00:03:20 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-1982-g83a33ba (32) 00:04:26 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:00 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-1982-g83a33ba 00:23:18 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:31 -!- cosh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:47 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:41:58 -!- SamB_XP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:42:34 -!- Guest32593 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:49 -!- Guest32593 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:53 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:44:35 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:02 -!- SamB_XP has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:57:11 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:06:16 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:29 Um, hi. 01:07:23 I have a question on level generation: is an escape hatch guaranteed on every level at some position, such as on an open level? There's a Slime Pits entry vault made by minqmay, and it has an eye of devastation. It's four squares from the stairs on Lair:7. 01:23:25 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:24 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:22 -!- Pacra has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:50:02 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 02:02:13 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:12:23 03evilmike * r06e7886c791e 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/large.des: A couple of vault depth tweaks. 02:24:12 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:07 03evilmike * r3a5367c097ed 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Remove a door warning from einodemon_rotting_minivault 03:06:36 moin moin 03:07:21 moin 03:17:26 yo 03:17:46 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 03:59:45 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: something happened] 04:02:07 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:03:05 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:04:51 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 04:06:10 03evilmike * r84efc783cc11 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Fix onia_ninara_dug_in_and_dangerous sometimes being undiggable. 04:15:23 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:56 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 04:22:07 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:22:20 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:22:58 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 04:36:26 -!- rejuxst has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:06 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-1984-g3a5367c 05:16:49 -!- cosh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:28:58 -!- cosh has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:26 -!- rejuxst has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:34:34 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:34:41 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:37:14 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 06:18:28 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 06:21:26 -!- jeanjacques has quit [*.net *.split] 06:21:26 -!- Mu_ has quit [*.net *.split] 06:21:26 -!- petete has quit [*.net *.split] 06:21:26 -!- Eifeltrampel has quit [*.net *.split] 06:24:10 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:11 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:11 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:11 -!- Eifeltrampel has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:17 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:35:21 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:03 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:53 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:28:30 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:10 03MarvinPA * r537a94f4d344 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/features.txt: Improve orcish idol description 07:32:20 03MarvinPA * r60aa6a41be4d 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc: Don't remove walls and clouds when miscasting Summon Elemental 07:35:22 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:50 Morning 07:37:37 moin Cryp71c 07:44:17 -!- MarvinPA has quit [*.net *.split] 07:44:17 -!- syllogism has quit [*.net *.split] 07:44:17 -!- cosh has quit [*.net *.split] 07:44:17 -!- paxed has quit [*.net *.split] 07:44:17 -!- Chousuke has quit [*.net *.split] 07:44:55 Oh noes! Netsplit 07:45:36 elliptic: yeah, although currently this part does crash on the branch 07:46:35 elliptic: the cause of the bug in trunk is inconsistent deletion of levels: basically, any !=LEVEL_DUNGEON is deleted when you enter it (rather than when you leave it via one-way means) 07:47:41 the fun thing is, I have no idea what to do with &~ -- should it return you to the old level? Create a new one? What if you exit via &~ but return via a normal portal? 07:48:25 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:25 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:25 -!- cosh has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:25 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:25 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:32 probably always deleting on &~ would be simplest 07:53:24 regarding the ucc email: why not merge it after .10 is split off from trunk? that seems like the best option for an important behind the scenes change that is likely to introduce a lot of bugs. 07:54:16 if ucc is supposed to be in .10 it should probably be merged asap, to maximize the time left for finding the bugs before release 07:56:07 definitely, yeah 07:57:26 would be hard to unmerge so there'd be no turning back, but there's probably enough time 07:58:10 well there could be a seperate branch put on cdo right? 07:58:32 I remember that happening with something else 07:58:54 merge ucc and squarelos, then people will want to test it! 07:59:19 and ensure no merging to trunk :p 08:00:06 why no squarelos? does it really look that bad? 08:00:10 no 08:00:22 not merely look 08:00:28 kilobyte just hates it 08:00:46 kilobyte: lets make a deal: squarelos for halfling removal :P 08:01:05 I don't care about halflings really, beyond them being redundant :p 08:01:36 I'm not sure exactly what we would have to offer kilobyte in exchange for squarelos but I expect it would be a lot :P 08:01:53 you see, when playing/developing for a Tolkien-based MUD for ten years, I went mostly with the themes of "death to the mortals" and "halflings must die" 08:02:29 whats a MUD again? text based thingy? 08:02:46 you could double every race, having identical copies with nothing but the name changed -- and it wouldn't ruin the game 08:03:04 so halflings don't make the game worse 08:03:38 alefury: have you played, say, Adventure or Zork games? 08:03:43 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:09 no (im 24 btw) 08:04:44 let's say, NetHack is to Diablo as MUDs to MMORPGs. 08:05:03 ie, graphics added at the cost of dumbing down the content 08:05:44 i played adventure and i'm even younger than that! one of the first games i remember playing :P 08:05:50 muds are great, but so time-consuming. mmorpgs are just time-consuming. 08:06:14 (actually, there's no dumbing required, it's just that games that require literacy have a smaller target demographics and thus won't sell as good) 08:06:34 unfair comparison, diablo is just a fanciful angband clone and angband already has much of the repetitive stuff from MMORPGs :) 08:06:47 :p 08:07:58 !lg * s=name x=sum(dur) o=sum(dur) 08:08:05 1356952 games for *: 5498x 78291 [20929225], 4037x Nexos [14916673], 7134x heteroy [14471390], 2986x clouded [11289070], 5898x Tenaya [10994314], 2205x rob [9534884], 2629x mr0t [9473133], 1403x MadDasher [8758324], 845x Iaido [8425511], 3217x sorear [8109336], 8236x KiloByte [8084386], 4457x DashNine [7927903], 3749x Johan [7525889], 2316x MarvinPA [7044013], 852x xyblor [6724192], 3587x soul [66... 08:08:38 78291: 242d 08:10:52 on T2T there's a player with >1y on a single char, and a few people with 400-500d total age. 08:11:54 Crawl used to stop the clock 5mins after the last keypress (with some bugs), does 30s now, T2T stops the clock after 30s, so the numbers are comparable. 08:12:46 the "time-consuming" part is a real menace :p 08:21:47 edlothiol: would it be reasonable to have webtiles operate from the same executable as console, with a command line argument? 08:22:21 kilobyte: it already does, mostly 08:23:02 i.e. if you start a webtiles executable from console without arguments, it should be playable normally 08:23:47 kilobyte: where do i have to look for that 30s limit or what do i have to grep to find it? i wanted to have a look at it some time ago 08:24:15 03kilobyte * rd3a46e8c6cf7 10/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc: Unmarshall cloud.excl_rad also when TAG_MAJOR_VERSION != 32. 08:24:36 bhaak: IDLE_TIME_CLAMP 08:24:38 -!- Asmageddon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:42 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:44 thx 08:24:46 Hello 08:25:00 I just lost two characters 08:25:10 -!- [1]cosh has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:15 I reduced that to 30s since 5mins can be grossly inflated if you multitask 08:25:23 I loaded one of them by accident and quit with saving, after launching the game again, two of my four saved characters were gone 08:25:40 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:43 There is no sign of them in the morgue or high score list 08:25:47 Asmageddon: quit as in Ctrl-Q, or...? 08:25:55 I said with saving >.> 08:26:02 ah doh, I'm blind 08:26:05 Besides that wouldn't delete two characters, would it? 08:26:19 on CAO/CDO or locally? 08:26:38 Locally 08:27:22 could you look in your saves directory? (~/.crawl/saves on Unix, a subdirectory of your user profile on Windows, no idea where on Mac) 08:27:41 Worth mentioning is that these two saves were recent(<1h) while the ones which were left intact were older (>1d) 08:27:55 What should I look for in there? 08:28:11 I grepped morgue directory and scores file 08:28:20 Neither says anything useful 08:28:25 the saves directory should contain saves files 08:28:29 such as charname.cs 08:28:30 -!- dexap has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:31 OsamaBinLaden.cs 08:28:33 yeah 08:29:00 -!- MarvinPA__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:01 There are only three for my current characters 08:29:16 -!- Chousuke_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:29:18 you could try some file restoring program 08:29:29 other than that, if theyre not in there theyre gone 08:29:35 I don't know any 08:29:47 I would appreciate if you would suggest one, I use ext4 08:29:55 i use windows :/ 08:30:27 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:30:32 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:33 -!- paxed has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:30:40 -!- dexap is now known as paxed 08:31:08 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:41 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:33:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [*.net *.split] 08:33:42 -!- syllogism has quit [*.net *.split] 08:33:42 -!- cosh has quit [*.net *.split] 08:33:42 -!- Chousuke has quit [*.net *.split] 08:33:44 -!- [1]cosh is now known as cosh 08:34:16 Might that have happened because all the characters had identical names? 08:34:40 how did you create them then? 08:34:47 Duh, normally 08:34:55 I always name my characters Asmageddon 08:35:06 the game should always restore a character if there's already one by that name 08:35:13 And never had any problems with it 08:35:20 But it never did >.> 08:35:51 Oh, it did this time 08:36:03 er, what, how? How did you load your saves then? 08:36:44 I use the tiles version and I just clicked them 08:37:07 And you're right, creating a character with identical name just erases previous char with this name 08:37:28 any idea how you got around that? 08:37:33 Duh 08:37:38 I created character like always 08:37:41 wait, wait... is it 0.9 and you're choosing "select a race/background first"? 08:37:47 Species, class, name 08:37:49 Not really 08:37:58 It just prompts me for name after I create my char 08:38:08 And fu*king awesome to know it works like this 08:38:23 0.9, too, right? 08:38:26 At least add a warning? :< 08:38:39 0.9.1 08:39:13 Duh, why did I put a question mark there? 08:40:01 okay, how do you normally create characters? i enter a (not yet existing) name, then press enter or click dungeon crawl 08:40:28 I click on Dungeon Crawl, choose species/background, eventually a weapon/god and type my name 08:41:04 Then there is a question of how the **** could two characters with the same name exist at the same time? 08:41:11 Well, I might have mistyped something 08:41:12 indeed there is 08:42:03 the save name and char name are only the same by default, i ran into some problems when i checked a bug report char on mantis which was named test3, same as one of my own testing saves 08:42:05 ARGH FUCK YOU, they had such awesome weapons :< 08:42:23 One had an extending spear and other had a +1,+5 whip of draining 08:42:52 but i wasnt able to get it to load in trunk i think. so i dont know how that even worked for you. 08:43:03 play trunk, all spears are reaching there. :) 08:43:37 Err? is that a bug? 08:43:56 that should really go into the highlights section of the changelog imo btw, if only just to prepare people for reaching gnoll packs and sigmund 08:44:08 heh yeah 08:44:09 nope, intented change. there were some slight damage nerfs to compensate 08:44:14 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.9 * re1bab3740642 10/crawl-ref/source/newgame.cc: Don't overwrite saves if the name is chosen after combo. 08:44:42 Ok, thanks for fixing it 08:44:55 Although it still sucks that I lost my saves t.t 08:45:04 well, theres no new .9 release, so its only fixed in theory 08:45:33 But it's not fun if all spears are reaching 08:45:40 believe me, it is 08:45:45 It ruins the fun of finding one that is 08:45:47 one of the best changes in .10 08:46:00 They'd need to be incredible weak to not ruin game balance 08:46:02 much of the fun really comes from enemies using reaching polearms 08:46:05 incredibly* grrr 08:46:18 gnolls, sigmund, reapers (which were buffed), skeleton warriors,... 08:46:24 And they also can reach two squares? 08:46:49 huh? i dont know what you mean 08:47:05 they can have regular brands on top of the innate reaching, but double-reaching is not possible 08:47:39 Errr, nvm 08:48:44 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:49:05 -!- cosh has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Organize your IRC] 08:50:11 03kilobyte * r833bd72fba5a 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Mention that all polearms reach in the "highlights" section of the changelog. 08:52:37 Btw, does armor increase how noisy a character is? 08:53:26 yes. you should ask such questions in ##crawl, though 08:53:52 It's spammed with multiplayer talk 08:54:18 Even if somebody noticed that I wrote something misc, reply would get lost in the sea of messages 08:54:21 Nevertheless, you should ask there. 08:54:33 I hate noisy IRC channels even more than ones where nobody ever talks 08:54:38 Yeah, I know :/ 08:54:52 You can /ignore Henzell and Gretell in ##crawl, that probably helps. 08:55:04 people do tend to notice and answer questions there 08:55:06 -!- MarvinPA__ is now known as MarvinPA 08:55:10 from what I've seen, ##crawl tends to respond pretty fast even despite the bots 08:56:51 and you can /ignore the bots if you wish 08:56:52 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57:47 what sucks a bit is that then you also miss learndb stuff 08:58:03 it should really be on a separate bot 08:58:25 You can ignore them in ##crawl only, and query for info. 08:59:45 i mostly use the web-based learndb for info anyway. seeing all the entries at once is very useful, as is seeing monster stats together with the learndb comments 09:00:34 on irc i mostly care about edits. also sometimes entries are wrong, and i couldnt change them if i didnt see those entries. 09:07:14 kilobyte, did you have any opinion on whether to merge UCC into trunk or perform more internal testing? 09:09:06 I'd say, let's either merge it soonish or not in a couple of months 09:09:58 What is UCC? :3 09:09:59 soonish or not in a couple of months? I'm not sure what you mean by "not in a couple of months" 09:10:13 Asmageddon, a branch for fight-rewrite. 09:11:13 as in, not for 0.10. Which would lead to time wasted on merging, which neither of us wants. 09:12:01 well, I'm all for the soonish side of things, my biggest concern is major instability that I may have missed. 09:12:46 a pity there's no fully automated autorobin 09:12:48 or is it? 09:12:56 -!- Asmageddon has left ##crawl-dev 09:13:35 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2333 09:14:38 Hrm, I wonder how well it plays. 09:15:20 probably not well enough to test more than the first few levels... 09:15:24 ah, yeah 09:15:33 if he gets lucky, he'll get to d8 w/ a bot 09:15:38 most die on d2-d4 09:16:18 although, if it's to be used for automated testing, we could give it unlimited lives 09:17:48 it would be possible to switch CDO trunk to the ucc branch, wouldn't it? 09:17:55 are there any save incompatibilities? 09:18:11 at least arena crashes 09:18:12 Shouldn't be 09:19:07 !seen dpeg 09:19:08 I last saw dpeg at Tue Nov 15 23:25:24 2011 UTC (15h 53m 44s ago) quitting with message Quit: zzz. 09:26:01 the bot keeps going into an infinite loop when trying rings, but otherwise, no crashes 09:26:24 kilobyte, on the ucc branch, or are you just saying the bot doesn't crash itself? 09:29:04 on ucc 09:29:18 which is what I wanted to test 09:29:49 ah ok, well I guess we can give the mailer a bit more time in case anyone hasn't seen it yet, otherwise merging into trunk will probably be the best action to take in the near future. 09:30:00 And then, no more CAP/NOCAP stuff too! 09:52:13 -!- Chousuke_ is now known as Chousuke 10:03:05 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:17 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:05:20 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:00 Inaccessible terrain on X leaks cloud info. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4906) by Kyrris 10:15:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:35 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:08 kilobyte, lol, I like your [3] entry in henzell 10:22:19 highly appropriate. 10:26:07 Lua script engine extension (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4907) by tukkek 10:30:42 ??kilobyte[3] 10:30:43 kilobyte[3/3]: Is so competent that he should rename to at least terabyte. 10:31:00 he's not that bloated 10:31:12 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32:15 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:55 I'm kinda puzzled about why sometimes G< insists on using an already-tried staircase, but sometimes it just goes to the nearest up staircase regardless of triedness 10:33:30 I kinda wish it would stick with the latter in the early game... 10:36:11 Fix for two vampire-related bottling/butchery messages (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4908) by rriegs 10:36:35 SamB, yeah so do I 10:37:10 can't help but wonder if it has to do with different handling between auto-explore and manual-explore 10:41:45 er what 10:42:03 !learn del kilobyte[3] 10:42:04 Deleted kilobyte[3/3]: Is so competent that he should rename to at least terabyte. 10:49:46 :( 10:54:30 -!- Caethan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:21 * SamB revises his supposed "fix" from last night 10:57:36 SamB, what was the merge option you mentioned a while back which results in fewer conflicts? 10:57:54 Cryp71c: something involving patience 10:57:58 * SamB checks manpage 10:58:25 -X patience 10:58:34 assuming the default strategy 11:00:18 also, I Found emacs' diff-mode handy for applying patch hunks intended for that one file to their new home(s)... 11:00:52 ... though I suspect you won't ;-) 11:01:02 SamB, hrm, I try "-X patience" and I get "fatal: Unkonwn option for merge-recursive: -Xpatience" 11:01:13 Samb, hehe, prob not so much. 11:01:18 Dragon form unarmed combat damage code ignores claw (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4909) by agentchuck 11:01:19 Cryp71c: what version of git? 11:01:33 mine is 1.7.6.3 11:01:47 1.7.2.5 11:01:55 what distro are you on? 11:02:09 Crunchbang, its debian based. 11:02:12 03SamB * r9c5839d3f741 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-pathfind.cc: I think my previous "fix" was actually a misinterpretation of the code. 11:02:31 can you apt-get a new one now, or do you need to pull it from Debian proper? 11:03:44 I'll have to check what version is current in the repo's, 1 minute..aptitude is upgrading all my other libs and whatnot. 11:06:43 hmm, how come some people in ChanServ's ACCESS list for this channel have flags set directly, rather than being committer or op-comitter? 11:08:33 in particular: dpeg, elly, raxvulpine, violetj, greensnark, sorear (awesome dude, btw), Jude, Zaba, Galehar, and Napkin 11:10:20 kilobyte: any idea? 11:10:59 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:26 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 11:15:57 no, sorry 11:19:20 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:18 Cryp71c: sometimes in melee_attack::apply_damage_brand() damage_done is 0 11:22:11 -!- jeanjacques has quit [] 11:22:15 03kilobyte 07unified_combat_control * rde60a799a83d 10/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc: Don't set pet_target retaliation on the arena. 11:26:23 SamB: probably historical? 11:27:03 yeah, I guess 11:27:33 That list reads as ##crawl and ##crawl-offtopic ops plus a couple of other folks, so I am guessing those lists were copied over and added to at some point? 11:27:44 I don't need ops, though I don't mind having them ;) 11:28:08 (I don't think I have commit access? I don't know. I certainly wouldn't use it unless I dropped out of grad school and had magical time) 11:32:53 kilobyte, will look @ that, thanks. 11:35:19 also, a lock_up in diagnostic messages: debug -arena 'efreet hp:9999 v efreet hp:9999 delay:0 t:99' 11:35:55 can't really debug it right now (N900's screen+keyboard) 11:36:12 s/lock_up/lock up/ 11:49:12 what, does it have a small terminal? 11:50:28 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20110929064733]] 11:52:13 123 11:52:38 oh, i'm no longer admin of ##crawl-dev 11:52:57 are you sure you're identified? you appear as a regular user. 11:53:47 net-split... grr 11:54:22 -!- Napkin has quit [Changing host] 11:54:22 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:08 yeah, as rax said 11:57:14 thanks, Cryp71c 11:57:45 np 11:58:32 -!- cosh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:42 hi 11:59:49 Yo 12:08:23 hi cosh! 12:08:29 how's the server doing? 12:08:35 going great now 12:08:46 just the "where" thingie is broken at the moment, but we're on it *cough* 12:08:47 :) 12:08:55 hehe 12:09:06 you need this perl daemon 12:09:36 it's running in the background, converting .where files into .dglwhere, which is used by the webinterface 12:09:39 yea edlothiol already showed me <3 :) 12:09:44 roger :) 12:09:58 I think I'll rewrite that to directly use the .where files one day ;) 12:10:44 are you using a script to init the player? 12:10:53 hehe, edlothiol 12:10:53 no not yet 12:11:03 if someone want's to play we have to manually copy a config lol 12:11:23 well, shouldn't be difficult 12:11:31 just asking, please share once you wrote it :) 12:11:54 oh ok sure 12:11:56 also, it would be cool if you could post about your experience, cosh 12:12:11 and if you encounter any bugs, please report them on mantis :) 12:12:19 which others could use as a howto 12:13:15 i'd be happy to host/post/link that 12:13:41 Napkin, what's cosh doing? 12:13:51 maybe we should include an example script for the player init, edlothiol? 12:13:56 that would be nice 12:14:06 yeah 12:14:16 cosh is setting up a webtiles server, Cryp71c 12:14:22 one without DGL 12:14:28 ah, cool. 12:14:34 which is like.. new territory :) 12:14:50 will be trying DGL next tho 12:15:05 :) 12:15:25 wensley set a dgl up recently 12:15:35 but haven't spoken to him in a while 12:18:43 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:00 how will anyone watch on the terminal if there's no DGL? 12:33:29 cosh: don't try too hard with the dglwhere script, I think I'll implement this in the server today 12:34:23 * SamB <3 his git diff hunk headers 12:34:35 oh 12:34:36 nice 12:34:37 :D 12:34:40 i won't then :) 12:34:44 hurry up tho lol 12:34:48 <3 12:36:49 so, has everyone seen my thing at the end of docs/develop/git/config.txt ? 12:38:19 kilobyte, say? (anyone who looks at .des patches locally, really.) 12:42:38 -!- Guest32593 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:59 -!- Guest32593 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:25 SamB: I added that now, but will only test later. Looks very useful, thank you! 12:53:21 you're quite welcome 12:53:38 I only wish I could somehow get it to everyone who didn't specifically choose to disable it 13:15:40 so we have the (very basic) player init script up now :p 13:15:58 excellent 13:16:06 what does it need to do? 13:16:18 copy the default config to (playername).r 13:16:19 copy the default config to (playername).rc 13:16:33 is that version specific? 13:16:35 and create a directory (playername) (not sure if that is even needed) 13:16:49 morgue directory? 13:16:49 hm i wouldn't know but i don't think so :p 13:16:54 ./rcs 13:17:19 you'll run into trouble later if you have multiple versions installed 13:17:26 yea? why is that? 13:17:39 because the config is version specific 13:17:45 oh ok 13:18:09 edlothiol, maybe the init script could take the version string as further parameter? 13:18:14 well we won't have multiple version running (i guess). if the config is broken it might require some manual fiddling tho, we're going to have a 24h chronjob updating the game to the latest nightly lol 13:18:40 ah, so you're intending to do trunk only? 13:18:46 yea, basically 13:19:16 you could bug edlothiol for a reset config button then, that's needed quite often ;) 13:19:18 Napkin: the init script is called on login, not when starting the game 13:19:53 true 13:20:02 cosh: you've seen the init_player_program config? 13:20:11 uhm...no Oo 13:20:42 set it to your script, and it will get called on login, with the username as first parameter 13:20:56 (in config.py) 13:21:04 (I really need to make the config a normal text file) 13:21:06 oh 13:21:08 you mean in config 13:21:08 yeaa 13:21:11 that's what we did 13:21:14 ah, ok 13:21:15 init_player_program = "./dcssnewuser.sh" 13:21:41 works fine now 13:21:42 :) 13:21:44 hmm, config reset will be tricky 13:21:47 yea 13:21:54 might require a button in the webinterface or something 13:22:13 that'd be easy right? 13:22:21 (i already wished for such a button on develz :D) 13:22:37 the button is not so difficult, but what the button will do 13:22:52 delete the existing (username).rc and copy the default from /settings 13:22:58 that's it 13:23:05 well, yes 13:23:07 but 13:24:01 server.py nor config.py know anything about a default config yet 13:24:16 well 13:24:24 you could add a new option...like reset_player_program 13:24:27 which just calls a script 13:24:38 like the new_player_program currently does 13:25:10 not sure that's the best idea 13:25:21 no it isn't :D but it's a quick workaround i guess 13:25:24 how much more external script? 13:25:26 * cosh stares at edlothiol 13:25:32 no you're right 13:25:37 should be in the .py's eventually 13:25:41 we're not in a hurry, cosh :) 13:25:46 :D 13:25:51 nobody is paying us ;) 13:26:00 i wish I could :p 13:26:01 we can do it properly :D 13:26:02 <3 drawl 13:26:05 *crawl 13:28:43 Napkin, did you see / have any input or opinion on the ucc merge CRD email? 13:29:05 no 13:29:15 i saw the mails, but didn't read them 13:29:21 i'm not a dev ;) 13:29:33 :P 13:29:35 does it require a separate version on CAO/CDO for testing? 13:30:03 anything technical i can help with? 13:30:16 No, we'll probably merge it into trunk, it appears stable enough in its base form...I had initial concerns about the stability of the branch 13:30:37 but it seems like those may have been unfounded, kilo did some testing w/ a bot and found that at least basic combat across the board was stable. 13:30:42 "stable" anyways 13:31:12 good job :) 13:31:42 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:33:01 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:03 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:05 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:36:14 03edlothiol * r301c8e26d4c0 10/crawl-ref/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Webtiles: Directly read .where files instead of depending on a DGL daemon. 13:36:31 cosh: see above 13:37:22 Napkin: this is not optional; if you see a reason to continue to use the daemon for Webtiles on CDO, I'll change that though 13:37:37 well, did you cover all bases? 13:38:45 like... status=dead 13:39:26 I don't think checking that is necessary, since I only read the file for currently active games anyway, or is it? 13:40:33 problem: my character chojin is in the char-selection screen 13:40:52 chojin.where still contains the old where line with status=dead 13:41:08 -!- petete has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:41:19 i think this needs to be filtered out 13:41:42 ah, indeed 13:42:12 that's the only case i could think of aus'm stehgreif 13:44:56 edlothiol ohhh nice thank you 13:48:13 03edlothiol * r5592907e60f6 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/process_handler.py: Webtiles: Don't use stale where data from previous games. 13:49:42 advantage of the new way: XL, char and place are separate columns that can be sorted on 13:49:55 arg 13:50:27 that means i will have to fiddle with the online status javascript stuff, since wensley is offline 13:50:41 no, that isn't affected 13:50:51 the status file stays the same 13:51:32 ah, you talked only about the webtiles lobby then? 13:51:47 yeah 13:51:56 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:01 so.. stop scaring me so late in the evening ;-P 13:52:50 sorry ;) 13:54:49 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:08:03 SamB, how does ccache work? It seems like if I build twice (even if I "make clean" between them) in a short time, the 2nd build is MUCH MUCH (maybe 25x?) faster, does it ram cache some part of the build results, or ? 14:08:22 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: it saves them in ~/.ccache/ 14:08:42 without contribs, Cryp71c? 14:08:45 |amethyst, ahh, and then if there weren't any filechanges, it just uses the cached build results for that file... 14:08:51 but in any case 14:08:56 Napkin, without contribs? 14:08:57 hur? 14:08:57 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: somewhat smarter than that 14:09:05 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: it hashes the preprocessed source 14:09:21 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: (and compiler settings like -O I think) 14:09:34 make clean doesn't clean the contrib directories 14:09:50 exactly, |amethyst 14:09:57 <|amethyst> Cryp71c: so if you recompile with different options like -DTILES etc, it will build it fresh 14:10:02 header changes cause a lot of cache misses 14:10:07 Napkin, ah, yeah...is there a need to clean contrib unless one of the submodules have updated? 14:10:17 <|amethyst> yeah, if enum.h changes pretty much everything needs to be rebuilt 14:10:40 <|amethyst> (and other headers that are used everywhere, like player.h) 14:12:00 usually no need to clean them, Cryp71c - but also a possible reason the first build takes much longer 14:12:13 ah, perhaps 14:12:47 user crawl on CDO uses ccache for everything 14:13:18 even the mingw builds 14:13:44 ccache -s is also interesting, Cryp71c 14:13:51 O 14:13:59