00:00:21 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:00:34 LeastActionMan (L27 OgHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Tar:7) 00:01:10 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-323-ge7517a0 (32) 00:08:20 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-323-ge7517a0 00:10:19 -!- medgno has quit [Quit: Quitting] 00:11:52 -!- threefourthree has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:13 rax: cao broked, games froze, I can't log on 00:12:27 hmm, I can't connect either 00:17:47 same 00:18:37 looks like a different problem to yesterday? i'm stuck at auth instead of being able to connect but unable to start games, at least 00:19:27 yeah it's different 00:22:35 after sitting at auth for a few minutes, I get an error window: "Network error: Software caused connection abort." 00:24:07 -!- greatzebu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:21 !tell rax looks like an exciting new error on cao? people are unable to get past auth to connect at all, dunno what happened to people who were already connected but !whereis doesn't respond 00:24:23 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:24 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:43 hm if henzell is even alive... 00:25:56 oh, it died 00:26:00 well that would explain it 00:26:21 the lack of !whereis, that is 00:26:57 some people who are connected are still playingo kay 00:27:16 until you go to a new floor i think 00:53:23 -!- threefourthree has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:56:27 zot traps moved to lair:3? I thought they were 8 only... and I don't remember seeing that in notes 01:00:48 <|amethyst> Felyza: if (random2(1 + level_number) > 14 && one_chance_in(3) 01:00:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:32 hmm... will look at what it used to be in a bit 01:01:37 <|amethyst> seems to be unchanged for several years 01:01:48 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356]] 01:02:04 ah.. then what I read on the wiki was wrong (again, sigh) 01:04:47 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:01 .??badwiki ;) 01:16:54 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36:18 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:38:38 -!- PoopBridge has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:23 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:50:35 -!- knoppix has joined ##crawl-dev 01:50:49 -!- umrain has left ##crawl-dev 01:54:44 Hello all. Since CAO is down again I just want to say that I (playings) would feel totally comfortable with all my recordings being deleted. Of course I have no idea of the administration of the server, just saying. Maybe deleteting all recordings older then, say 6 months, would help. Maybe leave the morgue-files as they are since they are needed for player overview shrug .... 01:55:15 Also, big thanks to all of you. 02:16:14 -!- nfogravity has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:31:08 -!- knoppix has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 02:37:48 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:49:00 -!- greatzebu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:49:34 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:02:39 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:08:23 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:16 -!- knoppix has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:30 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:02 -!- knoppix has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 03:26:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:27:16 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:46:28 -!- greatzebu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:00:36 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 04:12:19 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:16:02 Grerr (L4 DrWr) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: Bad file descriptor (D:4) 04:33:03 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:48:42 R18 (L15 CeBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Swamp:4) 04:49:08 Cybermg (L14 OpFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Lair:1) 05:00:08 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-323-ge7517a0 05:01:46 Cybermg (L15 OpFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:14) 05:07:58 Zappman123 (L12 OpTm) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:10) 05:21:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 05:25:07 sirdond (L22 MfGl) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:9) 05:31:08 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:31:58 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 05:43:59 Roadstrum (L7 VpNe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:5) 05:56:27 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:58 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 06:15:20 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:19:47 Bart (L11 MfAK) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Lair:1) 06:35:13 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:37:36 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:49:17 Connector placement failed at 54 25 06:49:17 _Error! failed to place monster in tentacle connect change 06:49:17 Tentacle connect failed! What the heck! severed status 1 06:49:17 _Pathed to 56 27 from 56 27 mid 2 count 1 06:51:22 :( 06:51:29 Kraken or hentai? 06:52:19 malign gateway from a zot trap 06:52:34 I was out of sight of it when those messages printed so I don't know what was happening 06:53:09 hm 07:07:51 -!- psch has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:39 hi, i'm getting "Another game is already in progress using this save!" on tCDO, can anyone help me get back to playing the game? 07:10:20 there's similar issues already open on the tracker without any attention, so i am refraining from reporting it again 07:20:53 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: something happened] 07:27:16 forgot to mention, i dont have any browser logged in and running the game 07:42:00 tcjsavannah (L23 HaBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Vault:7) 07:42:40 CarbonBasedLifeform (L10 FeFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Lair:1) 07:43:09 VictorG (L13 OpWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Lair:1) 07:46:01 Gobbopathe (L4 MiBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:1) 07:56:51 R18 (L24 CeBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Lair:1) 08:00:14 -!- knoppix has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:32 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:38 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:02:21 -!- knoppix has quit [Client Quit] 08:10:09 what is the current issue with cao? i thought the disk space free up solved things? 08:11:58 nobody knows 08:12:25 it died several hours ago and rax is probably still asleep 08:12:44 just woke up 08:12:51 looking 08:13:00 I left it with 30g of free space 08:13:11 if 30g fills in a day of tourney there is _nothing_ I can do to fix this :( 08:13:29 I'm hoping that isn't the case. =/ 08:13:42 the symptoms are different from when it ran out of free space yesterday 08:13:57 it doesn't seem to want to do things, hrm 08:14:06 oh god trying to log into the vm host is not working either 08:14:10 I had things to do this weekend :( 08:16:10 rax: hi, this is your weekend calling for a rain check? 08:16:20 wait, 30gb in a day? 08:16:32 is someone going through the entirety of project gutenberg in notes or something? 08:16:50 I have no clue 08:16:56 I can't get anything on CAO to respond really 08:16:56 1learn add bad_ideas 08:17:03 The VM server is also fucked 08:17:15 and I can't even run top or interact with mutt on my machine 08:17:40 O_o 08:17:51 that does not sound good 08:18:35 AIM works but mutt doesn't? what the hell computer 08:19:04 can't ^C out of things 08:19:12 rax: :/ 08:19:15 This is probably going to mean a restart, honestly 08:19:30 bhaak: were you running a nethack server on Amazon's EC3 or was it someone else? maybe NAO 08:20:01 NAO is 08:20:09 ahah 08:20:23 I meant to ask what kind of costs that ended up using but meh 08:20:40 ...yeah trying to run anything that provides information is kinda borked 08:20:40 I supposed paxed is the person to poke? 08:20:46 or dytpe 08:20:58 neither are currently present; goddamn them! 08:21:14 also wtf it's :20 midnight and i have to get up earlyish 08:21:31 now here's the $64k question: can I get to strict-machine from elsewhere on the network? 08:21:40 answer appears to be "no" which means we are fucked 08:21:58 rax: i wish to talk to you more about strict-machine simply so i can find an instance wherein 'strictly speaking, no' is applicable. 08:22:00 due: the unnethack server admin did, but it was on a micro instance with heavy cpu throttling that resulted in bad lag. so nothing that would have been comparable to CAO 08:22:08 bhaak: ouchies 08:22:35 bhaak: i'm running my irssi out of a free-tier EC3 currently 08:22:39 a simple compilation of a new version was noticable 08:24:18 i can imagine 08:24:48 -!- rax_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:09 okay I think I am going to try taking down autumnfox and see if that frees up any resources for me to use to fix things on the main server 08:25:38 If that fails I will probably have to hard-reboot the VM server and start trwaling logs 08:25:43 hi rax 08:25:46 what up 08:25:48 this sucks 08:25:51 I know right 08:25:54 kay catch you later 08:25:57 -!- rax has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:25:59 :D 08:26:11 ahahahaha it can't get me a shell if I quit 08:26:22 rax_ has a tail? it should be ^rax^_ so you have ears too 08:26:30 hah 08:26:38 okay nevermind can't quit out of autumnfox. 08:27:00 bhaak: unnethack != nao though, right? 08:27:56 ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host that's different at least 08:28:47 due: yes, NAO == mostly vanilla 08:29:09 so there were already few players to start with 08:30:02 dangit all of my notes on this are stored on the machine itself 08:30:49 okay cool 08:30:50 -> sleep 08:30:54 rax_: good luck! 08:37:57 oh my god such kernel fuckage 08:40:41 gonna have to reboot :/ 08:40:55 -!- [1]GrimmSweeper has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:55 -!- GrimmSweeper has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:40:56 -!- [1]GrimmSweeper is now known as GrimmSweeper 08:41:34 watching it boot now 08:44:32 some danger the VM host is not coming back up, it's stuck somewhere and I don't know why 08:46:50 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:12 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:55 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:49:55 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 08:50:56 -!- rax__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:26 -!- rax_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:52:41 cao is fscking 08:52:55 when it comes back I am going to have to reset a bunch of stuff 08:53:29 unfortunately if this happens again the answer is "CAO is no longer sturdy enough to withstand a tournament" 08:54:23 -!- rax has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:54:36 -!- rax__ is now known as rax 08:57:31 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:00 trul (L2 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: Bad file descriptor (D:1) 09:22:37 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:44 aabb (L9 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:5) 09:24:01 -!- ogsus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:24:31 Patodis (L13 DDFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Lair:6) 09:37:57 -!- kek has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:32 -!- kek has quit [Client Quit] 09:43:30 Daiyousei (L16 SpBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:8) 09:50:55 Xenon (L1 DrFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: Bad file descriptor (D:1) 09:56:31 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356]] 09:57:20 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:04 Xenon (L4 DrFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: Bad file descriptor (D:2) 10:06:38 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11:19 should have run fsck -y 10:43:46 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:34 wow the CAO filesystem is pretty fucked 10:50:11 what happened to it, anyway? 10:50:20 Not entirely sure 10:50:35 but it made the VM server's kernel go kablooie 10:50:42 current guess is that it was overloaded 10:50:55 can't really look at logfiles since I haven't managed to get a successful fsck yet 10:51:19 I'm going to try to accelerate hardware replacement and get it on a newer machine 10:51:30 It looks like the files that were open when the crash happened are screwed 10:51:43 I'm supposed to have gone hiking two hours ago, at some point I am going to leave 10:51:52 so this may not be back up until tonight 10:53:34 wow, that was a shitton of fsck errors 10:53:41 I cannot promise this machine is going to come back up usable :( 10:54:48 but... fsck is donw 10:54:51 rebooting 10:55:03 let's see what happens 10:57:28 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:35 imantor (L20 MiBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Orc:3) 11:05:40 O.O 11:06:24 -!- gnsh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:06:40 when I play a game on CDO now, will it appear in the CAO HTML page? Do CDO games even appear there? 11:07:03 in theory the scores should be merged for the tournament pages 11:07:13 in practice there could be issues there, I am not 100% sure, it was working earlier 11:07:17 should I wait until CAO works again before I play a game I want to see on that page later? 11:07:30 naa, the logfiles will be fine 11:07:32 Thanks, rax, for the extra work you've been putting in this tournament. 11:07:33 k 11:07:39 in fact playing on CDO is probably the best thing to do ;) 11:07:40 thanks from me, too :-) 11:07:46 GrimmSweeper: you're welcome! I'm sorry it hasn't been more stable 11:07:55 I hope to have new hardware and a clean install in place by the next tournament 11:08:04 either over my spring break or, if that's not possible, once my semester is done 11:08:15 flord (L8 DrCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:7) 11:09:31 -!- gnsh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:55 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:43 Korinth (L10 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:9) 11:13:39 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:13:39 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 11:14:25 -!- gnsh has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:22:15 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:50 ToBeFree: if you mean http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/overview.html (and related pages), the scripts that produce those pages need an update to show 0.10 CDO games... they will at some point though 11:34:16 but they WILL show games I played before that update, I hope^^ 11:34:26 yes :) 11:34:36 okay, great^^ 11:34:36 thanks. ;-) 11:36:51 er, rax, 11:36:59 I just used !whereis ToBeFree and 11:37:06 I got the weirdest answer ever^^ 11:37:15 "SpAr" - wtf, I never played any 11:37:26 maybe the savefiles messed up and I got other people's savegames? O.O 11:37:56 ToBeFree: try logging into CAO and see if there is a SpAr there 11:38:13 okay, wait^^ 11:39:12 -er damn, forget, my fault xD 11:39:15 sorry ^^ 11:39:21 I thought Ar means "Archer" xD 11:39:48 !wtf spar 11:39:49 Spriggan Artificer 11:41:29 lol 11:41:31 yes 11:41:32 ^^ 11:42:07 Boodz (L7 KoBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:4) 11:46:05 -!- nfogravity has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:15 0nan (L22 SEEE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Vault:3) 11:48:25 Herobrine (L13 KoBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:13) 11:48:54 Herobrine (L13 KoBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:13) 12:01:53 is there a way i can continue playing on webtiles? it says my save is still in use although i dont have any brower logged in and playing anymore, don't show up in the current games list on seleniac.org nor on webtiles itself 12:05:09 psch: ask Napkin 12:05:18 checking 12:05:38 same username as here 12:05:38 another 100% CPU bugger process, I bet 12:06:07 try again, psch 12:06:17 load of 9 on CDO.. *sigh* 12:06:33 Napkin: was I right? 12:06:34 yes, works again, tyvm 12:06:50 not sure, kilobyte - killing with -1 worked 12:07:01 but i assume so, because load is going down 12:07:21 if Crawl itself is stuck in an infinite loop, this can be detected 12:08:02 if it takes, say, 60 seconds of CPU time without visiting the input loop, it can be given the finger 12:08:05 many webtiles game use >50% sometimes, kilobyte 12:08:10 (and I mean the Nethack level 7 one) 12:08:12 have a look for yourself 12:08:13 hrm 12:08:23 this was never the case previously.. or was it? 12:08:45 yay :( 12:09:04 BMP (L7 NaTm) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:6) 12:09:18 <|amethyst> have you tried attaching to one of these processes with gdb? 12:09:27 <|amethyst> to see where it's stuck 12:09:38 many times, yes 12:09:48 but no time for that at the moment 12:12:14 is that 50% CPU something with autoexplore and travel_delay > -1 ? 12:13:08 alzamon (L8 OpAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:6) 12:13:08 Gorice (L19 HuWn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:13) 12:13:14 for what it's worth, it's the first time this has happened to me and i did set those options yesterday in my rc 12:13:22 even then, it should be mostly sleeping: drawing the screen is not a big deal, it's sending like ten bytes per screen cell 12:14:12 I guess edlothiol could explain that massive CPU use of webtiles 12:14:59 this quad-core thingy with 2.8ghz is really sweating already ;) 12:15:28 however, these processes 1. are not stuck, and 2. visit the input loop every time autoexplore moves, so they wouldn't be hurt by detection of stuck processes this way 12:19:06 -!- umrain has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:47 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23:53 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:11 Korinth (L15 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Lair:8) 12:28:23 wwf (L13 MuWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Lair:2) 12:29:45 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:51 NateM (L11 MuWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:5) 12:38:58 mroswick (L6 NaWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:5) 12:39:10 Daydreamer (L24 MfIE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Vault:3) 12:39:19 NateM (L11 MuWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:2) 12:41:03 Daydreamer (L24 MfIE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Vault:5) 12:41:20 Daydreamer (L24 MfIE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (Vault:5) 12:41:24 :o 12:44:53 laxity (L4 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:2) 12:54:59 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:36 jamesjoyce (L3 SETm) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:2) 13:00:27 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:57 03dolorous * r6a3fc21c4e3f 10/crawl-ref/source/religion.cc: Fix debugging message for gods that don't like anything. 13:01:58 03dolorous * r10ca7dd481c2 10/crawl-ref/source/religion.cc: Fix indentation. 13:02:00 03dolorous * r71035ffdb063 10/crawl-ref/source/ (beam.cc godprayer.cc godwrath.cc items.cc religion.cc): Properly use simple_god_message() in more places. 13:02:14 03dolorous * r8f024ada0bf2 10/crawl-ref/source/areas.cc: Fix punctuation. 13:10:18 03dolorous * r6bf02ec5a10d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ (features.txt items.txt): Fix capitalization of "the Shining One" in a few places. 13:12:08 rax: about ttyrecs, interesting thing: xz is hardly better (531500 xz vs 547196 bz2), but if instead of ttyrec (vt100 codes) we dump the whole raw screen every frame, xz gains a huge edge (286036 xz vs 487653 bz2) 13:12:21 03dolorous * rd989e4f50a24 10/crawl-ref/source/godwrath.cc: Typo fix. 13:14:14 03dolorous * rb14ba8219ab2 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/FAQ.txt: Also fix capitalization of "the Shining One" in the FAQ. 13:14:17 and that's as mindless wasteful UTF-8 character + 32 bit attributes; a better representation can likely better 13:17:16 a DoomRL ttyrec shows about the same improvement 13:27:53 kilobyte, thanks for the feedback 13:33:29 when you're free, can we talk about a few issues that might come up with changing ranged weapons and how to deal with them? 13:41:18 03dolorous * r1a2f3fe43724 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Fix wording. 13:41:18 03dolorous * rabf6557f9dd9 10/crawl-ref/source/ (describe.cc religion.cc): Finally fix capitalization of "the Shining One" in the code. 13:42:11 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:13 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:49:49 Aimeelou (L2 SEEE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: Bad file descriptor (D:2) 13:50:35 -!- umrain has left ##crawl-dev 13:55:27 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:40 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:04:45 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:24 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:43 flord (L7 DrCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:6) 14:23:08 Tollymain (L2 NaNe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:2) 14:29:03 03dolorous * r04efdc58e275 10/crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc: Remove obsolete comment. 14:34:19 03dolorous * r027cac00e2fa 10/crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc: Add formatting fixes. 14:37:40 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:41:05 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:35 does fighting skill augment ranged attacks at all? 14:58:59 i guess this is the wrong room for that, sorry 15:10:39 the answer is no 15:12:28 yeah, i'm reading the throw_it code now 15:12:33 holy fuck 15:13:55 heh 15:16:02 why on earth are ranged attacks calculated completely differently from melee 15:17:10 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:17:19 that's abstruse and alienating 15:18:16 ask linley, i guess 15:18:26 nfogravity: it has long been acknowledged that crawl's ranged/melee split is ungood 15:18:40 is this a holdover from the original DC? 15:19:06 and no one ever wanted to completely nuke it and use the melee code as a base? 15:19:17 i'm sure people wanted to 15:19:25 didn't cryptic do a little bit to unify it 15:19:26 they just never had a spare lifetime to do so 15:19:43 it's not THAT long 15:19:44 no, cryptic wanted to but even he admitted that it should wait and just worked on melee :P 15:19:45 nfogravity: are you volunteering? thanks! :) 15:19:48 i am 15:21:56 unifying player and monster melee was a pretty big job with a bunch of major bugs, but sure, it'd be great to have ranged combat be unified somehow too 15:22:46 dunno if cryptic or anyone had any thoughts on how best to go about it 15:22:52 i'm not a dev and am relatively new to the game, but it looks like a decent priority to me 15:22:56 based on the survey results 15:23:55 ranged combat plays pretty differently from melee or spellcasting, and i'd really like if it was possible to play it somewhat transparently 15:24:37 all good players "know" what to do skillwise for melee, but ranged seems a lot iffier 15:25:00 well that's not a positive property of melee combat 15:25:17 ranged: more is better 15:25:29 right, ranged actually works way better in that regard 15:27:21 that's fine, and interesting actually 15:28:25 i guess the point is that you can raise either fighting and a melee skill, or a ranged skill? 15:29:01 huh? 15:29:14 fighting serves double-duty 15:29:27 it increases melee skill and also gives an hp bump 15:29:55 so if i'm playing a melee character i get my weapon to min delay and then push fighting 15:30:14 I think trying to actually unify melee should come before adding ranged to the mix 15:30:19 right 15:30:59 "actually"? how far is it now? 15:31:39 we can fix the formulas used without worrying about how they're called 15:31:51 that stuff should be way less of a priority 15:32:18 nfogravity: monster and player melee use the same code path now, but every function has a huge if statement in it separating the two cases 15:32:44 ew 15:39:56 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:52 compilerguy (L9 HEHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 204: Socket write error: No buffer space available (D:6) 15:45:19 03dolorous * r306dba0d07de 10/crawl-ref/source/wiz-item.cc: Make wizard_make_object_randart() handle curses as acquirement does. 15:45:49 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:48:28 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:48:54 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:22 03dolorous * rc650cca608d0 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Add minor cosmetic fix. 16:00:52 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:52 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:58 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:50 -!- jeanjacques has quit [] 16:42:19 clouded (L19 DgAs) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 942 failed. (Snake:5) 16:42:41 hm, passage of golubria crash 16:42:53 lm . -log 16:42:57 !lm . -log 16:42:58 22705. clouded, XL19 DgAs, T:96807 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/clouded/crash-clouded-20120304-224207.txt 16:44:13 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:45:08 back. so how broken is it? 16:45:25 looks... actually not that broken? 16:45:29 *hopeful* 16:47:30 no one sent me PMs so I guess I will go back to actually hanging out with my partner who is in town 16:47:39 but I am at least in cell phone range now, so let me know if something's up 16:50:53 i've not noticed anyone mention any problems, seems to be surviving so far at least :) 16:51:22 Crash while stepping into a passage of golubria (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5386) by st 16:52:26 I think that spell is at a pretty good place now by the way... 16:52:40 seems quite useful for a few different reasons 16:52:50 hm yeah, i've seen a few people get decent use out of it 16:53:11 jarpiain ninjaing cerebov with it was pretty awesome 17:03:43 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:25 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:59 my main concern about current PoG is the scummy nature of using it for stabbing 17:17:16 -!- blabber_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:23 (cast and then wait for the portals to disappear if you don't like where they are) 17:17:42 yeah, that's always been a problem with it 17:17:45 :( 17:18:18 simplest way of fixing this would be to make it ineffective for stabbing by having it make noise 17:18:31 but that makes me sad, especially with cBlink stabbing not working nowadays 17:18:41 yeah, it's a cool usage... 17:19:16 03MarvinPA * r84598a1b664b 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Change MUT to Contam in artefact inscriptions, use consistent capitalisation 17:19:20 -!- blueDave has quit [] 17:19:25 ooh, here's a better idea 17:19:36 have it make noise *when the portal dissipates* 17:19:51 ahh, yeah 17:20:15 that sounds like it'd work nicely 17:20:16 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:24:52 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ragdoll] 17:25:46 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120215223356]] 17:28:14 that's brilliant 17:35:38 -!- blabber_ has quit [Quit: gn8] 17:42:14 -!- nfogravity has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:42:50 -!- nfogravity has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:25 03MarvinPA * r6337f06fd968 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc: Fix repeated monster names in Simulacrum messaging 17:51:17 -!- rawrmage is now known as notchangingnick 17:51:19 -!- notchangingnick is now known as rawrmage 17:55:21 rax: luck! 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