00:00:50 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-70-g6178f76 (32) 00:03:02 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:08:16 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.11-a0-70-g6178f76 00:23:49 You constrict the royal jelly. 00:23:49 You kill the royal jelly! 00:24:03 I thought there was some plan of making jelly-type monsters immune to constrict? 00:26:44 it was talked about, I guess no one got around to doing it though 00:27:07 one little issue with this, is that eyeballs are considered "slimes" and I think you should be allowed to constrict those 01:48:32 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:52 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:04 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:51:47 -!- absolutego_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:03:48 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:11:47 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:30:04 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 03:40:42 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:44:04 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:24 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:13:35 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:22:13 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:35 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:51:32 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:51:32 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 05:58:54 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:38 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:49:13 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: sleep] 06:51:00 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:14 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:12 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 07:26:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:27:57 -!- absolutego_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:45:02 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:04 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:45 i've been trying to track down what happened to my commit a3dd0022ef8b951a597a0a21637d, it seems to have mysteriously disappeared and i can't find any trace of how that happened 08:10:59 not a particularly exciting commit, just curious where it went... i tried using git bisect and it didn't seem to help 08:11:27 (by disappeared, i mean the full stop it added no longer exists but i don't see any commits that removed it) 08:12:16 -!- absolutego has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:12:59 it is an ancestor of the current HEAD 08:13:43 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:00 ce5cd1e9df7f220ee7d07b285b76473ec9fb928f lost it 08:25:01 ahh, massive fight rewrite merges 08:28:55 03kilobyte * re2b86eab12f2 10/crawl-ref/source/ (actor.h monster.cc monster.h player.cc player.h): Simplify a bit, correct the prototype for actor::mons_species(). 08:29:03 03kilobyte * rb772ba5e806c 10/crawl-ref/source/ (actor.h melee_attack.cc monster.cc monster.h player.h): Constriction resistance, currently immunity only. 08:29:03 03kilobyte * rd542c58fb72f 10/crawl-ref/source/xom.cc: Re-fix punctuation of snakes to sticks. 08:29:04 03kilobyte * r88e8c9bff4f3 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: Fix the shillelagh hurting the player if you wield it. 08:29:17 thanks! 08:30:21 -!- Lollipop_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:38 -!- Lollipop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:40:14 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * ra05becaa30dd 10/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc: Shopping list: change a misleading message. 08:40:14 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r370748239f7c 10/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc: Make silver stars immune to all polymorph effects. 08:40:15 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r5c80b55d9fa6 10/crawl-ref/source/ (actor.h melee_attack.cc monster.cc monster.h player.h): Constriction resistance, currently immunity only. 08:40:15 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r110d7e7d8107 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: Fix the shillelagh hurting the player if you wield it. 08:40:15 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r2b1c865f54a7 10/crawl-ref/source/xom.cc: Re-fix punctuation of snakes to sticks. 09:06:25 Napkin: ping 09:06:38 erm, ja, moin :) 09:06:50 moin ;) 09:06:58 schwer unmotiviert heute 09:07:04 query? 09:07:08 ok 09:15:42 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27:27 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:12 -!- Textmode has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:37 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:33 how about such a magical weapon effect in crawl? http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Bound_Sword#Bound_Sword 09:45:58 i've wanted some new kinds of summ spells, and summoned weapons/armor seems like a good fit to me 09:58:46 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:18 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:22:38 b 10:23:11 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:25 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:54 -!- ZorbaBeta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:01 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:26 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:24:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:19 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:43 Napkin: what's this about suggesting skyrim features for crawl? :P 11:39:25 Napkin: in any case, new version of the player status page: http://seleniac.org/crawl/dcss-playerstatus/ 11:39:29 a friend suggested it, i just forwarded it :D 11:39:41 ah, pushed to your git repository? 11:39:44 yes 11:39:46 cool 11:39:50 https://github.com/Wensleydale/dcss-playerstatus 11:39:51 dinner now, will check afterwords 11:39:54 sure thing 11:39:55 and.. hi Wensley :) 11:39:57 o/ 11:40:00 o/ :) 11:40:45 (mostly I rewrote the player status page because I am making my github account respectable, and the old version of the page was the first nontrivial thing I ever wrote in javascript, and was a fantastic kludge) 11:41:40 but there are also new features! asynchronous ajax (yes! it's true!) and multiply-sorted columns! 11:42:51 * kilobyte throws NoScript towards Wensley :p 11:43:04 it would be hard to do without javascript, yes :) 11:43:24 the old version did work 11:43:35 the old version of noscript? 11:43:36 (but no, it's not that bad a flaw in my book) 11:44:26 oh blah, there's no initial view 11:44:31 speaking of noscript, I have stepped up my internet paranoia by installing this addon on top of it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/requestpolicy/ 11:45:10 initial view? 11:45:18 I guess I'm one of few folks around who browses with elinks sometimes :p 11:45:25 I prefer w3m 11:45:55 Zaba: heretic! Burn! 11:46:34 it attempts to do at least -some- layouting, unlike lynx/*links*, that's heresy indeed 11:46:49 not to mention usable vi keybindings 11:46:56 elinks has quite good CSS support 11:47:14 it also has javascript support, hasn't it? 11:47:45 it had, it was disabled because 99.9% of pages assume that javascript implies graphics 11:47:59 makes sense 11:48:14 but wait, didn't it also have graphics support? Or was that links2? 11:48:28 it's currently unmaintained, meant to be dropped in the next major version unless someone wants to beat it back into shape 11:48:29 wensley where is the god display 11:48:40 HangedMan: that requires modifiying dgl 11:48:45 HangedMan: code it 11:48:46 links2 is heresy that shouldn't be spoken about 11:48:56 oh, I wouldn't know ;p 11:48:59 nmp 11:49:16 what's so bad about it? 11:49:35 elinks is a fork of links1 (ok, that's pretty old news, they diverged ages ago) 11:50:50 I tried it once or twice, it did struck me as clumsy but I guess this may be a matter of getting used to. So I'm mostly repeating opinions of others. 11:52:37 can w3m force a layout into the screen's width so there's no scrolling? 11:52:48 re! 11:52:52 updating now, Wensley 11:52:55 moin guys 11:52:57 (that's the biggest flaw of elinks for me currently) 11:53:42 -!- ZorbaTHut has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:52 kilobyte, not sure, really, but I don't remember scrolling horizontally all that often. 11:54:11 Napkin: how does edlothiolizing DGL proceed? Will you move to that unified console+webtiles thingy soon? 11:54:29 unified console webtiles? 11:54:35 viewing console games in a browser? 11:54:37 definitely i need to install 0.10 in webtiles tomorrow 11:54:42 and fork 0.10 in dgl 11:55:47 another thing: the main reason I hate[d?] w3m is that you need 64743698736987 keystrokes to get to a link, but this is that bad only on a big screen with a good keyboard 11:56:13 kilobyte, I mostly navigate using search 11:56:57 big screen implies capable graphical browser (unless doing something over seven proxies :p), so all but one times I've used elinks recently were on the phone 11:57:19 -!- ZorbaTHut has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:57 (elinks starts, read pages, switches tabs instantly, while there's no single graphical browser that 1. works, 2. doesn't take half a minute to load a page/switch tabs on 256MB ram) 11:58:04 elinks is very cool 11:58:10 i use it every day 11:59:07 heh... I guess this can sum up the target demographics for Crawl :p 12:00:10 you wouldn't say that, if you saw me using elinks completely with mouse ;) 12:00:42 ... 12:00:56 actually, I keep forgetting that you can do this 12:01:32 clicking (ok, applying the fingernail) on a link is faster than navigating there with keyboard 12:03:00 -!- ZorbaTHut has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:00 also, right-click and open in new tab 12:03:14 very convenient 12:03:42 definitely beats installing part Xorg and FreeNX just to run a browser on your server ;) 12:03:51 Wensley: that RequestPolicy thingy... seems to be a faster (ie, more secure) version of what I abuse AdBlock for, although it seems less configureable 12:04:36 (I view the list of requests pretty damn often, but that doesn't protect me during the first visit) 12:04:52 kilobyte: I guess it depends on what you need, I've often wanted to be able to use noscript to only allow ads on websites that I like, but without allowing ads from those sites on all sites that I visit. requestpolicy lets me do that easily 12:05:20 Napkin: what exactly do you need a browser for on a server? 12:05:40 top secret 12:05:57 Napkin: and even if you did, 6tunnel or ssh -L let you view something conveniently 12:06:15 unless you're doing a seven proxies thingy 12:07:06 ;) 12:10:34 Napkin: let me know if you have any trouble making that page work 12:12:26 rebase conflict and phone call 12:12:34 it got to wait 12:19:56 -!- Lollipop_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:51 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:29:52 Wensley: consolas at size 8pt looks terrible 12:30:15 Napkin: it only uses consolas if someone has it installed, which I assume would be people who had windows 7 12:30:20 but yes, I've noticed this 12:30:24 I was thinking of removing it 12:30:30 i have debian/sid 12:30:40 i'm removing it for now 12:30:44 surely debian does not ship with consolas 12:30:51 feel free to remove it from the css 12:31:09 menlo is just mac osx-flavored dejavu sans 12:31:35 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:12 looks great 12:32:25 the sort-by-multiple-columns is a nice feature 12:32:28 cool :) 12:34:48 oh hm 12:35:01 looks like I need to tell it what color to make visited links 12:35:32 also, just realized that sorting order isn't preserved across updates (which happen every 30 seconds) 12:36:27 that might be either really easy or pretty tricky to do 12:36:31 -!- ixtli has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:37:49 Wensley: http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/blobs/master/crawl-ref/source/webserver/static/scripts/client.js#line627 12:39:31 ah, thank you :) 12:39:38 the docs on tablesorter are somewhat infuriating 12:39:44 yeah 12:43:12 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:18 -!- Lollipop has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:24 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:45 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:57 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:49:58 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:53:29 -!- ixtli has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:57:06 Wensley: consolas+freetype >>>> consolas+ClearType™, never tested it at tiny sizes, though. 12:58:13 even on CRT, which ClearType can't do at all (it can do RGB or BGR subpixel, no grayscale or vertical) 12:58:18 right, my fundamental assumption was that the only people with consolas installed would be people who had a system where consolas would actually look good, but considering that it was somehow installed on my xp netbook where I do my testing, clearly this assumption does not hold :P 12:58:51 wait... an XP install with consolas you did not install by hand? 12:58:51 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:21 no, I did install it by hand, but I can't remember why :P 12:59:31 clearly I forgot to uninstall it 13:00:04 IIRC you do need to turn on ClearType on XP by hand... and consolas without antialiasing looks uglier than $POLITICIAN's mom 13:00:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:00:50 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 13:02:01 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:17 hmm, on freetype it doesn't look half bad on small (but not very small) sizes either, although it's not the #1 font there 13:05:02 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:52 ClearType+XP is good at size 10, bad at 8 (some vertical sections randomly get thinned) 13:12:31 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:15:11 -!- ixtli has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:23:00 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:27 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:40 -!- ixtli has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:53:19 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:42 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:33 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:55 -!- ixtli has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:11:47 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:15 -!- ixtli has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:23:01 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:13 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:53:52 -!- ixtli has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:24:07 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:31:05 hmm, http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/about says Crawl was created in 1995 but I'm unable find anything earlier than this post from late 1996: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.misc/msg/a16013481f079161 15:31:17 and 1.0 release was september 97 15:42:09 hahaha, the old dungeoncrawl website (which is still up) says "Don't abandon a site that fails or proves a challenge to manage. Stale content pollutes the Web space." 15:42:31 haha 15:42:37 perhaps it isn't abandoned 15:42:45 well, last updated in 2007 15:42:47 pre-Stone Soup Crawl can't be very hard to maintain a website about 15:43:12 full of remarks about how more stuff is forthcoming, along with attempts to convince people to work on crawl 4.0 15:44:18 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:32 jarpiain: www.dungeoncrawl.org also says 1995, so it's possible that he started in 1995 but didn't post until much later 15:46:23 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Up, up and away!] 16:16:07 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38:44 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:25 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.10 * r8e5e619f8e4f 10/crawl-ref/source/output.cc: A dirty hack to paper over "Place: An Ice_cave" for 0.10 16:55:19 * due papers over kilobyte. 16:55:45 jarpiain: Check out Greensnark's histpory post on the blog 17:04:21 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:46 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:04 -!- ghallberg has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:21:18 -!- ghallberg has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:51 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:50:28 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:20:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:22:53 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:46 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:50 Gilihad the Sneak (L3 MfWn) (D:2) 18:37:10 !lm * crash -log 18:37:11 2159. Gilihad, XL3 MfWn, T:1418 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Gilihad/crash-Gilihad-20120130-003649.txt 18:58:21 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:49 edlothiol: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3687 19:00:35 maybe comment? 19:00:41 good night 19:00:48 -!- alefury has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38:03 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:16 -!- medgno has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:38 !tell napkin New version of the player status page for the pulling, with a few fixes. 20:17:38 Wensley: OK, I'll let napkin know. 20:25:57 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:26 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:08 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:52 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:32 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 21:02:56 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:21:20 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:44 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: Holy shit, this is going to be awesome.] 21:25:53 -!- medgno has quit [Quit: Quitting] 21:26:54 -!- petete has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:31:34 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:32:49 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:10 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:35:10 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 22:14:09 -!- Danei has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:21 -!- ixtli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:23 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 9.0.1/20111220165912]] 22:38:51 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:39:20 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:42:54 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:04 -!- ixtli_ has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:51:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:39 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 23:17:56 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:44:03 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [] 23:45:54 -!- ixtli has quit [Client Quit] 23:51:05 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:53:17 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:25 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]