00:01:44 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-b1-2-g884132b (32) 00:10:20 Add autofight_stop to init.txt file (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5241) by XuaXua 00:12:16 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-b1-2-g884132b 00:18:00 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:02 -!- wtface has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 00:31:06 03elliptic * r9f10547b7d7f 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/lua/autofight.lua: Merge hit_closest() and hit_adjacent(). 00:31:16 03elliptic * rac963a9d3031 10/crawl-ref/settings/init.txt: Add commented-out autofight_stop to init.txt. 00:31:59 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:35:24 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38:01 -!- Wensley_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:40:55 AK abyss creation randomly fails (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5242) by KiloByte 00:47:58 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:04 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:38 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:40:44 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:03:00 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12:14 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:30 -!- elliptic_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:31 -!- elliptic_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:44 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:33:01 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:55:55 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:43 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:01:06 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 03:16:22 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:22:19 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39:46 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:58 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 03:53:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:54:21 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 04:14:51 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 04:19:31 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:22:39 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:30:06 some new vaults abuse portal_desc (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5243) by KiloByte 04:40:27 -!- jooosa has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:34 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:42:34 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 04:47:59 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:37 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:59 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:54:40 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:11:05 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:15:34 -!- ixtli has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 06:19:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:22 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:23:17 -!- iasov__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:25:53 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:20 -!- iasov__ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:54 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:09:24 -!- cosmonaut has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:24:06 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:28:16 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:26 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:15 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:55:58 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:18 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:19:18 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Up, up and away!] 08:19:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:53 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:51 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:02 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:49:38 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:17 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:57:23 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:19:28 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:55 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:06 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 09:43:10 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:38 -!- syllogism has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:13:58 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:04 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18:13 would it be acceptable if I used eldritch tentacle segments for an abyss hedge maze vault? 10:19:35 that sounds cool if it doesn't crash like everything else involving tentacle segments :P 10:19:48 the tentacle segments just sit there like bushes 10:20:21 oddly enough eldritch tentacle segments all each count as a monster but setting and killing any one of kraken tentacle segments kills all of them 10:21:57 also for some reason the tile is always this one arch where the two ends lead into the same square 10:22:17 double also the eldritch tentacle gets a kraken tentacle tile but that's low priority 10:31:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:34:06 i'd recommend just making a new monster 10:34:07 less buggy 10:34:12 there's already: 10:34:14 @??abyssal plant 10:34:14 unknown monster: "abyssal plant" 10:34:17 or whatever it is 10:34:28 it's not really buggy 10:34:34 as much as it looks silly 10:34:35 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:42 what happens when someone throws a dispersal dart at it 10:34:44 if I'm just using eldritch tentacle segments, rather 10:34:46 or tramples it 10:34:53 let's find out! 10:35:15 also what kind of throwing skill do you need to make darts of dispersal work against 15 ac 10:35:26 just summon up +50 ones 10:35:31 very common 10:35:46 set skill to 27 in wizard mode 10:36:10 yes I know how to make it work I'm just being a bit acerbic about how relevant it might be 10:37:46 can't disperse at all, can't trample it 10:37:51 it is effectively a super bush 10:38:46 the point i'm trying to make is why not just make a super bush rather than using a thing that isn't a bush 10:38:53 it'll lead to less pain later 10:39:20 but I don't see any pain yet and it's easily flavourful 10:41:34 -!- ixtli has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:01:55 the vaults dump option does not include vaults encountered in pan and the abyss (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5244) by jeanjacques 11:02:40 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:17 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20110929064733]] 11:35:04 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:35:41 -!- ainsophy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:47 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:43:36 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:43:55 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:48:12 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:54:51 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:36 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:25 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:50:22 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:14 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:21 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 13:19:17 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:32:09 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:47 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:53 -!- ainsophy_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:37 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:59 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:46:00 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 13:49:49 Mark Four/Stack Five ability descriptions don't mention you can't stack a marked deck (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5245) by crate 13:52:39 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57:08 03galehar * rc362ab351f68 10/crawl-ref/source/skills.cc: Make sure at least one skill is enabled when a skill turns untrainable. 14:07:52 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:16 Fix ability to train restricted skills by neutering all skills (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5246) by XuaXua 14:10:24 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:10:25 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 14:27:46 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:30:08 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:33:08 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:33:32 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:00 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:22 03kilobyte * r93bfe0f3abf0 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ability.txt: Mention that Mark 4/Stack 5 don't work on marked decks. 15:24:25 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:42:35 -!- Red_Bucket has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:10 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:39 We're gonna get players in the arena eventually, right? 15:49:36 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:40 would be a good deal of work, although the ucc merge was a big step forward 15:53:17 How about players piloted by the AI? 15:56:39 by AI? You're thinking small :p 15:57:14 red_bucket, autorobin 15:58:14 speaking of autorobin... does anyone remember how can I hook yesno() questions from a bot? 15:58:15 03kilobyte * rd41493b8f395 10/crawl-ref/source/contrib/sqlite: Disable sqlite locking on Mac OS X (GreatZebu). 15:58:40 perhaps I'm blind but I somehow can't seem to find it any of the bots, and yet they don't have problems with them 16:00:15 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:08:24 What problems would there be with something that lets you convert an item into a more useful but less gold value item. Like, a +4/+4 longsword into a +3/+3 war axe if you have much better axes skill 16:09:10 gold value, the newest thing you have to care about after size 16:10:13 And a much more abusable idea is something that takes a big stack of one item and turns it into a smaller stack of a "better" item. 16:12:36 even in all of bad_ideas i don't think anyone has managed to suggest polypiling before 16:12:40 bravo 16:18:19 It would just turn stacks meat rations in royal jellies and arrows into enchanted arrows or a missile more appropriate for you. 16:19:04 The objective is not to add to bad_ideas I don't think 16:19:39 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:23 I was trying to think of the least abusable way to do more advanced item alterations. 16:20:46 There isn't one 16:20:52 I don't think 16:21:54 one where the items magically turn into nothing 16:22:17 Does polymorph cause npc undead to rot. 16:22:41 i think it doesn't affect them 16:22:43 but you can try in wizmode 16:24:41 oh, there's a very easy way to change items 16:24:49 you see, you sacrifice things like books 16:24:52 and you get bazaars 16:25:23 nemelex is such an awful god 16:25:40 i like the "polypile gold into items" trick 16:25:48 which can only be done in stores ;) 16:31:04 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:03 -!- Wensley_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:13 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:08:28 Incorrect Question Marks (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5247) by snow 17:20:35 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:18 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 17:32:59 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:36:13 Is making things with lower leveling exp requirement than humans off limits? 17:43:17 almost certainly not 17:43:37 there are plenty of species with better apts than humans, no reason for exp to be an exception 17:44:59 I was wondering because kobolds are typically a short lived race, but in crawl they have the same exp as humans. And exp is loosely proportional to the natural lifespan of a race. 17:47:23 it's usually more constructive to think of ideas that will make the game better, and *then* justify it in the lore somehow :) 17:48:09 the primary usefulness of lore in devising game mechanics is to focus your attention in a field of infinite possibility 17:53:22 Does silver hurt vampires 17:53:41 They can turn into bats, so it's justifiable. 17:54:09 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:20 Red_Bucket: I see no relation to the lifespan... In crawl, it's mostly tied to how powerful the race is in general. 17:55:38 humans get crappy aptitudes so they get XP levels cheaply 17:56:40 high elves get good stats and decent apts so they level slowly... demigods get awesome stats so they are penalized even more 17:56:53 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:00 human apts arent crappy 18:00:35 High elves and demigods are also typically very long living 18:00:47 you mean in mythology? 18:00:57 or in crawl? 18:00:58 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:00 In any place that mentions them really 18:01:18 okay, so its a flavor argument, not a gameplay one. just wanted to make sure i got that right. 18:01:27 Sometimes, elves and demigods are the same thing. 18:02:26 But when you go back that far, dwarves and elves are also the same thing. 18:09:19 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 18:09:29 inverted logic in mutation-data.h comment (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5248) by Galefury 18:10:51 How do I spawn the basket of spiders trap in wiz mode 18:13:29 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:19:55 if you search for 'boot' you get naga bardings 18:20:29 this strikes me as something that is bad for both nagas and non-nagas 18:24:54 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:49 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:41 -!- syllogism- has quit [] 18:44:06 Eronarn: don't they occupy the boot slot? 18:46:34 that's an implementation detail, not part of the game, or even sense-making in ingame terms 18:47:34 plus it's useless clutter for a nonnaga to get bardings while searching for boots e.g. 18:52:35 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:05:51 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:40 Can monsters use scrolls of blinking? 19:13:15 -!- st_ has quit [] 19:22:10 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:43 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:31:36 monqy: non-naga/centaur, right? 19:34:16 oh right. 19:34:26 and centaurs don't need naga bardings etc etc 19:35:05 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:11 -!- medgno has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:51 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:50:51 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:06 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:56:37 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 3.6.25/20111212142243]] 19:57:35 reading a help page on google concerning setting up email address aliases 19:57:42 gah always the wrong channel 20:07:45 Why won't my friendly jelly eat anything 20:20:32 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:20:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:38 -!- mikee_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26:12 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:31 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:35:44 -!- Wensley_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:36:08 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:11 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:33 Add gorgons 20:43:51 no 20:45:09 Red_Bucket: Seriously, ##crawl is that way. 20:45:49 If you have something relevant to say about development, say it; but jellies and blinking scrolls, etc, are all questions for ##crawl. 20:45:52 -!- Chapayev has joined ##crawl-dev 20:46:35 Eronarn: how do you propose this be fixed in the lua? 20:48:26 * SamB wishes xchat-WDK wouldn't use the GNOME help icon for a menu icon that actually opens in your default web browser 20:50:45 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:14 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:00 ou see here: the corpse of freed slave 20:54:23 that bug's still around? at least it's not "the human corpse of freed slave" anymore 20:55:59 SamB: i have no idea how it works, just noting it 20:56:06 i have never touched lua 20:56:16 -!- SamB has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:57:48 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:54 there is a name_nocorpse flag (or something close to that) for vault monsters now. dunno about pikel's slaves though 21:03:53 evilmike: I guess they should probably get it too, eh? 21:04:04 yeah 21:12:36 -!- alefury has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:14:42 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:10 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:25 03evilmike * r45e0e0575859 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des: Fix floor descriptions in wizard labs. 21:52:28 03evilmike * r3ab3508d0134 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/pan.des: Change how the silver wall and golden statue features are described in evilmike_holy_pan. 21:52:29 03evilmike * r3955f05a066d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/serial/undead.des: Changes to dk's "Undead" serial vault. 21:52:39 03evilmike * r4ab3be238f88 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/ (branches/lair.des entry/twisted.des variable/tomb_raider.des): Various changes to vault-defined feature descriptions. 21:55:30 anything still left? 21:55:49 for what 21:56:01 the branch 21:56:14 0.10? 21:56:17 yes 21:56:19 Your vaults missed 0.10, sorry 21:56:25 I'm fine with it 21:56:40 I will obviously flood 0.11 with dozens of them anyway 21:56:56 hmm, oh, there's that dragon form and draconian colours bug 21:57:23 those 4 commits were just bug fixes (in the form of a cheap workaround, for some). Actually I still need to fix wizlab_zonguldrok 21:57:54 what's still problematic with it? 21:58:23 the gravestones? 21:58:30 well, the main thing is that, when I made the floor descriptions actually have an effect, I also caused the floor to be "A ground" 21:58:43 the middle gravestone also has a problem though :P 22:00:13 -!- ZorbaBeta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:29 -!- ZorbaBeta has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:08 A GOUND <3 22:01:12 -!- HangedMan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:18 A ground is hilariously awesome. 22:01:26 I can't count the number of times I ran into it. :) 22:01:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:02:23 seems like adding "the" to the description is enough to fix it, although I worry that at some future date it will mutate into "a the ground" or something like that 22:02:45 I was doing some idle work in a vault using eldritch tentacle segments as an abyss hedge maze, and while they seem to have almost no dangerous behaviours (immobile super bushes) as something related to tentacles I was warned some buggy things might come up 22:02:57 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:03:20 do you think I should still screw around with it as I can't find any unexpected or crashy behaviours with said segments or not 22:03:37 -!- HangedMan_ is now known as HangedMan 22:04:52 placing tentacle segments strikes me as... iffy. I would suggest using a statue monster if you want something immobile 22:06:02 well, they seem to be fine in everything I could test them with, from constriction to trampling to dispersal and a bunch of other things, and I just thought it'd be neat 22:20:47 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:30 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 22:21:50 -!- capablanca has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:31 -!- mikee_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:22:31 -!- capablanca is now known as mikee_ 22:31:46 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:48:23 03evilmike * rd45553521867 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des: Fix descriptions in wizlab_zonguldrok. 23:00:28 the minmay elf arrival summoners (or some specific mix of those words) vault in elf.des missed the grate-ification, I think 23:02:09 thanks 23:03:06 -!- wtface has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:59 'welcome 23:04:24 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:20:55 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:21 03evilmike * r9ea98072d415 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/elf.des: Fix minmay_elf_arrival_summoners. 23:22:31 03evilmike * r0af5b33b4ca2 10/crawl-ref/source/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Sarcophagus tile for ragdoll_tomb_raider. 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