00:01:45 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2035-g7e7b7d8 (32) 00:10:57 okay, this is odd ... I've got a bat that's just sitting in one spot in zotdef, even though it seems to have calculated a perfectly good travel_path to the orb! 00:11:27 are other monsters moving? 00:12:36 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2035-g7e7b7d8 00:12:52 elliptic: yeah 00:13:22 I guess it probably isn't the old bug where every single monster stopped moving, then 00:14:56 no, I'm trying to figure out how we can enable map 5 00:15:14 oh are you getting a monster stuck in a corner behind glass? 00:15:24 more-or-less 00:15:34 because that happens in non-zotdef too 00:16:00 yes, but this level is really prone to it, so I figured it was a good place to look at it... 00:20:02 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:32 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:32:57 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:43:19 -!- Guest33522 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:35 -!- Guest33522 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:00 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:47 03dolorous * rd1d771ef8773 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeak.txt: Add wording fix. 01:15:29 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:39:02 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: something happened] 01:41:14 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:49 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:12:58 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:34 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:10 * due surfaces 02:24:02 hai due 02:26:13 hi 02:26:14 due: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 02:26:17 working weekends, unfun! 02:26:18 !messages 02:26:20 (1/1) kilobyte said (15h 36m 57s ago): Paladins don't have their sacrifice functionality yet, yet they're marked as finished. Is that intentional? Spirits kind of make no sense when spawned on the initial level generation (out of Zigs, that is). 02:26:53 !tell kilobyte I'm not sure that spirits should spawn at all; paladins are unfinished though, when didt ehy get unmarked as such? 02:26:54 due: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 02:41:07 kilobyte, awesome quote for ziggurats :D 02:43:59 hmm the new tiles are nice too 02:46:11 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47:59 Hah! Gathas <3 02:56:37 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:43 Hehe, I see my quote for Aizul is stillin. 03:10:09 I presume there is a context for the giant forg quote? 03:12:14 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:17:57 -!- cosh has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:11 <|amethyst> due: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HAjhtPZGDY 03:24:13 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:27 <|amethyst> I wish I could find my copy of _The Elementary Forms of Religious Life_. IIRC, about half of the quote from "The Hollow Men" (under "shadow") is itself a quote from Durkheim 03:35:58 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 03:39:10 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:41:30 -!- ainsophy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:44 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Read error: No route to host] 03:46:13 <|amethyst> Here's a potential quote for toenail golem: "Gentle socks pamper them by day, and shoes cobbled of leather fortify them, but my toes hardly notice. 03:46:25 <|amethyst> All they're interested in is turning out toenails---semitransparent, flexible sheets of a hornlike material, as defense against---whom?" - Jorge Luis Borges, "Toenails" 04:01:32 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:04:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:09:34 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:15:28 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 04:18:47 03kilobyte * r489e5fe90b58 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/quotes.txt: A quote for toenail golems (|amethyst) 04:18:52 03kilobyte * r5cd752ce5fdd 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/quotes.txt: A missing space. 04:20:20 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:21:01 -!- syllogism- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23:33 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:51 -!- syllogism- has quit [Client Quit] 04:26:47 |amethyst: <3 04:26:55 <|amethyst> thanks 04:27:59 I will need to code yazatas up. 04:28:07 Butnow I can't remember what they were supopsed to do. 04:28:35 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:12 due: you still haven't spilled what the abyssal monsters are meant to do 04:30:13 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 04:30:30 kilobyte: I need to review my notes, I have a text file somewhere 04:30:43 kilobyte: sorry, this last week has wrecked me work-wise, howeverI will have free time this week! hooray! 04:30:55 :) 04:31:43 Lol, free time. I remember that. 04:32:02 I might have some tonight, unless I decide to start moving stuff to the new appartment. 04:32:13 Which I need to do soon cause I don't have any free time! 04:32:15 D: 04:34:25 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:34:46 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 04:35:23 I actually have some tonight but my left wrst is really bad so typing is a pain 04:36:30 I had that too, but after investing in a better keyboard it's all gone 04:37:22 !message edlothiol browser-cache problem can still occur, even after fix :) 04:38:05 is that even how you leave a msg? :) 04:38:29 its !tell 04:38:32 cosh: I don't think the smilie face is appropriate in this case :P 04:38:39 haha 04:38:46 also, while I never can force myself to exercise, there's one that gives an instant relief 04:38:53 !tell edlothiol browser-cache problem can still occur, even after fix :) 04:38:53 cosh: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 04:38:57 thank you 04:40:25 kilobyte: oh? 04:40:26 due: stretch arms horizontally, make fists, put fists down (with horizontal arms) for 5 seconds. Then put fingers straight horizontally, for 5 seconds. Then spread them apart and turn upwards, for 5 seconds. 04:40:33 an instant fix 04:42:41 (in the first one, wrist veins are pointed down, not to the side) 04:46:44 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:07 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-2036-gd1d771e 05:05:59 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:35:19 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:43:03 kilobyte: ah, it's mostly my typing position plus intense pianoing 05:43:08 kilobyte: thanks or the hint though, i will try it!@ 05:47:26 (I'm icing it right now; damn tendonitis) 06:34:26 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:15 why does acquirement give you negatively enchanted items? It's a real kick in the teeth to acquire a cool weapon and think "for once, acquirement isn't useless" and then ohno -5,-5 too bad 06:40:26 possible only on artefacts 06:50:44 -!- the_glow has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:20 cosh: did you... clear your cache after updating the server? :D the thing is, as long as the browser continues to use a file from the cache, it won't see the new cache directives 07:06:04 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:11 !seen MarvinPA 07:06:11 I last saw MarvinPA at Sun Nov 20 10:34:45 2011 UTC (2h 31m 23s ago) joining the channel. 07:06:21 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 07:10:50 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:22:40 !learn edit double_sword[2] s|.*|Double swords are better iff enchantment+slaying double sword[2/2]: Double swords are better iff enchantment+slaying Global Notice] Hi all, it's time to continue our ircd upgrades so we'll have a few netsplits as wolfe and hubbard is restarted. It will be somewhat noisy with just shy of 4000 people affected but shouldn't take long. Thank you for using freenode. 07:24:25 Keskitalo: i didn't get the job 07:24:27 !learn edit double_sword[1] s| but demon weapons are better| roughly as good as demon blade| 07:24:27 double sword[1/2]: A magical weapon with two razor-sharp blades. (hand-and-a-half Long Blade; Dam 15, Acc -1, Delay 15). The highest base damage weapon in the game that you can wield with a shield, roughly as good as demon blade. (No shield if you're a small race.) 07:25:50 ??demon blade 07:25:50 demon blade[1/1]: A terrible weapon, forged in the fires of Hell. (single-handed Long Blade, Dmg 13, Acc -1, Delay 13) 07:27:52 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:54 actually, against a 10 AC enemy you'd need +9 enchantment and +5 slaying for the demon blade to be better 07:28:24 popcorn counts even less 07:29:00 !learn edit double_sword[1] s| roughly as good as a demon blade| minimally better than a demon blade| 07:29:01 No change because the regex failed to match. 07:29:13 !learn edit double_sword[1] s| roughly as good as demon blade| minimally better than demon blade| 07:29:14 double sword[1/2]: A magical weapon with two razor-sharp blades. (hand-and-a-half Long Blade; Dam 15, Acc -1, Delay 15). The highest base damage weapon in the game that you can wield with a shield, minimally better than demon blade. (No shield if you're a small race.) 07:30:53 dpeg: about TDHS: your writeup was pretty similar to what I've come up, except for 1. summons instead of warding, and 2. a concrete proposal for when to increase offense, when defense 07:31:01 2. is obviously good 07:31:18 for 1., with a split between offense and defense we may think of having both 07:36:20 -!- due has quit [*.net *.split] 07:36:20 -!- greensnark has quit [*.net *.split] 07:36:24 -!- rax has quit [*.net *.split] 07:36:24 -!- |amethyst has quit [*.net *.split] 07:36:24 -!- jlewis has quit [*.net *.split] 07:36:24 -!- elly has quit [*.net *.split] 07:36:26 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:26 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:27 -!- due has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:27 -!- rax_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:30 -!- elly has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:30 -!- jlewis has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:00 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:04:19 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:09 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:10 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 08:11:45 -!- chrisoelmueller has left ##crawl-dev 08:14:40 the hellspider damage sounds very very high 08:15:24 especially if it can also gain berserk for example 08:15:45 plus a brand 08:16:22 @??stone giant 08:16:22 stone giant (15C) | Speed: 10 | HD: 16 | Health: 65-107 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Damage: 45 | Res: 06magic(85), 12drown | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 2025. 08:16:58 plus another 4 small attacks? 08:17:02 yeah, obviously 08:17:34 @??greater naga 08:17:34 greater naga (13N) | Speed: 8 (act: 80%) | HD: 15 | Health: 61-102 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Damage: 27 | Flags: spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 1678 | Sp: b.venom (3d19), mystic blast (3d19), haste, poison arrow (3d22), teleport other, teleport self. 08:17:36 -!- Guest37642 is now known as jarpiain 08:17:43 of course those have weapons and theres a bunch of them 08:17:44 30,0,0,0 in my current branch 08:17:52 with upgrades though 08:19:04 i think the proposal said 45, 20, 15, 10, 5 on Spider:5 when i read it 08:19:37 depending on how many of those are branded and what other monsters are around thats pretty crazy 08:19:58 but the only way to know is playtesting anyway, so, whatever 08:45:59 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:48 eronarn: is there a place where i can view the source of lava orcs? 09:01:05 edlothiol I see, nothing you can do then :) I cleared the cache and it works again...as usual :p 09:05:49 Ragdoll: git://github.com/Eronarn/Crawling-Chaos.git 09:19:07 kilobyte: thanks 09:19:29 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:20:54 Ragdoll: just ask if you have any questions, i'll see if i can help 10:16:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:17:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:01 03elliptic * r60f516e66efe 10/crawl-ref/source/ (player.cc shout.cc): Move a few stealth effects from check_awaken() to check_stealth(). 10:25:06 MarvinPA: I'm at XL18 and have 2 servitors and a ghoul (got 1 A and the ghoul recently, the other A was a few levels ago) which I'd say is okay (should be 2 ghouls 1 A though), but the midgame portion before that is kind of "try really hard to keep guys alive" which is sort of not fun. I'm also still getting trash like flayed ghosts and flaming corpses instead of skeletal warriors and stuff 10:25:50 I think we should make it so you have fewer but stronger allies earlier on 10:26:16 like cut everything before wraiths 10:28:18 but Yred really could just use redoing... 10:29:21 also by the way umbra stealth is broken 10:29:39 hmm, i think elliptic just fixed that 10:29:55 oh yeah 10:30:34 and yeah, right now you'll still be able to get anything down to freezing wraiths once you're at servitor-level i think 10:32:59 I changed umbra so that it "just" doubles your stealth, yeah 10:34:38 what with the multiple "dark" effects we have? 10:34:57 especially shadows (as in the lantern) vs umbra 10:36:07 spell: LOS, no stealth loss (no one uses it); lantern: LOS, stealth to 0 (no one uses it); umbra: no LOS change, double stealth (not usable on request) 10:36:36 let's leave at most two (or one!) distinct effects 10:39:22 -!- the_glow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:25 kilobyte: what about making the spell give umbra, in addition to what it does right now? this fits expectations of stealth/etc. from darkness, but also means the user suffers an acc penalty (except for demon/undead casters) 10:40:21 the lantern could be changed to do that too 10:40:22 and maybe have the lantern be the spell effect, except it glows when you wield it, explaining the lack of stealth? 10:40:52 does umbra still give stealth boost against demon/undead? 10:40:54 maybe make your glyph a flickering ghostly sort of flame 10:41:06 ie, lantern would do nothing different that currently? 10:41:08 st_: good question, i'm not sure if i applied that check only to acc or to stealth too 10:41:36 kilobyte: well, apart from any interactions the spell has that the lantern doesn't... like halo i think? 10:45:12 st_: yes 10:45:27 making it not do that would be a pain and I'm not sure how much sense it makes anyway 10:45:47 against undead I semi understand, but demons? 10:45:50 that would certainly make the spell more appealing then 10:46:16 well, maybe 10:48:48 speaking of darkness, it really shouldn't let you fire conjurations out of LOS 10:49:14 IMO we should remove all the LOS-reducing stuff except for nightstalker (maybe) 10:49:36 and change one of lantern of shadows and darkness to give umbra instead and remove the other one 10:49:46 can it be including nightstalker 10:50:14 i think it is the worst offender 10:50:15 conjurations out of LOS is always a bug 10:50:41 kilobyte: what about shooting arrows out of LOS 10:51:16 however, bugs are not an argument against one effect but not another. Either the bugs are fixed and all effects are okm or the effects are all removed. 10:51:22 elliptic: just same as conjurations 10:51:38 so lower LoS magically means that arrows don't travel as far? 10:51:38 not doable while we have bad AI 10:52:27 a bit hard to explain, yeah... having a MASSIVE penalty to accuracy is obvious, negating any chance to hit is not 10:52:42 I mean, there are ways of trying to address the problems with LoS reduction, but they don't necessarily seem worth it to me 10:53:28 we've had several LoS reduction effects for a while now and they haven't seemed particularly interesting to me 10:53:55 yeah, but we can't single out any effect... so if this can't be worked around, all three effects plus nightstalker need to go 10:55:05 well, I'm fine with removing nightstalker also (or changing it to umbra) :) 10:55:08 MarvinPA: the timing of gifting n/A/Ds seems about right to me 10:55:54 st_: a single servitor negates about any opposition until, say, V:8 10:56:05 (if you watch his hp, obviously) 10:56:41 well, true 10:57:28 but after V:8 they don't do too well in zot 10:57:41 so it would be lame to only get them really late 10:58:49 for some reason I actually got mine quite early this game, even though they are supposed be the last one in the list right? 11:00:17 03dolorous * r568d9cda80bb 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/quotes.txt: Add punctuation fix. 11:02:11 03kilobyte * r9092980ad924 10/crawl-ref/source/ (14 files in 5 dirs): Fix backgrounds of expired portals that don't use stone arches. 11:03:47 ugh... Yred uses number of gifts for servant quality 11:04:28 ie, farming an early level gets you servitors fast even if you stay at low piety, late conversion is useless 11:04:32 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07:16 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:16 yeah, it really needs reworking :P 11:10:28 -!- the_glow has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:43 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:12:05 having a small number of powerful guys is far more fun, especially if they can get names and such 11:14:51 agreed, I like giving them equipment too 11:16:18 what about piety+XL as a short-term fix? 11:23:20 sounds reasonable but iirc the mechanism itself is sort of busted 11:23:24 the way they're rolled 11:38:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:59 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 12:14:40 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:14:51 Eronarn: agreed on having a small number of allies being fun, and also on the naming thing 12:15:06 in my recent beogh game I had one orc who lasted all the way from early lair to zot:5 12:16:29 if I had the option I'd probably name them myself, but the semi-random naming is good too 12:23:14 can someone who understands crawl lua confirm that I'm right that 1e9ca8f is completely useless at the moment? 12:25:08 at least, I can't figure out how to make any use of it 12:33:22 reading the thread for that bot, it looks like the person writing it found a use for that 12:33:52 the bot currently isn't using it though 12:33:59 at least, the version posted there 12:34:07 hmm 12:34:10 !rc fireworks 12:34:11 Can't find rc for fireworks. 12:34:23 this person talks about fireworks.rc as well as the one that's linked 12:35:35 you mean the "I patterned it off the ready() function in fireworks.rc" line? 12:36:15 fireworks.rc is in the test suite, I think kilobyte made it 12:36:21 oh, I see 12:36:37 that makes a lot more sense 12:37:59 evilmike: maybe if powerful ones came prenamed, but if you name something weak and it levels up it keeps that? 12:38:27 it feels weird to be able to name something like a profane servitor 12:38:54 Yeah. I was thinking more for beogh, really. Yred has similar gameplay though 12:39:38 also, speaking of beogh, is it just me or does he actually enchant your orc's gear? I had an orc drop a +9 plate mail after it died in zot 12:40:55 yes 12:42:47 -!- Guest33522 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:23 -!- Guest33522 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:32 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:00:26 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:34 -!- Zaba has quit [Changing host] 13:00:34 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:14 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:07 03evilmike * r3d5c792bcda8 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/monspeak.txt: Don't use "you feel drained" as part of Boris' speech. 13:29:27 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:52 -!- ainsophy_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41:37 -!- jeanjacques has quit [] 13:42:09 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:24 03dolorous * rb4b82e003fcb 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation-data.h: Tweak gelatinous body mutation message. 13:51:58 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:53 -!- Twinge has quit [] 14:11:18 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:28 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:15:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:15:37 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:06 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:01 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:36 no-one in at the moment? 14:26:59 do I count 14:27:02 I'm around for the moment, though I'll probably be leaving soon 14:29:06 G-Flex: sure 14:29:34 elliptic: the forum has a proposal to auto-id ?fear and ?holyWord upon use. What do you think? (I agree.) 14:30:07 I'm fine with that 14:30:10 I tried to pass the buck to Marvin but he ignores me :) 14:30:28 oh! yeah sorry, i did see that email but forgot to reply :P 14:30:39 hehe, hi Chris! 14:30:40 it sounds fine to me as well, though 14:31:26 it's a quick change, I think, so I look for someone who can code it as quick rather than going the Implementable route (which I'll do if you all decline) 14:31:46 ??fear a bit unsure, ??holyWord is obvious 14:31:47 I don't have a page labeled fear_a_bit_unsure_holyword_is_obvious in my learndb. 14:32:15 poor Henzell 14:32:39 it changes the potions vs scroll id minigame, not sure in which direction 14:32:48 maybe identify holyword, but just a hint for fear 14:32:57 that scroll sounds a little scary 14:33:08 or, you cringe 14:33:28 well there's no point doing that but then not actually identifying the scroll 14:33:35 blueDave: if we do that, Crawl style is to go the full way 14:33:39 yeah, hints like that are awful 14:34:01 if you are spoiled, they are the same as identifying the scroll except with interface hassle 14:34:26 if you aren't spoiled, you'll become so very quickly 14:35:03 !seen mumra 14:35:03 I last saw mumra at Thu Nov 17 18:45:22 2011 UTC (3d 1h 49m 41s ago) quitting with message Quit: offski. 14:35:05 dpeg: I wouldn't worry at all about it changing the ID minigame 14:35:33 fear and holy word are weak enough scrolls that I never worry about having a monster around to read-ID them on the first read anyway 14:35:37 elliptic: okay. I like the id minigame... new scrolls and potions can make it better, I think. 14:36:19 ID minigame is fine but this change won't really change it at all, is what I mean :) 14:36:40 soudns good 14:36:57 any coder volunteer, unless Adam vetos? 14:37:23 is it as straightforward as it sounds? 14:37:37 no idea, otherwise I'd do it myself 14:37:40 I've been scanning mantis looking for some way to help 14:37:56 I've been toying with a semi-guaranteed (high chance) potion/scroll/general shop in the D:10-12 range 14:38:07 to make holding out with ! or ? usage a little more attractive 14:38:29 dpeg: Make it guaranteed if you do it or it's just gonna be annoying I think. 14:38:31 coding holy word 14:38:39 just doing a bit of clean-up 14:38:41 if you want a guaranteed shop, I'd put it in Orc:1 14:38:52 kilobyte: thx for info 14:38:56 elliptic: good idea 14:38:57 like, the message is inconsistent with Yred not being mad at you 14:39:16 blueDave: you posed some questions on Constriction, I saw. Then again, you were also the one with the insane insult/attack at me on the forum. 14:41:45 dpeg: what with fear? 14:43:03 kilobyte: auto-id when read, to avoid the "read un-ided scrolls in sight of rats" nonsense 14:43:54 could you suggest a message? 14:44:02 sorry about that 14:44:17 kilobyte: what kind of message? 14:44:28 for ?fear without monsters around 14:44:37 the bestest one was on Duris: if you resisted the Fear spell: "@The_monster@ says 'boo'. You're not impressed." 14:44:38 let me check tavern, they had something 14:44:42 dpeg: A sense of dread comes over you. 14:44:48 ghallberg: ah, thanks 14:44:55 ghallberg: that sounds like it's you who's scared 14:44:58 kilobyte: nice one 14:45:01 that message sounds familiar, isn't it used somewhere else? 14:45:16 blueDave: Necro miscast I think... 14:45:18 dpeg: orc 4 already has a bunch of guaranteed shops and you're quite likely to get one like that... it's a bit deeper than what you suggest though 14:45:22 Or maybe mummy curse? 14:45:23 :D 14:45:30 I realized I stole it from somewhere. 14:45:32 "This is a scroll of fear. You don't feel frightended." ? 14:45:35 I dont think shops will have much of an effect on the ID game in any case 14:46:17 hi 14:46:18 evilmike: if you knew there was a guaranteed potion shop on D:5 -- it would not affect you? 14:46:21 "You assume a fearsome visage."? 14:46:24 Hi Jude 14:46:28 kilobyte: sure 14:46:40 You let out a blood curdling scream. 14:46:41 dpeg: I'd buy healing and heal wounds if I hadn't ID'd them yet and also buy bad potions 14:47:04 I think scream is more appropriate since it's 360� 14:47:05 speaking for myself, I hold onto singles in hopes I can buy as many named and unknown ones in a shop as possible 14:47:12 ghallberg: it's a near-silent scroll right now 14:47:16 Oh right... 14:47:24 which can be changed 14:47:36 the only potions I'm really afraid of use-iding are mutation and cure mutation 14:47:38 I just think the face changing is a bit weak. 14:47:47 merged with Noise, even 14:48:03 noise is just boring 14:48:13 Merging could create something interesting maybe? 14:48:21 also, for price reasons, I'd be more willing to buy a scroll of id and use that on a potion, than buy the potion to id it... 14:48:35 right. due: a message for reading the scroll of Fear is needed. Either in all cases, or without an audience. 14:49:08 due is our best writer, let's whip him into creativity :) 14:49:16 yes! 14:49:33 regarding shops, I should also say I'm more stingy with gold than I used to be, some stuff can be pretty expensive 14:49:51 evilmike: sure, trivial buy off the bad items is no more 14:50:08 oh, I meant more like how a good armour can sometimes cost 3000+ 14:50:25 hehe 14:50:30 !seen nrook 14:50:30 I last saw nrook at Tue Aug 23 16:13:43 2011 UTC (12w 5d 4h 36m 46s ago) quitting with message Quit: Lost terminal. 14:50:44 Am I the only one who thinks ?aquirement are boring? 14:50:46 evilmike: make that *10. Someone mentioned a PDA for 36k 14:50:47 perhaps I have to do the remaining price changes myself "Crawl: inflation edition" 14:50:56 kilobyte: wow 14:51:00 I almost always pick wands... 14:51:11 kilobyte: nah, not always. My last winner bought one for 4k. 14:51:16 kilobyte: I bought a pda for like... 5500 a few games ago. Had to acquire gold 14:51:27 oh yeah that reminds me, I think rings of slaying are overpriced 14:51:28 I also acquired gold. 14:51:34 they're not bad rings but the current prices aren't worth it 14:51:35 dpeg: have crawl mine bitcoins every time the player purchases something 14:51:45 didn't elliptic reduce prices with the nerf? 14:51:49 slightly 14:51:58 they still tend to be very expensive 14:52:04 I always pick "weapon" unless I have a decent one already, then jewels 14:52:15 I usually acquire armour 14:52:17 there's a +0,+5 ring of slaying in a shop in my game selling for 1155 gold 14:52:21 ppretty pricy 14:52:23 pretty* 14:52:29 G-Flex: yeah, and 1155 is on the low end 14:52:40 dpeg: I was thinking of reducing them more, actually 14:52:43 it would be fine for old slaying 14:52:44 All gear tends to be mediocre in my experience :( 14:53:38 evilmike: slaying ring prices are 60% of what they were in 0.9 (if you have the same plusses) 14:53:45 ghallberg: the chance for wands of healing is pretty slim, there are better acquirements unless you know all wands types but that 14:54:08 elliptic: go ahead! 14:54:09 kilobyte: I like /tele and /haste too 14:54:48 my Fedhasite acquired food twice 14:54:55 I am a mediocre player though. 14:55:11 elliptic: less than I expected. I probably found a few expensive shops. Still, I've never felt like buying slaying yet 14:55:13 well... with so wildly disagreeing opinions on what to acquire, I'd say this scroll is anything but boring 14:55:39 I use lots of different options with acquirement, yeah 14:55:50 yeah acquirement is a good scroll, I've found uses for all options except for misc and food (but I've seen people acquire food and avoid starving, so that's good too) 14:56:01 ammo acq is weird though 14:56:15 I've used staff acquirement too 14:56:16 a couple times 14:56:33 actually, a few; getting rods was nice on my MiGl with a lot of evoc 14:57:27 I think ?acq is far from perfect but better off than it used to be 14:57:41 no good misc items currently... it's not a problem with the scroll but the item type 14:58:00 when I'm disappointed with armour acquirement from the scroll, usually it's because it's a lot I don't need, not a bad item 14:58:11 I used misc acq once to get cboe 14:58:34 was damn good before you removed Quad Damage :p 14:58:40 is there a minimum value it tries to get? I think i've seen mostly items equivalent to what i already have 14:59:00 * kilobyte is looking for a good name to rename it and sneak back as a Xom effect :p 14:59:07 maybe wrong expectations ;) 15:00:15 acquirement tends to be better than normal stuff, but you can get absolute garbage with it if you're unlucky 15:00:25 oh, actually cboe is guaranteed with 27 skill 15:00:25 it's not supposed to always give you good stuff though. 15:00:58 kilobyte: yeah, that's why I went for it then 15:01:30 air fan / lamp of fire can be guaranteed too 15:01:53 if you have 27 skill, you have better things to do though 15:03:10 better to acquire staff and hope you get a rod with bolt of inacc 15:04:15 by the way, cao trunk hasn't been updated since nov 6... 15:04:38 strange that you never get rods unless you have huge Evoc 15:04:56 non-Nemelexites hardly ever have Spc < Evoc 15:06:17 might be better to use weighting instead 15:06:28 kilobyte: what? 15:06:47 I've been maxing evocations with tso lately 15:06:53 bolt of inacc + halo is cool 15:06:57 -!- syllogism- has quit [] 15:07:17 misread that, it's sum(spell skills) < Evoc 15:07:43 random2(sum(spell_skills)) < evoc + 3 15:07:53 not at all the same thing, there's always a chance at a rod 15:16:48 berserker will of course have more evo than spc, usually 15:28:55 03elliptic * r596da3b2879e 10/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc: Lower ring of slaying price slightly (yet again). 15:29:05 03elliptic * r930ea6997084 10/crawl-ref/source/l_you.cc: Add you.nauseous() function to lua. 15:29:06 03elliptic * rf0bae345d68a 10/crawl-ref/source/player-stats.cc: Enable automatic levelup stat gain choosing via lua. 15:29:10 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:40 <3 no ugly hacks in bots. 15:31:45 workarounds for old prompts tended to cause problems elsewhere 15:36:16 03kilobyte * r9239728c53eb 10/crawl-ref/source/dgn-overview.cc: Don't claim you can switch to good gods whose altars you haven't seen. 15:36:16 03kilobyte * redc804f58f1d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (effects.cc effects.h item_use.cc): Always id scrolls of holy word. 15:36:16 03kilobyte * r3f10d5ab5864 10/crawl-ref/source/ (beam.cc beam.h item_use.cc spl-cast.cc): Always id scrolls of fear as well. 15:36:31 what was the language for holy / fear? 15:37:11 also, are scrolls silent if you read one? seems like they should make a tiny bit of noise 15:46:20 03 * r49b81c712f8a 10/crawl-ref/source/ (l_item.cc l_you.cc): expand lua script engine [item.is_useless, you.contaminated, you.feel_safe] 15:46:28 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:31 03 * r79438b4161a7 10/crawl-ref/source/l_you.cc: Lua script engine extension: you.caught() 15:46:31 03kilobyte * rf8949f86d123 10/crawl-ref/source/l_you.cc: Make you.contaminated return contamination tier rather than just a bool. 15:49:02 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:49:52 weird - no name in those commit messages? 15:51:03 lol @ the from 15:52:00 who is Kek? 15:52:18 yeah... I wondered whether to correct them but if someone is so afraid about leaving the address parseable, no reason to go against their wishes 15:52:45 breaks the cia hook 15:53:04 another thing to fix... 15:53:42 ah, that's a reason to correct that thing then 15:53:53 (addresses I mean) 15:54:17 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:16 03evilmike * re0cd2c1e1d0f 10/crawl-ref/source/ng-restr.cc: Don't grey out Hill Orc Abyss Knights 16:18:46 while researching constriction, ran across this: 16:18:56 fight.cc calls "you.has_usable_tentacles()" [has no parm on the call] 16:19:05 player.cc defines "int player::has_usable_tentacles(bool allow_tran) const" [takes a boolean to allow transformed] 16:19:16 bug? would randomly not allow/exploit aux attacks when transformed... 16:20:51 allow_tran there is true by default 16:20:54 this is C++ not C 16:24:38 -!- Pingas has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:24:42 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 16:29:31 that's handy, forgot it was even possible 16:31:29 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 16:32:07 -!- ZorbaTHut has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:35:54 kilobyte: okay, will look at it shortly 16:40:26 due: for now I committed that weak "You assume a fearsome visage." 16:45:29 hm 16:48:14 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:15 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:54:35 console mimics crash tiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4921) by KiloByte 16:58:07 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:37 mimics use stale glyph settings (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4922) by KiloByte 17:01:30 -!- HangedMan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:19 -!- the_glow has joined ##crawl-dev 17:23:51 -!- cosh has quit [] 17:25:20 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:29:47 Broken player god reference in monster speech (random pan lord) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4923) by hayenne 17:30:49 03SamB * re00e02a59abc 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc: Fix sense of a test so monsters don't get stuck behind glass all the time. 17:30:59 03SamB * r390a368dcf66 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/zotdef/zotdef.des: Zotdef: Enable "Glassed Sandwich" now that monsters can handle it. 17:40:36 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 17:42:13 evilmike: check it out! 17:42:31 will do 17:42:58 it's also good to see monsters will no longer act like insects when faced with glass 17:44:08 monsters : glass = real life insects : street lamps 17:44:37 dpeg: shouldn't be the case anymore 17:44:44 SamB_: yes, you rock! 17:44:52 Item buggily placed in the Abyss (happens right after entering the Abyss) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4924) by hayenne 17:45:07 * kilobyte stones dpeg. 17:45:21 * dpeg pulls out that lizard corpse 17:45:44 The problem turned out not to be with the pathfinding code at all 17:45:49 can't use "metal" as a verb :( 17:46:07 metallic ? 17:46:24 that's an adjective 17:46:29 kilobyte: crystal is possible, though 17:46:29 it was with the code that decides what to do based on the found list of waypoints 17:46:33 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:36 also "to wax" :) 17:46:42 oh, right, verb 17:46:46 metalling, the act of playing so metal that you melt other people's faces off 17:46:47 SamB_: good catch 17:46:59 hm 17:47:05 HangedMan: meltaling* 17:47:09 I'm only a native speaker, do you think I can keep all that stuff straight all the time? 17:47:10 Are we talking about converting something to metal? 17:47:18 meltaling, hah 17:47:19 due: yes, I think so 17:47:26 metallizing? 17:47:31 oooh 17:47:34 Metalize is an acceptable verb. 17:47:36 if I do this rl radio interview, it will feature some music, promised 17:47:36