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00:10:10 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-410-gc23ae1a
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04:19:17 <CIA-62> 03evilmike * r08f54826a1c6 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/zot.des: Only allow one version of lemuel_draconian_sentries per game.
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05:00:09 <Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-410-gc23ae1a
05:02:15 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r4f562d83a40d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/abyss.des: A bit of player hating.
05:03:32 <elliptic> kilobyte: <3
05:04:08 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r85060382dffc 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/abyss.des: "rune" <-> "exit"
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05:05:29 <kilobyte> sadly, regular Abyss vaults generate pretty rarely even if you drop the dummies
05:05:56 <kilobyte> but a rare surprise is even better, people will be genuinely surprised and pissed off
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06:59:09 <kilobyte> scrolls of summoning don't _summon_ anything: the aboms it creates are permanent (neither summoned or even durably summoned).  What about renaming the scroll?
06:59:21 <kilobyte> "scroll of abomination?  "scroll of unholy creation"?
07:08:38 <elliptic> the constriction message tells you the name of the monster constricting you even if it is invisible
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07:12:28 <chrisoelmueller> ??it[16]
07:12:33 <Henzell> it[16/20]: It constricts it!
07:12:35 <chrisoelmueller> no longer?
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08:18:19 <st_> kilobyte: I think it would be cool to change the scroll of summoning to give you a random rank-upgradable monster (eg naga, orc etc) and possibly add more possible upgrade paths
08:18:29 <st_> like for demons...
08:23:17 <st_> Something else it could be changed into would be a scroll of enslavement, working similar to the Yred ability
08:28:18 <jle> That seems like it would dilute the yred ability a lot.
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08:42:50 <Wensley> st_: btw, I have a friend who says that zigsprint is the best game that crawl has ever been
08:43:13 <Wensley> so I saw some commit messages mentioning umbra and demons, was there ever a determination made there
08:43:19 <Wensley> Eronarn ^
08:44:56 <Eronarn> Wensley: not to my knowledge
08:45:13 <Eronarn> i think that commit just made all demons - even shadow ones - not able to see in umbra
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10:34:10 <galehar> kiloobyte: <3 the abyssal mimics!
10:35:20 * kilobyte wants to see the face of the first player who gets one :)
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11:32:32 <BlastHardcheese> abyss exit mimics
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11:47:03 <Zannick> Your swamp worm zombie scowls horribly.
11:47:07 <Zannick> worms can scowl?
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13:05:04 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.11-a0-413-g8506038 (32)
13:16:49 <monqy> I was trying to play sprint but when I selected my class it froze  up, then when I tried again the connection closed with message  Connection to crawl.develz.org closed. now, please contact the  admin.
13:17:05 <monqy> now whenever I try I get
13:17:07 <monqy> The save file (/crawl-svn-c23ae1a/saves/sprint/monqy.cs) is empty!
13:17:07 <monqy> Hit any key to exit...
13:17:24 <monqy> I'll delete my save and trying again
13:18:49 <monqy> hit tab when selecting my sprint map and the exact same thing happened again
13:24:17 <monqy> this was zig sprint
13:24:54 <monqy> so trunk
13:25:40 <monqy> the other sprints work just fine, but zig sprint has troubles when it starts
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13:57:28 <|amethyst> I can confirm; a local copy of crawl locks up when I select Zig V, choose a race/class, and enter my name
13:58:40 <evilmike> hmm yeah, same here
13:58:45 <|amethyst> it's a database call from inside ghost_demon::init_random_demon
13:58:57 <evilmike> this was broken recently
13:59:40 <evilmike> though, I'm not sure right now what exactly broke it
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14:00:31 <|amethyst> each time I stop it, it's looking up a (different) pan lord name in the database
14:00:41 <|amethyst> presumably to avoid names like "Ring"
14:00:53 <MarvinPA> oh, someone was crashing with that error on the orb run yesterday too
14:00:58 <MarvinPA> i think?
14:01:27 <evilmike> sprint V is just causing crawl to lock up, I'm not getting a crash from it
14:02:27 <|amethyst> yeah
14:02:30 <monqy> was it reported as a crash but actually a lockup?
14:03:33 <|amethyst> oh
14:03:44 <evilmike> if it's pan lords doing this, what about actual pan levels in zigs?
14:03:50 <|amethyst> or pan itself
14:04:43 <MarvinPA> !lm mroovka crash -log
14:04:43 <Sequell> 16. mroovka, XL27 GhMo, T:86633 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/mroovka/crash-mroovka-20120309-211559.txt
14:04:49 <MarvinPA> that's the one that was happening yesterday
14:05:09 <MarvinPA> or one of them
14:05:22 <|amethyst> yeah, pan freezes too
14:05:30 <|amethyst> and I think I have the fix
14:12:03 <|amethyst> it's related to the quote wrapping stuff
14:12:12 <Eronarn> ghost_demon is the wackiest name for a thing in all the crawl code i've read
14:12:29 <|amethyst> that makes getLongDescription() return a newline instead of an empty string
14:13:00 <|amethyst> so the pan-lord code thinks the name is already taken, and repeats
14:14:40 <|amethyst> 15 is sigterm
14:14:47 <|amethyst> so that one probably died to the watchdog
14:19:53 <CIA-62> 03|amethyst * r482dc2933e11 10/crawl-ref/source/libutil.cc: Do not freeze when generating pan lords.
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14:20:52 <|amethyst> monqy:  thanks
14:24:28 <kilobyte> it says signal 15... was the game stuck in an infinite loop?
14:24:38 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  yes, just fixed
14:24:47 <|amethyst> unwrap_desc was appending a newline even to the empty string
14:25:29 <|amethyst> (making pan lord generation infinite-loop)
14:25:53 <kilobyte> so the infinite loop detection thingy doesn't work
14:25:59 <elliptic> pan lords did seem to generate fine usually though...
14:26:26 <|amethyst> elliptic:  I got a freeze on entering Pan
14:26:42 <kilobyte> the game should have aborted after 60 seconds of CPU use with no successful key press or going to the main loop
14:26:55 <|amethyst> I didn't wait that long
14:27:00 <elliptic> like, I had a game earlier today on CDO with pan lords in it
14:27:05 <|amethyst> elliptic:  0.11 not 0.10?
14:27:11 <elliptic> oh, 0.11 bug
14:27:53 <|amethyst> hm
14:28:23 <elliptic> I just assume that everyone is playing 0.10 until tourney end :)
14:28:28 <monqy> kilobyte: I think it aborted properly when I tried it
14:28:42 <|amethyst> does CAO have its own watchdog maybe?
14:28:59 <|amethyst> because that log did not say "Stuck game with 100%% CPU use"
14:29:20 <kilobyte> none I know of, such games need to be killed manually
14:29:28 <|amethyst> and a watchdog failure would be SIGABRT, right?
14:29:39 <monqy> on cdo for one of my tests I left a squarelos game going and checked it on the games list and eventually it vanished
14:29:53 <kilobyte> yeah, die()
14:31:35 <|amethyst> so sigterm would have to be outside intervention on the server
14:31:39 <|amethyst> hm
14:32:25 <|amethyst> this is a loop that involves repeated database lookups, so it probably takes a lot more than a minute to get 60 seconds of user CPU time
14:32:44 <Gretell> Snowclone (L11 DEEE) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 942 failed. (D:12)
14:33:18 <|amethyst> unless everything's memory mapped and in core, in which case I guess there might not be many syscalls
14:33:27 <MarvinPA> the game that was getting that error yesterday seemed to be aborting properly, i think
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15:04:25 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * rfc1fd3ce4070 10/crawl-ref/source/dbg-asrt.cc: Fix a misalignment in crash dumps.
15:04:36 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r586ef272d914 10/crawl-ref/source/ (crash.cc crash.h dbg-asrt.cc dbg-crsh.h): Merge away an one-function-wonder header file.
15:04:36 <CIA-62> 03kilobyte * r635acbe76ad9 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/pl/ (items.txt unident.txt): Let b0rsuk know what the hell a bardiche is.
15:04:56 <GrimmSweeper> kilobyte: Heheh bardiche
15:07:29 <kilobyte> actually, I know a restaurant with two well-made bardiches hanging on the wall
15:08:03 <kilobyte> so it might be not that obscure thing
15:08:17 <GrimmSweeper> Depends where you focus your attention.
15:08:20 <GrimmSweeper> I read fantasy books.
15:08:24 <GrimmSweeper> It comes up enough there.
15:08:43 <kilobyte> on the other hand, I have never talked about such things with folks who don't read fantasy, etc
15:08:53 <GrimmSweeper> *shrugs*
15:09:27 <kilobyte> could ask some random person to check
15:10:36 <GrimmSweeper> Hold on, let me check with a history major.
15:10:41 <kilobyte> :p
15:11:00 <GrimmSweeper> She isn't focused on medieval however so it should be alright.
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15:17:27 <GrimmSweeper> Okay she knows its a Middle Age weapon.
15:17:31 <GrimmSweeper> Asking about what type
15:18:02 <GrimmSweeper> Yep, pole axe type.
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17:00:59 <CIA-62> 03BurtonMatthewA * r52a4531e21dc 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abl-show.cc beam.cc spl-cast.cc spl-goditem.cc spl-goditem.h): Added more descriptive messages for failing to pacify, as detailed in #0004591
17:00:59 <CIA-62> 03MarvinPA * r8e4e2356d1d2 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Typo fix
17:03:19 <HangedMan> trying to use vaults with bands set and being frustrated that if the spacer isn't open enough band members can be placed *inside walls*
17:04:38 <Wensley> HangedMan: rock worm bands
17:04:42 <Wensley> boring beetle bands
17:04:50 <Wensley> old cacodemon bands
17:05:39 <HangedMan> "band" as in the actual "band" that the game uses to group monsters together as they wander
17:06:31 <HangedMan> which is kind of funny because said "bands" in vault placement can of course put them with seperating walls regardless of distances connecting, and also doesn't even always place a *band*
17:06:38 <Dixbert> jelly bands d:2-
17:06:59 <HangedMan> also cacodemon bands contain lemures, that doesn't make much sense
17:07:26 <HangedMan> unless they'd follow in a sort of fashion, upon which I am affronted you didn't come up with dissolution band
17:26:55 <Wensley> can we make brothers be durably summoned
17:27:24 <Wensley> kinda terrible to blow that much piety and then walk two feet and have a summoner come into view and have all your dudes get dismissed
17:27:25 <HangedMan> they already have trog shielding them from stuff
17:27:30 <Wensley> not from abjuration
17:27:40 <HangedMan> isn't that the entire point of the shield
17:27:51 <Wensley> ilsuiw chain-abjured four of my guys today
17:28:38 <HangedMan> m
17:28:49 <Wensley> yes, that is what she looked like while doing it
17:29:20 <HangedMan> I meant to go "mmmm" but that works too
17:34:06 <HangedMan> why is it that whenever I load up mantis I get an unrelated term already in the search
17:43:22 <MarvinPA> trog does shield them from abjuration, yeah
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17:49:19 <Wensley> MarvinPA: I just watched your brothers get abjured in tomb
17:49:50 <MarvinPA> right, it's not a 100% thing
17:50:31 <HangedMan> 100% certain things in crawl that devs like:
17:50:37 <kilobyte> it works by duration, and Bros have it pretty small
18:05:11 <dtsund> HangedMan: Runes
18:05:48 <HangedMan> abyssal rune isn't liked at times, still not good enough
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18:06:05 <dtsund> The Orb?
18:06:33 <HangedMan> orb run has been poked and prodded at for ages
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18:54:40 <due> fr: orb being in zot is only a 60% chance? :D
18:55:16 <HangedMan> no, it just needs to have some tiny aspect of randomization
18:55:24 <HangedMan> fr: 0.01% chance of dancing orb of zot
18:59:43 <elliptic> it already occasionally has an item on top of it
18:59:56 <elliptic> which makes apportation-based ninjaing less effective
19:00:52 <CIA-62> 03elliptic * r31cf5b0aff25 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Have Passage of Golubria make noise when a portal times out.
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20:42:46 <nfogravity> evilmike, are you around?
20:46:03 <evilmike> somewhat
20:46:18 <nfogravity> i fixed the code, there was a bug
20:46:56 <evilmike> ah, good
20:48:05 <nfogravity> i like putting it on &# though, that's clever
20:48:16 <Cheibriados> the new &# command doesn't work (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5408) by nfogravity
20:50:27 <nfogravity> chei has the link, evilmike. patch it from master and you should be good to go
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20:53:21 <Cheibriados> Constriction persists through blink, if the endpoint is still in range. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5409) by Kyrris
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21:01:15 <evilmike> nfogravity: it works, yeah. one thing I am noticing though - if the morgue file doesn't list a skill (ie that skill is at 0), the command wont change your skill
21:01:26 <nfogravity> yeah, i know
21:05:14 <CIA-62> 03nfogravity * r1c0822001114 10/crawl-ref/source/wiz-you.cc: Fix the &# command and clean up the wizard morgue file reading function.
21:06:35 <nfogravity> great thank you
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21:24:57 <everyonemines> Is there any work on making webtiles playable from tiles, to get the UI improvements?
21:25:02 <everyonemines> What would that take?
21:27:20 <HangedMan_> wouldn't it be better to move the ui improvements into tiles rather then the entire webtiles crock-up
21:27:45 <everyonemines> Huh?
21:28:03 <everyonemines> Tiles is what has the UI improvements...
21:28:18 <MarvinPA> you'd have to ask edlothiol what his plans are, when he's around
21:28:20 <everyonemines> What webtiles has is the ability to watch other people play.
21:28:26 <Zannick> you're asking if you can have a local tiles client to play crawl online
21:28:54 <MarvinPA> he's the only one working on webtiles, but i don't think there's any work or any plan to work on stuff with the local client at the moment
21:28:54 <everyonemines> Which logically would be an extension of the tiles client.
21:29:03 <Zannick> webtiles is basically a tiles-like frontend to crawl server-side
21:29:32 <MarvinPA> the work is mainly going towards improving the browser client (and server-side backend stuff and whatever)
21:29:45 <everyonemines> What I'm thinking of is pulling the lower level commands generated by tiles, and sending them to the online client.
21:29:56 <everyonemines> That way you get the extra features.
21:30:06 <Zannick> that...is webtiles
21:30:09 <Zannick> roughly
21:30:33 <Zannick> i'm not sure whether it would be better or faster to try to add the remaining features to webtiles or to build a full client/server package
21:31:09 <Wensley> everyonemines: you should contact edlothiol, he's the only one who knows how webtiles works, maybe he has some insight
21:31:11 <HangedMan_> how does the version that has an actual monster list have anything less then the other, aside from a mouse-available menu that really just slows down play
21:31:33 <MarvinPA> probably somewhere in the history of webtiles discussion is a some kind of explanation of why it's the way it is
21:31:37 <HangedMan_> and is completely untranslateable over to every other interface for crawl
21:31:43 <MarvinPA> and why this way is much easier to get working
21:31:58 <MarvinPA> but yeah i would have no idea how to explain it
21:32:13 <HangedMan_> also something about how mouse and stuff would be displayed from afar without even *more* taxing on the poor server
21:33:07 <Henzell> nrook the Chiller (L1 DEIE)  (D)
21:34:10 <Wensley> HangedMan_: you do not know how browsers work!
21:34:32 <HangedMan_> also webtiles has glyph mode and glyph hybrid mode so for the majority of players webtiles having the menu/spells/monster menu display *thing* is a slow add-on more then anything important
21:34:50 <HangedMan_> okay fine wensley retract the mouse statement
21:35:08 <nrook> the exciting backstory: I tried to play zigsprint on cao trunk, it hung, I ended the session, tried again, got a "stale processes" message, decided to force them quitting, and am now getting this message:
21:35:42 <elliptic> nrook: there is a bug in trunk with pan lords
21:35:43 <nrook> The save file (/crawl-master/crawl-git-85060382df/saves/sprint/nrook.cs) is empty!
21:36:03 <elliptic> it is fixed but the fix is not on the servers yet I thing
21:36:05 <elliptic> think
21:36:11 <nrook> ah ok, thanks
21:36:39 <nrook> I'll stay away from zigsprint for now, then
21:38:44 <chrisoelmueller> also from pan and orb runs
21:39:03 <chrisoelmueller> and regular zigs .. so the fix should be up rather soon
21:45:29 <nrook> alright, I look forward to it
22:04:26 <CIA-62> 03elliptic * r83bb6bacfdbd 10/crawl-ref/source/ (item_use.cc item_use.h player.cc): Fix the @ speed description applying Finesse twice for ranged combat.
22:04:34 <CIA-62> 03elliptic * r4d047e13e739 10/crawl-ref/source/item_use.cc: Make ranged combat speed smoother.
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22:48:22 <CIA-62> 03dolorous * rdf2e2805c649 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Don't use mprf() when mpr() will do.
23:01:09 <HangedMan_> evilmike, do you think it would be easier to report and have a bunch of bugs about bands fixed, or to just place pseudo-bands in the vault that brought up said bugs instead
23:02:03 <evilmike> if you found a bug report it
23:02:12 <evilmike> if you can work around it, you might as well do that too
23:03:07 <evilmike> i can barely understand what you're saying though
23:03:25 <HangedMan_> not entirely sure if "if vault tries to place any band in confined space, may place members in walls" needs an example or not
23:05:09 <evilmike> if something is causing a monster to appear in walls you should report that. if you can give examples of how to reproduce it, that's helpful
23:06:05 <HangedMan_> will do
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23:07:43 <evilmike> I still don't know what you mean about "pseudo-bands" though
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23:28:07 <CIA-62> 03dolorous * re429c2bb2e73 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-goditem.cc: Add formatting fixes.
23:30:49 <Cheibriados> Crash on monster spawn on Orb run (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5410) by Ebonnov
23:31:59 <monqy> guessing that's the fixed bug and cdo just hasn't updated yet?
23:36:05 <evilmike> yeah
23:40:04 <CIA-62> 03dolorous * r733b69eec9e5 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-gear.cc: Experimentally remove the limit of one returning-brand weapon per monster.
23:42:18 <Zannick> "experimentally"
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