00:15:51 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:28:15 -!- greatzebu has quit [Quit: greatzebu] 00:47:59 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:54:17 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:00 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:42:42 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 01:42:44 -!- xnavy has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:33 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:07 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:38 napkin: i am pretty suprised how many many filled in the survey already 02:09:04 Ragdoll: we want numbers 02:12:08 Total responses: 256 right now 02:13:32 also, "Yet another survey that only has binary options for gender. :( " 02:13:35 im not sure what to do about this 02:17:58 it's not binary, you have "no answer" there too 02:19:16 i've seen once a account creation form for a transgender forum. they've got around 10 different selections and in top of that you could even do freeform text. 02:20:31 it was used as an example for there might be complicated answers to seemingly simple questions depending on your target group 02:21:21 the simple solution: ignore those people. the less simple but still simple solution: put "other" in there 02:21:22 Ragdoll: at the very least include "other" and "decline to answer" 02:21:35 bhaak: Some of those people will likely be developers or former developers. :p 02:21:42 I haven't filled out the survey 02:21:43 due: "decline to answer" is already there. 02:22:00 bhaak: That's...something 02:22:08 But I regularly email people doing surveys to point out that "Male"/"female" is extremely limited. 02:22:15 due: i know, developers can be awfully at nitpicking :) 02:22:20 :p 02:22:21 but yeah, there is male/female/no answer 02:22:28 add "other"? 02:22:52 rax might have a better idea though 02:23:16 other could be donem or other triggering a gigantic droplist of altenative answers 02:23:18 ofc, "no answer" is something else than "i want to answer but the binary selection doesn't fit my personal view on my gender". 02:23:52 Ragdoll: or preferably a free-form field 02:24:01 alternatley somewhere I cna draw a picture of a caboose 02:24:49 now you're being silly 02:24:56 Ugh. I just picked the gender question in limesurvey, so i cant add things myself 02:24:59 a caboose can't handle a keyboard, so you can't be one 02:25:07 bhaak: I can /identify/ as one though 02:25:11 limesurvey is at fault here, obviously 02:25:43 caboose isnt a gender, is it though? 02:26:01 "a gender" haha 02:26:02 due: granted. humans are good at self deception even when faced with undeniable proofs against it 02:26:05 * due coughs. 02:26:28 bhaak: if my example hadn't been so silly it would be possible to find that comment offensive :p 02:27:43 due: that's okay. i find it already offensive being part of humanity if you look at some examples of humans. :-) 02:27:50 :D 02:29:10 Ragdoll: awesome :D 02:29:13 and moin guys! 02:29:21 Ragdoll: did you reset the survey in time? 02:29:21 ttants: ragdoll, ragpoll 02:29:27 hahaha 02:31:18 napkin: yeah, i got poked by evilmike a couple of days ago. turned the survey offline, did the final fixes and turned it back on yesterday 02:32:38 excellent! 02:35:27 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:06 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:02:03 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 03:08:55 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:27:10 !tell greatzebu there are reports that all Mac builds crash on startup 03:27:10 kilobyte: OK, I'll let greatzebu know. 03:28:51 what about stashing on cart-up? 03:35:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:00:25 -!- unferth has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:48 hey, question about sound 04:01:33 i know i'm one of the very few people that actually use it, but i haven't been able to get it to work since 0.8 04:04:37 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 04:13:21 unferth: not that unlikely :( 04:13:30 it's completely unmaintained 04:13:56 hmm well i wish to find the problem 04:14:14 otherwise i'm probably going to spend the majority of my time on 0.7 :P 04:14:27 I guess, mostly because we weren't allowed to grab any sounds except those in Public Domain or made specifically for Crawl. After the relicensing, taking from an GPL-compatible source is fine. 04:14:31 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:15:04 what set of sounds do you use? 04:15:50 i've just gathered them over the years.. been meaning to make a video of them in action. there was one on youtube awhile ago but the sounds were very grating. 04:16:21 i like them because it keeps me from looking at the msg buffer all the time. 04:17:22 looks like i have about 120 triggers so far :) 04:18:42 -!- jeanjacques has quit [] 04:20:43 well all you would need really is 1 sound and 1 trigger to test it. 04:21:42 can't do that right now (at work) 04:21:59 i mean, during developement. 04:23:47 just 1 quick question: way back in the day, it used to be required to change a config file and tell it which platform you were compiling for. this is no longer needed, correct? 04:24:59 unferth: I never needed to do that, so probably gone :) 04:29:18 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:07 oh... it works!!! 04:33:59 crap.. i wish i had gotten it to work sooner.. i pretty much skipped .8 and .9 in favor of 7 because i thought i had a sound issue. 04:34:57 > crawl 04:35:00 > sound 04:35:38 hmm? 04:35:51 well i found the issue.. i swear i've tried this before 04:36:53 crawlrc doesn't accept the ~ placeholder for my homedir anymore. changed to absolute file path. 04:37:25 now to go strangle some goblins :) 04:38:14 unferth: sounds like a regression 04:38:40 also, there was something about sound being a security problem, that's why it's not enabled by default. it'd be nice if it was, i wouldn't have to recompile. 04:38:53 security issue? 04:39:02 yeah, because it calls an external command 04:39:15 bhaak: it doesn't matter now that Crawl isn't setgid anymore 04:39:19 ah 04:40:35 I just looked at libsdl-sound, I see no reason not to use that 04:41:07 would avoid all the nonsense with external commands, and allow us to have per-sound loudness, etc 04:41:25 or perhaps even directional sound 04:41:53 although it can't be done like DoomRL or real Doom -- information leak compared to players without sound 04:42:30 cool. well i think it's fine to not provide sounds. but if it's possible to be compiled in next release, i'll try to come up with a theme available for seperate download. 04:42:33 interesting how DoomRL managed to be a roguelike you need to have sound to play well :p 04:43:18 doomrl always freezes on me anyways.. don't think it has great linux support. 04:44:15 unferth: there is a license issue -- but about any publicly available and redistributable sound is GPL-compatible so as long as you obey licenses of sound pieces you take, almost any can be included in Crawl proper 04:45:01 in doomrl I had problems with its non-existant Unicode support or messing terminal settings after you exit it... but sound worked right out of the box for me 04:46:07 note that DoomRL is legally non-distributable since Kornel took the sounds without a permission from id Software 04:46:52 isn't that especially iffy since he makes money off it? 04:53:11 I'm not one to blame Kornel for that -- heck, I consider copyright laws to be a crime against humanity. As Crawl stays legal, though, it's better to not breach that line for small gain. 05:00:06 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10.0 05:19:56 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:23:40 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:24:40 mentis updated 05:25:11 *mantis 05:44:30 -!- unferth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 05:44:49 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:51:38 MarvinPA: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=48552#p48552 05:54:06 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 05:55:11 barnex (L8 DDBe) (Sewer) 05:55:39 gee - what a load on CDO today 06:11:13 doesnt seem like many people are playing. 06:11:25 maybe webtiles? 06:11:34 good luck when the tourney comes :p 06:12:11 so, ragdoll, when are we going to see some preliminary survey results? :P 06:13:06 well i am(was) in the mindset that there would be zero interest in these results till august 06:13:25 but i want to knooooooow 06:14:40 you already have more replies than the 0.5 survey :) 06:15:01 or about as many, probably more by now, though 06:15:49 maybe you could put something up after a week or so? 06:15:51 http://crawl.develz.org/survey/upload/surveys/99834/images/fancy%20stats.pdf 06:15:58 there you go 06:15:58 oh, nice 06:18:57 the most interesting stuff are some of the correlations imo, but this is already very interesting :) 06:19:59 also, text answers :/ 06:20:13 yeah, this is just something very quick i whopped up 06:20:15 also, that font :< 06:20:23 haha, that font indeed 06:20:40 yeah i know, just autogenerated overview of the results. its great that this is so easy to do, btw. 06:22:41 silly question maybe, but its not a problem to release the results, right? 06:32:01 apparantly it is, the admin section may or may not have crashed after trying to export to pdf 06:33:10 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 06:39:22 I guess the results right now are probably biased a bit away from people playing online console, since they haven't been given a link to the survey yet? 06:41:08 23% online ascii 06:41:25 which means they are probably overrepresented 06:41:42 why do you say that? 06:41:54 look at the download numbers for local tiles builds 06:42:37 where do I see these numbers? 06:43:34 http://sourceforge.net/projects/crawl-ref/files/Stone%20Soup/ 06:43:55 mouseover the little graph at the end 06:44:10 kind of shitty, but might be configurable or something, i dont know much about sf.net 06:44:42 anyway, 47k downloads of 0.9.1 06:45:32 well, online players don't download anything... 06:46:03 yeah, but active user counts for cdo/cao should be obtainable, right? 06:46:24 sure, but just because someone downloaded it doesn't mean they are active 06:46:45 of course not, im not saying there are 50k people actively playing local tiles 06:47:05 looking at steam achievement stats is pretty interesting in that regard 06:47:22 some games give achievements for winning each major boss fight 06:47:31 there were 1064 players who played at least one game in february so far 06:47:31 and often not even 50% of people have the first of those 06:47:41 on the servers 06:47:52 wow, thats actually a lot more than i thought 06:48:09 !lg * v=0.9.1 x=cdist(name) 06:48:11 3184 games for * (v=0.9.1): cdist(name)=227 06:48:28 !lg * cv=0.9 x=cdist(name) 06:48:30 183876 games for * (cv=0.9): cdist(name)=4763 06:48:55 !lg * src=cao cv=0.9 s=v 06:48:59 66571 games for * (src=cao cv=0.9): 66571x 0.9.0 06:49:08 right 06:49:25 !lg * !tiles cv=0.9 x=cdist(name) 06:49:26 84843 games for * (!tiles cv=0.9): cdist(name)=2006 06:50:23 hm, id expect maybe 10% of the people who downloaded local tiles to play for more than 10 minutes or so (just a wild guess) 06:50:56 its a free game, a lot of people might download it and not even play it, or immediately decide they dont like it 06:50:57 !lg * !tiles ((cv=0.9||cv~~0.1.)) x=cdist(name) 06:51:09 173816 games for * (!tiles ((cv=0.9 || cv~~0.1.))): cdist(name)=2503 06:51:31 whats that? 06:51:44 alefury: yeah, I have no idea what the ratio actually is... that's what the survey is for :) 06:52:07 that last query was 0.9 or 0.10 trunk or 0.11 trunk, non-tiles only 06:52:46 just curious how many people only play trunk 06:54:43 the problem with surveys is usually the bias in who is taking the survey 06:55:05 yeah 06:55:17 for example if it wasnt announced on the title screen, most tiles players probably wouldnt even know about it, especially casual players and people who just tried the game for a while 06:55:35 and those are most likely already underrepresented 06:55:54 a severe bias towards people who actually like crawl is to be expected 06:56:25 at the moment the people taking the survey are the ones who check cdo regularly or follow a forum that linked to the 0.10 announcement 06:56:57 i think evaluating different brackets of data might be interesting 06:57:08 something like first week, first month, all 06:58:07 -!- Twinge has quit [] 06:58:13 im really looking forward to the final evaluation already, even if thats still many months away 06:59:25 page 21 of the very preliminary results is quite interesting 06:59:33 22 i mean 06:59:35 sort of interesting how low mouseclick is on the "preferred method of movement" given how many tiles-users there are 06:59:49 its about how far non-winners got 07:00:12 my preferred methods of movement are o, tab and G 07:00:17 also ^F 07:00:27 heh yeah 07:00:48 i prefer mouseclick in places where i actually have to move a lot by hand, for small corrections i like the numpad 07:01:04 on a german keyboard vi keys are not so great, z and y are swapped 07:01:30 alefury: anything you found particularly surprising on page 22? it looks about like what I would have expected, I think 07:01:33 im happy about mouse movement in abyss and labs 07:01:47 its a pretty even spread 07:02:22 especially among the early results i expected more long-time players 07:02:31 then again, i also found 50% winners to be quite a lot 07:02:38 well, long-time players aren't counted on page 22... 07:02:43 if they won, that is 07:02:53 yes, 50% winners is quite high 07:02:59 I'd assume that will go down 07:03:57 got the proper link to the proper survey? I only took the demo ones to help with testing 07:04:19 https://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/survey 07:08:16 oh! would it be worth linking to dpeg's roguelike radio episode on the site somewhere too? 07:08:20 in a blog entry maybe? 07:08:55 i would do it but i have no wordpress power :( 07:09:07 Average interview time: 14 min. 58 sec. 07:10:34 -!- tejing1 is now known as tejing 07:45:09 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:27 bestest character title: 08:23:29 !lg 08:23:29 8513. KiloByte the Walking Fertiliser (L27 DsFi), worshipper of Fedhas, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-02-17, with 1403308 points after 100513 turns and 7:25:27. 08:23:51 (Jiyva's is classy, too) 08:42:46 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:43:10 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:28 elliptic / kilobyte: could one of you post http://pastebin.com/RF6NvXUC as a blog thingy on cdo? 08:49:40 or anyone else who has blog-posting capabilities :P 09:51:18 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:03 kilobyte: chei has "Ticktocktomancer" 09:59:17 I sort of did a double-take at that 10:05:26 -!- greatzebu has quit [Quit: greatzebu] 10:08:26 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:10:07 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:38 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.26/20120128224517]] 10:51:52 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:07 -!- Ragdoll_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:20 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:04:54 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:53 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:26 !messages 11:17:26 (1/1) kilobyte said (7h 50m 15s ago): there are reports that all Mac builds crash on startup 11:18:41 !tell kilobyte any details on mac startup crashes? I can't reproduce, but it may be an os version problem 11:18:42 greatzebu: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 11:19:27 greatzebu: "Tried the console version, it crashes too. I get the message: sqlite3.c:15631: failed assertion `p->id==SQLITE_MUTEX_RECURSIVE || pthreadMutexNotheld(p)’" 11:19:56 oh, and that was OS 10.6.8 apparently 11:20:09 ok, thanks elliptic 11:20:32 I don't know if there are other reports elsewhere, but that's from the comments at http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/crawl-0-10-octopus 11:21:26 -!- Felyza___ is now known as Felyza 11:21:32 yeah, I see it now 11:25:35 -!- petete has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00:23 greatzebu: do you have a system that can reproduce that crash? 12:00:23 kilobyte: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:01:36 I don't know whether it's about sqlite having locking problems in contested mutex case, or problems with the locking model at all 12:02:37 if the former, there is a lame but safe fix by serializing stuff in database.cc:databaseSystemInit() 13:04:22 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20110929064733]] 13:06:26 kilobyte: I haven't been able to reproduce it yet, but I'll have time to poke at it some more this weekend 13:08:53 if you could, using the DGL #ifdef would implement that 13:20:09 ok, thanks 13:34:10 Impossible to convert 0.9 saves to 0.10; crash at the attempt (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5329) by MyOtheHedgeFox 13:35:42 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:06 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:53 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:59 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:11 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:59:11 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 14:00:37 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:28 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:35 -!- petete has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:12:23 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:29 -!- PoopBridge has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:32 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:14 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:22 -!- ogsus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:24 -!- bb|kek has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:32 -!- bb|kek has quit [Client Quit] 14:53:53 -!- bb|kek has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:09 -!- bb|kek has quit [Client Quit] 14:56:27 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:08 -!- Ragdoll_ is now known as Ragdoll 15:29:17 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ragdoll] 15:40:59 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:16 -!- alefury has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:49:26 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:04 Congratulations to release! Thanks for survey link. The survey should produce interesting results, already looks good even now. 15:50:33 Came here to say that running until 0.11 tournament was the plan. I hope to announce the survey in places where ex-crawlers may be found. 15:56:22 everyone busy playing? :) 15:58:07 dpeg: you could announce in ##crawl-dev, I guess 15:58:14 quite a few of us don't play Crawl, but like to discuss development 16:01:18 ais523: you really mean ##crawl-dev?? 16:02:41 dpeg: yes; I was thinking of me, I haven't played Crawl in ages, but I used to 16:03:03 I meant roguelike forums not related to Crawl... they might have ex-Crawl players and it'd be definitely interesting to hear from them 16:03:29 the preliminary survey results are pretty interesting. of course, they'll be different by the time the survey finishes. comparing it with the 2009 survey shows that crawl still has a lot of new players, and the playerbase has actually gotten younger slightly 16:03:52 looks like there's a big jump in 0.8, I guess that's when webtiles was released 16:04:12 evilmike: yes, will be great to compare 16:04:14 survey? 16:04:50 I noted that the survey is not mentioned on the CDO frontpage yet... but nappy is busy as is, so I'll pester him (much) later on this. 16:05:09 it's mentioned in the 0.10 release post 16:05:12 dpeg: you could announce it in #nethack, and in RGRN 16:05:13 rawrmage: yes, new edition. It is much, much better than last time... which was essentially improvised (like seemingly everything I do). 16:05:18 ais523: yes, will come 16:05:22 and the equivalents for other major roguelikes 16:05:42 hmm, what would be /really/ nice would be all the major roguelikes getting together and doing a survey between them 16:06:10 ais523: sure. Perhaps the infrastructure set up by the DCSS 2012 survey can be used for that. I'd be happy about it. 16:06:41 also, fun fact: the 2012 survey already has more responses than the 2009 one 16:08:01 * dpeg realised I haven't looked at the usage graphs in a while... 16:08:10 so where /is/ this survey, anyway? 16:08:28 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/survey 16:09:03 let's see where the Feb 2012 peak will land at (crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/per-day.html) 16:11:25 ais523: does NH have something similar to this curve? 16:12:42 dpeg: I think so, looking for it now 16:13:03 http://alt.org/nethack/perday.html 16:13:54 that's not a graph :( paxed should make pretty graphs like that 16:14:05 I think they have one, I remember looking at it recently 16:14:09 it's not as pretty as the cao one though 16:14:22 ais523: don't show that to kerio lest you give him ideas 16:14:37 (cao graphs) :P 16:16:22 regarding what to expect from the 0.10 tournament, it's hard to say. There are a few absurdly active players I know of who dont seem interested in playing, and they always account for a substantial chunk of the total wins 16:16:56 evilmike: who are they? 16:17:11 also, will they *stop* playing for the tournament weeks, just to make a point? 16:17:25 ais523: yes, I am aware of the numbers... but no graph :( 16:17:30 they're just not very active any more, or don't have the time 16:17:43 this isn't some dumb "protest" thing, some people just can't play for their own reasons 16:17:49 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:09 evilmike: not sure who you mean precisely, but it can't be that substantial a chunk 16:18:15 !lg * t11 won s=name 16:18:16 232 games for * (t11 won): 15x theglow, 11x mikee, 10x jeanjacques, 7x 78291, 6x ophanim, 6x IonFrigate, 6x elliptic, 6x reid, 4x R18, 4x evilmike, 4x Elynae, 4x clouded, 4x LexAckson, 3x MarvinPA, 3x Alg, 3x jle, 3x magistern, 3x Grandpa, 3x taxon, 2x ventricule, 2x Demos, 2x Cruella, 2x hipsterscumbag, 2x Palyth, 2x paplaukes, 2x Ret, 2x oxeimon, 2x Hambone, 2x Yunor, 2x ggeezz, 2x aleksiL, 2x s... 16:18:41 OK, survey filled in, let's see how much I distort the statistics ;) 16:18:46 even theglow and mikee together only made a bit over 10% of the wins last tourney 16:18:59 that's still insane :P 16:19:30 I dont think either of them will be very active (haven't spoken to mikee for a few weeks, but I know theglow is too busy) 16:19:49 there were also some people who didn't play much or at all last tourney and might play more this tourney 16:19:54 myself included :) 16:19:56 good point 16:20:10 ionfrigate also won't be playing (he really hates 0.10 for some reason) 16:20:36 completely normal for players to go (and sometimes to come back later) 16:20:43 there are also some ridiculously active players right now who aren't on that list at all 16:20:48 however, I'd expect tournaments to draw rather than repel veterans :) 16:21:19 at least I played NH devnull for a few years while not touching NH in between at all 16:21:33 !lg * won rstart>=20120001 s=name 16:21:34 291 games for * (won rstart>=20120001): 21x crate, 17x pivotal, 15x jeanjacques, 7x Croases, 7x magistern, 7x hyperminmay, 5x hyperbolic, 5x Bart, 5x eeviac, 5x afterglow, 4x Elynae, 4x Surr, 3x DChan, 3x evilmike, 3x Palyth, 3x minmay, 3x Sphara, 3x Frobop, 3x Impy, 3x KidC, 3x Zwobot, 3x 78291, 3x Poncheis, 3x ktgrey, 3x hyperelynae, 3x sh, 3x Medar, 2x Glenstorm, 2x nago, 2x Torious, 2x Sky, 2x... 16:21:44 dpeg: right, I've been known to try Crawl again a bit during tournaments, and then stop again when I remember why I don't like it :) 16:22:13 I didn't know pivotal had so many wins. good thing I got him on my team 16:22:17 haha 16:23:28 no eye cancer 16:23:40 so many hypers in there.... long live negative curvature 16:24:21 when I named my "random combos" account hyperelliptic, I really didn't expect people to adopt it like this... 16:24:48 it's a fun conduct for people who like that sort of challenge, and having an alt account for it makes a lot of sense 16:25:27 I think you were the first well known person to actually make an account for that, so it just stuck 16:27:51 * dpeg prays for rune lock support from the tournament. 16:28:10 dpeg: oh, you saw the tso banner? 16:28:30 of course! 16:28:38 what an ingenious trick by elliptic 16:29:01 elliptic: you never replied to my email on the last level of the banner, btw 16:31:49 dpeg: oh, sorry, I lost track of that e-mail... last couple of weeks have been pretty busy for me 16:32:01 no biggie 16:32:07 too bad the DS mutation that allows you to enter Pan at will is gone 16:32:17 can't get Kiku banner and TSO banner in the same game 16:32:18 jarpiain: Good evening! 16:32:36 dpeg: the last level is 4 runes rather than 3 runes because that's the maximum you can get without needing special luck finding a hell entrance vault 16:32:36 dpeg: hi! 16:32:38 I forgot "banish to pandemonium" existed 16:32:43 though, I remember the card effect now 16:32:52 jarpiain: actually you can, if you get a vault with a hell entrance on D:12 or D:13 16:32:54 elliptic: You're asking for four runes pr D:14 and I wondered whether that is so that neither J nor L are simple solutions. 16:33:02 ok 16:33:30 dpeg: yeah, pretty much 16:35:18 n78291 went and did the 4-rune version of the challenge immediately upon hearing of it, which was nice for testing the tourney scripts :) 16:36:45 great to see zipcode around... I'll never forgot when he did Jiyva 16:37:05 if there'll be more Crawl talk on the roguelike radio I'd definitely mention that, a most uplifting experience 16:39:15 I thought none of those guys play crawl? 16:39:19 speaking of which! 16:39:26 I remember hearing that's why they never did an episode devoted to crawl 16:39:36 someone should post about roguelike radio on the cdo blog 16:39:40 evilmike: n78291 was the early dominating CAO player 16:40:00 dpeg: meant the roguelike radio guys 16:40:05 evilmike: ah, those... yes I wondered about why Crawl's not there 16:40:31 and I've only been asked (I guess) because Jeff knows me personally and Keith really likes what I've done 16:40:39 i posted up a thing for it earlier somewhere 16:40:44 but don't have wordpress access 16:40:57 MarvinPA: yeah, someone should post it. I dont have access either though 16:41:08 oh yeah, also, I'll add that to the "press" wiki page 16:41:38 I won't advertise myself. Also, you can do me a favour by using "dpeg" instead of "David Ploog" 16:43:15 ah, sure 16:43:56 thanks 16:48:29 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:16 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:54:25 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:55 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:06:40 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:08:11 -!- alefury has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:10:02 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:40 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:23:08 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:14 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:23:14 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 17:35:57 thanks, evilmike - i would have forgotten to add it there 17:56:36 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:59:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:59:16 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 18:00:27 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:35 -!- greatzebu has quit [Quit: greatzebu] 18:07:50 -!- ixtli has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:16:28 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 18:51:59 MarvinPA: I published the bit about dpeg's interview 18:52:09 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:55:16 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 18:57:07 -!- unferth has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:30 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: gn8] 19:10:59 galehar: the url thingy didnt work 19:11:23 in wordpress i mean 19:12:08 also, the links on the news post are still broken if you click them from http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/category/news 19:12:25 I suspect the full url isn't being used in the news post 19:13:05 (they work fine if you click them from http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/crawl-0-10-octopus) 19:16:53 fixed 19:18:04 thanks 19:46:55 -!- alefury has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:03 galehar: thanks! 19:53:33 -!- evilmike_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:33 -!- Noeda has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:43 -!- gustaf_arg has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:49 -!- tejing1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:03:06 -!- evilmike has quit [*.net *.split] 20:03:06 -!- ghallberg has quit [*.net *.split] 20:03:07 -!- stabwound has quit [*.net *.split] 20:03:07 -!- Adeon has quit [*.net *.split] 20:03:45 -!- tejing has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:04:56 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:59 -!- medgno has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:04 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:13:06 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:21:46 -!- Wensley_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:34:39 -!- evilmike_ is now known as evilmike 20:37:46 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:50 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:55:35 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 20:56:12 -!- Noeda is now known as Adeon 20:57:20 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:20 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:17:22 -!- medgno has quit [Quit: Quitting] 21:26:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:39:31 -!- unferth has quit [Quit: instant coffee potatoes] 21:42:57 Step from time (chei power) in the abyss is extremely slow (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5330) by evilmike 21:52:55 -!- greatzebu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53:06 Inconsistent Colors on memorization percentages (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5331) by XuaXua 22:04:14 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:04 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:08 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:34:16 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:40:58 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:43:36 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 22:45:10 profreshinal (L27 MuWr) ASSERT(feat_is_solid(feat)) in 'beam.cc' at line 1114 failed. 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