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01:01 < Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-3027-g780e22f (32)
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01:08 < Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-3027-g780e22f
01:22 < Jevouse> awworgh
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07:42 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L17 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster quokka failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
07:43 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L17 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster grey rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
07:43 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L17 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster grey rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
07:44 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L17 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster grey rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
07:44 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L17 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster quokka failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
07:44 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L17 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster bat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
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07:47 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L17 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
07:48 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L17 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
07:53 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L18 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster quokka failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
07:57 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L19 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
08:00 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L18 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster quokka failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
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08:01 < Reksch> Hello
08:01 < Jevouse> lolol
08:01 < Reksch> A few days ago, I asked here about a strange problem when trying to compile Crawl
08:02 < Reksch> http://pastebin.com/XB21St54 like this
08:02 < Reksch> I had to disconnect before anyone suggested anything, sadly :(
08:03 <+|amethyst> Reksch:  what version of gcc?
08:04 < Reksch> gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-9ubuntu3) 4.6.1 
08:05 <+|amethyst> hmm
08:05 <+|amethyst> wonder why it doesn't fail for me
08:05 < Reksch> I tried changing compiler version too, to 4.5, but either I screwed something up or it didn't work with 4.5 either
08:06 < Reksch> Yeah, no one else seemed to have this problem either... this started last Tuesday
08:06 < Reksch> Before that it worked like a charm...
08:07 <+|amethyst> tuesday was the commit that made them const
08:07 <+|amethyst> if you make V=1   what compiler options does it show?
08:08 < Reksch> x86_64-linux-gnu-g++ -O2 -g -Wall -Wextra -Wno-parentheses -Wno-unused-parameter -Wp,-MD,tool/tile.d,-MT,tool/tile.o -c tool/tile.cc -o tool/tile.o these
08:08 <+|amethyst> i486-linux-gnu-g++ -O0 -ggdb -pipe  -Wall -Wformat-security   -Wundef -Wno-array-bounds -Wno-parentheses -Wno-unused-parameter -Wwrite-strings -Wshadow -Icontrib/install/i486-linux-gnu/include -Iutil -I. -I/usr/include/lua5.1 -I/usr/include -Irltiles -I/usr/include/ncursesw    -DDEBUG -DWIZARD -DASSERTS  -DCLUA_BINDINGS -Wp,-MMD,version.d,-MT,version.o -c version.cc -o version.o
08:09 <+|amethyst> so you have -Wextra and I don't
08:09 <+|amethyst> let me try that
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08:09 < Reksch> Hmm, I haven't meddled with my compiler or anything... I know some C++ but I know very little about makefiles and compiler tricks
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08:12 <+|amethyst> still can't get it to give me the error, but I think it's right
08:13 <+|amethyst> I don't feel like looking through the standard to verify, though :)
08:13 <+|amethyst> hrm
08:13 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L19 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster quokka failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
08:13 <+|amethyst> no, the default default constructor should be fine
08:14 <+|amethyst> I'm not opposed to changing it, but I'd like to understand why it's failing
08:14 < Reksch> Black magic and witchcraft no doubt
08:16 < Jevouse> load a custom constructor ?
08:16 <+|amethyst> As required by the C++ standard, G++ no longer allows objects of const-qualified type to be default initialized unless the type has a user-declared default constructor.  Code that fails to compile can be fixed by providing an initializer.
08:17 <+|amethyst> oh, and then that was undone
08:17 <+|amethyst> Core 253 - allow const objects with no initializer or user-provided default constructor if the defaulted constructor initializes all the subobjects.
08:17 <+|amethyst> but the standard does not allow it
08:17 <+|amethyst> Reksch:  are you getting the source with git?
08:17 < Reksch> Yes
08:18 < Gretell> mouarf (L4 KoBe)  (D:3)
08:18 <+|amethyst> let me get you a branch to try
08:19 <+|amethyst> since I can't reproduce it, I can't tell whether my fix is right
08:19 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L20 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
08:19 <+|amethyst> give me a bit
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08:21 < Reksch> Alright, thanks
08:30 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L22 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster grey rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
08:32 <+|amethyst> hmm
08:36 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L22 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster grey rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
08:36 <+|amethyst> Reksch:  try   git pull git://gitorious.org/~neilmoore/crawl/neilmoore-crawl.git
08:36 < Reksch> Will do
08:36 <+|amethyst> could you try it now?
08:37 <+|amethyst> if it works I'll push it
08:37 < Reksch> Yeah
08:37 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L22 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster grey rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
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08:41 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L22 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster grey rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
08:41 < Reksch> okay, let's see
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08:43 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L23 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1354: invalid monster to place: Ignacio (499) (D:1 (ZotDef))
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08:45 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L22 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster grey rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
08:46 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L23 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-place.cc' at line 1354: invalid monster to place: Ignacio (499) (D:1 (ZotDef))
08:46 < Reksch> Alright, the compiler passed losparam without any problems
08:46 <+|amethyst> great
08:46 <+|amethyst> I'll push
08:46 < Reksch> Thanks for helping :)
08:46 <+|amethyst> it will be exactly the same commit so you won't need to reset
08:48 <+|amethyst> no problem :)
08:48 <+|amethyst> thanks for finding the bug
08:48 <+|amethyst> even if it doesn't trigger with latest gcc, standards compliance is always^Wusually good :)
08:48 < Reksch> Yep
08:49 < CIA-112> |amethyst * r3f8632fd0471 /crawl-ref/source/losparam.cc: Fix a standards compliance issue.
08:50 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L24 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster grey rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
08:51 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L23 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
08:51 <+|amethyst> you can always tell in ##crawl-dev when ragdoll is playing zotdef :)
08:52 < Ragdoll> i am sorry for the spam, say if it is too much
08:52 <+|amethyst> no, it's fine
08:52 <+|amethyst> what are you doing?
08:52 <+|amethyst> something that cuts off the level?
08:52 < Ragdoll> traveling through time
08:52 <+|amethyst> you're intentionally crashing?
08:52 <+|amethyst> or do you mean step from time?
08:53 < Ragdoll> semi-forced. i have gone to call it that, it reverts to the last save
08:53 <+|amethyst> by putting down one more statue to cut off the stairs from the orb?
08:53 <+|amethyst> I haven't been watching
08:54 < Ragdoll> if a summon ends up in the loot room, where there is no path to the orb it crashes
08:54 <+|amethyst> ohh
08:54 <+|amethyst> and I see you reported it a few months ago
08:55 < monqy> iirc if you cut off the stairs monsters will keep spawning but just all over the place
08:55 <+|amethyst> carry on, then, it's our fault it's not fixed
08:55 < Ragdoll> now its broken
08:55 < Ragdoll> haha.
08:55 <+|amethyst> btw, you said in 4830:  Runes that may have been spawned, are also gone forever, making you possibly unable to win this game.
08:55 <+|amethyst> is that not true anymore?
08:56 < Ragdoll> it is, probably
08:56 <+|amethyst> oh, you're just being careful not to do it with runes on the ground?
08:56 < Ragdoll> yeah
08:56 < Ragdoll> but the RNG decides at the moment of it spawning which runes it is
08:57 < Ragdoll> which may create double which it wont count. im not sure how to wrap my head around that
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08:58 <+|amethyst> hmm... I guess making it not count friendles wouldn't be a fix
08:58 <+|amethyst> since you could use makhleb summons
08:58 <+|amethyst> etc
08:59 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L23 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster grey rat failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
09:00 <+|amethyst> hm
09:00 < Ragdoll> maybe a alternative would work
09:00 < Ragdoll> like a portal to a treasure trove
09:01 <+|amethyst> let's suppose hypothetically that one made those treasure rooms not count for purposes of the pathfinding check
09:01 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L23 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster quokka failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
09:01 <+|amethyst> can you think of a way to exploit that?
09:01 <+|amethyst> getting a particularly hard visitor into the room somehow, etc?
09:01 < Ragdoll> it would seem the problem would be fixed with that then
09:02 < Ragdoll> nah, monsters dont spawn in the treasure rooms naturally
09:02 <+|amethyst> right, and they're no_rtele_into and surrounded by permarock
09:02 <+|amethyst> just making sure I'm not missing something obscure
09:02 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L23 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster quokka failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
09:03 < Jevouse> oh come on
09:03 <+|amethyst> could you passage of golubria in before the glass changes?
09:03 < Jevouse> mikee's run away from orc priest strategy just got me killed by smite
09:03 < Jevouse> zz
09:03 < monqy> you could probably get a monster in there
09:03 < Ragdoll> i think unnaturally hard would just say something was in the way
09:03 < monqy> or maybe not
09:03 < monqy> can you recall enslaved monsters?
09:03 <+|amethyst> ooh
09:04 <+|amethyst> monqy: good point
09:04 < Ragdoll> imps and likewise are able to just blink through glass though
09:04 < Ragdoll> so i could still potentially abuse it with that and swap
09:04 < HangedMan> wasn't there a trove with vampires behind glass
09:04 <+|amethyst> so an imp could accidentally end up there
09:04 < Ragdoll> but a easier way is just to get a source of tele
09:04 < Ragdoll> since you have ctele
09:04 < Ragdoll> then tele in, and of course hope you have a way of getting out of there
09:05 < HangedMan> hahaha, evilmike missed trove_nasty during the grate-ification
09:05 <+|amethyst> hm
09:05 < HangedMan> there's also a trove with two wandering shining eyes
09:06 < HangedMan> and one with dragon zombies/skeletons
09:06 < Gretell> Ragdoll (L23 MuSu) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 109: ZotDef: monster quokka failed to pathfind to (39,34) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef))
09:07 <+|amethyst> monqy:  (and, yes, you can recall charmed monsters)
09:07 < HangedMan> oh wait no trove_nasty didn't it just happens to use "glass" in the comments
09:10 < Ragdoll> but yeah, zotdef leaves a lot to be desired still
09:11 < HangedMan> most of the traps on level-up are pretty pointless, sage ability has no cost so one can wait for it to give a desired skill
09:11 < HangedMan> remove curse being a stat drain is pretty mean when it can take forever for stats to restore
09:12 < HangedMan> it still spawns infinite demonic runes even if only the first one counts
09:13 < Ragdoll> tons of loot, but no way to identify
09:13 < Ragdoll> and the delay the runes spawn at is way to short, resulting in 999999999999 scores
09:14 <+|amethyst> hm... does score use the same formula as in non-zotdef?
09:14 < Ragdoll> yes.
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09:14 < Ragdoll> !lg . zotdef won
09:14 < Sequell> 3. Ragdoll the Hellbinder (L27 SESu), worshipper of Sif Muna, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2011-10-28, with 99999999 points after 11974 turns and 0:31:53.
09:14 < HangedMan> change the zotdef scoring!
09:15 < Ragdoll> that you can get all runed in 12000 turns doesnt help
09:15 < HangedMan> it'd be nice of more of the abilities were more zot-esque
09:15 <+|amethyst> could you report that on mantis?
09:15 <+|amethyst> the score thing, that is
09:15 < HangedMan> like a summon friendly orb guardian
09:15 < Ragdoll> i could, sure
09:16 <+|amethyst> I think changing the score formula is a better idea than making the game longer
09:16 < HangedMan> it can already take a while as is
09:16 <+|amethyst> but of course that makes old and new scores incomparable
09:16 < HangedMan> heh
09:16 <+|amethyst> not that that hasn't happened before
09:17 <+|amethyst> thanks
09:17 < HangedMan> !seen ashenzari
09:17 < Henzell> I last saw Ashenzari at Thu Dec  8 05:33:38 2011 UTC (3w 3d 8h 43m 57s ago) quitting with message Ping timeout: 260 seconds.
09:17 < Ragdoll> can trunk zotdef scores be reset, anyway?
09:17 < HangedMan> what happende to the poor bot?
09:18 < Ragdoll> you can escape with 15 runes, but it would be cool i guess if more demonic runes means a higher score
09:18 < Ragdoll> this is a TD, after all
09:18 <+|amethyst> HangedMan:  no clue, and apparently no one has been able to get hold of doy
09:18 < HangedMan> hmm, a shame
09:18 <+|amethyst> hm
09:19 <+|amethyst> does anyone know where the ashenzari source is?
09:20 < Jevouse> |amethyst. do you know what the zin gold to piety rate is
09:21 <+|amethyst> not off the top of my head
09:21 < Ragdoll> alright, reported.
09:22 <+|amethyst> Ragdoll:  thanks
09:22 < Ragdoll> i was looking at the zotdef source, and i noticed that even for simple abilities i would have to edit multiple files
09:22 < Ragdoll> if i were to make a patch that actually works, where could i put this?
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09:24 <+|amethyst> in the mantis entry
09:24 <+|amethyst> git format-patch is preferable, so it keeps your metadata
09:25 <+|amethyst> but if you don't want to deal with git a plain diff is acceptible too
09:26 < Ragdoll> alright
09:26 <+|amethyst> which issue are you thinking about writing a patch for?
09:29 <+|amethyst> wait...
09:29 <+|amethyst> there's already code that should stop the assert from happening inside the loot vaults
09:30 <+|amethyst> if (crawl_state.game_is_zotdef() && you.level_type == LEVEL_DUNGEON && !testbits(env.pgrid(mon->pos()), FPROP_NO_RTELE_INTO))
09:31 <+|amethyst> which map are you playing?
09:31 <+|amethyst> I guess zotvault5 is a problem
09:31 <+|amethyst> and zotvault2 if you have digging
09:31 < Ragdoll> mainly things i can tackle right now, like a identify scroll ability
09:31 < Ragdoll> the latest map, so the 6th
09:32 <+|amethyst> six?
09:32 <+|amethyst> I only count 5
09:32 < Ragdoll> oh sorry, 5
09:32 <+|amethyst> "glassed sandwitch"?
09:32 < Ragdoll> yes.
09:32 <+|amethyst> s/itc/ic/
09:32 <+|amethyst> yeah, that one is problematic :)
09:33 <+|amethyst> because of the empty floor tiles in the loot room---those don't have no_rtele_into
09:34 <+|amethyst> scenario I has rock walls around the outside of the vault
09:35 < Jevouse> |amethyst, why can't sling bullets be thrown?
09:35 < Ragdoll> sure you can
09:35 <+|amethyst> Jevouse:  too light to do significant damage with hand-throwing velocity
09:35 < Ragdoll> just select it with fi*
09:36 < Jevouse> but i can throw stones?
09:36 <+|amethyst> they're bigger
09:36 < Jevouse> aren't bullets heavier than stones
09:36 < Jevouse> says here specifically
09:36 < Ragdoll> woudnt a simple solution be to remove the empty tiles
09:36 < Jevouse> a small heavy projectile
09:36 <+|amethyst> stones are 1.5x the weight of bullets
09:36 < Ragdoll> or, alternatively, fill it with loot? i mean some loot tiles have two items on them
09:36 <+|amethyst> but weights are arbitrary, not realistic
09:37 <+|amethyst> I think of stones as being tennis-ball-sized, sling bullets as being more like pebbles
09:39 <+|amethyst> hm... zotvault 2 has a loot room you could theoretically get to without teleport
09:39 < Ragdoll> oh?
09:40 < Ragdoll> with lrd from the top?
09:40 < Ragdoll> or digging
09:41 <+|amethyst> the north wall of the heart (around the inner cusp) is one layer of stone, then rock behind that
09:41 <+|amethyst> so one lrd then digging
09:41 < Ragdoll> ah. that could be simply solved with some more unnaturally hard rocks though
09:42 <+|amethyst> yeah
09:42 <+|amethyst> there's still the problem of getting in and digging so you can intentionally crash
09:42 <+|amethyst> which can be solved with more unnaturally hard rock :)
09:43 <+|amethyst> zotvault4 just goes and uses X everywhere
09:43 <+|amethyst> that's one way to do it :)
09:43 < Ragdoll> haha.
09:44 <+|amethyst> oh, the loot rooms from the stair end of zotvault 1 are shatterable-into as well
09:45 < Ragdoll> by the time you have shatter that doesnt really seem like it would matter much :p
09:45 <+|amethyst> shatter or lrd, sorry
09:45 < Ragdoll> ah. i dont see why zotdef maps should be breakable at akk
09:46 < Ragdoll> unless we can summon rock walls, as long as it doesnt block pathfinding
09:46 < Ragdoll> for the true TD experience
09:46 <+|amethyst> well, s/[cx]/X/g was my thought
09:47 <+|amethyst> no need for special-cased code
09:47 <+|amethyst> so even if someone added summon rock wall, it would still be breakable
09:47 < HangedMan> would monsters move around bushes?
09:48 <+|amethyst> first I'll fix the lazy exploit in scenario V, though
09:48 <+|amethyst> hm
09:48 <+|amethyst> Ragdoll:  is the loot doubled on every square?
09:48 < Ragdoll> on some, i believe
09:48 <+|amethyst> hm
09:49 < Ragdoll> seems a bit random
09:49 <+|amethyst> not sure why that would happen
09:49 <+|amethyst> none or all I could understand
09:49 < Ragdoll> hangedman: to a point. if it clearly blocks it, that bush is going downnnnnnn
09:49 < Ragdoll> let me check for sure
09:49 < Ragdoll> im thinking all, then
09:49 < HangedMan> considering the stuff firing through bushes it'd be a neat late ability
09:50 <+|amethyst> see any problem with replacing those three floor tiles on each side with permaglass?
09:50 < Ragdoll> on each side?
09:50 <+|amethyst> yes
09:50 < Ragdoll> the outer parts seem looted, if i were to believe the ∆´s
09:50 < Ragdoll> oh nevermind i cannot read
09:50 < Ragdoll> yeah, that seems fine
09:50 <+|amethyst> yes, it's the three innermost cells that are loot-free
09:51 < Ragdoll> what does this stop, exactly?
09:51 <+|amethyst> 1. rtele into the loot vault
09:51 < Ragdoll> you cannot rtele, you have innate ctele
09:51 <+|amethyst> oh, rtele is disabled?
09:51 <+|amethyst> or the scrolls and wands never generate?
09:52 < Ragdoll> looks like it, even my disto unwield tele was ctele while confused
09:52 < Ragdoll> scrolls and wands can generate, and they get cteled
09:52 <+|amethyst> what if you ctele into a wall?
09:52 < Ragdoll> you get rteled
09:52 <+|amethyst> but then you could just end up in the loot vault anyway, I see
09:52 <+|amethyst> 2. no_rtele_into squares are specifically excluded from the pathfinding check.
09:53 <+|amethyst> those three tiles are not marked no_rtele_into
09:53 < Ragdoll> filling that up with glass would reduce the chances of crimson imps and other blinkable monsters from blinking into it
09:53 < Ragdoll> so yeah, still sounds good
09:55 < Ragdoll> also, who made that map? i dont see why the whole ´orb room´ is glassed, instead of a few of the inner tiles
09:55 <+|amethyst> might be something to do with monster AI
09:56 < Ragdoll> ah, that could be. with summons , the sumons and monsters still regurarely have stare-fights though
09:57 <+|amethyst> atomjack is the author, it appears
09:59 <+|amethyst> I guess there are reasons other than exploitation one might want to lrd or shatter
09:59 <+|amethyst> e.g. to change the paths
10:00 < Ragdoll> i was thinking about that, but that only gives you a disadvantage, i think
10:00 <+|amethyst> zotvault three has exactly four walls that aren't permarock
10:00 <+|amethyst> four tiles of wall, I mean
10:00 < Ragdoll> nice.
10:02 <+|amethyst> no idea why you'd want to dig them, but I guess a boring beeting digging them could be bad for you as it makes those chokepoints wider
10:02 < Ragdoll> boring beetles are the only monster than follow you, instead of the orb
10:03 <+|amethyst> btw, it appears it's not random which tiles get two items
10:04 <+|amethyst> it's the * cells
10:04 <+|amethyst> not sure *why* they're doubles
10:04 <+|amethyst> s/les/led/
10:04 <+|amethyst> e.kitem("* = star_item") ; e.kitem("| = superb_item")
10:05 <+|amethyst> for some reason the former is placing an extra item (beyond the normal item from *) while the latter is not
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10:06 <+|amethyst> one problem with changing all the walls to permarock is that it affects the look of the level
10:06 <+|amethyst> so I'll just surround the loot vaults
10:08 < Ragdoll> how so?
10:08 < Ragdoll> there are only two colours, purple/pink and glass
10:09 <+|amethyst> there's lightmagenta (rock and permarock) versus magenta (stone)
10:09 < Ragdoll> oh, now you mention it
10:10 < Ragdoll> only the second zotdef map uses this?
10:10 <+|amethyst> 1 and 2.  The last three are all permarock (except for those four squares in 3)
10:11 <+|amethyst> (and those four squares are rock, so the same colour)
10:11 < Ragdoll> ah.
10:12 <+|amethyst> hm, might have to shift two of the zotvault1 loot vaults to prevent LRD in
10:13 <+|amethyst> OTOH, if you do that it's no longer disconnected so the pathfinding stuff is irrelevant
10:16 < Ragdoll> alright, that´d be nice
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10:21 < Jevouse> eh
10:21 < Jevouse> that's weird
10:21 < Jevouse> |amethyst, hobgoblins are intelligent?
10:32  * Jevouse pokes |amethyst
10:36 < Jevouse> ahhh
10:36 < Jevouse> nevermind
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10:58 < Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.10-a0-3028-g3f8632f (32)
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11:09 < Reksch> Hmm, how does Nemelex determine whether card use is "wasteful"?
11:11 < Reksch> I got a message about wasteful card use when I fired a card at a zombie behind a lake of lava. The attack hit the zombie but smoke blocked my LOS immediately after
11:11 < Reksch> Or are zombies generally "non-kosher" targets?
11:14 < Ragdoll> pretty much if a enemy is in LOS newmelex is alright with it
11:15 < Ragdoll> maybe smoke hit you at a bad moment, or nemelex generaly doesnt care about ´harmless´ monsters
11:15 < Ragdoll> aka located behind glass, water etc. otherwise unreachable
11:15 < Reksch> Hm I think it's the latter
11:16 < HangedMan> would be rather silly to come up with criteria about whether or not something beyond water/lava is vulnerable
11:16 < Ragdoll> well, this is tension related i guess
11:16 < Ragdoll> so anything that can harm you has some tension, and thus not wasteful card use
11:16 < Ragdoll> for example eyes behind glass
11:16 < Ragdoll> or smiters(but not anymore)
11:18 <+|amethyst> it uses mons_is_safe
11:20 <+|amethyst> which uses mons_can_hurt_player, which returns false for monsters that can't reach the player
11:20 < Jevouse> does it take into account reaching
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11:21 <+|amethyst> hm
11:22 <+|amethyst> monsters that can't reach the player and can't use items
11:22 <+|amethyst> so if it could use a reaching weapon, it will be considered dangerous
11:23 <+|amethyst> also if it has a ranged attack it is considered to be able to reach the player
11:23 <+|amethyst> if something had built-in reaching without a weapon, it could still be false
11:23 <+|amethyst> this is in mantis, btw, as https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2908
11:24 <+|amethyst> oh wow
11:24 < Jevouse> built-in reaching without a weapon
11:24 < Jevouse> but currently there aren't any who can do that, right?
11:25 <+|amethyst> right
11:26 <+|amethyst> it looks like, other than plants and other 0-XP things, you could make it count as unsafe with a user lua function
11:30 < Jevouse> that's cool
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11:46 < CIA-112> edlothiol * re238b959ab01 /crawl-ref/source/tilereg-dgn.cc: Show the tile flavour in the wizmode dungeon tooltip.
11:46 < CIA-112> edlothiol * r93ffa54f8dec /crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc: Hopefully fix #4872 (black tiles in an abyss vault).
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11:48 <+kilobyte> Jevouse: snapping turtles
11:49 < Jevouse> ooohooh
11:49 < Jevouse> A BUG
11:49 < Jevouse> yeah
11:49 < Jevouse> damage : 30 (reaching)
11:49 < Jevouse> tsk
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11:52 < Jevouse> so if i used card as nemelex on snapping turtle behind lava
11:52 < Jevouse> i would still lose piety?
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12:32 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  have you taken a loot at my abyss changes, by any chance?
12:32 <+|amethyst> look
12:33 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  in particular, I'm wondering what to do about old saves drastically remorphing on the next tick; and about AKs starting out surrounded by walls
12:36 < CIA-112> |amethyst * r9c13ce40eb4e /crawl-ref/source/dat/des/zotdef/zotdef.des: Prevent zotdef summon crashes.
12:49 <+|amethyst> If anyone knows where to find the source for the Ashenzari bot, let me know 
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13:05 < Jevouse> |amethyst, just make AKs start on top of an exit?
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13:25 <+SamB> |amethyst: why isn't that rejected?
13:26 <+SamB> ... I thought the code arranged that the player start on an altar in LOS of an exit?
13:28 < Jevouse> in LOS , sure
13:28 < Jevouse> what if you get surrounded by glass though
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15:20 < Henzell> cdizzle the Sorcerer (L27 SpSk) ASSERT(you.can_pass_through_feat(grd(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 410 failed on turn 127368. (Geh:2)
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18:42 <+kilobyte> is there a point in Deformed Body having multiple levels?
18:43 <+kilobyte> looks like a remnant of the times when all mutations were hard-coded to three levels
18:44 < dtsund> Harder to cure higher levels?
18:47 <+kilobyte> that's the result, not the reason
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19:01 <+|amethyst> SamB:  the opposite, actually.  On an altar, with a portal within 10 squares but *not* visible
19:01 <+|amethyst> SamB:  but even if it were forced to be visible, there's still water
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19:14 <+|amethyst> Napkin:  when you're less busy, would it be possible to get a mantis project for the IRC bots?  Or is there already something we're supposed to be using for that?
19:14 <+|amethyst> 19:09:46 < chrisoelmueller> fr: crace should also sum up te and ke
19:15 < chrisoelmueller> could always use github's issue tracking i suppose
19:15 < chrisoelmueller> but that's meh
19:15 <+|amethyst> I'm not even sure which bots have the latest version on github and which on git.develz.org
19:16 < chrisoelmueller> hm the henzell project has a commit at DEC18: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell
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19:17 <+|amethyst> so it does
19:19 <+|amethyst> dgl and monster are newer on gdo
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19:54 < CIA-112> kilobyte * r6a1f11f46992 /crawl-ref/source/ (mutation-data.h mutation.cc tags.cc): Cap Deformed Body to a single level.
19:55 < CIA-112> kilobyte * r426775942ee1 /crawl-ref/source/ (effects.cc godabil.cc mon-place.cc mon-place.h mon-stuff.cc): Allow Fedhasites to sac corpses under friendly clouds.
19:55 < CIA-112> kilobyte * rc400abe5cd76 /crawl-ref/source/ (spl-book.cc spl-book.h): Correct a comment.
19:55 < CIA-112> kilobyte * rd057b7f39b74 /crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h mon-data.h mon-pick.cc monster.cc tilepick.cc): Schedule a small arithmetic accident for subtractor snakes.
19:55 < chrisoelmueller> hah nice message
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20:16 <+|amethyst> kilobyte:  I note the attack flavour is not scheduled for removal... is this intentional?
20:19 <+kilobyte> |amethyst: hey, look closer next time!  You forgot to chastise me for missing the colour as well! :p
20:20 <+|amethyst> :P
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20:24 <+|amethyst> there's nothing that stores the "original" feature a a grid (sans digging, etc.) is there?
20:25 <+|amethyst> making sure that I'm not being inefficient by computing the Worley noise twice on each abyss morph 
20:25 <+|amethyst> to fix digging
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20:27 <+|amethyst> galehar thinks abyss morphing speed should never be zero; comments?
20:28 <+|amethyst> I can easily make the minimum something like 1/10 or 1/5 the old speed
20:28 < Eronarn> agree
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20:42 < CIA-112> |amethyst abyss-changes-nfm * re49a48c88caf /crawl-ref/source/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into abyss-changes-nfm
20:42 < CIA-112> |amethyst abyss-changes-nfm * r9e78f50ba8cc /crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Allow digging etc. to work in the abyss.
20:42 < CIA-112> |amethyst abyss-changes-nfm * rf5f27680a8ab /crawl-ref/source/ (15 files): Merge branch 'master' into abyss-changes-nfm
20:42 < CIA-112> |amethyst abyss-changes-nfm * r2c990678cd0d /crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: The abyss is never still.
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20:56 < CIA-112> kilobyte * r499b009cc750 /crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h mon-enum.h mon-util.cc): Subtract more of subtractor stuff.
20:56 < CIA-112> kilobyte * rdc4d527288e8 /crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Fix compilation in C++11 mode.
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21:09 <+|amethyst> is there a function to tell whether two coord_pos are reachable from one another?
21:09 <+|amethyst> without actually moving, so travel_pathfind is out
21:10 <+|amethyst> I guess monster_pathfind works?
21:39 <+|amethyst> yes it does
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21:52 < CIA-112> |amethyst abyss-changes-nfm * r0a6d6eae9ba5 /crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Ensure the abyss exit is reachable for AKs.
21:52 < CIA-112> |amethyst abyss-changes-nfm * r326293dd04d2 /crawl-ref/source/ (colour.cc colour.h itemname.cc mon-enum.h mon-util.cc): Merge branch 'master' into abyss-changes-nfm
21:55 <+|amethyst> any objections to putting that into master now that the worst bugs are fixed?
21:56 <+|amethyst> the big remaining one is a jarring shift on loading old saves in the abyss, and I don't think that's fixable
21:57 <+|amethyst> without having two copies of the code
21:57 <+evilmike> I tried it offline and it looks pretty good. How bad is the save loading thing? Unless it kills characters or otherwise ends a game, its probably not worth worrying about
21:58 <+|amethyst> it should just change the types of non-floor features, and make some of them into floor
21:58 <+|amethyst> shallow water could become a wall
21:58 <+|amethyst> but not where the player is standing
21:58 <+|amethyst> a player standing in shallow water could find herself completely surrounded by walls
21:58 <+|amethyst> but waiting will make those morph away
21:58 <+evilmike> surrounded by walls isn't a problem, yeah
21:59 <+evilmike> sounds like a nonissue to me
22:00 <+|amethyst> okay, rebased and pushed.
22:02 < CIA-112> |amethyst * ra00d525097be /crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Allow digging etc. to work in the abyss.
22:02 < CIA-112> |amethyst * ra8372fa53302 /crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Make abyss somewhat more open, much less liquid.
22:02 < CIA-112> |amethyst * rb0a32f61b0bc /crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: The abyss is never still.
22:02 < CIA-112> |amethyst * r2336e4d9c7b0 /crawl-ref/source/ (abyss.cc abyss.h tag-version.h tags.cc): Abyssal punctuated equilibrium.
22:02 < CIA-112> |amethyst * rc0c22ddf76be /crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Ensure the abyss exit is reachable for AKs.
22:04 <+|amethyst> HangedMan:  theoretically in about 12.5 hours, but autoupdate still seems to be broken
22:04 <+|amethyst> oop
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22:06 <+|amethyst> rax:  autoupdates still seem to be broken: CAO hasn't updated since your manual update on the 29th
22:06 <+|amethyst> rax:  I've gtg for a bit; thanks in advance
22:10 <@rax> will take a look
22:11 <@rax> ...I show a successful build
22:11 <@rax> hrm
22:12 <@rax> Running one manually, anyway
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22:36 < Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.10-a0-3042-gc0c22dd (32)
23:00 <+|amethyst> rax:  thanks
23:00 <+|amethyst> rax:  you were right
23:00 <@rax> What about?
23:00 <+|amethyst> it had built successfully
23:00 <+|amethyst> I mis-grepped my logs
23:01 <+|amethyst> I was grepping through 2011-12-2* :)
23:02 <@rax> Hah :P
23:02 <+|amethyst> much appreciated, though
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23:06 <@rax> 'sall good!
23:10 <+|amethyst> ah, my fix for abyss digging mostly fixed the old save problem anyway
23:10 <+|amethyst> I didn't even consider that side benefit
23:11 <+evilmike> one (fairly unrelated) thing I just thought of. Maybe when the abyss teleports you to a new region, it should print a message
23:11 <+evilmike> right now when the abyss does that, it is just a kind of jarring shift. I'm not sure if it even needs to do that any more but it's weird how it has no message imo...
23:14 <+|amethyst> What would a good message be?  "The abyss shifts and reforms around you!" ?
23:15 <+|amethyst> also, what message channel?
23:15 <+|amethyst> MSGCH_BANISHMENT ?
23:16 <+evilmike> my first thought was "The abyss violently shifts around you!" or "You are suddenly pulled into a different region of the abyss!"
23:16 <+evilmike> the latter might be better because it's really more like a teleport
23:17 <+|amethyst> monsters and vaults come along, right?
23:17 <+|amethyst> and items
23:19 <+evilmike> I think it just generates a new abyss region... vaults aren't dragged with you as far as I can tell
23:19 <+|amethyst> we're talking about abyss_area_shift, right?
23:22 <+evilmike> looks like it yeah. I guess it takes monsters and items with you then
23:23 <+|amethyst> It's supposed to move in-LOS vaults, too
23:23 <+|amethyst> out-of-LOS vaults are destroyed
23:24 <+evilmike> well, I'm standing in the abyss beside a vault and just mashing 5 for several thousand turns
23:25 <+evilmike> vault doesn't come with me
23:25 <+|amethyst> hmm
23:27 <+|amethyst> there is definitely code to bring along the vaults
23:27 <+|amethyst> wonder what's going on
23:28 <+evilmike> vaults definitely aren't affected by the gradual morphing of the abyss, so at least that works
23:30 <+|amethyst> sure enough
23:30 <+|amethyst> hmm
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23:39 <+evilmike> alright so resting for a long time in a vault is a bit interesting. seems items and monsters aren't actually being dragged with me (tried it next to a rune)
23:40 <+evilmike> the resting is interrupted with "Activity interrupt: teleport"
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23:42 <+evilmike> interesting thing is i'm not getting this message:     dprf("area_shift() - player at pos (%d, %d)",
23:42 <+evilmike>          you.pos().x, you.pos().y);
23:43 <+evilmike> soo... I have no idea what's going on there, this is the first time I've really looked at abyss.cc
23:43 <+|amethyst> and you did build with FULLDEBUG or DEBUG_DIAGNOSTICS I presume?
23:43 <+evilmike> fulldebug, yeah
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23:59 <+|amethyst> oh, hm
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