00:02:34 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:49 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:13:34 -!- jeanjacques has quit [] 00:15:09 -!- SamB_XP_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:26 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:05 -!- SamB_XP has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:18:30 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:22:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:13 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:05 MP not regen when putting on randart amulet of guardian spirit (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5318) by cosmonaut 00:56:16 -!- greatzebu has quit [Quit: greatzebu] 01:01:20 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:13:43 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:13:49 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:22:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:57 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:52 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:52:13 -!- casmith789 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:52:19 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:55:10 !tell greatzebu meow! 02:55:11 kilobyte: OK, I'll let greatzebu know. 02:55:30 need a cork opener^W^W^WMac builds for 0.10 03:01:31 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:02:32 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:00 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:06:43 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:07:40 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:08 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:24:43 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:37:39 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:56 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:59:06 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 04:08:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:08:35 -!- Xiberia has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.1/20120208060813]] 04:15:27 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 04:19:48 -!- tejing1 is now known as tejing 04:44:51 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:00:06 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-187-g4d402a8 05:51:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:08:08 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:15 kilobyte: any chance to still fix the question mark tiles bug before release? 06:29:38 people are saying its not fixed 06:29:49 sorry, no time machine :( 06:30:55 i dont see a tag :P 06:31:18 can't check it right now (tiles don't work on both displays I have here)... at least scrolls worked for me, though 06:31:29 alefury: CIA is broken 06:32:06 mhh, i was looking at master, 0.10 branch is tagged 06:32:21 that makes sense 06:32:22 SF has 0.10.0, waiting for Mac builds before the announcement 06:32:38 so when will be the new release? 06:33:00 probably just enable the survey now 06:33:15 0.10.1? When the new set of crash reports comes :p 06:36:06 i guess noone besides the people here know the survey link anyway 06:37:00 it is displayed very prominently on 0.10 06:37:07 too prominently IMO 06:37:54 i assume the link redirects to wordpress/survey? 06:37:57 yep 06:37:59 DGL doesn't show the menu screen, though... but that's in Napkin's land 06:38:15 what's up? 06:38:17 also, i am curious how and where the link is then 06:38:36 ohoh, release already? 06:38:45 survey release 06:38:47 :P 06:39:17 anyway, it's up, go hog wild 06:40:35 the "unbreachable" deadline was declared yesterday, I tried to fix some final crashes but got terribly busy, then a short nap ended with a crash too :p 06:40:46 Ragdoll: hmm, is the survey ok? 06:41:26 because 0.10 has the link in bright green eye-gouging letters 06:41:36 it is as far as i know. you make it sound like it isnt 06:42:46 and if it doesnt happen to be ok, edits can be made 06:42:46 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:50:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:01 i can just fill it out now, but the testing survey was pretty okay, and the current one supposedly only has minor edits 07:09:29 hm, autofight improvements isnt in the changelog. oh well, too late now. 07:15:26 so, survey answers submitted 07:15:30 did it work? 07:17:26 didnt notice anything weird btw 07:20:26 got to get someone who can write worth shit to write the release post, before greatzebu awakens 07:21:02 MarvinPA:? 07:24:46 hmm, i could give it a shot, what needs to be in the post? summary of the big changes, reminder about the tournament, some webtiles stuff? 07:26:04 some estimate for when 0.10 webtiles is going to happen would be nice, if napkin can provide one 07:28:18 i probably won't manage until weekend 07:28:38 so "probably ready in time for the tournament" 07:29:01 monday i have a regional holiday, so i would like to get it done by monday afternoon 07:29:07 when is the tourney starting? 07:29:14 25th 07:29:30 which is next week's saturday i think? 07:29:48 ok. i'm on a long weekend in poland 24-27 07:30:03 oh, where? 07:30:24 warsaw again - unless we visit parents in kielce - which i doubt ;) 07:30:58 so, when i finish upgrading dgl and webtiles on monday, we need as many as possible to test 07:31:27 in what area do you live again, kilobyte? 07:31:30 far far away :( 07:31:52 i recall writing one previously, i can't recall whether that was the one we used 07:32:21 a Nowheretown in the bonnies near GdaÅ„sk 07:33:07 Eronarn: for 0.9? your summary of changes is the one in the news post for that, yeah 07:33:30 ah 07:33:52 if it was good enough last time i can try again this time if someone points me at the changelog 07:34:18 http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/blobs/master/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt 07:34:20 that'd be great, yeah 07:34:20 ../docs/changelog.txt 07:34:22 we'll visit the sea one day in the future too, for sure. i'll give you a ping then, kilobyte :) 07:34:52 BTW, why do you visit Poland so often? 07:37:38 I happen to have relatives in Köln, but haven't been there in like 15 years 07:39:59 my fiancée lives there at the moment, kilobyte 07:41:46 is she a Polack? 07:44:10 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:18 yes, kilobyte 07:50:48 'Makhleb's powers use Health instead of Magic.' 07:50:53 does he still use invo? because invo gives +MP... 07:50:56 that's kind of weird if so 07:51:57 he's the most invokey god among them all 07:52:07 although you do have a point 07:53:09 i'd say to just discard it giving MP, but that might adversely affect some non-casting chars 07:54:42 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:53 -!- giann has quit [Client Quit] 07:56:11 -!- Ragdoll_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:57:13 jeez, this is a long changelog 07:57:22 best crawl ever! :) 07:57:34 alefury: until 0.11! 07:57:43 lava orcs :) 07:57:49 mhh, best crawl yet is probably more accurate 07:58:20 * The Crusade card can no longer give you permanent allies. 07:58:25 does this mean i can steal permaallies for zin yet ;) 07:58:55 we didn't agree on a codename, so I picked your suggestion, "Save the Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus" 07:59:07 awesome 07:59:13 of course it doesn't have to stay on the post (like the past two releases) 07:59:26 heh 08:00:06 like anyone ever reads tag messages 08:00:56 '* Scroll of magic mapping detects secret doors.' 08:00:57 cool 08:02:42 erm, that's nethackish 08:04:57 I'd drop all the nonsense and complexity about it not detecting stuff behind those doors, but that'd go against the campaign of luring dpeg back 08:05:20 :/ 08:06:09 i seem to have left my irc on at work. anyway, were there any comments about the survey? 08:06:12 well, it basically is nonsense. they map disconnected areas, but not those behind secret doors? 08:06:42 i think having it detect but not map past secret doors actually works pretty well for the vaults that utilise secret doors properly 08:06:44 Ragdoll_: i filled it out and submitted, did it work? everything seemed fine to me. 08:06:49 which is like... tar:7 and nothing else i think :P 08:07:10 have we thought about replacing all secret doors with doors with costs? 08:07:20 secret doors are in d&d AND nethack and you still have them? :) 08:07:21 like... the ET map could be 'Donation: 10 gold.' 08:07:25 and dropping T&D outright? 08:07:37 kilobyte: T&D could provide discounts / bypass chance 08:07:43 i find them actually quite tedious in both nethack and crawl 08:07:55 alefury: 2 people have filled in the survey already, woo 08:07:56 costs could be things like 'will make a lot of noise if you open it', 'is attached to some unseen mechanism' (spawn monsters, shaft under your feet...) 08:08:00 in crawl they are slightly less bad, but only because i mostly ignore them 08:08:07 OR T&D could be dropped outright. there is dpegs trap overhaul proposal, i didnt really read that, though. 08:08:21 i think dropping t&d isn't a bad idea, dpeg even started on some ideas for overhauling traps (removing most of the boring ones) 08:08:30 oh that reminds me 08:08:33 but doorokhloe 08:08:35 that got us cloud traps... 08:08:45 if we do the ranged reform i was talking about we can keep the boring traps but remove the ammo part :) 08:08:45 did they get fixed btw? no more double damage on first turn? 08:08:47 secret doors could just go and then the remaining traps could do more interesting things and be detectable with dex or something 08:09:25 another possibility would be to merge it with Stealth 08:09:32 for a more general 'dungeoneering' skill 08:11:04 did the new sprint map make it in? i don't see it in the changelog 08:11:26 in my unfinished plan for spriggan assassins, detecting them was meant to be based on T&D skill + Stealth aptitude (rather than skill). The latter sounds weird, but when I tried to come up with a table of racial awareness modifiers, ended up with it being identical to Stealth apts. 08:12:03 kilobyte: centaurs would seem to be the exception 08:12:08 Eronarn: do you mean st's new map? i think that's still wip 08:12:14 ah, okay 08:12:34 no new sprints 08:13:04 centaurs don't strike me as especially sharp-eyed 08:14:23 is the 'all arthropods are pois vulnerable' a .10 thing 08:14:31 kilobyte: no, but they should be human-level. they have awful stealth apt 08:15:49 Eronarn: I believe 0.9 or 0.8 08:16:01 Eronarn: monster arthropods, that is 08:16:11 spider form was an exception until 0.10 08:17:03 -!- Keskitalo has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:17:42 probably like 50% done 08:29:49 the centaur thing is ambiguous... do they just get a bonus to eating plants, or a meat penalty? 08:30:20 both 08:30:42 and they still have fastmeta, just not as bad as before 08:30:53 remnants of the food reform :) 08:31:28 with herbi being nastier than it was, centaurs are at a slight net loss in living branches 08:33:29 'Kenku have rediscovered their roots and now prefer to be called Tengu.' 08:33:42 do you get TC by eating them? 08:34:14 cbus: never heard of teleport control in Japanese myths :p 08:35:01 kilobyte, nethack ;D 08:35:59 cbus: I don't think a single person here failed to get your joke 08:36:47 naaa, who knows? :) 08:37:22 Eronarn: just blame spelling nazis and everybody will understand 08:43:01 Te makes more words than Ke (although Ke was pretty good). Who could dislike this? 08:43:22 once alchemists are in - teal! 08:43:56 stalkers are test, though 08:44:54 also, i think teen is unwon? or recently was? 08:44:59 !lg * won char=teen 08:44:59 No games for * (won char=teen). 08:54:31 does zin piety decrease when waiting, or just no longer increase 08:55:40 decrease 08:56:04 you're sitting on your bum instead of preaching Zin's drivel to the sane^Wunbelievers 09:05:16 did the nemelex piety change stuff make it in? 09:09:34 there was a change where you can't reduce your gift timeout by just waiting, if that's what you mean 09:10:07 oh, i thought it was bigger than that 09:11:16 the length of the timeout was reduced a bit, but you can only make it count down by actually sacrificing things or using cards now 09:11:28 i think that's all that changed 09:12:13 also there was some mess with corpse values 09:12:37 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:31 what do paladins do 09:13:41 heck, what do any of the holies do 09:13:56 i don't think paladins do anything at the moment 09:16:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:16:01 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 09:17:43 ophans surround you with holy flames and shoot bolts of fire at you, cherubs are As with slings and holy+flaming weapons (i think) 09:18:04 oh, ophans are in? they weren't in the changelog 09:18:22 yeah 09:18:28 i think they were in 0.9, maybe? 09:18:30 not sure 09:18:45 theyve definitely been around for a while, not sure if they were in 0.9 09:19:07 silver stars have a beam of light and a silver anti-chaos explosion 09:19:12 0.9 changelog doesnt mention them at least 09:19:25 which i think removes mutations and deals damage to chaotic stuff 09:20:16 shedu have their reviving-each-other thing, phoenixes revive themselves 09:20:20 Error calling monster-trunk: 09:20:20 %?? paladin 09:20:23 @??paladin 09:20:24 paladin (16@) | Speed: 10 | HD: 10 | Health: 48-82 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Damage: 26 | Flags: 08holy, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40), 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 814. 09:20:36 mm, i guess paladins are just plain melee dudes 09:21:27 should they really have rot resistance? i didn't think tso gave that 09:22:13 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:58 hm, probably not 09:24:07 @??seraph 09:24:08 seraph (13A) | Speed: 10 | HD: 25 | Health: 185-236 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Damage: 15, 8 | Flags: 08holy, see invisible, fly, 07vault | Res: 06magic(96), 05fire, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 7468. 09:24:50 Error calling monster-trunk: 09:24:50 %??seraph 09:26:46 @??cherub 09:26:47 cherub (12A) | Speed: 10 | HD: 9 | Health: 63-92 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Damage: 15, 8 | Flags: 08holy, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(96), 05fire, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 752. 09:26:55 @??angel 09:26:56 angel (16A) | Speed: 15 | HD: 12 | Health: 84-119 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Damage: 25, 10 | Flags: 08holy, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(128), 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 2087 | Sp: minor healing. 09:27:05 @??daeva 09:27:05 daeva (08A) | Speed: 10 | HD: 14 | Health: 100-137 | AC/EV: 10/13 | Damage: 25, 10 | Flags: 08holy, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(149), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 2887 | Sp: smiting (7-17). 09:29:45 @??blizzard demon 09:29:46 blizzard demon (122) | Speed: 11 | HD: 12 | Health: 49-86 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Damage: 20, 20 | Flags: 05demonic, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(144), 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 1462 | Sp: b.lightning (3d18), freezing cloud (2d22), airstrike (0-34), b.cold (3d21). 09:41:06 ok, who wants to proofread? 09:41:55 sure 09:42:21 sure 09:43:23 http://pastebin.com/QZHCsWvD 09:43:31 mostly looking for stuff that should be flat out removed, or that i got wrong 09:43:43 i'd want to do another pass to rewrite it after that 09:45:01 so we should just view this as a basic list of important changes to be mentioned? 09:45:42 Octopodes, along with other suitably squirmy creatures (nagas, *octopodes*, some snakes, tentacled monstrosities) 09:47:02 the one about removing potions and wands of healing is too misleading 09:47:35 TSO has no explanation why he likes spotting stuff 09:47:54 hm, i wouldn't call guardian spirit's effect "less drastic" 09:48:02 the healing thing doesn't work, yeah... people will be confused and think that only DD gets these items now 09:49:09 * kilobyte casts Summon Greatzebu. 09:49:44 Elyvilon changes should mention the changes to weapon sacrifices too 09:50:20 (identification of evil weapons as such on sight, after reaching *** only evil weapons give piety when destroyed 09:50:33 also, your fallen allies dont need forgiveness, you do, for letting them fall 09:51:24 I think there are other important nemelex deck changes, but MarvinPA would know more about that 09:52:12 destruction had some tweaks, yeah 09:52:14 when you mention the abjuration changes, you should also probably mention that many monsters summon fewer monsters at a time 09:52:19 looks like that's not mentioned in the changelog, oops 09:52:24 -!- edlothiol has left ##crawl-dev 09:52:31 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:36 super-reapers should probably be mentioned? 09:52:52 the spell changes should mention swiftfly no longer giving an extra movement speed bonus 09:53:13 !lg * ikiller=reaper / cv=~0.10 09:53:14 146 games for * (ikiller=reaper): N=14/146 (9.59%) 09:53:18 alefury: +1 09:53:27 hm, they dont seem to really get more kills, though 09:53:30 also, is that actually true about shatter, or just about LRD? I don't remember whether anyone got around to doing things with shatter 09:53:32 !lg * ikiller=reaper / cv=~0.9 09:53:32 146 games for * (ikiller=reaper): N=7/146 (4.79%) 09:53:40 or well, seems like they do 09:54:00 elliptic: its true 09:54:14 alefury: uhm, 0.9 had a crapload more games than 0.10 09:54:16 !lg * cv=~0.10 xl>=15 / killer=reaper 09:54:21 !lg * cv=~0.9 xl>=15 / killer=reaper 09:54:36 http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/c4fdcdf81337 09:54:45 looks like it! 09:54:45 2204 games for * (cv=~0.10 xl>=15): N=19/2204 (0.86%) 09:54:45 5437 games for * (cv=~0.9 xl>=15): N=5/5437 (0.09%) 09:54:54 nice 09:55:24 also, why did i write ikiller? 09:55:27 definitely worth noting 09:55:35 oh, I didn't realize that that commit did stuff with shatter + regular walls too 09:55:37 i think i meant ckiller 09:55:46 also: what i'm going for is basically like 'annotated changelist' 09:55:55 because it just said "Shatter+permarock abuse" 09:55:57 that will be very long 09:56:02 i don't want to mention everything, but i do want to mention stuff that will actually affect gameplay 09:56:20 i cut out the ely weapon thing because it doesn't seem to actually be a big deal 09:56:32 yeah, definitely doesn't need to be anywhere near complete 09:56:47 just major/interesting stuff 09:56:52 eronarn: it affects gameplay rather a lot compared with a lot of stuff in there 09:57:02 elliptic: well, maybe some of the other stuff should be cut? :P 09:57:12 possibly :P 09:57:18 i feel like it's already too long 09:57:20 yeah, probably way too long 09:57:40 I think a lot of these things don't really need descriptions of what they are 09:57:44 cherubs arent common foot soldiers btw, they sing hymns that boost the power of surrounding holies iirc 09:57:46 like, the new monsters... can just list names 09:57:56 i mean, in crawl. and yeah, probably just list names there. 09:58:01 if people run into one in game, they can look at the in-game description 09:58:20 then die 09:58:23 yeah, i haven't played with holies at all, so i knew that section would need revision 09:58:42 reapers are really the most noticeable monster change imo 09:59:05 reaching scythes + i think 40 damage makes them incredibly dangerous compared to what they were before 09:59:32 40 damage or whatever + scythe damage + scythe brand on top of reaching, yes 09:59:44 ending close to 1% of >xl 15 games is pretty crazy actually 09:59:48 <3 distortion reaper 10:00:19 i mean, its not like theyre frequent monsters 10:01:18 they are pretty frequent in extended endgame (and even from killing guardian mummies in crypt and such) 10:01:25 alefury: if you have decent AC, they're the #1 demon in absolute damage 10:01:40 i know. and they have reaching. 10:01:59 most of > xl 15 games dont see extended, though 10:02:12 nikola gets more kills, though, so all is well 10:02:18 !lg * cv=~0.10 killer=reaper s=urune 10:02:19 33 games for * (cv=~0.10 killer=reaper): 19x 0, 5x 3, 3x 4, 2x 2, 2x 5, 14, 12 10:02:32 !lg * cv=~0.10 xl>=15 killer=reaper s=urune 10:02:33 19 games for * (cv=~0.10 xl>=15 killer=reaper): 5x 0, 5x 3, 3x 4, 2x 2, 2x 5, 14, 12 10:02:42 !lg * cv=~0.10 xl>=15 killer=reaper s=place 10:02:42 19 games for * (cv=~0.10 xl>=15 killer=reaper): 2x Zot:5, 2x Dis:7, 2x Tomb:2, Tomb:3, D:16, Tar:5, Coc:5, WizLab, D:17, D:15, D:19, Tomb:1, Hell, Tar:7, Dis:2, D:26 10:03:06 I wonder where the mid-D ones are coming from, hm 10:03:16 !lg * cv=~0.10 xl>=15 killer=reaper s=ikiller,place 10:03:16 19 games for * (cv=~0.10 xl>=15 killer=reaper): 10x a reaper (2x Dis:7, D:26, D:16, D:19, D:15, Coc:5, Hell, Tar:5, WizLab), 4x an indirect mummy death curse (2x Tomb:2, Tomb:1, Tomb:3), 2x the effects of Hell (Dis:2, Tar:7), 2x an ancient lich (2x Zot:5), the malice of Kikubaaqudgha (D:17) 10:03:47 apparently from reapers 10:03:52 yes 10:04:03 didnt know they spawn in D o.O 10:04:20 !lg * cv=~0.10 xl>=15 killer=reaper place=D s=map 10:04:21 5 games for * (cv=~0.10 xl>=15 killer=reaper place=D): 3x evilmike negative zone, hell entry, 10:04:23 probably back from when they were popcorn 10:04:30 evilmike is to blame, as usual 10:04:34 heh 10:04:42 that's a good vault name 10:04:43 (that's a pretty nasty vault) 10:04:47 which is it? 10:05:04 kiku 10:05:18 ahh right 10:05:21 don't think i've seen that one 10:06:10 the other ones that i've seen are all pretty awesome though, i think i had sif and veh recently 10:06:42 ive seen at least one undead altar vault, not sure if theres more than one. i think it may have had yred and kiku? 10:06:52 maybe im confusing that with some crypt end or something... 10:07:22 i did love the deeper god vaults ive seen, though. very cool stuff. 10:08:41 here's my draft of the rest of a post, also: http://pastebin.com/pcTmYtLT 10:09:22 i've sort of lost track of which of all the new webtiles features are implemented for 0.10, definitely want to give those a mention though 10:10:06 oh, placeholder codename too, i wrote that before i saw kilobyte's message earlier :P 10:10:28 it seems a bit long 10:10:33 the codename i mean 10:13:57 what codename? 10:14:09 save the west pacific tree octopus 10:14:33 or something like that 10:14:40 http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/ 10:16:54 MarvinPA: for the tourney reminder, id just the actual date instead of "very soon" 10:17:01 s/just/use 10:17:06 http://pastebin.com/G3ZQCfFg 10:17:27 think i got everything that people suggested 10:18:01 except the monster thing... do we want to just list names rather than describe? 10:20:08 maybe describe the more common ones? 10:20:18 most of the new holies are only in zigs and one pan level 10:20:31 i think blizzard demons are the only common one 10:20:38 profane servitors are like... one vault, abyss 10:20:41 servitors with yred 10:21:02 nobody plays yred ;P 10:21:46 !lg * cv=~0.10 god!=no_god / god=~yred 10:22:01 78886 games for * (cv=~0.10 god!=no god): N=1389/78886 (1.76%) 10:22:12 i think its not no_god :/ 10:22:20 !lg * s=god 10:22:26 1465852 games for *: 1025258x , 102495x Trog, 46463x Okawaru, 38672x Makhleb, 34506x Sif Muna, 31963x Xom, 26953x The Shining One, 25626x Vehumet, 24508x Lugonu, 22259x Yredelemnul, 16559x Beogh, 15931x Kikubaaqudgha, 14112x Elyvilon, 13819x Nemelex Xobeh, 10427x Zin, 6306x Cheibriados, 6136x Ashenzari, 3037x Fedhas, 750x Jiyva, 72x Feawn 10:23:08 !lg * cv=~0.10 god!= / god=~yred 10:23:16 28271 games for * (cv=~0.10 god!=): N=1389/28271 (4.91%) 10:23:29 note that these stats don't mean much because of starting gods, though 10:23:31 wow, that actually worked. incredible 10:23:53 !lg * cv=~0.10 xl>=10 god!= / god=~yred 10:23:56 7909 games for * (cv=~0.10 xl>=10 god!=): N=156/7909 (1.97%) 10:24:13 okay, nobody plays yred 10:24:16 !lg * cv=~0.10 xl>=10 s=god 10:24:17 8147 games for * (cv=~0.10 xl>=10): 1216x Trog, 1126x Okawaru, 1093x Sif Muna, 1084x Vehumet, 737x Kikubaaqudgha, 484x Nemelex Xobeh, 458x Makhleb, 340x Ashenzari, 293x Cheibriados, 238x , 179x The Shining One, 169x Lugonu, 156x Yredelemnul, 142x Fedhas, 125x Xom, 121x Elyvilon, 90x Beogh, 67x Zin, 29x Jiyva 10:24:34 fewer people play some other gods though 10:25:28 im not sure most of the new holies even should be mentioned 10:25:33 wow, zin beat someone 10:25:35 that's crazy 10:26:04 jiyva has a handicap :P 10:26:14 theyre in the full changelog, and they usually dont impact gameplay (although the holy vault is guaranteed if you stay in pan long enough, so will come up quite a bit) 10:27:55 i gotta do other stuff soon, btw, so someone else might need to finish it up 10:27:58 the seraph is just a vault monster, probably shouldn't be mentioned under new monsters 10:28:48 i'll remove all the holies for now 10:29:33 ophans and shedu are in some vaults 10:30:45 "several new holy monsters" 10:34:40 http://pastebin.com/bNH80X7L okay, last version from me - the * ones need redoing; the intended formatting is an ul (with gods getting a second ul), and there's a link that should be put there to the MD removal explanation post 10:35:28 i set the expiry to 1h because that's what i default to, so someone might want to copy it :P 10:35:52 cool, thanks 10:49:18 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:57 http://pastebin.com/xcfpwmau any ideas on stuff to cut to shorten it down a bit, maybe? 11:02:55 -!- tejing1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:56 -!- ais523 has quit [] 11:03:07 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:59 the main webtiles changes (visible to players) are: monster list, menu improvements, and webtiles games can be watched from ssh 11:06:15 -!- tejing has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:06:22 cool, thanks 11:06:25 mention no more victory dancing, the current line about skills can be easily misread like this is in addition to victory dancing for the first level 11:06:30 it was watching webtiles from ssh that i wasn't 100% sure on 11:06:33 will add those 11:07:30 artefacts should go with items, maybe even removed 11:08:15 ely section is wrong 11:08:29 evil weapons still give piety above ***, just regular ones dont 11:08:43 hm yeah, maybe move it to the items section and cut it down to "lots of new artefacts" or something? there are quite a few new ones, feels worth a mention 11:08:50 if we link webtiles in the release announcement, we should at least mention that 0.10 isn't actually installed yet (but hopefully will be soon) 11:09:04 nemelex changes are probably not worthy of inclusion 11:10:10 edlothiol: N said he's trying to get it to work by monday evening 11:10:11 hm, maybe the good god piety stuff could be condensed into "all good gods have piety decay and a new method of gaining piety: zin (gold) ely (pacification) tso (seeing dudes)" 11:10:26 sounds good 11:10:58 alefury: ok -- I wasn't sure when we post the announcement, though 11:11:11 announcement is today, afaik 11:11:28 so webtiles wont be up in time, but should be done in time for the tourney 11:12:38 MarvinPA: maybe dont even mention the new ways of gaining piety. ely and zin changes are somewhat complex, it might be better to just have people look it up on ^! or their spoiler of choice 11:12:44 or read the actual changelog 11:12:55 i mean, mention that there are new ways, but dont be specific 11:13:51 or use the long form of course, but briefly mentioning these without explanation might be misleading 11:14:08 "The three good gods now have piety decay over time, but each has new methods of gaining piety. Elyvilon piety from pacification has been greatly increased, Zin demands a tithe of all gold collected in return for piety, and The Shining One gives piety for meeting new monsters (and determining whether they need to be eradicated!)." 11:14:10 how's that? 11:14:59 sounds pretty good, except for ely. 11:14:59 doesn't mention the weapon sacrifice changes, dunno if that's okay 11:15:30 i dont know how apparent the change is 11:15:39 could just add "and piety from weapon sacrifices has been adjusted"? 11:15:49 sounds good 11:16:59 i probably wouldnt mention the nemelex changes. the gift timeout change is probably more important than the card changes anyway. at least shorten the nemelex part if you dont want to leave it out. 11:17:11 yeah, cutting that is probably fine 11:18:53 the ai changes sound like they would be annoying. in practice monsters actually flee less often now, and emergency spells were made less annoying. 11:19:34 probably cut it 11:19:38 maybe that can go too 11:19:39 heh 11:20:14 combine new spells and removed spells into spells. 11:20:52 hm, that doesnt work well with "spell balance changes" :/ 11:22:25 monster balance can probably merge with changed monsters 11:25:55 -!- petete has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:27:01 and abyss with branches 11:37:04 -!- Forthwith has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:40 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:17 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52:45 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:13 http://pastebin.com/VGvffDQ4 slightly shorter, reorganised a bit 11:55:34 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:55:34 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:01:03 I feel a powerful force, calling me from across the internet 12:01:04 greatzebu: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:01:12 0.10 must be ready :) 12:01:20 missing: codename, webtiles slightly delayed, vault contributors. 12:02:04 so very close 12:02:07 imo move the skills changes further up (best 0.10 change imo! this affects gameplay in incredible ways). merge food into changed mechanics 12:02:52 possibly merge skills into changed mechanics and move the whole point up 12:05:22 "0.10 webtiles will be launched within the next few days"? 12:05:51 is that what the timeline is? 12:07:04 N said he wont have time until the weekend, has a free monday, and will try to get it done by monday afternoon. 12:07:09 ah yeah 12:07:17 so, yes, unless something goes wrong 12:07:54 Constriction Tile does not appear on Player Tile (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5319) by XuaXua 12:09:20 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:21 uery 12:14:36 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:15:19 probably use "should launch" instead of "will be launched". or anything you come up with that will probably be better. :) 12:25:06 oh. mention the survey in the announcement? 12:25:54 ahh good point 12:25:59 theres lots of exposition on /wordpress/survey, so mentioning and linking it should be enough. 12:29:44 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:30 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:58 !tell kilobyte mac binaries for 0.10.0 are created, tested, and uploaded to CDO 12:36:59 greatzebu: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 12:37:08 nice 12:40:55 :) 12:47:04 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:48:15 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:53 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:50 greatzebu: may I ask where? https://crawl.develz.org/release/ seems to not have them. 12:52:51 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:53:40 Mac binaries for 0.9.2 are hosted on CDO, unlike the rest (sources, Windows) which are on SF. 12:53:40