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02:19:36 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.10-a0-839-g4d0a09a (32)
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02:58:50 <Ashenzari> Rune mimic (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4592) by Zannick
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06:07:44 <Ashenzari> Every time starting crawl-tiles crashes... (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4593) by mtorkington
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06:46:47 <Ashenzari> I've lost HP in Crypt, but no message or obvious reason? (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4594) by nubinia
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06:48:37 <CIA-34> 03galehar * r159e35ec978d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (rltiles/dc-mon/undead/wight.png tilemcache.cc): New wight tile which shows wielded weapon (Denzi).
06:48:45 <CIA-34> 03galehar * rcd2b5d1c2b59 10/crawl-ref/source/wiz-item.cc: Mention if an item is a mimic when listing items with &'.
06:48:45 <CIA-34> 03galehar * r728287d8eec3 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Give toadstools a speed of 0 like other fungi (#4584).
06:48:45 <CIA-34> 03jokeserver * rbb1b322f921e 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/branches/vaults.des mon-info.cc monster.cc): Add a special rune mimic.
06:53:50 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.10-a0-843-g159e35e (32)
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08:35:03 <Keskitalo> Damn, I've misplaced my bag, with my Crawl-related notebook in it. I hope it's at work.
08:37:30 <Keskitalo> Really nice player wight tile from Denzi.. do we have player wights now?
08:52:58 <Keskitalo> 1learn add dpeg <dpeg> There will be better balls in the future.
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09:03:22 <kilobyte> well, Tukima's Ball sucked
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09:12:02 <SamB> galehar: my understanding is that toadstools had a speed so they'd die from that enchantment...
09:14:09 * SamB isn't sure he did that right...
09:15:08 * SamB was trying to confirm resolution of 4586
09:15:51 * SamB doesn't think the fact that it's turned yellow is a good sign :-(]
09:16:42 <SamB> hmm, that doesn't look good either...
09:17:00 * SamB turned it pink/purple now...
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09:24:22 <galehar> Keskitalo: no, it's for monster wight
09:24:23 <Henzell> galehar: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
09:24:27 <galehar> !messages
09:24:28 <Henzell> (1/1) dpeg said (14h 58m 34s ago): Now that Abyss morphing is in, I recalled an old Lugonu idea of mine: Abyssical travel could use morphing (in both directions). This would make self-banishment less of a no-brainer and we could remove the stupid maxHP cost. Also, it'd leave nicely abyssified spots in the dungeon. What do you think?
09:25:57 <galehar> !tell dpeg you'll have to explain what Abyssical travel with morphing does, I don't get it.
09:25:57 <Henzell> galehar: OK, I'll let dpeg know.
09:26:52 <galehar> SamB: they seem to wither and die alright with speed 0. Or did you mean something else?
09:27:11 <SamB> galehar: okay
09:27:28 <SamB> it's a mystery why they didn't already have speed 0, then!
09:27:47 <galehar> yeah
09:34:58 <galehar> they had speed 10 since they were introduced with commit e66c77b5 by caotto. I think it's just an oversight. Since they are immobile and never do anything, their speed has no effect. So they had default speed.
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09:38:49 <Ashenzari> several errors in the conversion to smooth skills (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4595) by reid
09:43:15 <kilobyte> reid: uhm, random2(x) < A is not same as random2(x*B) < A*B
09:44:22 <CIA-34> 03lothar.dierkes * r31c5373e5d2c 10/crawl-ref/source/command.cc: Make get_branch_keys use the proper function to determine if a branch is unfinished
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09:49:37 <elliptic> kilobyte: uh, probability in both cases is A/x, no?
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09:55:42 <dpeg> No zin comments :|
09:55:42 <Henzell> dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
09:55:48 <dpeg> !messages
09:55:48 <Henzell> (1/1) galehar said (29m 51s ago): you'll have to explain what Abyssical travel with morphing does, I don't get it.
09:55:59 <dpeg> galehar: around?
09:56:05 <galehar> yep
09:57:06 <dpeg> Gameplay-wise, the idea is to replace instant travel to/from the Abyss (with Lugonu) by a prolonged effect. Thematically, your dungeon surroundings would corrupt until you're properly in the Abyss (dungeon->abyss).
09:58:48 <dpeg> If it sounds troublesome, just ignore it. I am somewhat interested in this, because it would make Lugonu's self-banish less powerful (currently, it is one of very few instant lifesavers), which would allow us to remove the maxHP cost it has.
10:00:09 <galehar> so it works like a mini corruption, then you're banished after a few turns?
10:00:55 <dpeg> sort of, and the corrupted surroundings would be where you start in the Abyss
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10:01:22 <galehar> well, that's already how new banishment works. You bring a corrupted part of the dungeon with you.
10:02:39 <galehar> but it would be weird if Lugonu's self banishment had a delay when all other sources are instantaneous.
10:03:02 <galehar> and not much better than a mere ?tele
10:03:18 <dpeg> hm, okay!
10:03:51 <dpeg> I guess I am unhappy with the maxhp cost -- you can balance everything with a maxhp cost but it feels so unelegant. Don't worry!
10:07:45 <ais523> I'm not convinced you could balance a spell that increased maxhp with a maxhp cost
10:10:18 <CIA-34> 03elliptic * r274191217f41 10/crawl-ref/source/ (abl-show.cc art-func.h godabil.cc): Fix errors in the conversion to smooth skills (reid).
10:19:04 <Ashenzari> "Random background" only produces Pa and Re (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4596) by reid
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10:31:07 <SamB> ais523: *chuckle*
10:31:39 <SamB> (actually, you could, but it would amount to nothing.)
10:31:56 <ais523> well, balance implies useful but not overpowered
10:32:05 <ais523> if the spell cancelled itself out, it wouldn't be useful
10:35:05 <galefury> well, you could go: current and max hp increased by 20, then decreased by 21 100 turns later
10:35:19 <SamB> kilobyte: and for some reason I'm seeing much less than a gig in my ~/.ccache
10:36:20 <galefury> btw, i posted two spell ideas to the wiki
10:36:27 <SamB> probably because I only have DEBUG=yes, not FULLDEBUG or NO_OPTIMIZE
10:36:31 <galefury> so to all bored people: feel free to discuss/comment
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10:41:05 <SamB> how anyone can stand all that debugging spew, I'm not sure...
10:41:38 <SamB> I might build with it enabled if it didn't spew by default, with no obvious way to turn it off
10:44:13 <Ashenzari> Octopodes can't equip hats (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4597) by q335r49
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11:23:41 * SamB curses the terminfo init string for putty yet again
11:25:31 <SamB> okay, for some reason ^Z doesn't appear to be getting through to crawl as such...
11:26:19 <SamB> is there any reason why 'Z' and 'z' are both mapped to the same wizmode command?
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11:31:42 <SamB> I'm stealing Z for "gain lots of Zot Points", okay?
11:32:21 <SamB> it wasn't documented anyway
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11:40:23 <CIA-34> 03kilobyte * r0ac8e2a4ac1c 10/crawl-ref/source/ (item_use.cc transform.cc transform.h): Untangle redundancy, get rid of can_equip(), fix hats with beaks/horns.
11:40:49 <Zaba> SamB, z/Z used to be cast spell by number/name
11:40:52 <Zaba> if I am not mistaken
11:41:07 <SamB> ah
11:41:25 <Zaba> so they're mapped to the same for backwards compatibility purposes
11:41:26 <SamB> now 'z' is listed for both
11:41:44 <SamB> well, how many wizards do we need to be backwards-compatible with?
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11:42:17 <SamB> if you've got a way to make ^Z work reliably, though, I'm all ears ;-)
11:42:42 <Zaba> not sure, if it's been undocumented for a while then it's okay to reuse it for something else
11:45:01 <SamB> since b50a7b97, dated 2010-02-12
11:49:39 <SamB> well, earlier, actually
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11:49:55 <Zaba> then sure, just use it
11:50:02 <SamB> that commit just *moved* the relevant line ;-)
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11:58:01 <MarvinPA> ooh, kilobyte tidied up some of the confusing equipment transformation messes, lovely
11:58:19 <SamB> what kind of monster likes throwing throwing nets?
11:58:26 <SamB> and how does one wizmode some up with nets?
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12:19:44 <Ashenzari> melded jewellery in bat/hogform still acts; and an interface inconsistency (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4598) by reid
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12:21:16 <ghallberg> reid is on a roll
12:25:20 <mumra> SamB: Gnolls
12:25:45 <mumra> SamB: i'm not sure if MONS lines work in wizmode, but you could try:
12:25:57 <mumra> &Mgnoll ; net
12:25:57 <SamB> hmm, do we really need to list '?' in the wizard help screen? I think it would be reasonable to assume the reader already knew that one.
12:26:22 <SamB> &Mgnoll ; net
12:26:24 <SamB> er
12:26:29 <SamB> wrong window...
12:26:43 <SamB> hmm, that's encouraging
12:26:57 <SamB> _Bad item name: 'net'
12:27:50 <elliptic> throwing net
12:28:07 <SamB> yeah, I figured that was probably it, and it seemed to work too ;-)
12:28:50 * SamB removes '?' from the wizmode help...
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12:40:52 <SamB> huh, there ought to be a way to specify semi-fake player ghosts in MONS specs, based on actual bones...
12:51:37 <mumra> if they were based on actual bones, how would they be semi-fake?
12:55:31 <SamB> well, if you freeze bones and stick them in a vault, those aren't real bones anymore, are they?
12:55:43 <SamB> anyway, it might also be useful for testing...
12:55:50 <SamB> or only
12:56:13 <Xiberia> dg changes up on cdo for testing yet?
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13:00:26 <mumra> Xiberia: no, i don't think it's worth it yet - got another chunk done last night tho
13:00:48 <Xiberia> okay
13:00:55 <Xiberia> just know you're killing me here
13:00:57 <Xiberia> :x
13:01:06 <mumra> haha
13:01:25 <mumra> it's easy enough to compile crawl
13:02:14 <ais523> hmm, Crawl hasn't compiled for me for a while
13:02:16 <ais523> I'll try again
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13:08:27 <kilobyte> !tell dpeg may I add self-assembling Twisted Resurrection as an implementable?  I'm afraid I have too many ideas too little time, and this one is not hard to code and people talk about it favorably.
13:08:27 <Henzell> kilobyte: OK, I'll let dpeg know.
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13:38:06 <Henzell> Eclisiast the Conjurer (L10 DEWz) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed on turn 13794. (D:10)
13:38:47 <Henzell> Eclisiast the Conjurer (L10 DEWz) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed on turn 13794. (D:10)
13:39:45 <Henzell> Eclisiast the Conjurer (L10 DEWz) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed on turn 13794. (D:10)
13:40:18 <Henzell> Eclisiast the Conjurer (L10 DEWz) ASSERT(prog >= 0) in 'skills2.cc' at line 152 failed on turn 13794. (D:10)
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13:46:45 <elliptic> !tell galehar real_skills and changed_skills need more bits so they can go up to 10*27 = 270
13:46:45 <Henzell> elliptic: OK, I'll let galehar know.
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13:52:46 <kilobyte> elliptic: these are never saved, we may fix this ourselves
13:54:43 <elliptic> just giving them more bits probably is fine, yeah... I wasn't completely sure and need to go now myself, but feel free to fix it yourself
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14:05:18 <ghallberg> Is it possible to get stats on how many players use different options?
14:05:41 <kilobyte> as in, config files?
14:05:56 <kilobyte> both CDO and CAO have them world-readable
14:06:14 <ghallberg> Could be worth checking if any are unused...
14:06:19 <ghallberg> So maybe we can remove some.
14:06:20 <BlastHardcheese> download all config files and write an awk script :I
14:06:21 <CIA-34> 03kilobyte * r11ebe60c7fcd 10/crawl-ref/source/skills2.h: Let the saved skill state store skills * 10 (up to 270).
14:07:05 <kilobyte> grep|wc -l ?
14:07:28 <Zannick> "unused" on cdo/cao you mean.
14:07:34 <Zannick> not necessarily unused completely
14:07:41 <ghallberg> Well obviously.
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14:20:25 <SamB> kilobyte: that sounds kind of O(n^2)-like ...
14:21:49 <SamB> hmm, how come monsters don't pay any attention to their target when picking missles?
14:24:24 <kilobyte> SamB: what does sound?  ECONTEXT...
14:24:43 <SamB> kilobyte: the grep thing
14:25:03 <SamB> I mean, you'd be grepping over every config file once for every option...
14:25:32 <SamB> can't be anywhere near optimal
14:25:56 <Zannick> that's O(mn)
14:25:58 <Chousuke> does it matter though
14:26:02 <kilobyte> yeah, but with that amount of data, and an one-time task...
14:26:03 <Zannick> m = number of config files, n = size
14:26:23 <Chousuke> you obviously have gigabytes of config files somewhere
14:26:38 <kilobyte> it's human effort that matters, not computer
14:26:57 <SamB> until the humans are left waiting, yeah
14:27:06 <Zannick> you're really not going to get any better unless you want to write a program to count by option but only reading configs once each
14:27:28 <Zannick> well, hm.
14:27:37 <kilobyte> if there's 50 options, grepping that gigabyte would take a fraction of second (assuming the configs were just wgetted/unpacked and thus are in memory)
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14:27:40 <ais523> libunix.cc:231: error: ‘get_wch’ was not declared in this scope
14:27:43 <Chousuke> could you rip out crawl's config parser and use that
14:27:47 <ais523> I haven't been able to build Crawl for a while, same error each time
14:27:54 <kilobyte> ais523: libncursesw-dev
14:28:02 <ais523> let me upgrade/reinstall that
14:28:25 <ais523> I was going to say, "sounds like a libncursesw error"
14:28:25 <SamB> you can just paste the list from the, er, README.txt was it?
14:28:44 <SamB> (assuming a Debian-based distro)
14:28:45 <kilobyte> libncursesw5-dev on Debian
14:28:51 <ais523> aha, it had got uninstalled somehow
14:28:57 <ais523> which would explain the errors
14:29:07 <Zannick> you can probably grep specifically for options like using a regex "^\w+ ?=" and pipe that to sort
14:29:08 <ais523> I know I've used it before; perhaps it didn't survive a switch of computer like most of my installs did
14:29:16 <kilobyte> some user-friendly autoconfage would be nice...
14:29:44 <SamB> eh
14:29:51 <bhaak> i thought autoconf is a 2 by 4 letter word in here?
14:30:16 <SamB> auto* is painful to get "right"
14:30:22 <ais523> I've seen autoconf applied pretty badly in the past (e.g. the autoconf'ing of Slash'EM isn't really done properly)
14:30:36 <SamB> I don't know if we have the resources to do it
14:30:36 <ais523> I've also done autotools "right" in the past, it took three attempts over the course of several years
14:30:46 <ais523> and I ended up in an argument with esr as to if I'd really done it right or not
14:31:06 <SamB> when I say "right", I mean "reasonably usable"
14:31:08 <ais523> yay, compiled now
14:31:12 <kilobyte> yeah... it gives you a lot of rope to hang yourself
14:31:14 <ais523> SamB: I say "actually correct"
14:31:26 <ais523> the worst autoconfing ever is gcc's, btw
14:31:33 <kilobyte> (unlike cmake and other junk where you have not enough rope to do anything useful)
14:31:39 <SamB> I doubt that
14:31:48 <SamB> Though I won't try to claim it's the best either
14:31:49 <ais523> have you seen it?
14:31:56 <SamB> it's surely messy
14:31:58 <kilobyte> being ANCIENT and written in several obscure languages like m4 makes things worse
14:32:10 <ais523> most autoconfings aren't on a big enough scale to be as bad as gcc's
14:32:24 <SamB> yeah, I think that, given the choice between cmake, SCons, and auto*, I'd pick auto*
14:32:30 <rawrmage> i don't want to know what gcc's autoconf looks like
14:32:32 <rawrmage> at all
14:32:53 <SamB> but at least GCC's seems to work, much of the time
14:33:03 <ais523> the autoconf-based system I made had things like automated tests that both out-of-tree and in-tree builds worked, also it worked for cross-compiling
14:33:10 <bhaak> ofc, the real solution would be not to use C/C++ :-)
14:33:13 <ais523> and automatically worked out dependencies, including in the build system
14:33:20 <SamB> bhaak: not really
14:33:21 <ais523> so if you changed part of the build system, it'd rebuild everything that depended on that
14:33:25 <kilobyte> ais523: yeah, out-of-tree builds are a good thing
14:33:31 <SamB> bhaak: I mean, it can help, sometimes
14:33:42 <SamB> but it's no silver bullet
14:33:48 <kilobyte> so are dependencies... Crawl's makefile it pretty inadequate
14:33:50 <ais523> bhaak: it's C++ in particular that causes the issues
14:34:00 <ais523> because of the fragile way it does member functions
14:34:14 <SamB> ais523: how's that?
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14:34:31 <SamB> I mean, sure, it's fragile, but how is that the trouble with auto*?
14:34:32 <galehar> kilobyte: good work removing can_equip. There might still be some redundancy  in your_trans_can_wear
14:34:33 <Henzell> galehar: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
14:34:38 <kilobyte> it _mostly_ works in gcc but only because it runs "make clean" when even a bit scared; doesn't work for clang or MSVC at all
14:34:39 <ais523> SamB: it's the trouble with C++ build systems in general
14:34:39 <galehar> !kilobyte
14:34:44 <galehar> !messages
14:34:44 <Henzell> (1/1) elliptic said (47m 59s ago): real_skills and changed_skills need more bits so they can go up to 10*27 = 270
14:34:51 <galehar> hehe
14:34:57 <galehar> 270 > 256
14:34:59 <ais523> because any change is going to cause a huge number of dependencies
14:35:02 <galehar> noob mistake :)
14:35:04 <kilobyte> galehar: yeah, there's more to combine
14:35:37 <SamB> kilobyte: GNU Makefiles that can drive MSC scare me
14:36:33 <SamB> though possibly not as much as nmakefiles
14:36:49 <SamB> speaking of which, why is our makefile named "makefile", not "Makefile" as they usually are?
14:37:09 <kilobyte> SamB: there's a wrapper that translates Unix-style arguments (pcc, gcc, icc, clang, tcc, ...) to MSVC
14:37:20 <ais523> the capitalisation is actually significant, but I forget what it means
14:37:30 <SamB> the compiler is actualyl not called msvc ;-P
14:37:32 <galehar> SamB: we hate uppercase
14:37:40 <SamB> huh
14:37:52 <galehar> I'M JOKING
14:38:00 <SamB> hehehe
14:38:08 <SamB> okay, so nobody knows?
14:38:16 <SamB> fair enough, I guess
14:38:23 <kilobyte> SamB: IIRC cygwin (and win32 API in general) has problems with renaming files to a name that differs only in capitalisation
14:38:30 <SamB> hmm
14:38:44 <SamB> certainly there are some snags
14:38:47 <kilobyte> I _think_ these problems were fixed in XP
14:39:05 <kilobyte> possibly NT/2000 as well
14:39:31 <kilobyte> and Crawl started as a DOS program so it's a historic thingy
14:39:34 <SamB> I'm pretty sure the builtin MOVE command works fine for that (under cmd.exe, anyway)
14:41:50 <SamB> but, yeah, quite possibly 9x and/or some NT<5.1 had problems with that...
14:42:28 <kilobyte> just checked on a win2k virtual machine, works
14:43:59 <SamB> even if it did work, though, there'd be some things that'd "work" under POSIX that would get snagged by the case-insensitive matching
14:44:18 <CIA-34> 03galehar * r3eb63268585a 10/crawl-ref/source/newgame.cc: Fix inverted logic (#4596).
14:45:07 <SamB> (though the only things I can think of would have race condtitions)
14:45:52 <SamB> ever seen Cygwin's fork() fail?
14:45:58 <SamB> it's really something
14:46:18 <SamB> oh, but back to the topic of Crawl development...
14:47:01 <SamB> how should I check if an actor is a monster with the M_STATIONARY flag?
14:50:30 <kilobyte> mons_is_stationary() -- it checks both permanent and temporary stationarness
14:50:44 <SamB> I only want permanent
14:50:52 <SamB> since I'm doing the throwing net thing
14:51:43 <kilobyte> mons_class_is_stationary() does this
14:52:07 <kilobyte> (of course, there's the option of checking it directly... but somehow most places use the function)
14:52:10 <CIA-34> 03kilobyte * rbcbc5b47f834 10/crawl-ref/source/ (Makefile Makefile.obj makefile makefile.obj): Use standard capitalization for the Makefile.
14:54:05 * SamB takes note to be extra careful next time he merges into his luadoc branch
14:55:08 <kilobyte> git is quite smart with renames... as long as you're merging a tree, not a contextless patch
14:55:52 <SamB> well, I seem to recall it needing an option to bring its full smartness to bear...
14:56:30 <bhaak> smart as in if it does it, it does it, if it doesn't, it doesn't
14:57:36 <SamB> so, I want to pass act->type, right?
14:57:58 <kilobyte> if you don't care about zombies, yeah
14:58:09 <SamB> what happens with zombies?
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15:02:36 <kilobyte> zombies/skeletons/simulacra/spectrals are supposed to work as the base type where it comes to physical properties
15:03:43 <kilobyte> but not abilities that need magic / skills / etc
15:04:00 <kilobyte> mons_base_type() can handle this
15:04:37 <SamB> all I want to know is if there's any point in netting monsters of that type, really...
15:06:07 <kilobyte> ah, so you want the physical shape... but on the other hand, it's not like I can think of any stationary zombifiables
15:06:31 <kilobyte> so either way will work :p
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15:27:28 <SamB> kilobyte: as I suspected
15:27:50 <SamB> (no stationary zombifiables, I mean)
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15:33:49 <SamB> hmm, how do I check a monster's inventory in wizmode?
15:34:59 <Zannick> xv should work
15:35:38 <SamB> hmm, that seems to need FULLDEBUG or something :-(
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15:35:48 <Zannick> oh :(
15:35:49 * SamB doesn't like that, makes the game virtually unplayable
15:36:03 <SamB> (not because of spoilers, it's just too much scrolling)
15:36:17 <SamB> (I can hardly read text in that color anyway!)
15:36:33 <Zannick> oh yeah, i use debug builds for testing because i don't care to actually play
15:36:42 <Zannick> though hitting the spacebar so much gets annoying
15:36:50 <SamB> exactly
15:37:38 <SamB> if it, say, would only spew during wizmode (and not start in wizmode automatically) I'd be more inclined to use it
15:37:42 * Zannick spent awhile testing his rune mimic patch by using a lot of &zfire storm
15:37:54 <Zannick> to clear vaults:8
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15:41:03 <SamB> well, see you later, I have a driving lesson now
15:41:38 <SamB> (and I guess I could use GDB to figure out the monster's inventory...)
15:43:43 <Zannick> you might as well just load the save in a debug binary
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15:51:16 <kilobyte> Zannick: &G
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15:51:42 <kilobyte> mimics are not monsters yet by that time so won't be removed
15:51:44 <Zannick> kilobyte: yeah, i realized after i was done that that wouldn't banish the undiscovered mimic
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16:56:45 <Gretell> Argoroth (L1 DsAK) ASSERT(num_visits == 0 && levels_seen == 0 || num_visits > 0 && levels_seen > 0) in 'place-info.cc' at line 43 failed. (D:1)
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17:00:08 <SamB> Zannick: to load the save in a debug binary, I would need to wait for one to build...
17:00:34 <Zannick> also true
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17:34:13 <SamB> wow, that's some bad rot...
17:34:19 <SamB> -2/-2 HP
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18:09:17 <SamB> I'm having a bit of trouble with the &M commnad ... it seems to accept the same specs as MONS: lines in .des files, but it there doesn't seem to be a way to prevent the generated monsters from having melee weapons...
18:10:51 <kilobyte> orc ; nothing
18:14:55 * SamB waits for crawl to finish relinking before trying that again
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18:17:13 <kilobyte> apt-get install binutils-gold
18:17:32 <kilobyte> 4-5 times faster link
18:18:35 <SamB> huh
18:18:42 <SamB> it wasn't working for me before
18:18:46 <SamB> for crawl, in particular
18:19:01 <SamB> (at least, I'm pretty sure it was crawl...)
18:20:53 <kilobyte> I think even ancient makefiles for Crawl worked correctly with gold
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18:21:09 <kilobyte> (at least I don't remember Crawl having problems here)
18:21:48 <SamB> it wasn't the makefile that had problems
18:21:59 <SamB> gold just seemed to be crapping out on me for some reason
18:22:25 <SamB> maybe I had a bad build of gold?
18:23:16 <kilobyte> did you build it yourself or took it from some untested repository?
18:23:43 <SamB> "testing" or "unstable", I think
18:23:47 <SamB> probably testing
18:24:11 <kilobyte> there's quite a lot of software that fails to build with gold, but nearly always thanks to incomplete linking data
18:24:40 <kilobyte> I can't remember a broken version of binutils anywhere recently
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18:37:56 <SamB> anyone reported any issues with the delete key and the line reader?
18:41:01 <SamB> 'cuz I, um, fixed one...
18:46:33 <elliptic> kilobyte: tornado likes to rotate monsters through walls... this probably isn't desired?
18:48:36 <elliptic> also, unrelatedly, I appear to have -2 rot
18:48:48 <rawrmage> elliptic: wat
18:48:57 <elliptic> HP: 100/187 (185)
18:49:07 <rawrmage> amusing
18:50:39 <Zannick> temporary hp!
18:51:11 <Fyren> Drink a potion of degeneration at 0 HP to fix it?
18:52:03 <elliptic> !tell galehar I just got "HP: 100/187 (185)"... upon saving and reloading it turned into 100/185. This happened when I maxed a skill and the remaining exp brought fighting from 5 to 7, if that might be relevant.
18:52:03 <Henzell> elliptic: OK, I'll let galehar know.
19:01:17 <Gretell> Fruden (L27 DgWn) ASSERT(feat_is_solid(feat)) in 'beam.cc' at line 1114 failed. (Dis:7)
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19:03:25 <ZChris13> bug
19:03:33 <ZChris13> You can apport items into walls
19:06:29 <elliptic> !lm fruden crash -log
19:06:29 <Sequell> 1. Fruden, XL27 DgWn, T:193447 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Fruden/crash-Fruden-20110923-000112.txt
19:07:13 <elliptic> just a tentacle crash, okay
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19:11:07 <SamB> kilobyte: okay, "&Morc ; nothing" works just fine, but for some reason "&Mgnoll ; nothing . throwing net" does not
19:11:59 <SamB> the gnoll has a throwing net, sure, but this one was also wielding a flail...
19:12:21 <SamB> at least, so the message announcing it said ...
19:12:25 <SamB> maybe the message was early?
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19:14:57 <|amethyst> yeah, the message appears to be wrong
19:15:27 <|amethyst> if I do the same thing, it says it's wielding a random weapon, but when it attacks it's just a plain hit; and when I kill it, it drops nothing
19:16:03 <SamB> also, I just had crawl crash with such a monster around, and the crash file listed the monster as having just the net
19:16:29 <SamB> I'm not sure why it crashed; I couldn't really follow the traceback very well...
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20:53:27 <SamB> how do *I* get an invisible plant?
20:54:42 <Wensley> SamB: how do unseen horrors do it?
20:55:23 <Wensley> looking forward to invisi-oklobs
20:55:29 <Wensley> invisiklobs
21:02:47 <SamB> Wensley: I need one for testing, smartass!
21:03:29 <Torokasi> Crawl needs more invisible things.
21:03:31 <Wensley> SamB: I am telling you how to get one!! Just splice unseen horrors with oklobs
21:03:35 <Torokasi> I recommend invisible yaktaur packs.
21:03:39 <Torokasi> Invisitaurs
21:03:54 <Wensley> Invisigmund
21:04:01 <Adeon> every monster should be invisible
21:04:12 <Wensley> would be a naga buff
21:04:22 <due> ghost crawl: everything is invisible, no sinv. ever.
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21:04:42 <ZChris13> due: it's acidrobin but worse
21:04:50 <Wensley> ??darkrobin
21:04:50 <Henzell> darkrobin[1/1]: You can't see the floor or walls. Everything else is visible!
21:04:55 <Torokasi> all monsters should be invisible, all currently invisible monsters gain invisibility+ which can only be seen by a FeWn
21:04:56 <Wensley> ??blindrobin
21:04:56 <Henzell> blindrobin[1/2]: You can't see any monsters.
21:05:01 <Wensley> ^ that's it
21:05:42 <evilmike> i made an account on one of the servers where all the walls/floor are invisible
21:05:50 <evilmike> you can still see monsters and items but everything else is black
21:05:51 <ZChris13> darkrobin?
21:06:17 <evilmike> oh actually yeah, it was darkrobin... for some reason i thought it was a different name than that
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21:18:11 <mikee_> dorkrobin
21:18:13 <SamB> okay, so, no helpful suggestions? no testing!
21:18:17 <SamB> MWAHAHAHAHAHA
21:18:46 <Zannick> SamB: are you making a new monster entry in mon-data.h for the invis plants?
21:19:02 <SamB> Zannick: I wasn't making any invisible plant
21:19:15 <SamB> I wanted to test code with such a thing
21:19:26 <Zannick> oh
21:19:32 <SamB> just, you know, in case
21:26:09 <CIA-34> 03naesten 07refs/merge-requests/8 * r751ef0b0fab6 10/crawl-ref/source/traps.cc: Plants will no longer get "caught" in nets, even if hit (#4566)
21:26:22 <SamB> whoa, neat
21:26:40 <SamB> who taught CIA that trick?
21:27:03 * SamB suspects kilobyte
21:30:17 <SamB> I guess I really don't need to mention that I fixed #4566?
21:30:37 <SamB> though I might point out that that only fixed part 2
21:32:47 <SamB> part 1 was fixed in the previous commit
21:32:52 <SamB> which CIA missed
21:33:00 <SamB> probably because it only just learned this trick
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21:44:21 <Zannick> SamB: MarvinPA did.
21:44:29 <Zannick> look in crawl-ref/git-hooks/crawl-ref-cia
21:44:54 <MarvinPA> i did wha?
21:46:25 <SamB> or maybe it was actually gitorious that did it?
21:46:56 <SamB> maybe they hadn't been running hooks when merge requests were created/updated
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22:58:10 <Ashenzari> Removing -cTele on Zot:5 is mostly just spammy (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4599) by neil
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