--- Log opened Fri Dec 16 00:00:05 2011 00:09 ۰۰-- agolden [~agolden@c-71-198-250-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12 < agolden> is there some documentation available explaining crawl's character color system? Crawl appears to support a greater variety of colors than the standard ASCII ones, and I'd like to see how it works. 00:13 < agolden> err, I mean the ANSI escape colors, like here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code#Colors 00:13 <+|amethyst> it just uses those 16 00:15 ۰۰-- valrus [~valrus@c-24-22-184-108.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21 < Eronarn> agolden: crawl's 'extra' colors are stuff like 'flicker between red and darkred', is that what you meant? 00:22 < agolden> Eronarn: I think I was just confused by colour.h---I thought the large enum at the top was the set of colors used. 00:22 < agolden> Eronarn: it looks like each of those schemes maps to a set of colors, so I can see why there are a lot of them. 00:22 <+|amethyst> yeah 00:23 <+|amethyst> see init_element_colours in colour.cc to see which real colours go with etch ETC_ colour 00:23 < agolden> |amethyst: thanks! 00:24 <+|amethyst> (also weights... e.g. bone is white:lightgrey in a 90:30 ratio) 00:24 <+|amethyst> s/etch/each/ 00:25 ۰۰-- Pacra [~Pacra@c-68-44-35-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:28 < agolden> |amethyst: those weights reflect the probability of using each color, right? So bones will be white with probability 90/(90+30) and light grey with probability 30/(90+30) is that correct? 00:28 <+|amethyst> yes, each turn 00:28 <+|amethyst> so they flicker, as Eronarn said 00:29 <+|amethyst> s/turn/redraw/ 00:33 < agolden> |amethyst: thanks for explaining that, I think I understand how it works now. 00:33 ۰۰-- agolden is now known as agolden_afk 00:36 <+|amethyst> and some, like ETC_TORNADO an ETC_ORB_GLOB, are even more special :) 00:37 <+|amethyst> s/ an / and / # I can't type tonight 00:49 ۰۰-- Pacra [~Pacra@c-68-44-35-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53 ۰۰-- wcunning [~wcunning@c-68-40-204-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55 < wcunning> has anyone gotten crawl to compile for Fedora 16? 00:55 < wcunning> first of all, the packages required for tiles are all different names and I don't know what to even search for pkg-config 00:56 < wcunning> and, when I attempt to make I get the following error 00:56 < wcunning> make: *** contrib: No such file or directory. Stop. 00:56 < wcunning> make: *** [.contrib-libs] Error 2 00:56 < wcunning> so if anyone has suggestions, they would be appreciated 00:57 <+SamB_> wcunning: I think that's because you haven't managed to track down all the required packages 00:58 < wcunning> probably true 00:58 <+SamB_> if you do track them down, we'd be happy to list them in the instructions 00:58 < wcunning> ok 00:58 < wcunning> well then the adventure begins 00:58 < wcunning> does anyone here know of a good debian package names -> rpm package names database? 01:01 ۰۰-- ainsophyao [~ainsophya@wl003.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02 < agolden_afk> wcunning: it sounds to me like you haven't checked out the submodules. 01:02 ۰۰-- agolden_afk is now known as agolden 01:02 < wcunning> I just downloaded the source tarball, sans deps 01:02 < wcunning> do I really need the one with deps? 01:03 < Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2801-g30c49c2 (32) 01:03 ۰۰-- valrus_ [~valrus@c-24-22-184-108.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03 < agolden> wcunning: not sure, but it sounds like make is just bailing out as soon as it sees that contrib doesn't exist. 01:04 < wcunning> that's definitely what's happening 01:04 < wcunning> but I couldn't find a ./configure to generate contrib for me 01:04 <+|amethyst> I've built without checking out the submodules before... not from a tarball though 01:05 ۰۰-- Zaba [~zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:06 ۰۰-- ainsophyao [~ainsophya@wl004j.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp] has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06 <+|amethyst> I guess that's probably because pkgconfig isn't being found 01:08 <+|amethyst> you're not setting CROSSHOST, are you? 01:08 < wcunning> I did tar -xvf 01:08 < wcunning> and then cd stone-soup/source 01:08 < wcunning> and then make 01:08 <+|amethyst> hm 01:08 < wcunning> and got that error 01:10 < wcunning> according to the build docs (INSTALL.txt) 01:11 < agolden> wcunning: well, you could try modifying the Makefile, just to see if you have all the libraries that would be included in contribs. 01:11 < agolden> wcunning: add a line "CONTRIBS=" right before EXTRA_OBJECTS += version.o 01:11 ۰۰-- MarvinPA_ [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v MarvinPA_] by ChanServ 01:12 < wcunning> ^ according to INSTALL.txt, I should only need ncurses to build the console version, which is what I'm going for first 01:12 <+|amethyst> hm... I'm not seeing what in the makefile would cause it to build contribs if you didn't ask for it (except on windows and cross-compiling) 01:12 <+|amethyst> wcunning: you need some of the other libraries if you're not building the dependencies yourself 01:13 < wcunning> mmk 01:13 <+SamB_> |amethyst: I thought it would try to do that whenever it couldn't locate the needed libraries? 01:13 < wcunning> well, I have all of what would be in build-essential 01:13 < wcunning> and I got what Fedora refers to as ncurses 01:14 < agolden> wcunning: do you see a line like "* Need to build contribs: zlib lua/src sqlite" when you run make? 01:14 ۰۰-- MarvinPA [~MarvinPA@85.210.107.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:14 < wcunning> nope 01:14 <+SamB_> wcunning: you'll need ncurses-dev 01:15 < wcunning> I have ncurses-devel and ncurses-devel.i686 01:15 < wcunning> I pasted the entire make output 01:15 <+|amethyst> let's see... libsqlite3-dev => sqlite-devel libz-dev => zlib-devel liblua5.1-0-dev => lua-devel 01:16 <+|amethyst> and you are likely to need pcre-devel as well 01:17 <+SamB_> hmm, I'm pretty sure that you don't need that 01:17 <+|amethyst> oh, you don't? 01:17 <+SamB_> it seems that POSIX regular expressions are good enough 01:18 <+|amethyst> aha, I guess it's for Windows etc 01:18 <+SamB_> yeah, MSVCRT doesn't exactly implement POSIX regular expressions 01:18 <+SamB_> of course, it's not forbidden (afaik) to use PCRE on Linux, if you want ... 01:19 < Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2801-g30c49c2 01:21 < wcunning> mmk 01:22 < wcunning> I'm working out a complete list of packages with Fedora names 01:31 ۰۰-- Zaba [~zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba] has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v Zaba] by ChanServ 01:33 < wcunning> ok 01:33 < wcunning> I think that I have a list, now to attempt to install and compile 01:37 < wcunning> ok 01:37 < wcunning> my list works for console build 01:41 < wcunning> but apparently not for tiles 01:43 <+|amethyst> SDL_image-devel, SDL-devel, and freetype-devel 01:43 ۰۰-- agolden [~agolden@c-71-198-250-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: agolden] 01:43 <+|amethyst> most of those -devel packages depend on pkgconfig anyway, so no need to include that explicitly 01:45 < wcunning> I installed those 01:45 ۰۰-- ZChris13 [~ZChris13@130.127.255.232] has quit [Quit: goodnight] 01:46 <+|amethyst> any different errors now? or the same thing about contribs? 01:46 < wcunning> different errors 01:46 < wcunning> got console compiled and working 01:46 < wcunning> installed everything 01:46 < wcunning> figured out what the equivalencies were 01:46 < wcunning> pasting in make output now 01:46 < wcunning> [wcunning@mycroft-holmes source]$ make -j8 TILES=y 01:46 < wcunning> which: no advpng in (/usr/lib64/ccache:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/home/wcunning/.local/bin:/home/wcunning/bin) 01:46 < wcunning> which: no pngcrush in (/usr/lib64/ccache:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/home/wcunning/.local/bin:/home/wcunning/bin) 01:46 < wcunning> GEN art-data.h 01:46 < wcunning> * rebuilding crawl: new build flags or prefix 01:46 < wcunning> GEN mon-mst.h 01:46 ۰۰-- wcunning [~wcunning@c-68-40-204-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 01:47 <@due> "lol". 01:47 <@due> !tell kilobyte be my guest! re: bats 01:47 < Henzell> due: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 01:47 ۰۰-- wcunning [~wcunning@c-68-40-204-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47 < wcunning> back 01:47 < wcunning> so that's what I got 01:47 <@due> Paste spamming like that is useless. 01:47 <@due> Use pastebin. 01:48 < wcunning> I'm unfamiliar with that 01:48 < wcunning> and it's only like 10 lines in my terminal 01:48 < wcunning> so I didn't think it was that bad 01:48 < wcunning> my apologies 01:48 <@due> That's still ten lines in a second, which is a lot. 01:48 < wcunning> ah 01:48 < wcunning> ok 01:48 <@due> But more significantly exceeds the network's limitations. 01:48 <@due> Which is what kicked you off the server. 01:48 < wcunning> I'm a bit of an IRC newbie 01:48 < wcunning> so you might have to bear with me in that regard 01:49 <@due> :) 01:49 < wcunning> anyhow 01:49 <@due> go to pastebin.com or whatever, paste there, and then link us instead 01:49 < wcunning> kk 01:49 < wcunning> will do in the future 01:49 < wcunning> but in the meantime, what does anyone know about missing png.h 01:49 < wcunning> ? 01:49 <+|amethyst> the last line we saw was "GEN mon-mst.h" 01:50 < wcunning> hm 01:50 < wcunning> k 01:50 < wcunning> will pastebin 01:50 <@due> missing png.h implies you don't have libpng? 01:51 <+|amethyst> huh? I didn't see anything about missing png.h 01:51 <+|amethyst> oh 01:51 <+|amethyst> It wasn't in the paste 01:51 < wcunning> http://pastebin.com/WBC9yyyt 01:52 < wcunning> the last execution was error: missing png.h 01:54 <+|amethyst> libpng-devel but I'm kind of surprised SDL_image-devel didn't depend on it 01:55 <+|amethyst> but sure enough, it does not 01:55 < wcunning> does that dependency exist in Debian/Ubuntu? 01:56 <+|amethyst> in Debian libsdl-image1.2-dev Depends: libpng12-dev 01:56 < wcunning> mmk 01:56 < wcunning> well then I've added it to the list 01:56 < wcunning> and I'll send that through as soon as I have confirmation that this works, but I'm pretty sure that it will 01:57 < wcunning> gah 01:57 < wcunning> SDL 01:57 < wcunning> it hates NVidia TwinView 01:57 < wcunning> oh well 01:57 <+|amethyst> spans both screens? 01:57 < wcunning> yep 01:58 < wcunning> I'm having that issue with Dungeons of Dredmor as well 01:58 <+|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3668 01:58 < wcunning> it's a known failing of SDL 01:58 < wcunning> ah you have a way to set it 01:59 < wcunning> in Dredmor, you have to edit xorg.conf to add in metamodes corresponding to the resolutions you care about 01:59 < wcunning> which would work here as well, I think 01:59 < wcunning> but I just ran Dredmor on my Wintendo after that 01:59 <+|amethyst> yeah, the "way to set it" means you won't be fullscreen 01:59 < wcunning> anyhow 02:00 < wcunning> so, how should I submit the list of necessary packages to you guys? 02:00 <+|amethyst> file a bug report on Mantis with category 'Documentation' 02:00 <+|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/bug_report_page.php You'll need to make an account 02:01 < wcunning> ok 02:01 < wcunning> will do 02:01 <+|amethyst> thanks 02:01 < wcunning> now that I have this compiled and running again in F16 02:01 < wcunning> one of my personal projects over my Christmas Break from university 02:02 < wcunning> will be to look into packaging for http://www.desura.com/about 02:02 < wcunning> and for the Open Build Service 02:02 < wcunning> so that you can provide debs, rpms and whatever Arch uses 02:02 < wcunning> I think they even do slack packages, but I wouldn't swear to it 02:03 < wcunning> I'm using Crawl as my learning experience (read: guinea pig) for packaging 02:03 ۰۰-- agolden [~agolden@c-71-198-250-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 02:03 < wcunning> who should I be keeping up to date on this and where and how should I be doing it? 02:04 ۰۰-- Pacra [~Pacra@c-68-44-35-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:08 ۰۰-- MarvinPA_ [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:08 ۰۰-- MarvinPA_ [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v MarvinPA_] by ChanServ 02:10 < wcunning> bug submitted 02:11 ۰۰-- valrus [~valrus@c-24-22-184-108.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:12 ۰۰-- Pacra [~Pacra@c-68-44-35-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17 <+|amethyst> Thanks... I looked over the Desura stuff and I'm not sure it would be a good fit for Crawl (it seems kind of oriented towards closed source Windows stuff, they want "a high quality video trailer", ...), but other devs might disagree. Also, submissions have to be approved, and I'm not sure they accept third-party submissions 02:18 < wcunning> they in fact do 02:18 < wcunning> (Dwarf Fortress is on there) 02:18 < wcunning> and it has Linux support 02:18 < wcunning> I'm trying to push more of the good open source games toward that kind of release environment 02:19 < wcunning> in no small part because I want to encourage use of Linux 02:21 ۰۰-- mikee_ [~test@209-6-146-94.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:27 ۰۰-- Pacra [~Pacra@c-68-44-35-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:29 ۰۰-- mikee_ [~test@209-6-146-94.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##crawl-dev 02:31 ۰۰-- valrus_ [~valrus@c-24-22-184-108.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:32 < wcunning> in fact, it would appear the DCSS is already up on IndieDB 02:32 < wcunning> so 02:32 < wcunning> whoever owns that page can publish on Desura with minimal effort 02:32 < wcunning> and apparently near-auto approval 02:32 < wcunning> or I would be willing to put the work in 02:33 <+|amethyst> that entry is a few versions old :) 02:33 < wcunning> yep 02:34 < wcunning> so I'll attempt to contact whoever is currently in possession of it 02:34 ۰۰-- mikee_ [~test@209-6-146-94.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:34 < wcunning> but basically it's steam for Linux/Mac/Windows, sans DRM 02:34 < wcunning> which makes it perfect for releasing crawl to people who don't want to work for installing a game 02:35 < wcunning> crawl is a little unique in the many play on someone else's box methods 02:35 < wcunning> but 02:35 < wcunning> in general I would like to have it on Desura 02:35 < wcunning> SamB will remember our long conversation on here 02:36 < wcunning> where I extolled the virtues of wide distribution 02:44 ۰۰-- ainsophyao [~ainsophya@wl004j.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47 ۰۰-- dtsund [opera@18.189.121.30] has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:51 ۰۰-- ainsophyao [~ainsophya@wl003.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp] has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51 ۰۰-- wcunning [~wcunning@c-68-40-204-159.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left ##crawl-dev [] 03:01 ۰۰-- monqy [~swell@pool-71-102-226-192.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hello] 03:19 ۰۰-- syllogism [syllogism@88-148-181-130.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20 ۰۰-- ainsophyao [~ainsophya@wl003.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55 ۰۰-- st__ [~s@cpc10-stre5-2-0-cust69.1-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56 ۰۰-- st_ [~s@cpc10-stre5-2-0-cust69.1-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:31 ۰۰-- valrus [~valrus@c-24-22-184-108.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 04:36 ۰۰-- valrus [~valrus@c-24-22-184-108.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:37 ۰۰-- MarvinPA_ [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:44 ۰۰-- st__ is now known as st_ 05:05 <+kilobyte> |amethyst: do you have a clue whether that list of Fedora dependencies is good enough? 05:05 <+kilobyte> it'd be good to list that in INSTALL.txt 05:32 ۰۰-- ainsophyao [~ainsophya@wl003.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:33 < CIA-54> kilobyte * raf4a5b1402c2 /crawl-ref/source/l_crawl.cc: Let lua's crawl.is_tiles() know whether the controller plays tiles. 05:33 < CIA-54> kilobyte * r80e07c576359 /crawl-ref/source/ (26 files): Fix most of data loss of tile information in console games. 05:36 ۰۰-- agolden [~agolden@c-71-198-250-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: agolden] 05:50 < CIA-54> kilobyte * r10e07ed4cfb0 /crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Expand the description of Wiglaf. 05:54 ۰۰-- Fangorn_ [~anonymous@fl-71-55-185-4.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Quit: Fangorn_] 06:00 < Gretell> OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2801-g30c49c2 06:06 ۰۰-- ainsophy_ [~ainsophya@wl003.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06 ۰۰-- ainsophyao [~ainsophya@wl003.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:27 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v Keskitalo] by ChanServ 06:28 ۰۰-- ainsophy_ [~ainsophya@wl003.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:49 ۰۰-- MarvinPA_ [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:49 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v MarvinPA_] by ChanServ 07:38 ۰۰-- MarvinPA [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v MarvinPA] by ChanServ 07:41 ۰۰-- MarvinPA_ [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:47 ۰۰-- alefury [~alefury@rock.fkp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:57 ۰۰-- Ragdoll [~Ragdoll@53518A17.cm-6-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06 ۰۰-- ainsophyao [~ainsophya@h175-177-004-046.catv02.itscom.jp] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08 ۰۰-- MarvinPA [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08 ۰۰-- MarvinPA [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v MarvinPA] by ChanServ 08:13 ۰۰-- the_glow1 [~the_glow@host86-135-158-72.range86-135.btcentralplus.com] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14 ۰۰-- the_glow [~the_glow@host86-174-152-159.range86-174.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19 ۰۰-- G-Flex [swimswim@ip70-188-164-236.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29 ۰۰-- Cryp71c [~Cryp71c@adsl-065-013-247-238.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v Cryp71c] by ChanServ 08:41 ۰۰-- MarvinPA_ [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v MarvinPA_] by ChanServ 08:42 ۰۰-- ais523 [~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43 ۰۰-- MarvinPA [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:31 ۰۰-- RichardHawk [~RichardHa@a91-156-239-33.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:34 ۰۰-- evilmike [~evilmike@66.183.151.151] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v evilmike] by ChanServ 09:43 < Gretell> magistern (L18 DsCK) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2487 failed. (Shoals:2) 09:47 ۰۰-- ainsophyao [~ainsophya@h175-177-004-046.catv02.itscom.jp] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47 <+|amethyst> kilobyte: I doubt kernel-devel is necessary 09:49 <+|amethyst> kilobyte: there's also glibc-devel, but gcc depends on that so it shouldn't be necessary to specify explicitly 09:49 <+|amethyst> kilobyte: I don't have a Fedora machine to test on, though 09:50 <+|amethyst> kilobyte: I could try setting up a VM (later) 09:52 <+edlothiol> I'm on Fedora, don't know how exactly to test this though 09:53 <+|amethyst> uninstall everything else :) 09:54 <+|amethyst> does Fedora have anything equivalent to debootstrap (set up a new environment in a chroot)? 09:55 <+edlothiol> removed kernel-devel, I can still compile 09:55 <+edlothiol> I have no idea ;) 10:04 <+edlothiol> found something called mock, trying it now 10:06 <+|amethyst> my download is still going :) 10:09 <+edlothiol> ok, console build seems to be working now with bison, flex, ncurses-devel, lua-devel, sqlite-devel and zlib-devel 10:09 <+|amethyst> did one of those pull in gcc and g++ ? 10:10 <+|amethyst> err, gcc-c++ 10:11 <+edlothiol> no... maybe that was automatically installed when setting up the chroot :/ 10:11 <+|amethyst> I've got a VM booted to a live cd now 10:14 <+|amethyst> hmm... the downloads page on develz has 0.9.0 as the source tarball... shouldn't that be 0.9.1 ? 10:16 ۰۰-- HughBorg [9e3bc0ff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.158.59.192.255] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16 <+edlothiol> huh, isn't it named stone_soup-0.9.1.tar.bz2? 10:17 <+|amethyst> maybe there was another link I skipped 10:17 <+edlothiol> I used the one on http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/downloads next to source code 10:17 <+|amethyst> oh, right at the top 10:17 <+edlothiol> oh indeed, under getting the source it links to 0.9 10:19 <+edlothiol> Napkin: the tarball link under "Getting the source" on the CDO downloads page links to 0.9.0 instead of 0.9.1 10:20 <+|amethyst> argh, my vm crashed 10:20 <+Napkin> pity! 10:20 <+Napkin> will fix later ;) 10:20 <+|amethyst> but add gcc, gcc-c++, and make to the list (one of those pulls in binutils) 10:20 <+edlothiol> yeah, it's not that important, just wanted to let you know ;) 10:20 <+|amethyst> probably just gcc-c++ and make 10:23 <+|amethyst> I think maybe 1GB isn't enough for Fedora anymore, at least for the live CD 10:27 <+|amethyst> yeah, I'm not having any luck here... ran yum, and now it's spinning at 100% CPU but not responding to clicks 10:27 <+|amethyst> "it" = the VM, not necessarily yum 10:29 < HughBorg> So there are two files in the C++ to lua files in the source that are related to monsters, l_moninf.cc and l_mons.cc. If I access a monster in a lua script using monster.get_monster_at(x, y), is it possible to access the functions/variables listed in l_mons.cc or am I restricted to the l_moninf.cc functions, since that's where get_monster_at is, and if I am restricted to l_moninf, how do I access the functions in the l_mons.cc 10:32 <+|amethyst> Unless I'm mistaken, the stuff in l_mons.cc isn't intended to be accessed by client code 10:33 <+edlothiol> yes, I think l_moninf is monster from lua and accessible from clua, l_mons is mons in lua and only accessible from dlua 10:33 < HughBorg> Mmm, well I guess that explains that one. Thanks. 10:34 < HughBorg> Alrighty, thanks for the info 10:34 <+Zaba> keep in mind that clua is a subset of dlua 10:34 <+|amethyst> there are a few functions in l_mons that don't have ASSERT_DLUA but I'm not sure how you'd get to those 10:35 < G-Flex> is it intended that the tier 2 fire facet protects you from flame clouds, but *not* steam clouds? 10:37 < Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2804-g10e07ed (32) 10:38 < alefury> MarvinPA_: ^^ 10:39 < alefury> i think that was his? 10:39 <+elliptic> yeah 10:40 <+elliptic> it does seem like that facet possibly should give steam cloud immunity, since it can produce them... 10:47 < HughBorg> In moninf there is an "is" function. It looks like the value for is_safe is found using is(MB_SAFE) is it possible to use the "is" function in a script taking the argument of another MB_ variable, such as MB_INVISIBLE, or is that not how that works? 10:48 <+elliptic> that works, but you need to look up the numerical value of MB_INVISIBLE 10:48 <+elliptic> which looks like 12 10:48 < HughBorg> ooooh okay, thanks 10:50 ۰۰-- HughBorg [9e3bc0ff@gateway/web/freenode/ip.158.59.192.255] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:53 <+MarvinPA_> or having one level of rF could just give steam resistance 10:56 < alefury> well, theres stuff like fire elementals, who maybe should take damage from steam (less oxygen ==> less fire), but not from fire 10:57 < alefury> other than that it makes a lot of sense 10:58 <+|amethyst> right now it uses player_res_fire()/2 10:59 <+MarvinPA_> hm, and some stuff gives 2 levels of steam res and some gives one level but elsewhere it claims that any number of levels is immunity 11:01 <+|amethyst> steam *cloud* immunity from any res_steam 11:02 <+MarvinPA_> oh right, yeah 11:02 <+MarvinPA_> still seems weird 11:03 <+|amethyst> maybe (player_res_fire() + 1)/2 or player_res_fire() ? 1 : 0 11:03 <+MarvinPA_> i guess the impact damage is sort of noticeable on early smoke demons and such 11:03 ۰۰-- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:03 <+|amethyst> depending on whether you want rF+++ to give rSteam++ 11:05 <+MarvinPA> that looks good, yeah 11:06 <+MarvinPA> the first one, that is 11:06 <+MarvinPA> oh, and i was looking into #5068 11:07 <+MarvinPA> any preference on whether it'd be better to make all hell exit portals un-mimicable, or just the hell:7 ones? 11:08 <+evilmike> I'd say make exits (and stairs) placed by vaults un-mimicable... so that mostly applies to hell:7 11:08 <+|amethyst> that one wasnt placed by the vault, was it? 11:09 <+evilmike> correct 11:09 <+MarvinPA> it was placed randomly to replace the portal that got mimicked 11:09 <+|amethyst> aha 11:09 <+evilmike> what sometimes happens in vaults is that a stair (or portal) will get mimicked. But then, the level won't have enough stairs, so a real stair gets randomly placed on the map 11:09 <+evilmike> and that can screw up the flow of a lot of levels 11:10 <+MarvinPA> hmm... right now it's done by just excluding things that are tagged no_mimic 11:10 <+MarvinPA> and anything else is fair game 11:10 <+|amethyst> is connectivity still guaranteed when that happens? 11:10 <+evilmike> I just think it would be better to exempt all vault stairs from mimicking. I cant think of any cases where that actually helps a vault 11:10 <+MarvinPA> not sure how easy it'd be to prevent all stairs/portals that are placed by vaults from being mimicked, but that does sound like a better solution 11:10 ۰۰-- ZChris13 [~ZChris13@130.127.255.232] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11 ۰۰-- st_ [~s@cpc10-stre5-2-0-cust69.1-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:11 <+MarvinPA> oh i suppose in hell's case they're placed as stairs and then replaced with portals 11:11 <+evilmike> yeah 11:12 <+evilmike> that's why every level has at least 3 portals to the vestibule. Escape hatches also become portals 11:13 <+Napkin> edlothiol: fixed by removing the link ;) 11:13 <+|amethyst> Can't you have mapdef.cc add the property automatically whenever it places a stair 11:15 <+MarvinPA> oh hm, escape hatches that are placed by vaults are already excluded 11:15 <+MarvinPA> could just extend that to stone staircases? 11:15 <+Zaba> it tries to preserve vault stairs 11:15 <+Zaba> and only changes them somehow if connectivity cannot be ensured without changing them 11:18 <+Zaba> it even dprfs a message when it fails to preserve vault stairs 11:25 < G-Flex> it does seem like that facet possibly should give steam cloud immunity, since it can produce them... 11:26 < G-Flex> it also leads to the very curious situation of standing in a flame cloud being safer than standing *near* the flame cloud 11:34 < G-Flex> so: the firey blood part of the fire facet is pretty fun, the only major annoyance I've noticed so far is that (at least in console) it's hard to tell when fire is showing up when you/an enemy is standing in it (which is often the case) 11:35 ۰۰-- alefury [~alefury@rock.fkp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20110929064733]] 11:36 <+evilmike> Zaba: the issue here is encompass vaults... this has even happened on tomb:3 before 11:37 <+evilmike> so if it's changing them in those levels for connectivity reasons, something weird is going on 11:37 <+Zaba> yes 11:37 <+MarvinPA> hmm 11:38 <+|amethyst> for encompass levels, you could select a non-vault-masked square when placing the replacement 11:38 <+MarvinPA> so i'm crashing every time i reload a game saved in a hell branch 11:38 <+MarvinPA> this is new 11:38 <+MarvinPA> or is it just the fault of &~ 11:39 <+elliptic> it is the fault of &~ 11:39 <+MarvinPA> ah 11:52 ۰۰-- MarvinPA [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52 ۰۰-- MarvinPA [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.129] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v MarvinPA] by ChanServ 11:55 ۰۰-- ainsophyao [~ainsophya@h175-177-004-046.catv02.itscom.jp] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00 < CIA-54> MarvinPA * r41d17e86c4dd /crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/branches/temple.des dungeon.cc): Don't mimic staircases placed by vaults 12:00 < CIA-54> MarvinPA * r72c492bb7e12 /crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Make one level of player rF give steam resistance too 12:01 < G-Flex> not a bad idea since steam might as well do no damage at rF+ anyway 12:02 <+evilmike> I'm going to start using rF in swamp and shoals for steam resistance 12:04 <+|amethyst> MarvinPA: what about monsters? 12:05 <+MarvinPA> oh, i thought they already got steam immunity with any amount of rF 12:05 <+|amethyst> they use the same formula 12:05 <+MarvinPA> yeah 12:06 <+MarvinPA> i'll change that too 12:07 <+|amethyst> also, and I realise this would have been a problem before, doesn't it need to be capped at 3? 12:08 <+|amethyst> I guess resist_adjust_damage still works if it's > 3 12:09 <+MarvinPA> that'd make sense for consistency at least, though 12:14 ۰۰-- casmith789 [~casmith78@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14 ۰۰-- moxian [~moxian@89.249.164.198] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32 ۰۰-- agolden [~agolden@c-71-198-250-8.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32 < CIA-54> dolorous * r952afcade9cd /crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Reword Wiglaf description a bit. 12:32 ۰۰-- Pacra [~Pacra@c-68-44-35-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33 ۰۰-- valrus [~valrus@c-76-104-241-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37 ۰۰-- valrus [~valrus@c-76-104-241-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:39 < moxian> are ghost supposed to spawn in vaults? 12:42 <+evilmike> sure 12:42 < moxian> okay, that's no bug then 12:44 ۰۰-- alefury [~galefury@B4115.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48 ۰۰-- Wop [~Wop___@c-68-59-49-197.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 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16:44 <+evilmike> I'd guess that list used to be 100, but something new got added 16:45 <+evilmike> then again it's not like ammo is the only thing that does that 16:53 < CIA-54> |amethyst * rfe998c410e4c /crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt: Add Fedora dependency list (wcunning). 16:53 ۰۰-- Pacra [~Pacra@c-68-44-35-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:40 < CIA-54> evilmike * rf8ada84d0ec5 /crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Fix two more vaults broken by the recent glass changes. 17:54 ۰۰-- Ragdoll [~Ragdoll@53518A17.cm-6-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Up, up and away!] 18:06 ۰۰-- ais523 [~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12 ۰۰-- edlothiol [~edlothiol@81-64-155-196.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:19 ۰۰-- moxian [~moxian@89.249.164.198] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:35 ۰۰-- medgno [~medgno@c-75-72-238-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37 ۰۰-- 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timeout: 268 seconds] 20:33 ۰۰-- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 20:34 ۰۰-- valrus [~valrus@c-76-104-241-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38 < CIA-54> kilobyte * r4375bc79c333 /crawl-ref/source/dat/database/quotes.txt: A quote for hell knights. 20:38 < CIA-54> kilobyte * r811ba90c25e8 /crawl-ref/source/rltiles/tool/tile.cc: Fix the rltile tool for SDL 1.3. 20:38 ۰۰-- Pacra [~Pacra@c-68-44-35-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39 ۰۰-- valrus [~valrus@c-76-104-241-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:49 ۰۰-- mikee_ [~test@209-6-146-94.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04 ۰۰-- ZChris13 [~ZChris13@130.127.255.232] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]] 21:22 ۰۰-- medgno [~medgno@c-75-72-238-81.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Quitting] 21:35 < alefury> kilobyte: haha, nice quote 21:38 ۰۰-- MarvinPA [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by 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/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/bailey.des: De-spoilerfy some baileys too. 22:34 < CIA-54> evilmike * r6d5497fb5e2d /crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/ (mini_features.des mini_monsters.des): De-spoil some minivaults too. 22:34 ۰۰-- MarvinPA [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:35 ۰۰-- valrus [~valrus@c-76-104-241-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35 ۰۰-- valrus [~valrus@c-76-104-241-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35 ۰۰-- valrus [~valrus@c-76-104-241-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36 ۰۰-- MarvinPA [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.95] has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36 ۰۰-- mode/##crawl-dev [+v MarvinPA] by ChanServ 22:55 ۰۰-- MarvinPA [~MarvinPA@85.210.105.95] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03 ۰۰-- HangedMan [63e6725f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.230.114.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:10 ۰۰-- valrus_ [~valrus@c-76-104-241-255.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined 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