapping does use , ... I forgot that. Good point though. 09:46:47 Napkin: How does one remove a webtiles savegame? 09:48:19 <|amethyst> hm... what about moving the save, so someone can at least try loading the save in ascii mode to see whether it freezes there too? 09:49:04 Move the save? 09:49:09 I don't think I have access to that. 09:49:18 <|amethyst> I mean, Napkin 09:49:31 Ah. 09:49:31 <|amethyst> he's the server admin, so he has access to the filesystem 09:49:36 Neat. 09:51:14 well, maybe it's an option in your config 09:51:36 i could move the save temporarily, so you could check if the config is the problem 09:52:18 but I can't find a savegame with the name "Pingas" 09:52:25 Anatidaephobia. 09:53:34 Didn't want IRC to highlight me every time I did something in DCSS. 09:53:58 But do you find one with the name Anatidaephobia? 09:55:28 <|amethyst> SOMEBODY GET THIS FREAKIN DUCK AWAY FROM ME! 09:57:14 ok, moved your save, Pingas - try if you can start a new char 09:57:22 Alright. 09:57:45 I successfully made a character. 09:58:05 Could also load it after saving and exiting. 09:58:59 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:11 ok, you can use this link in your bug-report, Pingas: https://crawl.develz.org/saves/dumps/Anatidaephobia-fa280cc-120322-1458.cs 09:59:17 devs can access it 10:00:07 So I'll make a bug report on mantis and include that link? 10:00:08 probably doesn't make sense to move it back? 10:00:11 yes 10:00:34 *probably doesn't make sense to move it back to webtiles, as long as it doesn't load 10:00:35 We could try placing the old save back again, and see if I can access it now. 10:00:39 sure 10:00:47 Might be silly, but hey, rebooting works in mysterious ways. 10:01:02 done 10:01:10 No access. 10:01:12 Oh well. 10:01:18 <|amethyst> hm 10:01:23 <|amethyst> It loads fine for me 10:01:34 <|amethyst> both local ASCII and tiles 10:01:42 That's weird. 10:02:10 you didn't try webtiles locally, did you, |amethyst? 10:02:15 <|amethyst> no 10:02:20 so it's not so weird 10:02:49 i moved the save aside, Pingas 10:02:58 Alrighty. 10:03:01 do the bug report, maybe someone can help 10:03:06 I will, thanks. 10:03:08 just ping me then and i'll move it back 10:03:47 ??license 10:03:48 I don't have a page labeled license in my learndb. 10:03:50 ??licence 10:03:50 I don't have a page labeled licence in my learndb. 10:03:57 !learn add licence 11:02 <+|amethyst> no 10:03:57 licence[1/1]: 11:02 <+|amethyst> no 10:03:59 asdf 10:04:02 irssi 10:04:07 !learn del licence 10:04:07 Deleted licence[1/1]: 11:02 <+|amethyst> no 10:04:15 !learn add licence http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/licence.txt 10:04:15 licence[1/1]: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/licence.txt 10:04:24 !learn add license see {licence} 10:04:25 license[1/1]: see {licence} 10:11:02 Bug report requires me to attach a file, but I don't have any files to upload. 10:11:14 I added the link to the savegame in the description, but I miss an actual file. 10:11:46 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:52 Oh, ignore that. I was being silly. 10:17:12 Unable to load Webtiles savegame. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5473) by Pingas 10:21:01 Pingas: the savegame loads fine, the problem is just that there's a --more-- immediately, and apparently the display doesn't get updated 10:21:21 so there's indeed a bug, but you can easily work around it by pressing escape 10:21:34 Ooh. 10:21:57 So that means if the savegame is placed back, I should be able to continue? 10:22:17 yes 10:22:22 Neato! 10:22:33 And Napkin is the man for that? 10:22:41 yes 10:23:01 Naaaaapkiiiiiin. 10:27:21 Player ghosts use inappropriate racial titles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5474) by raskol 10:31:30 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:13 -!- Pacra has left ##crawl-dev 10:36:41 03|amethyst 07stone_soup-0.10 * r3f3a857b10c8 10/crawl-ref/source/skills2.cc: Use ghost's, not player's species for titles. 10:37:46 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:50:53 -!- xnavy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:06 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:37 !learn add suppress see {suppression} 10:55:38 suppress[1/1]: see {suppression} 11:00:43 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:56 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:33 -!- nfogravity has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:53 Pingas: you can probably !tell him 11:17:10 chrisoelmueller: How does one go about doing that? 11:19:52 !tell Napkin If I did the tell thing correctly, can you please place the old Anatidaephobia savegame back? Apparently there's a way I can still continue the game. 11:19:53 Pingas: OK, I'll let Napkin know. 11:19:58 Ooh, fancy. 11:33:54 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:47 due (or anyone else): I still can't figure out how to run the script to calculate average XP for a level. Could you have a look? 12:01:47 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20111108220737]] 12:01:52 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:04:20 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:25 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:34 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:54 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:13:54 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 12:15:16 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:38 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ragdoll] 12:25:07 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:08 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:13 notele = scan_artefacts(ARTP_PREVENT_TELEPORTATION, calc_unid) || crawl_state.game_is_zotdef() && orb_haloed(you.pos()) 12:46:38 ^ maybe I'm just stupid but shouldn't that second operator be or rather than and 12:46:49 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:47:24 maybe I'm confused about order of operations in c 12:47:57 the order of operations is C is just parentheses, left to right in that case isn't it? 12:48:00 okay, so && is higher than || 12:48:19 I don't know 12:48:19 so this seems to imply it only wants the orb to deny you teleportation if you're also playing zotdef 12:48:21 I don't think it is 12:48:27 http://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/operator_precedence 12:49:22 that seems right? 12:49:24 kilobyte: you seem like you're the zotdef expert, is ^^ correct? 12:49:33 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49:39 because I thought the orb aura was supposed to give -tele in the real game as well 12:49:51 it only gives -ctele in the real game 12:49:54 I think 12:49:57 has that changed? 12:50:05 I'm looking at the code right now 12:50:33 note that this may not be the code that governs whether you *can* tele with the orb, this is just output.cc which displays your % screen 12:50:50 yeah, the orb gives only -ctele in a normal game 12:50:55 -!- xnavy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:02 galehar: that line I pasted is wrong then, no? 12:51:44 it should be !crawl_state.game_is_zotdef() 12:51:44 that's about -tele, not -ctele isn't it? 12:51:44 MarvinPA: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:51:47 and then also test for sprint 12:51:50 I think you're missing a parentheses 12:52:51 Wensley: I think it's ok. In zotdef, you can't teleport with the orb. In a normal game, it just prevents ctele 12:52:53 look at it for yourself, output.cc line 1798 or thereabouts since I've been mucking around in here locally 12:52:59 it sounds probably intentional that you can't teleport with the orb in zotdef, yeah 12:53:09 okay 12:57:18 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:18 -!- rawrmage has quit [Quit: Disconnecting from stoned server.] 12:59:02 -!- rawrmage has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:21 -!- rawrmage has quit [Quit: Disconnecting from stoned server.] 13:06:54 -!- rawrmage has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:21 -!- rawrmage has quit [Client Quit] 13:16:57 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:17:14 -!- rawrmage has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:12 -!- rawrmage has quit [Client Quit] 13:20:38 -!- rawrmage has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:39 -!- rawrmage has quit [Changing host] 13:20:39 -!- rawrmage has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:19 Debian builds of 0.10 branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10.1-16-g3f3a857 13:42:28 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:12 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:52 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:34 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:07 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:56 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:10 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:45:10 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:49:00 moth of suppression question: so far I've been testing for suppression in the functions that determine whether a certain effect is active 14:49:11 so like putting a test for you.suppressed in player_res_poison 14:49:28 this is necessary for a lot of things like unrands and such 14:50:16 but I'm wondering if I should also be putting checks directly within the functions that test whether or not an item is equipped, assuming that all rings and amulets need to be suppressed 14:50:34 but I don't know if that's strictly the case, or if these functions are used for anything else 14:50:51 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:59 like, you wouldn't want to see that your amulet slot is suddenly empty upon entering the field 14:51:12 so I sort of need to know how all of these functions are used forever 14:51:58 I just get the feeling that the first approach will require more effort to maintain from anyone who ever adds a magical effect, but the latter approach might be very wrong 14:52:49 god, player.h is 1000 lines long 14:54:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:54:16 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 14:54:34 yeah, the codebase is huge :| 14:54:49 -!- ais523_ is now known as ais523 14:55:27 bool wearing_amulet(jewellery_type amulet, bool calc_unid, bool ignore_extrinsic) 14:55:56 ^ can anyone confirm what that ignore_extrinsic variable does? 14:56:42 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:10 the only reference to it is in that boolean. most calls to it ignore that variable 14:58:34 if true, it blocks checking extrinsic_amulet_effect 14:58:58 which "Returns whether the player has the effect of the amulet from a non-amulet source." 15:00:24 i see exactly 1 use where that variable is set to true 15:00:35 player.cc:1665: if (wearing_amulet(AMU_RESIST_CORROSION, calc_unid, true)) 15:00:53 line number might be a little off, i haven't synced too recently 15:01:06 wondering if it would be kosher to just stick `if you.suppressed() return false;` before the actual check 15:01:41 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:45 i think that function doesn't control whether your inventory shows you wearing an amulet 15:01:54 also Zannick: thanks! I am lazy and brain-stupid when it comes to parsing code 15:02:07 git grep is awesome 15:02:15 * Zannick uses plain grep :P 15:02:15 how is it better than normal grep? 15:02:21 it's about 10 times faster 15:02:28 ah 15:02:40 try "git grep wearing_amulet" 15:02:43 heh i remember saying that in here at some point 15:02:47 so less than a second to lesser than a second :P 15:02:53 i'm using a netbook 15:02:55 * Wensley uses ack 15:03:04 git grep > ack, really 15:03:22 of course ack is superior in everything that has no .git repo 15:03:26 ...okay. 15:03:27 but why would such a thing exist :P 15:03:33 git grep visibly took a second or two 15:03:40 yeah this is pretty cool 15:03:41 grep instantly spits back results. 15:03:53 * Zannick -> lunch 15:04:05 really? vanilla grep takes forever for me 15:04:24 does git grep search the whole repo or just the pwd? is it recursive by default 15:04:47 by default it's pwd 15:05:56 there are options to search the repo though 15:09:58 wait, pwd is current working dir? git grep is recursive by default, i think - there are options to search blobs as well (if my terminology is correct) 15:13:15 well good, because I mostly use ack so I don't have to type grep -r :P 15:14:46 oh, er, yes. what ogsus said. :c 15:15:24 -!- qqryq has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:50 oh hm, wonder if there's any gotchas with suppression aura and vampiric weapons 15:16:16 leaving the on-wield effect intact should work, right? 15:17:07 not that it's really all that abusable... you'd waste as much food running back and forth from your stashed moth as you'd use from just wielding the damn thing normally 15:17:11 removing the effect would make more logical sense but yes, it would prevent a little bit of abuse 15:17:11 but still 15:17:32 if we're leaving the disto unwield effect I think this is okay 15:17:51 ??suppression[2] 15:17:51 suppression[2/4]: Excepting antimagic and holy wrath, weapons with permanent brands will have their brands immediately suppressed within the aura. On-hit effects from the distortion brand will not proc within the aura, but you will still receive the usual treatment for unwielding a disto weapon. 15:18:21 !learn edit suppression[2] s/$/ Same for wielding a vampiric weapon while suppressed. 15:18:21 suppression[2/4]: Excepting antimagic and holy wrath, weapons with permanent brands will have their brands immediately suppressed within the aura. On-hit effects from the distortion brand will not proc within the aura, but you will still receive the usual treatment for unwielding a disto weapon. Same for wielding a vampiric weapon while suppressed. 15:18:22 but i don't know, distortion is the only thing that is special-cased in many cases 15:18:35 well this is a requrest for comment 15:18:37 well, at least with stasis, that is 15:18:38 proc? 15:18:50 mikee_: proc. 15:20:11 do boolean operators in C++ short-circuit 15:20:47 what does that even mean 15:21:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-circuit_evaluation 15:22:29 you may have noticed but I have this thing where I ask a question of someone and then immediately go look for the answer anyway 15:22:40 yes that is the one true way 15:22:45 does c++ use lazy evaluation? 15:22:54 <|amethyst> no 15:23:03 mikee_: what are you a programmer 15:23:16 i read the wikipedia article you linked to 15:23:31 c++ is in the chart of languages that support short circuit evaluation 15:23:33 <|amethyst> but && || ?: are lazy about evaluating their arguments 15:23:44 but why does that matter 15:23:56 <|amethyst> ogsus: if (a++ && b++) 15:24:02 <|amethyst> if a was zero, b won't be incremented 15:24:09 i guess it saves time if you don't want to use an if and else? 15:24:09 oh dayum 15:24:22 <|amethyst> more importantly, pointer && pointer->method() 15:24:23 that looks like not great programming otoh 15:24:33 ok, that makes more sense 15:24:34 <|amethyst> so that pointer->method() isn't evaluated if the pointer is null 15:24:39 <|amethyst> mikee_: yeah 15:25:15 <|amethyst> mikee_: and lets you write it as a single expression, which is important in places (like loop conditions) where you can't use a whole statement 15:25:29 assignment in the condition of an if statement is basically like being impaled on a spear to death 15:25:51 <|amethyst> nah, it's useful :) 15:26:25 |amethyst: it was also useful for vlad the impaler to halt the advance of the turkish army 15:26:30 but sucks to be the peasants! 15:26:49 he had them write if statements 15:27:05 their first assignment from vlad was to make an arithmetic calculator 15:28:01 hm, webs still refer to you as "caught in a net" pretty much everywhere it seems 15:28:28 is that on mantis? 15:28:51 <|amethyst> some of them were fixed 15:29:00 someone mentioned it at some point 15:29:07 kilobyte maybe 15:29:26 <|amethyst> galehar was the one who fixed it 15:29:35 <|amethyst> but missed a few it looks like 15:29:40 <|amethyst> working on it 15:30:24 hm ok, well the ones i spotted were @ for the player being caught, x over monsters that are caught, and trying to swap with allies that are caught 15:31:05 <|amethyst> yeah 15:31:29 also reaching attacks while in a web 15:32:25 i see you like twisted res 15:33:15 it's like beogh except it manages to be even worse! 15:33:30 beogh with orcs that have variable speed 15:33:42 would anyone mind if I made it so that non-durable summons were constantly abjured when in a suppression field 15:33:51 did you hear my proposal for ally management? 15:33:59 i think it's actually sane 15:34:02 i'm still not convinced this suppression thing is a good idea 15:34:06 it sounds incredibly complicated 15:34:15 mikee_: no, what is it? 15:34:28 MarvinPA: well the only important part is the part about suppressing buffs from items, everything else is free to be vetoed 15:34:36 permallies all enter a queue, and then you can choose a certain number of them to be your travel buddies, which always autotravel with you 15:34:47 so you might have like 30 beogh orcs and you can choose, say, 4 to be your companions 15:35:34 that sounds similar to the disciple idea, yeah 15:35:46 although with the problem that presumably you need some interface to pick those allies? 15:35:51 yes 15:36:07 just a simple menu, maybe 15:36:10 tf4 15:36:41 or whatever the command is to have dudes follow you is 15:36:50 tf, yeah 15:37:03 i know marvinpa knows it! 15:37:03 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: @ looks fine to me 15:37:17 oh, was this fixed recently? 15:37:41 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: swapping is easy to fix; x over caught monsters looks more tricky, because the thing that makes that string doesn't have access to the monster 15:37:52 <|amethyst> %git f1c13e2 15:37:53 galehar * rf1c13e2d8ad8: Fix messages when caught in a web. (20 hours ago, 7 files, 21+ 12-) 15:37:56 <|amethyst> yes 15:38:17 oh okay i was in a branch that didn't have that 15:38:18 who what 15:38:20 that'd explain it 15:38:22 %help 15:38:29 %cmdinfo 15:38:52 FR: cheibot answers all of your queries after a 24-hour lag 15:39:15 <|amethyst> I guess I can add another MB_ enum tag 15:41:31 what is the mnemonic for MB_ tags 15:42:57 <|amethyst> dunno 15:43:29 <|amethyst> they're monster_info flags (where monster_info has stuff about a monster that doesn't leak info the player) 15:47:53 ??demon axe 15:47:54 I don't have a page labeled demon_axe in my learndb. 15:48:30 what is the demon axe and why does it seem to have something to do with noise propogation 15:48:30 mikee_: i like that idea 15:48:41 thanks 15:48:46 -!- qqryq has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:48:53 Wensley, it's the obsidian axe 15:48:59 ??obsidian axe 15:48:59 it's kinda dumb to have 50 followers of which you can only sanely control 9 or so 15:49:00 obsidian axe[1/2]: A +12, +15 broad axe of chopping that mesmerises you whenever a monster is in sight. +3 Str, SInv, +Lev, always recurses, sometimes summons a friendly demon (2, 3 or 4) when you kill stuff. Also cures confusion when you're mesmerised. 15:49:18 mikee_: oh, i had this same idea before when i was playing with yred 15:49:40 it's something i have wanted for a while 15:49:48 also it could lead into dressing your allies up! 15:50:17 to have a menu like the skills menu listing all my allies and let me choose their status individually 15:50:39 yeah, so that orc doesn't get that cpm you were saving for your warlord 15:51:40 if an orc takes your cpm you order him to stand in front until his corpse is no longer wearing it 15:52:07 i like how creature's corpses are automatically not wearing their armour anymore ;) 15:52:52 I'd rather have allies make saner choice themselves rather than having to micro manage it myself 15:53:23 does clarity only prevent unintentional berserk? 15:53:42 Wensley, that's right 15:53:51 did not know that 15:54:03 galehar: but having the ability to micro manage is nice when macromanaging fails 15:54:04 mikee_: I'm not sure I like selecting them. I was thinking of limiting the number of followers to say 18, and the stronger ones come along 15:54:31 some limit would be a good start 15:54:38 personally i think 18 is too high 15:54:48 that doesn't make a lot of sense flavor-wise, especially for beogh 15:54:56 9 or 12 15:54:56 Sure, 12 might be enough 15:55:04 and another question would be, what determines the stronger ones? 15:55:06 if you have more than 18 followers they strong ones kill and eat the weak ones to gain their power 15:55:07 just HD? 15:55:21 XP value 15:55:30 there might be a case where you really want those sorcerers and high priests instead of the warlords 15:55:47 there's already a formula to sort them out when they are crowding around you 15:55:50 or you DON'T want the wizards to come along 15:56:05 yes. i happen to find the spellcasting orcs to be the most annoying 15:56:08 but unfortunately many times even regular orcs get priority over spellcasting ones 15:56:32 or when you want to take your wizards to go gain some xp and make them sorcs etc 15:56:34 especially right when they blink into the middle of a strong pack of hostiles, and you've been training them for a while 15:56:57 then maybe adjust the formula so the priority works better, instead of having to manually select them 15:57:03 it sounds like people have a lot of different styles for playing beogh 15:57:09 hit recall! 15:57:28 also, do you ever have >12 warlords that prevents you to take spellcasters??? 15:57:36 not at all 15:57:46 maybe knights could block them too, though 15:58:14 i definitely agree that adding loads of micromanagement options is a bad solution, yeah 15:58:22 no, as i said, sometimes regular orcs block spellcasters for me, even high priests and sorcs 15:58:31 as I see it, playing beogh should feel like you're the general of an army. You give orders, and they interpret them, and sometimes it works, but sometimes they are stuborn or stupid 15:58:34 i don't think mikee's idea qualifies as loads 15:58:35 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:38 but it shouldn't feel like playing an rts 15:59:01 galehar: currently the orders are "attack that guy!" and "follow me!" 15:59:10 and wait here 15:59:11 well my idea itself is to put them all in a bank and to withdraw a certain number from that bank 15:59:17 mostly there is more micromanagement involved BECAUSE there is no interface 15:59:22 instead of like "attack that guy, ranged guys stay back!" 15:59:26 how good that would be maybe depends on the interface 15:59:42 although that may be a fault with the ai 15:59:49 so you have to do stupid things like wait on a square for certain orcs, do stupid things to give certain orcs certain equip 15:59:59 Zannick: you shouldn't have to tell the ranged guys to stay back. The AI could figure it out on its own. 16:00:16 my last beogh game mostly involved getting my orcs killed on purpose to sac their corpses for piety 16:00:17 The ranged AI doesn't work for allies, but it should be easy to make it so. 16:00:19 wheras if you could just choose some people, you mostly wouldn't find yourself in such situations 16:00:42 every time i ran into an orc band and some regular orcs joined me i kind of facepalmed 16:00:58 ogsus: I think the AI needs to be improved, not the interface 16:01:13 galehar: how about BOTH 16:01:17 the AI could stand to be better, but there definitely needs to be a real interface 16:01:17 !learn add beogh < mikee_> my last beogh game mostly involved getting my orcs killed on purpose to sac their corpses for piety 16:01:18 beogh[9/9]: < mikee_> my last beogh game mostly involved getting my orcs killed on purpose to sac their corpses for piety 16:01:30 galehar: no amount of ai improval can tell if you want to play with wizards or melee 16:02:03 or if you don't want regular orcs to follow you, or whether you want to play with followers > 3 16:02:11 you should automatically have a mixed band 16:02:23 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:beogh#apostles already covers lots of this 16:02:58 pick a number of followers, generate mixed band, have them follow you (more intelligently) 16:03:08 probably the picking a number bit isn't even necessary 16:03:40 yes, even something like that 16:03:49 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:03:54 everything up and through homeland looks good and simple 16:04:04 wtf is this leader aura shit 16:04:13 straight out of d:2 16:04:15 the rest is too complicated for me to comment on at the moment 16:04:22 MarvinPA: I agree. Set the max at 12, automatically have 1-2 priests and 1-2 wizards, have autoexplore and travel wait for your allies, and make interlevel travel works better. 16:04:36 yeah 16:05:03 improve ranged AI, inventory management. Get rid of recall. 16:05:13 there's a post on the tavern where XuaXua says he took all of Orc (ALL OF ORC) to his stash on Lair 16:05:29