00:01:04 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:03:02 bug: saw a book lying on the ground, and it was already flagged in purple for being high level and dangerous 00:03:22 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2350-g7a637f2 (32) 00:04:03 yeah. autopickup also behaves badly with those 00:04:04 bmh: yeah, I reported that a while back 00:04:18 elliptic: ok, I won't report it again :) 00:19:05 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2350-g7a637f2 00:33:26 Fountain related death gives the wrong cause in dump. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4961) by Varsovie 00:43:07 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:52:25 03evilmike * r65669c53f085 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/pan.des: Modifications to evilmike_cerebov_lava. 00:57:32 a human corpse of freed slave 01:21:18 bah 01:38:19 -!- Pingas has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:29 we need to rethink this Orc vault. I just got about a hundred priest followers. 01:46:56 that's part of the beogh experience 01:47:16 don't worry, you'll lose all of them quickly enough 02:10:30 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:46:48 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:14 is it a bug that when i stab a sleeping monster doing no damage, it doesn't wake up? 03:32:08 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 03:36:14 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:41:51 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:46:26 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:40 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 03:51:46 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 03:59:25 Brand of reaching remains unidentified (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4962) by Low_Pressure 04:02:12 soul (L16 SpEn) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1405 failed. (Orc:1) 04:05:14 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:02 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:40:10 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:56:19 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 04:57:14 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:36 -!- Aegrisomnia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:51 -!- Aegrisomnia has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:25 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:58:46 -!- varsovie has left ##crawl-dev 06:02:18 -!- Ragdoll_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:05:23 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:32:42 -!- hayenne has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:45 Unknown damage to monsters inflicted with the staff of earth (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4963) by hayenne 06:49:24 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:57:25 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:03:40 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:44 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:58 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:42 !messages 07:43:42 (1/2) Cryp71c said (9h 15m 53s ago): staff damage messages are messed up in a different way now... if you fail to do damage with the physical part of the attack (very likely) then you don't get any message about the extra damage (which you get for any hit). 07:43:52 !messages 07:43:53 (1/1) Cryp71c said (9h 15m 56s ago): mark four and peek at two descriptions do not mention the necessary discarding of cards. 07:50:25 ??triple draw 07:50:25 triple draw[1/1]: Nemelex's third granted power, which allows you to draw the top three cards from a deck in your inventory, discard two and use the third. Costs 2 MP, food, and piety. Very useful for avoiding Shuffle and Wild Magic from decks of wonder. 07:56:40 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:44 !messages 07:56:44 No messages for Cryp71c. 07:58:13 was the thing about forms giving the wrong messages for combat fixed yet? 07:59:48 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00:13 I just stabbed something, doing no damage and did not wake it up 08:00:52 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 08:04:22 HangedMan, I've gotta get ready for church, if its on mantis, !tell me the #, otherwise !tell me an example of the situation under which you get bad messages and what they shoudl look like 08:05:01 03Cryp71c * r9e132483ba2a 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/ability.txt: Adjust nemelex ability descriptions 08:05:02 03Cryp71c * r20f1e0eb483b 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Fix staff and attack flavour effects 08:07:51 'k 08:09:09 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:09:32 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:52 -!- HangedMan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:06 mantis 4948, cryptic 08:13:23 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:14:08 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:14:21 -!- HangedMan_ is now known as HangedMan 08:28:58 -!- Xiberia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29:26 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:39 st_: happened here too 08:35:14 submitted 08:37:14 stabbing doing no damage doesn't wake monster (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4964) by ortoslon 08:49:08 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 09:07:47 -!- HangedMan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:16 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:09:15 -!- alefury has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:09:48 -!- HangedMan_ is now known as HangedMan 09:16:36 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:26 -!- alefury has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:50:22 -!- HangedMan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:15 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:54:14 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:05 -!- Ragdoll_ is now known as Ragdoll 09:59:08 -!- HangedMan_ is now known as HangedMan 09:59:40 -!- Ragdoll_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:15 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:00:18 -!- Ragdoll_ is now known as Ragdoll 10:05:03 -!- alefury has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:14:39 -!- hayenne has quit [Quit: There is no dark side of the moon really. As a matter of fact it's all dark. The only thing that makes it look light is the sun.] 10:16:15 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:16 -!- chrisoelmueller has left ##crawl-dev 10:36:44 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:32 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:08 Morning 11:03:56 next game: grinder with wand of polymorph 11:04:19 this is just no fun 11:17:38 Napkin, can you speak from pre-ucc functionality, after you stab a monster does it get a turn? 11:20:24 if it's alive why wouldn't it? 11:22:09 well I don't remember failing to stab roka or something and him hitting me the same turn 11:23:57 though maybe that's just low sblade delay, thinking about non sblade stabs makes me think again 11:24:24 yeah, true 11:33:24 -!- alefury has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:40:48 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:10 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:22 howdy 11:44:39 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:49 can we tone down the Hive mini-vaults? They give too much food. 11:45:12 I made a clone for constriction at https://gitorious.org/crawl/constriction 11:46:09 what hive minivaults 11:46:17 bee rooms 11:46:20 oh 11:46:41 I cleared two and got 30 honeycombs 11:46:45 are they vaults, or generated? 11:46:55 "special rooms" 11:47:01 the latter 11:48:18 also got an FR from mikee: a "give" or "take" command for intelligent followers would be nice 11:48:40 -!- Karagy has left ##crawl-dev 11:50:24 HangedMan, they are vaults 11:54:29 bmh: that's on the wont do list 11:55:05 oh 11:55:31 because micromanagement is tedious 11:55:36 Is it my imagination or do black mambas currently have no attack 11:55:48 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55:49 Not that I'm complaining 11:56:11 But seeing that I just used a lot of escape items to avoid meeting one when low on hp, I feel I might not have gotten my money's worth from those items 11:56:31 alefury: what's even more tedious is dancing over equipment typing ^Tp until your followers take gear 11:56:55 I just want my orcs to take polearms and crossbows 11:57:05 i know, i was just quoting the wont do list, not agreeing 11:57:23 greensnark: black mamba should have a medium poison bite 11:57:41 has there been any feedback on rP at 90%? 11:57:54 I like it 11:57:59 Black mambas in this CDO version have no attack 11:58:04 not much afaik, and what was there was neutral to positive 11:58:05 They just come over and hump my legs 11:58:21 not sure it's really 90%, seems like less to me 11:58:23 Cryp71c: greensnark says black mambas have no attack 11:58:25 but happy it's not 100% 11:59:09 hmm 11:59:24 !tell Cryp71c black mambas have no attack on CDO according to greensnark 11:59:24 alefury: OK, I'll let Cryp71c know. 12:00:09 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:52 Neither do water moccasins, apparently 12:01:10 I wonder if any poisonous attack is working 12:01:13 @??water moccasin 12:01:13 water moccasin (07S) | Speed: 14 (swim: 60%) | HD: 4 | Health: 12-32 | AC/EV: 2/15 | Damage: 1004(medium poison) | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(16), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 91. 12:01:21 Or maybe just medium poison attacks 12:01:56 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:42 Ok... 12:02:49 This hydra can't attack me either 12:02:59 I'm going to assume things are just really broken and wait for the next build 12:03:15 boo 12:03:22 hey greensnark, kilobyte said you had done some experimentation with auto-explore algs? 12:03:33 No, I did not 12:03:46 zelgadis and someone else did more recently 12:04:22 The only thing I've recommended when altering auto-explore is to check whether the new approach is more efficient than the old :P 12:07:22 ??alligator snapping turtle 12:07:23 alligator snapping turtle[1/2]: They have reaching attacks! With 50 damage! That's more damage than a stone giant! 12:07:41 we don't have a testbed for exploration algorithms, do we? 12:10:27 There's a command that counts the turns to explore on the current level, but it could use some scripting to test multiple algorithms with different level generators 12:10:44 (and with the same starting points) 12:10:46 I did see that. It seems klunky for testing out hacked in solutions 12:11:36 I'd suggest beefing it up so the quality of the algorithm can be measured :) 12:16:06 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16:30 greensnark, can you fix version order on Sequell? 12:16:32 !lg * cv<=0.2 s=cv 12:16:32 113578 games for * (cv<=0.2): 53321x 0.10-a, 42390x 0.2, 17864x 0.1, 3x 12:16:41 !lg * cv>=0.9 s=cv 12:16:41 172703 games for * (cv>=0.9): 123360x 0.9, 49343x 0.9-a 12:19:10 Unfortunately that comparison is done by MySQL 12:19:32 Sequell would have to do some fixup on the data to make it lexicographically comparable 12:19:54 maybe the chat query can be fixed when it is converted into a db query? 12:20:03 or is mysql also doing the parsing? 12:20:30 thats a bit diry of course :( 12:20:44 The ruby code could use a different where clause, yes, but that's uncomfortably hackish :) 12:22:52 what about converting version entries in the db to use 0.01, 0.02 etc? that should work, right? 12:23:05 @??black mamba 12:23:06 Cryp71c: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:23:06 black mamba (02S) | Speed: 18 | HD: 7 | Health: 24-52 | AC/EV: 4/15 | Damage: 2004(medium poison) | Flags: cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(28), 03poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 456. 12:23:11 Yes, that's the fixup 12:23:19 greensnark, indeed you're correct but I'm not sure why they're missing their attack. 12:23:19 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:27 Cryp71c: hydras are too 12:23:35 In fact, I'm not sure anything is getting a melee attack :P 12:24:00 blink frogs do 12:24:03 at least 12:24:04 people would have noticed 12:24:18 i mean, that would be deep into giganto-bug territory 12:24:20 Exotic attack types, then? 12:24:27 greensnark, yeah 12:24:29 does gretell scan that straight from the source? 12:24:29 it would seem. 12:25:04 blueDave, gretell references the source, but that source has to be updated from time to time, I think. 12:25:17 It uses the monster info files that define the attack types, resistances, etc. for all monsters. 12:25:24 there's a c-r-d post that suggests that attacks were broken by 4cde183e 12:25:28 And Gretell only notes that attack definitions, it doesn't know if the attack code is broken for some reason 12:25:46 oh, i should figure out how to teach gretell about the new attack flavours i guess 12:26:00 since it doesn't know about af_pain or af_antimagic 12:26:29 @??sea snake 12:26:29 sea snake (11S) | Speed: 12 (swim: 40%) | HD: 10 | Health: 46-82 | AC/EV: 2/15 | Damage: 2404(strong poison) | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 755. 12:26:35 which i added in like 0.7 or something and gretell hasn't known about since then :P 12:26:52 MarvinPA: Yeah, sounds like you should really fix it :P 12:27:16 @??rat 12:27:17 rat (07r) | Speed: 10 | HD: 1 | Health: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Damage: 3 | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1. 12:28:06 gretell lives on gitorious somewhere, right? 12:28:26 On CDO 12:28:37 Zaba, perhaps...I saw that commit, and was afraid of its reprocussions but trust elliptic well enough not to immediately raise issue with it. 12:28:43 http://git.develz.org/?p=monster.git;a=summary 12:28:50 ah, thanks 12:29:55 MarvinPA: Oh right, use th bleeding-edge-crawl branch, not master 12:31:24 03Cryp71c * r1c397bb3a58f 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Fix no-damage stabs not waking up monsters 12:35:55 oh! someone already did teach gretell about them 12:35:59 i wonder when that happened 12:36:03 @??grinder 12:36:03 Grinder (025) | Speed: 10 | HD: 6 | Health: 40 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Damage: 1105(pain) | Flags: 05demonic, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(24), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 322 | Sp: pain (d10), paralyse, blink. 12:37:16 greensnark, as Zaba has indicated, 4cde183e broke hydras, Black Mamba, and whatever else. 12:37:48 ahhh, kilobyte fixed it a few days ago, that would explain it 12:38:20 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:14 greensnark, there, I've pushed a revert up 12:40:02 Thankee 12:40:18 03Cryp71c * rb78c00d44495 10/crawl-ref/source/ (10 files): Revert "Clean up aux code a bit." 12:40:24 !tell elliptic your push (4cde183e) breaks melee combat for certain monsters (Hydras, Black mambas, etc.), I've revertted it in trunk and will re-apply it once I've corrected it. 12:40:25 Cryp71c: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 12:41:21 !dump bh 12:41:21 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/bh/bh.txt 12:41:34 should I be able to walk into Snake:5 and kill everything without concern? 12:43:21 at level 7 and playing 0.7 and in the wrong channel, probably not :P 12:43:34 ... oops. 12:43:42 :P 12:43:53 also isn't that sprint 12:44:13 HangedMan: meant to dump CDO 12:44:26 clearly 12:46:12 can someone update cdo now that melee works again? 12:46:18 * greensnark is doing so. 12:46:21 <3 12:46:52 Mind you, I was tempted to harvest that hydra's kidneys before I updated 12:47:07 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2355-gb78c00d (32) 12:47:16 hehe 12:47:17 melee is overrated 12:47:24 Wait, did that pull the latest 12:47:44 Ok, cool, it did 12:55:55 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:59:44 -!- ZorbaTHut has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:01:10 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:01:38 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:07 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:02:10 -!- Cryp71c_ is now known as Cryp71c 13:02:25 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:13 !messages 13:03:14 (1/1) alefury said (1h 3m 50s ago): black mambas have no attack on CDO according to greensnark 13:04:18 -!- coolio_mc has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:13 Snake:5 needs some tweaks. Throwing twenty-some-odd mid-level snakes at the player is not threatening in the slightest. 13:07:44 nagalich 13:08:14 rPois still sort of neutralizes Snake:5 13:11:11 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:16:55 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:03 . 13:20:02 -!- ZorbaTHut has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:25 @whereis bmh 13:21:26 No where information for bmh. 13:21:28 @whereis bh 13:21:29 bh the Warrior (L22 HOPr), a worshipper of Beogh, is currently on Snake:5 after 52822 turns. 13:21:37 You're also overleveled for Snake :P 13:21:42 yeah... 13:21:50 The Lair branches are usually trivial because everyone overlevels 13:22:15 They're designed to put up a fight at XL14-15, not at 20+ 13:24:13 <3 "gdb -pid `pidof crawl`" 13:24:20 where are XL20 character meant to go? 13:25:00 I have no idea what context your discussion is in, but your brief snippets of conversation gave me an idea: What if branches were colored based on their difficulty (similar to monsters) ? 13:26:12 -!- edlothiol has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:26:26 Cryp71c: that would be nice. I've played a lot of crawl, but not much high level crawl. I know "clear lair, orc, snake, shoals, vaults" but after that I'm stuck 13:27:15 Well, after Vaults you can do Zot :) 13:27:53 bmh, are you asking because you were looking for a specific answer? I used to play Lair, hive, d to 15 or so, orc, then dive Dungeon to vaults, v:1-7, then D to D:27 then back up to finish either the lair branches, or V:8 13:28:13 and when I say "dive dungeon" I meant "clear dungeon levels" 13:28:17 Cryp71c: weird order 13:28:17 not level-dive, sorry. 13:28:22 bmh, ordered based on safety. 13:28:34 You can do the lair branches (except for the last level of each branch) 13:28:35 you probably win more than I do! 13:28:38 but that can be dangerous. 13:28:50 bmh, hehe, I'm by no means a good player, but I've won a handful of all runers. 13:28:59 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: hm... in trunk, with a DE with an egoless sabre: 13:29:07 <|amethyst> The goblin is severely wounded. 13:29:07 <|amethyst> The goblin is splashed with acid. 13:29:07 <|amethyst> The goblin writhes in agony as its flesh is eaten away! 13:29:07 <|amethyst> _You kill the goblin! 13:29:09 |amethyst, trunk, or CDO trunk? 13:29:13 <|amethyst> CDO trunk, sorry 13:29:40 |amethyst, I've not had any instances of that sort of behavior. 13:29:45 No mutations, abilities? God? 13:29:52 active spells? 13:29:57 (anything I can do to reproduce) 13:30:04 <|amethyst> no god, no mutations or abilities, no active spells, and no ego armour 13:30:16 |amethyst, that's super odd. I'll keep an eye out. 13:30:26 <|amethyst> http://crawl.develz.org/saves/dumps/Neil-b78c00d-111127-1930.tar.bz2 13:30:32 !tell Cryp71c watch out for random acid-splash effects on egoless weapons (particularly sabres) 13:30:33 Cryp71c: OK, I'll let Cryp71c know. 13:34:28 CAO timing out for anyone? 13:34:29 Cryp71c: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 13:35:33 -!- |amethyst has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:36:36 rax, looks like CAO has some issues, its timing out for everyone. 13:36:38 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:41 rax, nvm, sorry. 13:36:48 <|amethyst> Cryp71c_: same thing with a new char with a spear 13:37:33 <|amethyst> and with bare-handed attacks 13:38:25 |amethyst, ..lol? 13:38:28 one secod... 13:40:42 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:56 <|amethyst> I'm building latest trunk to see if one of the recent commits fixed it 13:45:41 |amethyst, I can't seem to get it to happen on trunk, what race / job are you playing with, and vs what monster are you fighting? 13:46:15 <|amethyst> oh, hm, CDO is up-to-date it appears 13:46:40 <|amethyst> happened with deep elf and human, against ordinary d1 fodder 13:46:50 <|amethyst> fire elemental in both cases 13:46:59 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:19 <|amethyst> elementalist 13:47:32 hmm, arena, anaconda vs sheep -- asserts on AF_REACH 13:47:59 ...anaconda have af_reach? or is that part of your constriction testing 13:48:08 blueDave, is this a local build of trunk or? 13:48:53 |amethyst, is it 100% all the time, or only some of the time 13:48:55 local, constriction on trunk, doesn't use reach in any way 13:49:33 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: only some of the time, but fairly often 13:49:38 Tiles or? 13:49:47 constriction is in trunk, or ? 13:50:11 no, a separate branch 13:50:13 |amethyst, also, debug builds or non-debugs? 13:50:18 blueDave, oh ok..thought it was ucc related. 13:50:26 could be, I'm based on it 13:50:36 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: this is on CDO ASCII 13:50:45 |amethyst, ah, right... 13:50:51 I can't seem to reliably reproduce it locally... 13:50:53 1 minute 13:51:03 blueDave, hrm I'll run a local arena when I'm done building. 13:52:13 |amethyst, on CDO atm, fighting unarmed as a HuFe, clearing D1 trash without any such messages. 13:52:33 nm, I think it's mine 13:52:39 blueDave, k thanks 13:52:47 distance >1, non reaching 13:53:08 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: hm 13:53:45 that's >2 13:54:07 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: I was just getting it with a HuFi too (fighting unarmed) 13:55:16 <|amethyst> strange 13:55:22 <|amethyst> I would have gotten it by now 13:56:18 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: you're fighting with arrow keys, no? 13:56:32 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: try tab 13:56:58 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: just noticed it doesn't happen for me when I use the arrow keys 13:57:03 |amethyst, directional keys hjbnyu, etc. 13:57:08 <|amethyst> yeah 13:57:19 <|amethyst> looks like only autofight triggers it 13:58:58 |amethyst, that's really wierd. is autofight a lua implementation, or does it have code powering it behind the scenes? 13:59:13 <|amethyst> it's lua... and it just sends vi keys to do the fighting 13:59:20 <|amethyst> so it doesn't make sense at all 14:01:51 !messages 14:01:51 (1/1) Cryp71c said (31m 18s ago): watch out for random acid-splash effects on egoless weapons (particularly sabres) 14:03:33 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: doesn't happen with a local build ( DEBUG=y TILES= )... so I'm guessing it's uninitialised memory or something 14:04:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:01 <|amethyst> which makes it kind of difficult to debug 14:05:05 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:25 |amethyst, tab-fighting also seems to apply bleeding sometimes. 14:06:26 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: that's the acid 14:06:41 acid causes bleeding? 14:06:50 That's both wierd and counterintuitive. 14:06:54 <|amethyst> yes, "writes in agony as its flesh is eaten away!" means it caused bleeding 14:06:58 <|amethyst> writhes 14:07:34 isn't acid bleeding just for, um yellow draconian breath and acidic bite mutation and such 14:08:15 <|amethyst> yes, but somehow tab-attacks are getting SPWPN_ACID on CDO 14:08:22 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:27 HangedMan, yeah thats the issue we'r elooking into atm...except its not just acid bleeding its acid being applied to random attacks, but ONLY when you use tab to aaaaaa 14:08:30 attack* 14:08:44 elliptic, know anything about autofight stuff? 14:08:52 yes 14:08:52 elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:08:57 !messages 14:08:58 (1/1) Cryp71c said (1h 28m 33s ago): your push (4cde183e) breaks melee combat for certain monsters (Hydras, Black mambas, etc.), I've revertted it in trunk and will re-apply it once I've corrected it. 14:09:18 hm, how did it break that? 14:09:56 monsters weren't using the unarmed stuff at all afaik 14:10:03 elliptic, no idea, but if I reverted your commit, hydras and mambos were fine again. 14:10:11 how were hydras and mambas not working? 14:10:30 idk..it wasn't affecting all unarmed monster combat either, since test vs rats and such weren't affected. 14:10:33 They could still attack as normal. 14:10:42 how was it affecting hydras though? 14:10:49 They got no attacks and spent no energy, turn after turn. 14:10:54 Regardless as to the number of heads they had. 14:11:19 magistern is seeing acid attacks, too 14:11:38 (if you're not in ##crawl) 14:12:17 -!- HangedMan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:12:21 phyphor, I am, thanks..we've worked it to auto-fight. 14:12:23 -!- HangedMan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:26 just not sure why its happening. 14:12:28 it doesn't make much sense for anything to be limited to autofight, since autofight attacks by sending vikeys 14:12:29 I'm looking at it now. 14:12:34 very strange 14:12:41 elliptic, yeah its SUPER wierd, but we can confirm that its limited only to autofight 14:13:00 I've narrowed the calling method to mons_apply_attack_flavour 14:13:09 which seems to think it detects an acid flavoured attack, acting appropriately. 14:13:31 have you tried figuring out which commit caused it 14:14:14 elliptic, no, I went straight into trying to identify the calling code. 14:14:39 <|amethyst> elliptic: problem is, when I compile the same version locally it doesn't happen 14:14:49 <|amethyst> which makes bisecting kind of difficult 14:14:56 |amethyst: I see 14:15:22 |amethyst, wait, really? I compiled trunk and I can reproduce it locally..or are you referring to when you compile w/ tiles? 14:16:18 Alright, I have a fix. 14:16:19 <|amethyst> it was without tiles 14:16:21 <|amethyst> I think I see it 14:16:31 As to what is causing it, I guess we can figure that out after I get this in. 14:16:34 <|amethyst> attk_type doesn't appear to be initialised for players 14:17:11 Cryp71c: uh, looks like mons_apply_attack_flavour() is simply being called for player attacks too 14:17:28 because your recent commit doesn't check for that 14:17:50 elliptic, yeah that's the fix..but it still should function normally...player attacks have no attack flavour 14:17:51 should just be a matter of adding in a check for that in handle_phase_hit() 14:17:55 <|amethyst> mons_apply_attack_flavour is only called for players 14:18:16 |amethyst, no its called for both players and monsters, it seems. 14:18:17 Cryp71c: well, it sounds like it is uninitialized 14:18:18 <|amethyst> the only call is melee_attack.cc:513 14:18:24 <|amethyst> oh 14:18:25 But the issue is that its being called for players at all. 14:18:27 <|amethyst> sorry, you're right 14:18:41 elliptic, perhaps. But why does it only occur when autofighting? 14:18:47 s/perhaps/that's likely the issue 14:19:02 <|amethyst> slightly different code path means different values in uninitialised memory 14:19:07 well, exactly what the program does when it tries to read an uninitialized variable is pretty hard to determine 14:19:09 yeah 14:19:41 <|amethyst> it could be a matter of which function was called immediately before process_keys, for example 14:19:48 anyway the function shouldn't be named mons_apply_attack_flavour() if you are letting it be called for player attacks, anyway :P 14:19:59 -!- HangedMan_ is now known as HangedMan 14:20:06 elliptic, its appropriately named, it just wasn't being called appropriately. 14:20:09 yes 14:20:18 Eventually, once we establish some symmetry, it will be renamed and changed appropriately. 14:20:21 so a simple fix :) 14:20:23 there, fix is pushing. 14:20:35 greensnark, do you have the ability to update CDO? 14:21:17 I'll look at the aux code weirdness... probably just something silly like missing one instance of melee_attack being constructed 14:21:25 since that could explain it, easily 14:21:42 elliptic, the unarmed stuff, you mean? 14:21:51 yes 14:21:51 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:21:52 (and affiliated bugs with hydras, etc.) 14:21:53 k 14:21:55 thanks 14:22:28 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:56 Got all the !tell bugs taken care of, doing the mantis ones now. 14:23:08 03Cryp71c * re2e818a274de 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Fix acid-splash messages when using autofight 14:23:23 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:24:08 yay. forms not working can be approached 14:30:50 HangedMan, have you noticed missing effects, or just missing attack verbs? 14:31:04 03dolorous * re39cb634cacf 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Remove unneeded blank lines. 14:31:35 hmm 14:35:25 -!- varsovie has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:15 oh, I see what the issue is with the unarmed stuff I changed 14:39:02 attack verbs, possibly base damage from some reports but that's hard to determine 14:39:51 HangedMan, k, I've definitely fixed attack verb issues. We'll see how the damage feels and go from there as to whether a bug exists. 14:40:47 <|amethyst> elliptic: the bit after '// Skip dummy attacks' ? 14:40:55 yeah 14:41:04 mmm 14:41:07 I misinterpreted the point of that 14:41:35 elliptic, transformation attack verbs are guaranteed to only be accurate if you're fighting unarmed, correct? 14:42:20 Cryp71c: what do you mean? 14:42:53 elliptic, with regard to all transformations, special attack verbs are only actually displayed if you're not only in a given transformation, but also fighting unarmed. 14:43:21 (that seems to be what the code I have suggests, but without checking out pre-ucc to compare, I have only the current code to go off of so i want to make sure I'm correct) 14:44:02 verb for hitting with a weapon shouldn't depend on your form if that's what you mean 14:44:30 Right, yeah I understand that...I think I have it. 14:44:42 it is possible that some forms might give a special message for an offhand punch, which of course shouldn't depend on whether you are wielding a weapon 14:45:06 but I think only statue form might be an issue with that and you are presumably just worrying about the main attack 14:46:39 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: btw, you can do for example git show 74be35:./fight.cc to get the version of fight.cc from pre-UCC 14:47:23 elliptic, yeah, just main attack..but it does look like aux-attacks may not (presently) take into account transformations (like blade hands) for aux attacks. 14:47:50 |amethyst, can I pipe that into an editor? I cant look through a terminal at a file the size of pre-ucc fight.cc. 14:48:02 elliptic, with regard to verb. 14:48:03 I mean 14:48:14 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: yeah, | vim - 14:48:32 <|amethyst> assuming your editor has some way of reading from stdin 14:48:57 <|amethyst> otherwise, if you use bash you could try editor <( git show 74be35:./fight.cc ) 14:49:13 <|amethyst> you might also try vimdiff fight.cc <( git show 74be35:./fight.cc ) 14:49:30 yeah I can pipe into gedit just fine, for example. 14:49:45 Cryp71c: currently offhand punch in blade hands doesn't use the right verb, yeah 14:50:07 elliptic, well, I've got a fix in to correct main-hand attack verbs for all transformations (they were being set, then overwritten) 14:50:20 03dolorous * r3b56d20fcb95 10/crawl-ref/source/ (monster.cc player.cc): Add spacing fixes. 14:50:21 03dolorous * r5013ffc641ee 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Fix rotting resistance for vampires: level 1 only for thirsty or below. 14:50:28 I'll go back and abstract unarmed verbs into their own function, then use that in the aux combat. 14:50:36 oh, no, offhand punch is using the right verb for blade hands 14:50:47 I was getting confused because the main punch wasn't :P 14:50:57 really? That's surprising. 14:50:58 so if you fixed the main attack, maybe things are okay 14:51:06 yeah I've got main hand fixed in an unpushed commit. 14:51:13 You pummel the rat!!! 14:51:13 The rat is heavily wounded. 14:51:13 You headbutt the rat! You slash the rat!!! 14:51:20 (minotaur with blade hands) 14:51:32 pushing 14:52:14 03Cryp71c * r32a2091cc3b9 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Fix transformation attack verbs 14:52:44 Cryp71c: I'll re-push the corrected version of the unarmed cleanup, since it seems to be okay now 14:56:49 thanks 14:57:43 Napkin, rax, greensnark, trunk has a handful of attack verb fixes and elliptic's re-done cleanup, would greatly appreciate a rebuild when possible. 14:57:50 it isn't pushed yet! 14:58:19 Napkin, rax, greensnark (sorry, was a bit ahead, when you see elliptic's commit hash info by CIA, please trigger the rebuild) 14:58:42 cao is updated every day, i think - cdo every second day 14:58:54 currently CAO isn't updated automatically at all 14:59:01 since when? 15:00:16 for a month or so... I would have said something about it, but I thought it made sense to wait for the most major UCC bugs to be fixed first (we are getting plenty of testing on CDO) before bugging r a x for a manual rebuild 15:02:24 elliptic, Napkin, ah if its not automatic, not rebuilding CAO is fine...I can't play on CDO because of latency, I guess I'll enjoy month-old CAO and just test on local play only. 15:03:21 maybe r_a_x disabled it when the disc ran full? 15:03:22 a month or so ago, whenever r a x did the last manual build, she said that she would like to get the automatic updating working again, but that she didn't have time then 15:03:47 I'm heading out. will return later. 15:03:54 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04:10 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:16 03elliptic * r1294cf7a3fdc 10/crawl-ref/source/ (10 files): Revert "Revert "Clean up aux code a bit."" 15:04:16 03elliptic * r50428df72274 10/crawl-ref/source/fight.cc: Fix some monsters losing all their attacks. 15:04:39 -!- syllogism- has quit [] 15:08:00 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2362-g50428df (32) 15:16:02 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:55 elliptic, evilmike: would now be a good time to forcefully transfer the savegames to the latest version? 15:21:29 there are 19 version on cdo already again 15:21:32 *versions 15:22:01 I haven't been playing the latest trunk (my latency is much better with cao, and it hasn't updated for a while)... so I can't really say if the latest version is worth doing that for, sorry 15:22:12 sounds like there are a lot of UCC bugs though... 15:22:29 I mean, there are still several known UCC bugs, at least one of them quite serious (yred piety doesn't work right) 15:22:42 but transfering would probably be fine anyway 15:23:05 ah.. and i was wondering why i never managed to get more then *** with yred 15:23:16 *** is pretty normal if you pain mirror a lot :P 15:23:25 probably the most expensive god ability in the game 15:23:34 more often than i would have liked, of course :) 15:24:53 it's worth using, imo... crazy gifting death knights are stronger, but I think pain mirroring half the stuff you fight is more fun 15:25:22 it's definitely worth using and it saved my butt many times 15:25:44 didn't see any other choice - so yred was helping out big time 15:26:51 Napkin: the bug is that apparently yred isn't recognizing collateral kills currently 15:27:09 hmm, didn't pay attention, i guess 15:27:39 can't you fix it quickly? :D 15:28:00 oh, looks like that one is on mantis 15:28:03 assigned to cryptic 15:33:31 <|amethyst> so, re deck rarities... deck_rarity_type has DECK_RARITY_RANDOM = 0, _COMMON = 1, etc 15:34:02 <|amethyst> but _choose_from_archetype assumes common is 0, rare is 1, legendary is 2 15:34:18 Shuffle in Plain decks (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4965) by Sojiro 15:35:30 <|amethyst> which means legendary deck probabilities are probably completely wrong, since they'd most likely use the next card's enum as the weight 15:35:43 has yred piety from allied kills been fixed? 15:40:22 |amethyst: yeah... trying to figure out the best way of fixing this... I guess just changing cww.weight[rarity] to cww.weight[rarity-1] should work? 15:41:27 it has the drawback of crashing if we somehow get a deck with DECK_RARITY_RANDOM though (which shouldn't happen) 15:41:38 I guess that's better than doing something arbitrary though 15:42:37 <|amethyst> would changing the enum constants require save compatibility fixes? 15:42:48 it would require incrementing the minor version 15:42:54 <|amethyst> because my thought was to make DECK_RARITY_RANDOM either 3 or -1 15:43:05 People elsewhere mentioned that I came up here --- CAO doesn't auto-update because I can't figure out how it ever did. 15:43:28 ah, ok, rax 15:43:57 And I could rebuild it, but (a) that's low-priority and (b) if it should actually be working I don't want two competing methods running 15:44:21 didn't know that. greensnark has been on a few times, let's ask him 15:44:40 i'll look into it, rax 15:45:27 I could just be being foolish and missing something obvious. But I spent some time looking and was like ?? 15:47:39 hmm.. 15:47:45 so you did check the cronjobs? 15:48:08 i would assume there's some error on updating the git repository, that greensnark's dgl script collection uses 15:48:31 which may be the reason the cronjobs don't work 15:48:40 i'll try to look into it tomorrow from work 15:48:44 03dolorous * r60e61c8b9e37 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation-data.h: Tweak deformed body mutation messages, to better match the non-armour wearers'. 15:48:53 how's diskspace doing? has it settled? 15:49:27 <|amethyst> elliptic: hm... I suppose that's why torment showed up so often 15:49:45 it could also be, the updates were running in his screen session, rax :D 15:50:46 diskspace should be fine 15:50:56 I think it might have been in that screen session, I didn't see it in cron 15:52:44 <|amethyst> elliptic: (when it was in destruction) in legendary decks, it would get NUM_CARDS = 58 as its weight, pain would get CARD_ORB = 57, and everything else would get CARD_FLAME through CARD_TORMENT = 11--17 as its weight 15:53:08 |amethyst: ouch 15:53:21 <|amethyst> elliptic: in the current version, pain and orb are the overrepresented cards 15:53:48 <|amethyst> and if I'm reading correctly you should never see portal in legendary decks 15:54:02 <|amethyst> oh, no, I take that back 15:54:19 <|amethyst> but it should be half as common as warp 15:55:23 hm, why did my fix not work 15:58:43 -!- Twinge has quit [] 16:00:10 <|amethyst> elliptic: oh, it looks like RARITY_RANDOM = 0 was intentional ("Make item.special=0 not clash with real rarities.") 16:00:39 <|amethyst> so using -1 is the way to go 16:01:02 well, I decided that leaving it at 0 and just changing the formula is fine... except that that doesn't seem to have fixed it 16:01:53 <|amethyst> did you change both instances of [rarity] ? 16:02:07 yeah 16:02:35