00:00:00 the problem with blindness is that it isn't blindness to stuff like terrain at all 00:00:03 that's a new thing, right? 00:00:15 -!- syraine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:00:17 spells should do more than just +-stat 00:00:34 -!- st__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:00:48 -!- SamB_XP_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:00:52 evilmike: call of cthulhu had a spell that would wither either your arms or your legs 00:00:55 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:04 Eronarn: now that's a spell 00:01:04 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:01:10 so it could be -str and -acc, or -dex and ponderous, randomly chosen when you cast it 00:01:17 and stackable with itself 00:01:20 Shriveling! 00:01:23 * DrPraetor remembers that. 00:01:24 that has some overlap with slow 00:01:27 but slow sucks anyway 00:01:45 -!- Danei has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:50 or at least I never use it, really 00:01:59 maybe slow should be higher level, but an AOE 00:02:05 this wouldn't really break slowing monsters much 00:02:11 but it would make it much more interesting for player use 00:02:15 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:02:20 -!- SamB_XP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:46 -!- ZorbaGama has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:48 I once thought slow might be a bit better if it had a higher chance of working on faster enemies, maybe 100% chance on hasted enemies... also goes for the monster version 00:02:55 mass slow would just be like haste 00:03:03 mikee_: no, not mass 00:03:11 fireball 00:03:13 aha 00:03:21 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:03:22 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:03:23 Slowball 00:03:24 -!- syraine_ is now known as syraine 00:03:44 fires a projectile that travels slowly and then explodes 00:05:21 if you're slowing a monster you normally don't want it to take a few turns to take effect 00:06:24 G-Flex: that wasn't really serious :P 00:06:37 but fireball targeting except with slow at maybe L4 hex would be cool 00:08:11 <|amethyst> okay, I made a merge request for the indentation thing 00:08:29 I really don't see why a fireball of slow wouldn't be 3rd level, except that everyone thinks meph cloud is overpowered since it's so much better than slow. 00:08:37 <|amethyst> as well as one for the "big, fiery blades" message showing up in too many descriptions 00:09:03 DrPraetor: single school 00:09:29 should more hexes be smite-targeted? they aren't really quite projectiles 00:09:55 G-Flex: think of the impact for the monster version of the spell 00:10:09 remember when neqoxecs didn't need LOS to poly? 00:10:09 Eronarn: It'd still be weaker than meph cloud, since confusion is a stronger effect and is better than trying to beat MR at almost every stage of the game. 00:10:23 poly other is a pretty strong example :P 00:10:26 but you make a point 00:10:46 DrPraetor: a) meph cloud is a three school spell b) it is in the process of being nerfed c) they are in different books so they don't have to be the same d) monster version of spells 00:11:12 <|amethyst> and most endgame content is rPois 00:11:17 Meph Cloud is going to be nerfed further? 00:11:30 <|amethyst> well, not Zot itself 00:11:37 |amethyst: yes, but *all* endgame content is essentially immune to Slow, and some of it isn't rPois. 00:12:17 perhaps we shouldn't worry ourselves with whether people will use a L3/4 spell in zot 00:12:41 Fair enough, in which case we return to - checking MR is inferior to not-vs-rPois in the early game when you care. 00:13:13 the MR check for slowness could be improved 00:13:14 lots of stuff early game has low or basically no MR 00:13:30 also that, and it isn't like meph is guaranteed to work either 00:13:32 But how about this: in line with the Meph Cloud nerf, Slow could have a chance of also hitting hostiles adjacent to the target, depending on power. 00:13:32 and it works on zombies and such 00:14:03 DrPraetor: they are not the same spell, they do not have to work the same way 00:14:18 Eronarn: Slow has to not suck. 00:14:20 I think slowball would probably be a more interesting spell than current slow, at least 00:15:07 slow used to be... 3? and now it's 2? 00:15:10 yes 00:15:14 obviously the solution is to implement Mislead as a player spell 00:15:17 and nobody uses it afaik 00:15:24 create illusions of yourself! fool your friends, fun at parties 00:15:59 How about this - Slow affects a fixed total MR of targets, depending on power. Start with the center of the effect and move out from there. 00:16:15 a spell that works like no other spell in the game works? i'm sold 00:16:31 Glad you're happy :) 00:16:38 also 'affects a fixed total MR of targets' = 'irresistible when used on single monsters' 00:16:52 unless the fixed total MR is lower than some monsters 00:16:59 What G-Flex said. 00:17:00 in which case there are some it never works on and otherwise it's irresistable 00:17:03 which sounds bad 00:17:14 yeah D&D has some spells that work exactly like that 00:17:17 Fine, it effects a total of 1D(f(power)) MR of targets. 00:17:17 and they're bad 00:17:31 So affects a random total MR of targets. 00:17:42 DrPraetor: you're missing the 'why' 00:17:59 I think his idea is that it affects multiple targets, but fewer if they're stronger/more resistant? 00:18:11 That is the thought, yes. 00:18:25 As for why - because it would be a good spell, which you would desire to cast? 00:18:26 <|amethyst> on average, that's what you get from having each make an MR check 00:18:58 yeah, might as well just have it check each for MR individually 00:19:24 |amethyst: except it introduces screwiness with ordering effects 00:19:33 |amethyst: And it loses power each time it finds a new target, like static discharge? 00:19:35 like a rat failing to resist which makes cerebov resist 00:22:44 On, "Summon Entity", hexes/summoning. Enslaves a target, but when the target is near death, the posessing entity jumps to a new target. If no new target is available, it jumps into you, contaminating you heavily. 00:23:41 no one would use that 00:24:00 heavy contamination means what? yellow? 00:24:47 an enslave that jumps around would be a really cool L9 hex spell but it should just eat up some MP every time it has to swap, and the spell ends if it can't swap to anything 00:24:51 Yeah, base yellow. 00:25:00 Grumble, fine. 00:25:18 OOC, how good would a spell have to be for it to be worth casting with extra contamination? 00:25:30 what does OOC mean 00:25:36 Out of Curiosity, sorry. 00:25:59 a spell should never give yellow glow for normal use unless it is simultaneously giving some protection from that 00:26:06 because everyone will hate it 00:26:18 and it would just never get used at all, because of that 00:26:19 even if it is ridiculously good 00:26:25 contamination means the spell has to be quite powerful, and something that should not be able to be used all the time 00:26:28 giving grey glow is fine of course 00:26:36 elliptic: doesn't invis still give yellow glow rarely 00:26:41 or was that fixed 00:26:53 g-flex: yeah, but only I seem to get it :P 00:26:56 People are pussies, I go cherry red with glow all the time and I've got a survival rate in the extended end-game of better than 3%. 00:27:03 I've gotten it. In fact I've gotten a mutation from it 00:27:09 what a productive statement 00:27:26 it is rare enough that it isn't really part of normal use... I meant that you shouldn't be getting yellow glow every cast 00:27:33 oh hey 00:27:36 name it Slowcone :D 00:27:38 I agree it would be good to fix that but the glow code is sort of a mess 00:27:45 yeah 00:27:45 I think there's a way to time casting of invisibility to give you less glow 00:27:48 * DrPraetor kills Eronarn, defaces his corpse. 00:27:49 I've talked about it with people before 00:27:56 evilmike: yeah 00:27:58 the way crawl deals with glow and timing is kind of... bad 00:28:07 the way crawl deals with timing is kind of ridiculously awful 00:28:11 DrPraetor: that doesn't matter, risking yellow glow just isn't worth it most of the time 00:28:12 we need to axe all of the "do this only on multiples of 20 turns" code 00:28:25 elliptic: make everything in the game happen 20 times slower 00:28:27 Can we import some of the speed randomizer code into it? 00:28:31 and divide turncount by 20 00:29:14 Or just change every instance of "do this 1/20 turns" with "do this 5% of the time?". I propose making a sweeping global change like that without carefully considering the consequences. 00:29:23 this has been discussed before 00:29:42 much like everything else talked about in this channel 00:30:36 Oh, I wanted to save this for a God power, but perhaps Hexes could do all kinds of horrible things to enemies who are afraid of you? 00:30:50 This wouldn't do much for hexes in extended endgame, of course. 00:30:53 "10% gold drop increase (MD only skill)"... er, what? blog comments are strange 00:31:17 due - MD should get a 9% racial discount instead. 00:32:10 Er, no. 00:32:33 I personally find that wrong on a variety of levels. 00:32:47 Not the least of which the fact that it's suddenly easier for them to buy more stuff than it is for other people. 00:33:05 I was being sarcasting, since 9% discount is the same as 10% more money. 00:33:15 tic. I need to go to sleep. 00:33:21 My sarcosmeter is off today. 00:33:49 Right. Have fun with the greeks, y'all. I'm off. 00:36:05 κοινε? :D 01:00:23 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:04:25 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:10:06 -!- Wop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:22:47 -!- st__ is now known as st_ 01:23:52 -!- Wop has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:20 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:27 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 02:33:40 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:57 what happened to rod of striking on ar 02:34:50 artificers dont get a choice any more 02:34:55 but they start with like 3 wands 02:36:15 who cares about wands 02:36:36 rod of striking was good early game :( 02:37:11 yeah but you get 3 wands and each have 15 charges 02:37:17 enslavement is quite good early on... 02:38:00 i cant kill shit now rod-less 02:38:07 unless i am using wands, but boo 02:38:48 i always thought the rod of striking was the worst option for artificers, when it was a choice 02:39:11 it was useful 02:39:15 it could easily clear early D 02:39:20 unlike this +0 staff 02:39:39 seriously, use your wands :P 02:39:43 you have 45 charges! 02:40:05 i only am because i am forced to! 02:40:23 maybe if we were to buff/change the rod of striking to something actually good? 02:40:38 and with we i would mean i since noone else would bother 02:41:59 well, now that its not even a starting option, making the rod of striking worth using is a good idea I think 02:43:15 but then again, there are so much better rod alternatives :( 02:46:56 well, if you write up a proposal it could be used. include reasons why the current rod of striking sucks 02:47:08 i'm way too tired to think of anything constructive atm 03:05:15 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:42 by the way, rods being clubs rather than staves is seriously weird now that we have basic staves 03:05:59 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:04 which are... well, clubs 03:16:46 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:23:12 been getting this crash lately when quitting games: http://pastebin.com/kA7fhsnR 03:23:17 don't think it's related to anything I did 03:28:14 don't seem to have any issues with sprint or zotdef 03:28:37 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:32:07 03evilmike * r1566f8ed044f 10/crawl-ref/source/abl-show.cc: Make jiyva's "remove harmful mutation" power not depend on inovcations. 03:35:07 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:44:12 Crash when quitting/ending game (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4880) by evilmike 03:46:07 03kilobyte * ra923452d78de 10/crawl-ref/source/ (delay.cc describe.cc hiscores.cc l_mons.cc): Change several array size asserts to static compile checks. 03:50:34 moin 03:50:35 Zaba: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:50:37 !messages 03:50:37 (1/1) dpeg said (9h 18m 14s ago): Can you help with http://pastebin.com/Z5jBcadc -- heteroy's map crashes all the time. Why? 03:51:23 uh.. well.. it builds disconnected stairs, of course it's not going to pass stair connectivity checks, duh 03:51:44 i think that's the wrong one :P 03:52:39 the problem (with the actual map) seemed to be that he was using place:d2 to test it and it kept trying to place an overflow altar on it, getting rejected, then trying again, etc 03:52:56 that would cause it, yeah 03:53:09 overflow arrays are stubborn 03:53:12 erm, altars 03:53:29 temples, even :P 03:54:25 evilmike, I take it it's been resolved, then? 03:55:09 i told heteroy to test the map in swamp (where it's supposed to go, anyway) 03:55:13 seemed to work 03:55:54 okay 03:56:11 (am I overestimating the builder's stair connectivity checks? _Again_?) 03:56:37 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:57:08 -!- Jude has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:43 -!- due has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:59:45 -!- ais523_ is now known as ais523 04:03:16 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: sleep] 04:17:59 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:19:03 -!- Jude is now known as due 04:22:24 !seen alefury 04:22:24 I last saw alefury at Thu Nov 10 01:24:37 2011 UTC (8h 57m 47s ago) quitting with message Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]. 04:25:49 -!- Keskitalo has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:27 -!- Xiberia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:32 hmmm 04:33:47 moin due 04:39:36 hi 04:39:39 I just worked out my error 04:39:44 used a return instead of continue, whoiops 04:44:07 03|amethyst * re57cd63f71b8 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Mention hydras only in fiery blade descriptions. 04:44:18 03|amethyst * rf22723532bcd 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: Indentation fix. 04:46:42 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:48:51 This is ridiculously unpleasant. 04:48:54 It refuses too plac eif you're out of LOS. 04:49:54 But the moment you walk back into LOS it does. 04:51:45 ... because apparently mmark->corpse_pos == you.pos()?! 04:53:20 ah 04:55:56 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:55 @??phoenix 04:59:55 phoenix (05b) | 04UNFINISHED | Speed: 12 | HD: 13 | Health: 91-131 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Damage: 1908(holy) | Flags: 08holy, fly | Res: 06magic(52), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 1666. 05:01:24 etc_fire (red, yellow... lightred?) 05:01:36 blue, lightred, darrkgrey, lightgrey. 05:01:53 @??phoenix col:brown 05:01:53 phoenix (07b) | 04UNFINISHED | Speed: 12 | HD: 13 | Health: 91-131 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Damage: 1908(holy) | Flags: 08holy, fly | Res: 06magic(52), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 1666. 05:02:48 hmm 05:03:01 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:05:32 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:32 -!- ais523 has quit [Changing host] 05:05:32 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:12:23 sigh, changing mon-util = recompile EVERYTHINGYAY 05:12:58 I suppose brown for phoenixes would be fine. 05:13:15 )= 05:13:45 since brown is such a fiery colour 05:15:17 kilobyte: yeah. 05:15:17 I dunno. 05:15:22 kilobyte: I'm making all butterflies light colours only, and restricting 'b's to darker colours. 05:15:30 But I suppose ther'es no issue with phoenixes being an elemental colour. 05:16:06 "a butterfly ate my XL27's mummy's ass!" 05:16:27 hah 05:16:37 I could restrict them off yellow and lightred too. 05:16:37 what do we need butterflies for, again? 05:16:41 I've no idea. 05:16:46 They're really annoying. 05:17:09 But i'm not sure I could bear the screaming hoards of lepidopteriists. 05:17:16 You saw what happened when we deleted MD! 05:17:49 a spell and three or so vaults 05:17:56 they were decently tactically important once, I think, but got nerfed repeatedly to irrelevance 05:18:13 I just hate that they interrupt rest "A BUTTERFLY IS NEAR" but don't show up on the monster list. 05:18:21 Anway, I 'm going to drown myself. 05:18:38 I'll push this commit when I get back. It at least removes the "WTF IT'S A PHONIE oh wait only a butterfly" 05:18:57 ... 05:19:02 Anyway, you're going to drown yourself? 05:19:05 @_@ 05:19:24 Don't drown. 05:19:39 the image on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebird_%28Russian_folklore%29 is brownish 05:19:57 technically, greek phoenix and russian жар птица are distinct creatures 05:20:10 but close enough 05:22:13 there's nothing on red, why not that? 05:27:49 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:30 pushing aboms 05:28:46 I don't like darkgrey %, though 05:29:12 so let's discuss this particular bikeshed's glyph and colour 05:29:27 (pushed first, as this type of discussion always lasts long :p) 05:29:52 I 05:29:57 I'd use "x" 05:30:09 03|amethyst * r2c51fb756091 10/crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h mon-data.h spl-summoning.cc): Self-assembling abominations, part 1. 05:30:09 03|amethyst * r18297e001b7d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-abil.cc spl-summoning.cc spl-summoning.h): First pass at corpse merging. 05:30:09 03|amethyst * rd1e63fa8e35a 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-abil.cc: Some merging fixes, still incomplete. 05:30:09 03|amethyst * rb128a004f395 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-abil.cc spl-summoning.cc): Don't encourage grindy behaviour. 05:30:10 03|amethyst * r651fd7a70fff 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-abil.cc mon-stuff.cc mon-stuff.h): Use monster_polymorph() when changing types. 05:30:10 03|amethyst * r7c4ac1595b14 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-abil.cc mon-stuff.cc mon-stuff.h): Split monster_polymorph(). 05:30:11 03|amethyst * r9cad31c96d35 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-stuff.cc mon-stuff.h spl-summoning.cc): Messaging improvements. 05:30:21 03|amethyst * re0e6cce8fcbb 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Make Twisted Resurrection a monster spell. 05:30:21 03|amethyst * r8595f4429172 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Fix dangling string references. 05:30:21 03kilobyte * re2c846063af6 10/crawl-ref/source/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Whitespace and formatting fixes. 05:30:21 03kilobyte * r938a604b99f6 10/crawl-ref/source/libutil.cc: Pluralize "ass" into "asses". 05:30:21 03kilobyte * r1d19b7e04ee3 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Turn around reversed species and genus for crawling corpse. 05:30:22 03kilobyte * rb954c760b03d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Use ugly French spacing in a description. 05:31:31 what's the darkgrey %? 05:33:28 |amethyst's symbol for crawling corpses and macabre masses (ie, unready abominations) 05:33:46 if they're actual creatures then x seems more fitting 05:34:00 not everything is death cobs :P 05:34:05 he made a distinction between proto-abom consisting of a single corpse vs multiples 05:34:52 (yay for the patch! yay for monster Twister Resurrection!) 05:34:53 yeah, cobs can masquerade at most as golden dragon corpses 05:35:01 and you'd notice having killed them 05:35:04 ah, and bananas 05:35:16 uh 05:35:19 I like % 05:35:25 re: red, I've moved fire bats onto red 05:36:50 well it's not like fire bats are important enough to block a cool holy monster off a colour 05:37:54 far more widespread, though... -- you don't have many occurences of a high-end monster 05:38:21 fire bats only appear in abyss and some rare vaults 05:38:53 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 05:39:21 true 05:39:38 Okay 05:39:52 We can make fire bats etc_fire and poenixes red? 05:43:41 Pushed! 05:44:08 03due * r23e41a57533d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): Finish Phoenixes! 05:44:09 03due * rea1a25c5d3ea 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-data.h mon-util.cc mon-util.h): Restrict butterflies to light colours only; recolour relevant 'b's. 05:44:09 03due * r03a5b3bbdb0d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-data.h mon-util.cc): Tweak 'b' colours more, restrict LIGHTGRAY from butterflies. 05:45:37 ... 05:45:44 mm 05:45:45 it's kind of a pain you can't search for "mail" for all heavy armour now 05:46:03 not that you'd really want to search for anything other than plate... 05:46:05 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:29 ??evolve 05:46:30 I don't have a page labeled evolve in my learndb. 05:46:34 ??evolutoin 05:46:34 I don't have a page labeled evolutoin in my learndb. 05:46:36 ??evolution 05:46:36 evolution[1/3]: For some piety, you get a permanent wandering mushroom with a powerful confusing attack. It will follow you normally outside of combat (they are so friendly), but the moment you encounter a monster it stays still while it is in LOS. However, they eventually kill themselves since they lose HD per attack. 05:46:38 mm 05:47:41 When does Evolution trigger. 05:53:58 uh, it's an active ability? 05:59:45 -!- syllogism has quit [] 06:04:47 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:12:38 due, the trunk mutation. 06:12:40 There's no information. 06:28:17 The eldritch tentacle claws your phoenix for 27! 06:28:17 Space warps around the eldritch tentacle! 06:28:20 (last two lines before a crash) 06:31:34 hell of a distortion effect 06:47:24 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:49:19 -!- Keskitalo has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:03:14 -!- FaMott has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:26 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 07:16:08 -!- DrPraetor has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:25 -!- FaMott has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:19:47 due: http://sprunge.us/PBEP 07:24:45 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:20 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.2 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:49:29 -!- syraine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:49:45 -!- syraine has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:41 <|amethyst> kilobyte: thanks for pushing twisted-automation, and for the fixes 07:50:59 <|amethyst> kilobyte: as for the glyph, I have no problem with 'x' 07:51:17 <|amethyst> kilobyte: nor am I attached to dark grey 07:55:24 -!- syraine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:57:02 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:01 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:03:16 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:19 phoenix bugs (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4881) by KiloByte 08:17:58 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:22 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:45 does anyone with a better idea of their flavour than me have an opinion on whether fire/frost giants and titans should be affected by silence and/or antimagic or not? 08:24:29 they've been inconsistent for a while (affected by antimagic but not silence), seems like it should be both or neither really but i still have no idea whether they should actually be spellcasters or what :P 08:25:30 unless they're like demons in terms of silence immunity i guess. but it'd be nice to have one less exception in terms of weird silence behaviour imo 08:25:34 if they come from norse myths, they're all the same species and have no innate powers 08:25:50 ie, any fireballs would be spells 08:29:59 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:24 cool, i'll go with that then 08:34:07 could i ask a autorobin.rc lua related question here? 08:38:12 03dolorous * rf4be2a77303c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt: Add punctuation fixes. 08:38:22 03dolorous * rd8375069589d 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc: Simplify. 08:39:48 -!- Pingas has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:53 Ragdoll: about the clua interface: yeah. About autorobin itself: not me. 08:41:38 haha. im trying to find out how the hell it knows when the level is fully explored, but i cant seem to find anything 08:44:10 03MarvinPA * r29dba8b6b395 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Give some monsters appropriate fake_spells and actual_spells flags 08:50:16 i dont think i can get lua to be able to read the messages and react to that? 08:56:10 runrest does that 08:56:12 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:17 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:22 oh? how does that work? 09:16:50 it can be used for stop/ignore but i dont know how else 09:30:38 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:10 03dolorous * re806efcb9a19 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc: Comment fix. 09:38:46 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:56 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46:10 * SamB_ wonders what the norse for "titan" is 09:46:49 titansk 09:48:12 crawl titans are nothing like graeco-roman titans, so whatever. theyre just thunder giants (which i think arent in norse mythology?) 09:48:42 no thunder giants there, yeah 09:49:49 <|amethyst> aren't the fire giants more of an eschatological thing? 09:49:56 there's Niflheim to the north and Muspelheim to the south, with temperate zones in the middle 09:51:36 titans are like HOMM titans, and at the end being like HOMM is what really matters 09:52:12 stone giants are "stone" rather than being normal jotunn 09:52:26 so it strongly smells of a four elements thingy 09:52:46 castle of the winds had hill, stone, ice and fire 09:53:08 no idea how close to actual norse mythology it is though 09:56:59 yeah, I'd gathered that they're not really greco-roman titans, hence the question ;-) 10:01:23 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 10:05:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:22 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:27 <|amethyst> kilobyte: hm... how are people who are already familiar with the spell supposed to find out that TR has changed? 10:08:00 |amethyst: splat? 10:08:17 SamB_: if you stack corpses it works like it used to 10:08:21 afaik 10:08:27 <|amethyst> more or less, yes 10:08:36 oh 10:08:44 i guess they will find out by accident 10:08:56 also, changelog 10:09:00 <|amethyst> I guess if you played it riskily before (so you got pulpy masses), you may notice when you now get a monster instead 10:09:13 <|amethyst> s/got pulpy/sometimes &/ 10:09:26 what do levers have to do with anything? 10:09:50 <|amethyst> huh? 10:10:22 * SamB_ made a dumb doomrl joke 10:10:54 <|amethyst> alefury: I guess if you have a bunch of corpses but only stack three or four of them, you'll notice 10:14:11 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:07 Any of you handy guys who knows how to force fullscreen? Apart from alt+enter. 10:31:22 Tried adding "bFull Screen=1 iSize W=1920 iSize H=1080" in a preference file, but to no avail. Although others have success with it. 10:32:13 Pingas, this is crawl, not oblivion! 10:32:39 what in the world can that be? 10:33:49 Pingas, 'bFull Screen=1', 'iSize W=1920' and 'iSize H=1080' should all be separate lines, anyway. 10:33:55 I know. 10:34:00 Just wouldn't spam the channel. 10:34:33 Pingas, is that really for oblivion? Either way, vastly oddly off-topic here :P 10:34:46 Zaba: But you are handsome developer hero guys. I'm just a primitive peon following cracking instructions. 10:34:49 Almost - Skyrim. 10:35:04 Pingas, I thought it's still 7 hours from being released 10:35:20 I believe it's been 11 for some time in Australia. 10:35:24 So crack was leaket then 10:35:25 ah, australia, yes 10:36:02 i was going to buy a cheap skyrim key from russia, then do a russian VPN to let steam accept it. then grab a australian VPN to play it right away 10:36:12 Thought solutions might not be specifically tied to the game itself, as I guessed there were other ways of generally forcing fullscreen. 10:36:57 Pingas, if the game doesn't go fullscreen even with that setting for some reason, well, I dunno. Especially if alt+enter in-game works... sounds weird to me. 10:36:58 but i havent gotten a reaction for the first part of my brilliant plan so now im just giving it a rest till next paycheck 10:37:18 Pingas: That's the most convoluted plan I have ever heard. 10:37:34 Ragdoll: * 10:38:07 a normal key from steam is 60 euro. if i go torugh russian channels 25 euro 10:38:25 Convoluted as in... Complicated? (Yes, I had to look it up. Not my first language, sorry) 10:38:39 Pingas: Yeah it was meant for Ragdoll. 10:38:42 Ragdoll: Would that not bind you to a Russian client only? 10:38:43 Ah. 10:38:56 no, you can pick language ingame, apparantly 10:39:00 The russian part was kind of reasonable, the australian part... a bit? 10:39:00 Oh, neato. 10:39:30 Ghallberg: Most people I've spoken to who buy it legit from Steam actually do the VPN trick. I think it's pretty common for the desperate crowd. 10:39:48 Guess so. 10:39:48 how does that work? 10:39:52 yes, i was reading around some forums and apparantly its the most reasonable thing to do right now 10:39:55 I'm actually pirating it right now... 10:40:01 for me its either that or straight-up piracy 10:40:17 Dunno if I'm gonna play it before I buy or just use it for qouta on the tracker... 10:40:19 steam releases the game on a exact release date and time, for example 0 am 10:40:23 because i really dont trust bethesda to make games worth 50 euros 10:40:54 so now, if it were for exmaple 17:40 right now, you could grab a australian vpn/ip and be able to play 10:41:16 i thought steam checks the ip on account creation, then sticks with that contry? 10:41:19 otherwise it locks you out till it's time, which is a bit silly. 10:41:34 i havent used steam before, so i dont know, but apparantly not that much 10:42:36 autorobin (L1 FeBe) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 941 failed. (D:1) 10:42:42 eesh 10:43:06 autorobin (L1 FeBe) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 941 failed. (D:1) 10:43:25 autorobin (L1 FeBe) ASSERT(x >= 1 && x <= sz.x) in 'libutil.cc' at line 941 failed. (D:1) 10:43:36 nevermind. 10:46:56 -!- ncampion has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:36 * SamB_ would do the straight-up piracy, too 10:52:48 (easier to figure out how!) 10:53:26 it is often quite annoying though. drm got pretty good. 10:53:28 (less wasted money if it fails) 10:53:48 i mostly just play cheap indie games now 10:53:52 * SamB_ would probably just play old games, though 10:53:57 better value 10:54:43 alefury: Indies and steam sales for me. 10:54:55 I should buy a graphics card sometime so I can get decent performance in UT 2004 10:55:20 wow. 10:55:26 I mean, some levels are okay with the Intel on this thing 10:55:29 but some are not 10:55:33 awesome game btw 10:55:43 when HOMM6 comes out that will probably the first time I've bought a game in at least 2 years 10:55:48 I bought it for a class a while back 10:55:52 i bought the witcher 2 10:56:53 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:48 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:02:28 -!- jooosa has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:42 -!- jarpiain has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:04:12 03dolorous * r499579f255a7 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc: Add formatting fixes. 11:04:12 03dolorous * ra1fe780dd50c 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc: Add minor cosmetic fixes. 11:04:13 03dolorous * rbcc2e95231ac 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-summoning.cc: Constify. 11:04:23 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:04:24 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 11:05:37 -!- jarpiain has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:04 -!- jarpiain is now known as Guest99952 11:08:26 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 11:15:15 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Iceape 2.0.11/20110929064733]] 11:19:17 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:20 -!- ZorbaGama has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:04 -!- ZorbaBeta has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:05 wierd 11:28:23 03dolorous * r1768250f2f67 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/spells.txt: Add spacing fix. 11:28:27 03dolorous * r98b65e2f7c23 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/spells.txt: Tweak Twisted Resurrection description. 11:29:22 so, rings of protection from *foo* don't show up on % unless you know what they are, huh? 11:31:25 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:48 <|amethyst> hm... dolorous's last commit is based on a false premise... TR does work at range now 11:33:08 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:42 <|amethyst> but pow/25, so zero range at very low power 11:38:05 <|amethyst> perhaps that should change, but if anything i think the min range should increase 11:38:27 <|amethyst> since having to cast once per corpse is tedious 11:39:26 |amethyst: you do realize that not every corpse gets its own square in crawl, right? 11:39:35 this isn't, doomrl, you know! 11:40:28 ... though being written in Turbo Pascal might be an improvement ;-P 11:40:37 * SamB_ uses the term loosely 11:40:39 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 11:42:05 That should be the new Crawl catch phrase: "Supports things that DoomRL doesn't...like mass graves" 11:42:27 <|amethyst> true, but I worry range 0 would just encourage piling for MP efficiency 11:42:29 Oh, I've got a change sitting in my working copy to list stash-search prefixes in the long descriptions of items. Sound like a good idea? 11:42:41 presumably you can reanimate corpses through walls in Crawl as a result 11:42:42 |amethyst: I'm only nitpicking 11:42:45 as in NetHack 11:42:53 not saying the idea you meant to express was unsound ;-) 11:43:16 ais523: eh ? 11:43:22 <|amethyst> s/once per corpse/once per crawlie/ then :P 11:43:32 this is, again, not doomrl 11:43:35 SamB: because there can be fewer nearby squares to place them on than corpses 11:43:48 <|amethyst> ais523: you get one monster per pile 11:43:59 <|amethyst> ais523: BUT if there was already a monster on that pile, then yes 11:44:08 well, keep repeatedly targeting the same pile then 11:44:13 <|amethyst> if there was nowhere to place it, it collapses into a pulpy mess 11:44:16 ais523: but our algorithms can avoid putting them through walls 11:44:29 <|amethyst> but I don't know if "nowhere to place it" includes through walls 11:44:33 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:03 unlike, say, doomrl with loot drops ;-) 11:45:12 <|amethyst> I use create_monster() with an mg that specifies a cell 11:45:54 I don't know how many times I've seen the shotgun jerk on D:1 drop either the shotgun or the ammo on the other side of a wall because the pistol guy had already taken the nearby squares 11:46:28 i think it just fails if there's no room except on the other side of walls in crawl, yeah 11:46:31 * SamB is pretty sure the monster generator searches *connected* space only 11:46:32 at least summons do 11:46:49 <|amethyst> if animate dead didn't have the problem before, then TR won't now 11:47:10 animate dead would certainly be more prone to it 11:48:40 tornado whirls monsters through solid metal walls 11:49:21 <|amethyst> ah, it shouldn't do it 11:49:53 <|amethyst> hrm 11:50:01 <|amethyst> it could end up on the other side of a transparent wall 11:50:15