00:14:16 -!- Guest39568 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14:43 -!- Guest39568 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:53 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.10-a0-301-g7d8f2b0 (32) 00:17:27 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:19 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:01:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:22:58 Passage of Golubria fills up search (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4429) by so 01:36:49 -!- Euphoria is now known as Euphoria_AFK 01:49:11 -!- GreatZebu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:01:39 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:09:13 webtiles seems to be down again. 02:09:43 It has been locking up, and then dropping connection every few minutes... 02:09:54 Oh,it finally loaded. 02:10:00 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:22 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:43 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:37:19 -!- Euphoria_AFK has left ##crawl-dev 02:41:24 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:06 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:41 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:26:50 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 03:42:12 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:04:21 -!- Euph0riaX has joined ##crawl-dev 04:04:21 -!- Euph0riaX has quit [Changing host] 04:04:21 -!- Euph0riaX has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:34 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:50 could you update http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/ ? 04:26:08 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:55 ortoslon: IIRC the builds still track 0.9 04:32:08 updating that for recent bugfixes might be a good idea, though 04:40:10 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:05:52 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: something happened] 05:22:54 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:30:00 kilobyte, #4428 sounds really scary, but I have no idea how it could have happened. 05:31:42 Zaba: yeah, I don't think anything changes depths of anything but Lair branches (if your analysis of the save is correct) 05:32:22 kilobyte, I didn't analyze the save, I changed &: so it printed branches with startdepth of -1 to confirm 05:33:08 and yeah, depths are only initialized in one spot which is pretty straightforward 05:33:24 and startdepth of zot is not even supposed to be touched there, it's preinitialized to 27 in branch-data.h 05:34:41 the only case where it can legitimately be set to -1 is Sprint 05:35:38 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:36:37 hah 05:36:41 restart_after_game 05:36:51 oh 05:37:42 kilobyte, so if a normal game is played after sprint in the same instance of crawl, zot won't appear in the game 05:38:05 hehe 05:38:16 new game mode: marathon 05:47:28 DoomRL's Angel of 100 05:47:29 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:48:18 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:20 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: DCSS Development | Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 05:52:12 03kilobyte * r4aa0b7b2c7ec 10/crawl-ref/source/test/bstair-gen.lua: A ./crawl --test to ensure Zot, Pan and Hells portals get placed. 05:54:18 this test can't catch the restart_after_game bug, it would the no Pan portal bug from a few months ago though 05:56:31 Zaba: will you fix resetting branch depths, or should I? 05:57:03 kilobyte, I'm not sure how to do it best, so feel free to 06:05:01 -!- galehar_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:08:06 03galehar * r02f3f9fc477c 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-cast.cc mon-stuff.cc mon-util.cc mon-util.h store.cc): Fix mons_threat_level leaking info about fake Rakshasa. 06:08:06 03galehar * r1017e31b6796 10/crawl-ref/source/ (directn.cc output.cc): Remove duplicate code. 06:08:06 03galehar * r63ccf7708151 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mislead.cc mon-cast.cc): Fix fake Maras being displayed separately from Mara in the monster list. 06:08:06 03galehar * r525154a502f1 10/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc: Don't offer to identify misc items other than crystal balls. 06:11:40 galehar_: decks? 06:12:37 they are special cased in fully_identified() 06:14:08 ok, cool 06:14:29 they are special cased in _item_class_selected actually 06:16:05 03kilobyte * re427313db520 10/crawl-ref/source/ng-init.cc: Fix missing portals to Zot on D:27 (ouch!). 06:18:06 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.9 * rbcf2cfdf3e32 10/crawl-ref/source/ng-init.cc: Fix missing portals to Zot on D:27 (ouch!). 06:38:13 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:12 -!- edlothiol has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42:13 -!- diazepan has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:40 -!- galehar_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:44:23 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:18 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 07:27:30 -!- diazepan has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:30 -!- RichardHawk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:39 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:28:08 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:05 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:47 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:08 -!- MarvinPA__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:15 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:49:41 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49:59 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50:24 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:23 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:51:39 -!- hoody has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51:55 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:17 -!- Noeda is now known as Adeon 08:57:28 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:58:05 -!- MarvinPA__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:58:34 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:17:08 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:44 03kilobyte * r50f052544948 10/crawl-ref/source/ (losglobal.cc losglobal.h): More than double the speed of LOS calculations. 09:20:54 03kilobyte * r36d3879b72b3 10/crawl-ref/source/test/stress/run: Fix broken copypasta. 09:40:08 03flodiebold * r3826f994bf47 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Add rc file editing to Webtiles. 09:40:08 03flodiebold * r22a491d394ec 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Allow sorting the game list in Webtiles. 09:40:08 03flodiebold * ree71ab2ab78c 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/server.py: Log the shutdown reason in the Webtiles server. 09:40:09 03flodiebold * r9763c9453197 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/server.py: Webtiles: Run the user init script after login, not before starting a game. 09:40:09 03flodiebold * r427edc942a68 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/server.py: Webtiles: Don't reset idle time on control messages. 09:40:10 03flodiebold * r3e347da89637 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/ (server.py templates/banner.html): Allow changing the Webtiles banner after the user logs in. 09:40:10 03flodiebold * r99cc9d8616ee 10/crawl-ref/source/webserver/templates/game_links.html: Webtiles: Split the game links over multiple lines. 09:40:51 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:23 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:59:33 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:18 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:29 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:02 MarvinPA: about katanas: having Bloodbane be a katana like you changed it to in December would require drawing a set of tiles for it, so it'd be easier to have it a demon blade (more fitting the name, too), but then, we have a set of katana tiles so there could be another fixedart 10:21:41 MarvinPA: is there a japanese-like theme you can think of? 11:04:30 do i have any way of forcing a plate mail to take the levitation ego in a vault definition? 11:05:24 IIRC the code checks the lev brand only on boots 11:05:29 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:05:37 you'd have to fix that first, but that's not a big deal 11:07:01 git grep SPARM_LEVIT 11:07:11 i don't really know any programming stuff 11:08:06 no problem, I can do it for you; in half an hour though 11:08:13 oh thanks! 11:09:05 i'm making a sprint map and i want some uniques to be able to walk over deep water, will be so much easier if i can just give them levitation plate mails 11:12:53 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:13:17 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:43 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:17:42 -!- hoody has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:34:59 -!- st_ has quit [] 11:39:11 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 11:39:17 -!- Sabaki_|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:47 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:20 -!- Sabaki has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:25 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:46 -!- ussdefiant_ is now known as ussdefiant 11:44:08 03kilobyte * re1f5d587d1e0 10/crawl-ref/source/ (17 files in 7 dirs): Finish the removal of katanas. 11:44:12 03kilobyte * r68021908300c 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-gear.cc: Don't use misleading colours for monster gear. 11:44:12 03kilobyte * r730006648f61 10/crawl-ref/source/ (5 files): Plate mails of levitation, for Mu's nefarious purposes. 11:44:57 thanks kilobyte! 11:57:19 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:54 kilobyte, Mu: if the level syntax is correct, then you could already give any ego to any item. 11:58:32 I think it is used in some Ice Cave which hands out gloves and caps of rC. 11:58:39 Sorry for not being around when Mu_ asked. 11:58:48 when i tried it just produced an error, 'sprint_5_mu.des:183: Ego 'levitation' is incompatible with item 'plate mail'.' 11:59:02 dpeg: no, there was a number of places that had to be changed 11:59:40 works now anyway :P 12:00:08 perma-lev code looked only at boots in four places, monsters didn't use armour of levitation (no monsters wear boots), there was no support for having multiple items 12:00:43 if you had both a plate and boots of levitation, taking one off would kill you over lava 12:01:28 I hope I fixed all such issues, but I won't bet my life on that 12:01:44 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:02:55 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:26 dpeg: Ilsuiw had for some reason an etc_ice trident, even hardly any unrands don't use elemental colours. Do you know if she was supposed to have an artefact? 12:09:10 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:35 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:42 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:06 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:04 -!- Guest39568 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:16:49 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:13 thanks for explanation (sorry, kids interfered) 12:22:26 so this means the documentation was wrong, but is correct now`? 12:22:37 (if you want, I can dig up the relevant passage) 12:23:14 kilobyte: no, I don't know about Ilsuiw's background 12:26:29 yay, just found a previously unknown vanilla NetHack bug 12:39:48 is the player of ryzol in here? 12:39:54 -!- greatzebu has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:35 -!- aristid has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 12:40:36 ais523: tell Pat! 12:41:06 I am 12:41:10 right now 12:41:18 he's been rather deluged by me over the past couple of months 12:42:29 ais523, are you trying to brainwash him into releasing a new vanilla version? 12:42:38 maybe not brainwash 12:42:46 also, I get the feeling that Pat really wants to, but is being outvoted 12:42:54 possibly because devs vote no by default and he's the only dev still active 12:45:08 -!- aristid_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:17 -!- jpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:26 ais523: I am afraid of the same 13:04:58 he even described $NEXTVERSION as "mythical"! on RGRN! signing his real name on the message! 13:05:35 hmm... this is the second time I see a reference to said mythical post, but I don't see it anywhere 13:05:44 well, again, recently 13:05:45 let me find it 13:06:01 also if that really is their policy, then... yuck! 13:06:12 jpeg: he really said it! 13:06:37 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/b4123ea7f3b119f0 13:06:41 there, proof 13:07:08 ais523: that's the most recent one about secret door detection on the plane of water? 13:07:15 yep 13:07:21 i see, so it's really just a throw-away comment 13:07:26 IIRC there was one before that 13:07:30 but I can't remember where 13:07:51 but of course if that's the kind of changes that the next version can boast of... 13:08:08 thanks, ais523 13:08:30 jpeg: I don't you can blame that on Pat... of course people expect a miracle after ten years, and that won't happen. 13:08:33 *think 13:08:34 well, they only seem to divulge $NEXTVERSION changes when someone directly guesses what they are and asks a direct question 13:08:44 they = Pat 13:08:46 -!- Euph0riaX is now known as Euphoria 13:08:55 we can safely assume that all the other ones are dormant, or dead 13:08:56 I've managed to eke out a bit more info than is publicly known by submitting bug reports 13:09:04 in fact, I found a bug in $NEXTVERSION, although by mistake 13:09:04 who else? 13:09:11 because I didn't have a copy of it 13:09:23 it's been Pat every time for me, although apparently other bug reporters occasionally get other devs 13:10:19 still, the policy of "everyone must vote 'yes' to ship a new version" sounds highly probably 13:10:49 this would be as if Brent could veto DCSS 0.9... 13:11:14 "everyone" might or might not include devs that are inactive, incommunicado or dead 13:11:19 right 13:11:56 veto by inaction 13:12:51 -!- cesium has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:04 well, they teach us how not to do it. at least 13:13:24 the other thing is that Pat is a port maintainer, and at least as of 3.4.0 wasn't a core devteam member 13:13:29 anyway, I'm having a blast playing webtiles :) 13:13:34 it's possible he doesn't even have all the code, just that appropriate to his own port 13:14:44 first time I'm trying out Yred, too 13:15:06 jpeg: Yrdy is great, isn't he? 13:15:44 now I'm starting to get gifts he is 13:15:51 also injury mirror is pretty powerful 13:16:20 especially considering all I wanted for my spriggan was a use for all those corpses 13:16:53 having really bad luck with items, though 13:17:00 jpeg: i'm sure $NEXT_VERSION doesn't even have html dumplogs! 13:17:00 injury mirror is awesome, but also costly 13:17:05 great for ghosts 13:17:08 my best item is a randart ring with rC+ and -CAST 13:17:25 jpeg: me KeAE bit it :( 13:17:40 but that doesn't even matter because I have found about 2 spellbooks I could actually read 13:18:12 dpeg: sorry to hear that 13:19:06 we have so many long streaks in the tournament... I wonder what we should learn from that :) 13:19:06 dpeg: i've got answers by others but you have to trigger their interest. at least one of my bugs was amiga only (resp. maybe also triggered by atari). 13:19:49 bhaak: I am not sure if the art of Nethack archeology is so fruitful :) 13:20:05 dpeg: what we learn is that some players are just really, really good 13:20:11 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:20:45 and that crawl must have a certain appeal for them to still continue playing 13:21:13 yes, it is too easy :P 13:22:35 dpeg: it was a bug that would never have been triggered on real amiga hardware unless you really, really pimped it and it was triggered when i was porting nethack to a modern reimplementation of the AmigaOS. so, no nethack archeology. at least in this case :) 13:23:20 ah, "too easy". you really wanna see more forks ;-) 13:23:31 dtsund would be shouting at this conversation if he could see it 13:23:35 well, it is about obscure stunts with an obscure version of an obscure game 13:24:17 well, the fact that some players seem to be able to win 100% should trigger designer alerts 13:24:37 dpeg: the vast majority of computer games can be won 100% by even bad players 13:25:27 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:42 and then there are games that can't be won at all, like global thermonucular war. 13:27:36 bhaak: I heard someone planning a TAS of that; they'd found a glitch that made winning possible 13:27:47 by making it impossibe for opponents to retaliate in time 13:29:14 ais523: that is not a good indicator of quality 13:29:39 almost all computer games employ saving and cripple themselves this way 13:29:45 dpeg: obviously not, because basically every game in existence has a 100% winrate 13:29:50 for people who try 13:29:59 Crawl doesn't, but how does that measure anything? 13:30:12 Nethack suffers a lot more from winnability than Crawl. This means that a whole lot of the game is actually unnecessary in order to win. 13:30:29 and I think it's possible to argue that that's a good thing 13:30:46 Or, put another way: the challenge is too lush to distinguish really good players (and then they resort to silly conducts instead) 13:31:03 is playing mummy not a silly conduct? 13:31:41 I suppose the issue is, can you make the game /exactly/ difficult enough that casual players can get a decent win rate (or win at all), and experts can get a much better winrate but not 100% 13:31:57 ais523: yes, I think so 13:31:58 you've left yourself with only the one knob to control difficulty, "difficulty of the entire game" 13:32:08 because you have to do the entire game in order to win, or at least that's the idea 13:32:17 (actually, you have two atm: 3-runers, and 15-runers) 13:32:23 the crawl tournament is full of silly conducts as banners, too :P 13:32:29 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:35 my ideal is that unspoiled/casual players will eventually win if they're prepared to learn from their mistakes; and that no player can win infinitely 13:32:40 (but the way I hear expert players talk, it's as if 15-runers aren't that much harder, just take longer) 13:32:53 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:00 currently, we seem to have a slight problem with the second clause (I'd say that Nethack has a big problem there, but it's no my problem) 13:33:21 MarvinPA: you know the Nethack conducts! Ours are cheesecake against that. 13:33:32 dpeg: I don't think there's anything wrong with a guaranteed winrate as long as there are different "qualities" of win, or even that each win feels different 13:33:33 even if a good player has a 10% chance of losing, they will still streak to 20 wins about 12% of the time 13:33:41 also, some NetHack conducts are very easy 13:33:45 I think it would be neat if the tournament had a second set of banners only available for non-winners 13:33:46 well, i've never played any nethack to compare what the conducts are like so i couldn't say 13:33:50 like artiwishless, which I rarely break even when not trying to keep conducts 13:33:51 greatzebu: I know, this is why I am only a little concerned 13:33:54 crawl tournament, that is 13:34:36 ais523: hey, all my games were elbereth-less, genoless, artifact-wishless -- guess that NH players are trained to make it harder for themselves 13:34:40 crawl is frustrating enough that i rarely play outside of the tournaments 13:34:54 branchless and lairless wins are pretty nice/challenging conducts, i don't know how those compare to nethack ones though 13:35:00 jpeg: good idea... we should have some tasks for non-winners 13:35:19 Zannick: did you get a win? 13:35:24 the jiyva banner is a good one for that 13:35:33 dpeg: yeah, i've won once so far this tournament 13:35:39 MarvinPA: they have stuff like "illiterate", "atheist" etc. 13:35:43 MarvinPA: minesless/sokoless is a little like branchless, but it's different in nature because it basically just removes interesting options rather than increasing the scope for creativity 13:35:47 none in t11a, twice in t10, thrice in t09 13:35:50 and it's not officially tracked 13:35:54 Zannick: same for me" 13:36:00 dpeg: I notice that atheist is entirely viable as a Crawl conduct too 13:36:02 dpeg: right, but having not played much nethack i don't know how severe that actually is :P 13:36:14 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:17 MarvinPA: don't even venture to find out! 13:36:21 heh 13:36:34 i tried a couple of times but i'm oh so spoiled by the crawl interface :) 13:36:36 there's exactly 1 player right now with the atheist banner 13:36:53 trust the elders that your roguelike desires can be satisfied by Crawl quite well 13:36:56 illiterate in NetHack mostly hurts spellcasters 13:37:16 jpeg: yes, I noted that some banners are open 13:37:17 MarvinPA: you could try my variant AceHack, I'm aiming for a better interface than Crawl (I'm not sure if it's quite there yet, although it's already beating it in many respects IMO) 13:37:19 dpeg: I was thinking of some of the stuff suggested for crawl "awards" 13:37:33 dpeg: basically encouraging players to try something new 13:38:00 different gods (high piety), large range of species/backgrounds 13:38:05 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:06 hmm, if you have to do the entire game and skip nothing in order to even be able to win, then there isn't anything new to try 13:40:09 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:15 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 13:43:59 UglyThing (L8 MfSk) ERROR in 'tileview.cc' at line 922: non-door tile (Ossuary) 13:48:59 -!- ixtli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:35 -!- ixtli has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49:35 -!- ixtli_ is now known as ixtli 13:51:32 -!- jpeg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:52:25 damn, now she's gone 13:52:48 we have one kind of banner like that, which is given when you reach level 9 with 9 different combinations 13:53:34 which is hard to get for people who want to win a given character and keep trying 13:53:53 i guess that's not really a problem 13:54:58 well, i'll try something new next, i suppose 13:59:22 back later 14:03:55 -!- Nexos has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:02 Vehumet didn't gift me bolt of cold/IMB books while I received Annihilations. The former were in books sold in shops. Normal? 14:05:48 Zannick: but it encourages players to vary their style of play 14:19:26 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:17 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:00 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:50:05 mac crawl tiles dead? 14:50:07 sad panda 14:54:16 hoody: multiple people have made mac crawl binaries for 0.9, but they haven't made it to the downloads page 14:54:25 oh. 14:54:30 where can I get some of that good sauce? 14:54:53 http://charm.cs.illinois.edu/~abecker/crawl/ 14:55:34 you are the living embodiment of sexual pleasure 14:57:27 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:51 that's what i keep telling people, but most people just give me weird looks 15:06:52 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:04 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:28:09 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:35 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:04:44 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:05:29 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:55 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:07:09 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 16:10:40 -!- Letchik has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:05 Webtiles sometimes hang in firefox 6 16:11:29 Input keys are sent to server but i don't see what's happening anymore 16:11:35 it freezes 16:11:48 so i see freezem try to press keys multiple times 16:11:51 then reload 16:11:56 and see that what i pressed did work 16:12:01 and i'm dea 16:12:02 dead 16:12:06 it sucks 16:12:12 in chrome everything worked great 16:15:01 I think it might be a server problem, because I've had the same thing happen to me multiple times today (in chrome), but it was never a problem in the past 16:16:32 it's a problem that occurs in non-tiles as well on occasion. 16:16:44 usually it's server latency or a poor connection 16:17:08 i generally hit space or escape or some key that does nothing to verify that i'm connected without potentially killing me 16:18:35 it never happened to me before today 16:18:45 ah great 16:18:48 i pressed some keys 16:18:53 and now i am near centaur warrior 16:18:56 and i have 27 hp 16:20:50 trouble always starts with pressing keys 16:23:05 Eronarn: wisely spoken 16:23:41 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:23 onwiheg (L6 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileview.cc' at line 922: non-door tile (Ossuary) 16:26:18 -!- Nexos is now known as Nexos_ 16:27:15 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:27:21 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 16:36:45 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:04 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:34 -!- blabber has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:43 -!- diazepan has joined ##crawl-dev 17:38:19 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:34 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:39:59 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:23 ??hellion 17:42:51 hellion[1/1]: Most dangerous of the common demons. Hellfire, hellfire, and more hellfire, and moves enough faster than you that it often double hellfires. Beware of orc sorcerers! 17:43:31 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 17:44:19 -!- hoody has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:44:47 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:52 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Changing host] 17:44:52 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:52 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Client Quit] 17:45:51 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:10 -!- greatzebu has quit [Quit: greatzebu] 17:53:10 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:58:59 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 18:00:56 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:08 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Client Quit] 18:01:35 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:24 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:55 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:05:00 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:54 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:35 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:59 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:44 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:14 -!- hoody has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:20:37 03galehar * r0a80877a7f30 10/crawl-ref/source/items.cc: Only confirm gold pickup on partial stack pickup. 18:20:38 03galehar * r87984ce35d17 10/crawl-ref/source/ (tag-version.h tags.cc): Minor cosmetic fix. 18:20:38 03galehar * rb762f59af98f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (main.cc mislead.cc mislead.h mon-util.cc monster.cc): Don't leak info on real monster threat level when misled. 18:20:38 03galehar * rbd9f04897e08 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): Add monster threat level to monster_info. 18:20:39 03galehar * r7d58bf78f8d9 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Minor cosmetic fix. 18:20:45 03galehar * rb691fff8e025 10/crawl-ref/source/ (describe.cc output.cc player.cc): Simplify. 18:20:45 03galehar * r4d2a4b150e18 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Add monster threat level to description. 18:20:45 03galehar 07mimics * r0bc8b2a76ac9 10/crawl-ref/ (106 files in 14 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into mimics 18:21:42 -!- galehar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:27:29 -!- GreatZebu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:48 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 18:30:27 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:32:11 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:32 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Quit: leaving screen] 18:43:27 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:22 -!- the_glow has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:57 hello all, idk if anyone here might know this but im looking for clarification on how streaks are handled across the two servers 18:56:41 i just won one game on CAO, went to start another and fucked up and fatfingered a combo i do not want to play - if i just save it, and start a new game on CDO, will it count towards the streak or will timestamps fuck it up or something? 18:58:24 if you don't touch it, you'll be fine. just as long as you started the new game on cdo after the other one finished on cao 18:58:30 ie the win on cao 18:59:15 ie if you don't touch the bad combo on cao 18:59:37 Zannick: oh, great, thats a relief to hear. i thought i was going to be stuck trying to play out this MfAs 18:59:44 many thanks for the advice 18:59:50 -!- Nexos_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:32 isn't there a check specifically for this abuse? 19:02:08 afaik the only restrictions are start and end time 19:02:25 i think it'll confuse the scripts if you finish that cao game before the tourney end 19:02:34 so if you are on 5 hp surrounded by royal jelly spawns you can't switch to the other server 19:03:41 kilobyte: yeah, i assumed that there would be some kind of check in place because it struck me as pretty exploitable 19:03:45 i think the check is that you can't save on the d:1 upstair, go win on the other server, and then return to the first one to streak 19:03:59 that's what the start_time > prev_end_time does 19:04:28 yeah 19:04:51 i have not gone codediving into the tourney scripts so i'm not perfectly clear on that case, kilobyte 19:05:09 but it definitely prevents win stacking 19:05:12 if you're on 5hp you unfortunately can switch to the other server to continue a streak 19:05:40 yes, this is a known flaw 19:05:45 i think elliptic was aware of it and asked people nicely not to abuse it at the start of the tourney :P 19:05:47 if you wanted to go that far, i guess you could track milestones, too :P 19:06:03 not sure how you'd even fix it without disallowing streaks on multiple servers 19:06:28 check that there are no milestones between the games? 19:06:43 that won't be perfect coverage, of course 19:07:24 but that also gives a little leeway if someone fatfingers the combo they want to play 19:07:40 I suppose you could check to see that only the *first* game started after the most recent winning game can count for a streak 19:07:50 that actually sounds reasonable 19:07:57 Exploiting that glitch would require me to play a game from across the Atlantic anyway, which is nowhere near worth it 19:08:18 i'm in california and it's better for me to play on cdo due to the load on cao :P 19:08:23 hah 19:08:58 hah same for me 19:09:07 Local games: ping of 0 ms! \o/ 19:09:28 !lg * t min=dur x=src 19:09:30 23968. [src=cdo] Sebi the Magician (L1 DEWn), got out of the dungeon alive. on 2011-08-15, with 50 points after 1 turn and 0:00:00. 19:09:35 i wonder how much it would cost to set up a california crawl server 19:09:37 !lg * t min=dur x=src -2 19:09:37 23967. [src=cdo] Sebi the Skirmisher (L1 DEWn), got out of the dungeon alive. on 2011-08-15, with 50 points after 1 turn and 0:00:00. 19:09:39 !lg * t min=dur x=src -3 19:09:39 23966. [src=cdo] Sebi the Ducker (L1 DEWn), got out of the dungeon alive. on 2011-08-21, with 50 points after 1 turn and 0:00:00. 19:09:43 dur 19:09:52 !lg * t won min=dur x=src 19:09:56 Sludge elf birserker 19:10:30 !lg * t won 19:10:45 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:10:52 134. [src=cdo] 78291 the Purifying Dwarf (L17 DDHe), worshipper of Elyvilon, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-08-19, with 3357977 points after 19460 turns and 2:32:44. 19:10:52 134. theglow the Champion of Chaos (L27 GhMo), worshipper of Makhleb, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-08-23, with 1285402 points after 125583 turns and 10:56:22. 19:11:07 !lg * t won min=dur x=src -2 19:11:10 133. [src=cdo] MarvinPA the Spry (L23 HaVM), worshipper of Vehumet, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-08-13, with 1216004 points after 89655 turns and 3:47:46. 19:11:15 !lg * t won min=dur x=src -3 19:11:18 132. [src=cdo] elliptic the Imperceptible (L22 SpEn), worshipper of Ashenzari, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-08-15, with 1598259 points after 57297 turns and 4:03:29. 19:11:28 !lg * t won min=dur src=cao 19:11:32 60. reid the Conqueror (L24 MDBe), worshipper of Trog, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-08-13, with 1513352 points after 70871 turns and 4:47:20. 19:11:53 yes, all the fastest games are on cdo. although perhaps all the best players just play on cdo (although perhaps they play there because it's so much faster!) 19:12:19 that's the first win there, on cao, i believe 19:12:23 !lg * t won 1 19:12:29 1. reid the Conqueror (L24 MDBe), worshipper of Trog, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2011-08-13, with 1513352 points after 70871 turns and 4:47:20. 19:12:33 yep 19:12:35 hmm 19:13:02 perhaps the immense lag on cao gave reid the chance to plan his or her moves more wisely :) 19:13:16 tortoise/hare scenario 19:13:53 there were a couple of splats, too 19:13:58 !lm * t type=orb 1 19:14:50 1. [2011-08-13] elliptic the Unseen (L22 HaVM) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 19:14:52 yes, precisely 19:14:55 !lm * t type=orb 2 19:15:00 2. [2011-08-13] reid the Conqueror (L24 MDBe) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5) 19:15:07 cdo was running at such lightning speed that their games got away from them :P 19:15:12 :P 19:15:25 !lg t 1 19:15:25 1. jokeserver the Covered (L6 MiFi), slain by Sigmund (a +0,+0 scythe) on D:3 on 2011-08-13, with 551 points after 5445 turns and 0:21:23. 19:15:47 such lightning speed 19:16:00 that's actually a lot slower than I expected 19:16:15 figured someone would have gone down in less than four seconds 19:16:22 !lg * t 1 19:16:26 1. nmf the Chiller (L1 MfIE), slain by a goblin (a +0,+1 orcish club) on D:1 (dpeg entry caged fury) on 2011-08-13, with 20 points after 97 turns and 0:00:33. 19:16:35 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:43 that sigmund death was my first death in the tourney :P 19:16:52 !lg * t splat=y 19:16:52 137. Skan the Dwarven Barricade (L27 MDFi), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by a hellion (burst of hellfire) on Dis:7 (dis old) on 2011-08-23, with 514461 points after 117323 turns and 10:31:18. 19:17:00 !lg * t splat=y 1 19:17:03 1. elliptic the Unseen (L22 HaVM), worshipper of Trog, blasted by a Pit Fiend (blast of hellfire) on D:18 on 2011-08-13, with 250061 points after 36315 turns and 3:02:41. 19:17:25 !lg * t11a 19:17:27 32655. kummafoo the Stinger (L7 HuVM), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, mangled by a red ugly thing (summoned by the player character) on D:7 on 2011-05-29, with 710 points after 4079 turns and 0:53:41. 19:17:44 !lg * t11a splay=y 1 19:17:44 Unknown selector: splay 19:17:48 !lg * t11a splat=y 1 19:17:50 1. xw the Ripper (L17 FeBe), worshipper of Trog, shot by a vault guard (bolt of flame) on Vault:8 (vaults vault) on 2011-05-14, with 167180 points after 55012 turns and 0:48:34. 19:20:29 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:24:17 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:44 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:35 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:16 heyeye (L20 MuEE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 104: ZotDef: monster it failed to pathfind to (39,48) (the Orb) (D:1 (ZotDef)) 19:56:42 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:47 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:03:55 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 20:13:47 -!- djinni has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:13:47 -!- ivan has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 20:15:32 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:32 -!- ivan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:19 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:26:36 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:49 -!- diazepan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:13 -!- diazepan has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:53:16 -!- diazepan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:26 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:54:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:04:49 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:13:28 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:00 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:02 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:58 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:49 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Client Quit] 22:09:32 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:11:20 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 22:20:03 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 22:40:35 -!- cesium has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:08:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 23:21:49 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:57:18 -!- GreatZebu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:57:19 -!- GreatZebu has quit [Read error: No route to host] 23:57:19 -!- GreatZebu_ is now known as GreatZebu