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00:04:56 <CIA-52> 03evilmike * r6454c54b04cd 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/overflow.des: Remove old xom_monty_hall vault.
00:05:01 <CIA-52> 03evilmike * rf8391baa6752 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/xom_monty_hall.des: New and improved xom_monty_hall vault. (dk)
00:05:01 <CIA-52> 03evilmike * r8a4ff79ac2e5 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Eleven vaults. (HangedMan)
00:05:09 <CIA-52> 03evilmike * raeb14a8dd18e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/serial/ice.des: Ice themed serial vault for early D. (dk)
00:07:47 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-99-gf8391ba
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02:46:12 <Cheibriados> orcs show up as items (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5285) by ortoslon
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03:11:18 <SamB> that sounds like a win to me!
03:11:44 <SamB> I mean, them orc shops are a good idea, are they not?
03:18:49 <ais523> SamB: in ADOM you can wish for monsters, and it's often a good idea
03:19:01 <ais523> I sort-of like the idea of a shop that sells hostile monsters to fight against
03:19:12 <ais523> probably should mostly or all be OOD
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03:19:22 <SamB> I was thinking for HOPr, actually ;-)
03:20:44 <rawrmage> hm
03:20:53 <rawrmage> i must not play crawl enough
03:21:19 <rawrmage> my first thought was "that's a weird way to write propanol"
03:21:58 <SamB> hehehehe
03:22:10 <SamB> PrOH is more your speed?
03:22:28 <rawrmage> yea
03:26:21 <ais523> I'd write it as C_3H_7OH
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03:32:03 <rawrmage> ais523: but that's ambiguous
03:32:36 <ais523> rawrmage: so's your notation, it doesn't distinguish between propan-1-ol and propan-2-ol, does it?
03:33:02 <rawrmage> i'd write propan-2-ol iPrOH
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03:35:24 <rawrmage> and i'd right, for example, tert-butanol/2-methylpropan-2-ol tBuOH
03:35:27 <rawrmage> write*
03:35:43 <rawrmage> ...how'd I do that typo?
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08:51:35 <Cheibriados> Ending transformation while wearing ring of magical power generates "mana capacity is already quite full" (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5286) by josh
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13:01:45 <kilobyte> fighting a ghost whose only spell is Sputterflies is... weird
13:03:22 <Eronarn> can we nerf it yet
13:03:42 <Eronarn> it's still far too powerful for a L1 spell
13:12:30 <kilobyte> never tried it after the nerf... at least from what I see the monster version is unchanged
13:12:57 <kilobyte> by the way, I realized how insanely underrated lanterns of shadows are
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13:13:41 <Eronarn> they're pretty good, but the power thing hurts them
13:13:43 <kilobyte> people keep talking about using it to attack stuff... while it's the bestest escape item there is
13:14:14 <kilobyte> you don't cast or melee while wielding one
13:15:03 <Eronarn> having to swap a lot to make good use of them is irritating but if you are willing to do that they can be quite useful sure
13:15:57 <kilobyte> you don't lose a single turn for summoning, and leave a trail of summons that can take a while to destroy... like one shadow per turn
13:16:32 <kilobyte> all while reducing the number of monsters that can shoot/torment/smite/summon
13:16:46 <Eronarn> well, it's nothing new that los effects are powerful :P
13:16:53 <Eronarn> (add summon door mimic!)
13:18:02 <kilobyte> heh
13:20:57 <Eronarn> do we know who's going to be doing the .11 agenda yet
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15:07:18 <Cheibriados> Dam+x bonus description unclear (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5287) by oiseaux
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15:17:27 <HangedMan> so, uh, about my dead save
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15:58:56 <kilobyte> HangedMan: the empty one?
15:59:02 <HangedMan> yes
15:59:12 <HangedMan> kind of would like it to be gone so I can play trunk and stuff
15:59:15 <kilobyte> HangedMan: there's a "delete save" command in DGL menu
15:59:19 <HangedMan> oh?
15:59:45 <kilobyte> in "advanced options"
16:00:55 <HangedMan> pressing D in advanced options seems to not be doing anything
16:02:09 <kilobyte> CDO, right?
16:02:23 <HangedMan> cao
16:03:16 <kilobyte> sorry, can't check it myself then
16:03:25 <HangedMan> gah
16:03:38 <kilobyte> (on CDO, I would be able to look at the insides, but still not delete the thing)
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16:25:46 * kilobyte wonders why we still don't have a Xom altar that involves sheep perm_ench:inner_flame perm_ench:sticky_flame
16:26:07 <kilobyte> possibly spells:flame_tongue as well
16:30:27 <HangedMan> lua trapping shenanigans to make that work would be a bit silly
16:30:33 <HangedMan> obviously a basket of butterflies should be made first
16:30:46 <Eronarn> perm_ench inner flame would be cool for a monster with bombs strapped to it or something
16:31:14 <Eronarn> or a gasoline elemental!
16:31:16 <HangedMan> make fire bats or fire elementals more exciting by giving them it
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17:23:42 <petete> is there any vault with a maze made with teleport traps instead of walls?
17:27:34 <Eronarn> get out >:(
17:28:11 * HangedMan quietly jots this down as a side-idea for his teleroulette encompass vault
17:43:20 <due> petete: sadistic!
17:44:21 <HangedMan> but is it good sadism or bad sadism
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17:48:40 <HangedMan> (obviously it will be fine if a monster can reliably reveal the presence of the traps)
17:50:01 <Wensley> summon butterflies would be useful
17:50:23 <HangedMan> what, a butterfly statue
17:51:16 <HangedMan> (where is the non-vault-defined-non-pan-lord-non-ghost monster with butterflies already)
17:54:52 <Eronarn> a flower that summons butterflies :)
17:55:11 <HangedMan> hahaha
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18:04:37 <kilobyte> butterflies with no inner flame are no good :p
18:04:53 <HangedMan> basket of inner flame butterflies
18:05:30 <kilobyte> ??butterfly
18:05:31 <Henzell> butterfly[1/7]: A deadly crawl monster only surpassed by the Toenail Golem.  FLEE FOR YOUR LIFE IF YOU SEE ONE! Shoots hellfire from its proboscis and has an irresistible paralyze attack. Has been known to dual wield quick blades of distortion. Also reported being smiting!
18:05:32 <HangedMan> (there needs to be some rare use of pressure plates that isn't immeadiately hostile or dangerous)
18:05:49 <HangedMan> smiting is kind of weak amongst all of that
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18:16:07 <HangedMan> can simulacra be allowed to swim or float or whatever even if their base type didn't
18:18:14 <HangedMan> also can phoenixes get minimal rF or something it's kind of weird
18:48:49 <Wensley> only if you code it
18:49:01 <Wensley> giving phoenixes rf is trivial
18:49:11 <Wensley> also probably making simulacra swim but I'm not sure
18:49:33 <HangedMan> I've read through mon-data.cc while looking for vault ideas, it's not very complicated
18:49:41 <HangedMan> very important patch to put onto mantis, though
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19:06:42 <Eronarn> those sound like good changes both
19:34:09 <due> um
19:34:14 <due> phoenixes don't already have RF?
19:34:31 <Cheibriados> phoenix (05b) | Speed: 12 | HD: 13 | Health: 91-129 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Damage: 1908(holy) | Flags: 08holy, fly | Res: 06magic(52), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 1669.

19:34:31 <HangedMan> %?? phoenix
19:34:49 <due> hm, pretty sure res holy also includes fire in some aspect
19:35:06 <due> or maybe that was just a vague idea i had
19:35:18 <HangedMan> it doesn't
19:35:22 <HangedMan> there's holy fire, though
19:35:34 <Eronarn> maybe you're thinking of hellfire res?
19:35:49 <Eronarn> phoenixes having rF+++ makes sense though
19:35:52 <due> yeah
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19:55:55 <kilobyte> !tell edlothiol non-DGL keeps crashing for me: http://sprunge.us/XYJa (didn't run it in a long while, no idea if it's a new regression)
19:55:56 <Henzell> kilobyte: OK, I'll let edlothiol know.
19:59:11 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * r160e00b47d90 10/crawl-ref/source/player-act.cc: Fix a crash on w* of non-weapons.
19:59:22 <CIA-52> 03kilobyte * rdb794c63b70c 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Salamander (Paracelsian) is not an animal -- so put the tile in the right dir.
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