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00:54:49 <Henzell> IonFrigate the Digger (L2 GhEE)  (D:1)
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01:54:59 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.10-a0-289-gcd59c33 (32)
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02:52:04 <Letchik> webtiles not working
02:52:04 <Letchik> pls fix it
02:54:32 <Wensley> Letchik: they well be informed as soon as they are awake :P
02:54:50 <Wensley> take this opportunity to get some sleep :)
02:54:55 <Wensley> here, I will leave them a note right now
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02:56:24 <Wensley> !tell Napkin Webtiles went down unexpectedly somewhere around midnight my time, 5:00 AM GMT. Not sure what caused it, perhaps just extreme server load?
02:56:25 <Henzell> Wensley: OK, I'll let Napkin know.
02:56:37 <prono> who knows email to crawl.akrasiac.org admin ?
02:56:37 <Wensley> !tell edlothiol Webtiles went down unexpectedly somewhere around midnight my time, 5:00 AM GMT. Not sure what caused it, perhaps just extreme server load?
02:56:38 <Henzell> Wensley: OK, I'll let edlothiol know.
02:56:45 <Wensley> prono: what's the issue?
02:57:13 <prono> my game crashed and I cant find someone who can fix it
02:57:29 <Wensley> !lm prono crash -log
02:57:29 <Sequell> 12. Prono, XL18 VpSu, T:88100 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Prono/crash-Prono-20110820-044801.txt
02:57:37 <Wensley> is this you?
02:57:40 <prono> yes
02:58:39 <prono> I dumped savegame but no one has passowrd to crawl.akrasiac.org saves directory
02:59:13 <Wensley> rax: if you're there, someone's asking about fixing their CAO game, not sure if you can help
02:59:50 <prono> https://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/dumps/Prono-crawl-git-24ac8eed43-110820-0359.tar.bz2
03:00:12 <prono> I can try to fix it myself but I can't get it
03:00:36 <Wensley> weird, I can't seem to access that page
03:00:46 <Wensley> you say that you can get in?
03:00:47 <Letchik> !tell Henzell test
03:00:48 <Henzell> Letchik: OK, I'll let Henzell know.
03:01:11 <prono> I dont know password
03:01:51 <Wensley> prono: well it's a good thing that players can't get in and modify their saves, that leads to cheating :P but yeah, we'll get this sorted out... in the meantime, you could try playing on 0.9
03:01:53 <Zaba> prono, nobody does!
03:02:14 <Zaba> prono,  crawl.akrasiac.org/Prono-tmp.tar.bz2
03:02:28 <Zaba> prono, rax posted a link yesterday, you should've paid attention
03:02:53 <Wensley> prono: sorry for the inconvenience :) but yeah, when you're playing trunk, you have to accept terrible crash bugs
03:02:59 <prono> It was good game I want to finish it offline
03:03:14 <prono> thank you
03:03:22 <Zaba> prono, I don't think any of the devs have looked at it yet
03:03:28 <Zaba> not in thorough detail, at any rate
03:03:42 <Letchik> Does CDO ssh server work?
03:04:48 <Zaba> Letchik, try it and see?
03:05:11 <Zaba> prono, I've no idea how an invalid feature has snuck into your savefile
03:05:32 <Wensley> Letchik: cdo ssh works for me, webtiles does not
03:05:55 <Letchik> Can i continue playing my webtiles save in ascii?
03:08:07 <Wensley> Letchik: sadly, no... webtiles is very new, and something of that order would require a complete overhaul of crawl's architecture which may or may not ever happen
03:08:22 <Wensley> actually, it might not be that hard with a few hacks...
03:08:42 <Wensley> depends on how the internal representation of tiles games differs from console games
03:08:54 <Wensley> wait, what am I saying
03:08:57 <Wensley> I do this all the time
03:09:07 <Wensley> excuse me, I'm very, very tired
03:09:30 <Wensley> you *can* effortlessly transfer saves between local versions, but not online as of yet
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03:55:19 <ortoslon> i have a suggestion to show weilded weapons in skeletons' tiles, like it's done with zombies and skeleton warriors
03:55:37 <ortoslon> should that go to https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:tiles:tiles_improvement or https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:tiles:tiles_interface ?
04:03:36 <kilobyte> ortoslon: that's pretty trivial if the tile in question has a hand in appropriate position
04:04:23 <kilobyte> it's a matter of finding out the right offset (usually takes a few tries and compiles to get it right) and putting it into tilemcache.cc
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04:09:17 <kilobyte> too bad, large humanoid skeletons certainly have their hand in a wrong position, and for small humanoids, it'd be a stretch
04:09:37 <kilobyte> centaurs and nagas are fine
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04:30:49 <cbus> kilobyte, are you a dev?
04:33:04 <kilobyte> I happen to be one, yeah.
04:33:06 <cbus> when cycling stairs with <> in map mode it should prioritize normal stairs
04:33:12 <cbus> does that sound like a decent FR?
04:33:32 <kilobyte> uhm, why?
04:33:43 <cbus> cause normally you don't want to go through the brownish stairs
04:33:55 <cbus> since you don't have < back up
04:33:58 <cbus> if there is something nice
04:35:51 <kilobyte> the more stairs you have went through, the smarter autotravel can be
04:36:08 <cbus> yeah but I'm talking about when cycling with > when in map mode (when you press X)
04:36:09 <kilobyte> so it's a good idea to visit all of them
04:36:34 <kilobyte> in that case you usually want to go out of the level quickly
04:38:09 <cbus> how does the new skill system work if you have all skills except armour disabled?
04:38:50 <Letchik> i want my webtiles back
04:38:55 <Letchik> when will admins wake up?
04:41:12 <prono> Zaba: I fixed my savegame by regenerating abyss level on load
04:41:54 <Zaba> well yes, the abyss level in your save had some invalid feature
04:44:51 <prono> well, you have my save for debug ;)
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04:57:44 <pattern> when starting as a kobold enchanter in stone-soup 0.9.0, i get this error:  "Lua error: Can't find 'lua/pickup.lua'"
05:00:58 <kilobyte> pattern: you did copy the config file (ok, that's needed to customize it without risking overwrites), but then didn't update it after upgrading from 0.8 or earlier
05:01:08 <kilobyte> this could be handled more gracefully by Crawl
05:01:12 <kilobyte> or at least documented
05:01:36 <kilobyte> for now, you can delete the line that includes lua/pickup.lua from your config
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05:06:17 <Zaba> instead of removing lua scripts, can turn them into scripts that say "You may now safely remove the lua_file = <scriptname> line from your config file" --more--
05:06:29 <Zaba> or something like that
05:06:48 <Zaba> and actually remove the script on the next release... probably overengineered, though
05:07:19 <kilobyte> Zaba: good idea
05:08:02 <kilobyte> I think we shouldn't include any lua scripts from the config file by default, though...
05:08:17 <Zaba> why not?
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05:08:46 <kilobyte> things like trapwalk look like something that should be built-in.  Whether that's done in Lua or C++ behind the curtain doesn't matter.
05:09:39 <kilobyte> or runrest...  until this moment, I didn't even know runrest_ignore is not done by Crawl proper but by this script
05:11:12 <pattern> btw, speaking of lua scripts..  is there any possible use for them from a user's perspective?  (such as for automating something, or.. i don't know what..)  or are they purely for the game's internal use only?
05:11:46 <Zaba> pattern, you can bind lua functions to keys
05:11:56 <kilobyte> or write complete bots
05:12:20 <kilobyte> too bad, Lua bindings are woefully undocumented
05:12:50 <pattern> so a lua script has all of your character's potential actions at its disposal?
05:14:37 <monqy> sort of; kind of; not really
05:14:56 <kilobyte> yeah.  Going through some of the dialogs is tricky, but doable.
05:15:12 <pattern> has anyone written any useful lua scripts for users to use?
05:15:21 <monqy> yes
05:15:22 <kilobyte> (for the values of "tricky" being "major hackery that's fragile")
05:15:29 <kilobyte> look at autofight.lua for example
05:15:39 <pattern> thanks
05:15:42 <monqy> pattern: there are some prepackaged ones; autofight probably being the most notable
05:16:00 <kilobyte> all the files there started as scripts done by some player on their own
05:16:00 <pattern> actually, i was thinking of how the auto-explore could be improved
05:16:09 <pattern> to explore more in the way i would prefer
05:16:16 <pattern> i guess a lua script might work for that
05:16:29 <monqy> I don't think the bindings are complete enough for that
05:17:09 <pattern> oh well..
05:17:12 <Zaba> good luck reimplementing pathfinding in lua ;p
05:17:19 <Napkin> Wensley: no, the separator has always been "#" - and if you open those stati pages in a browser, it will not show newlines. do a wget to see them
05:17:20 <Henzell> Napkin: You have 13 messages. Use !messages to read them.
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05:22:24 <Letchik> Tiles are working!
05:25:54 <pattern> thanks for your help, everyone
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05:42:09 <cbus> any dev online?
05:42:12 <cbus> I just found a bug I think
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05:57:15 <kilobyte> cbus: it's best to put them on Mantis
06:00:28 <cbus> kilobyte, sorry, it wasn't a bug :)
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06:15:12 <Napkin> rax, i'm looking around on CAO
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06:17:12 <Ashenzari> changes to the stock config file don't apply to user files (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4419) by KiloByte
06:17:13 <kilobyte> !lm Kjoery type=crash -log
06:17:13 <Sequell> 1. Kjoery, XL9 DrTm, T:3516 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Kjoery/crash-Kjoery-20110820-111606.txt
06:17:13 <Napkin> 99% cpu, kilobyte
06:18:32 <kilobyte> infinite loop in skill training, yeah
06:19:23 <Napkin> pushed CAO's load up to 4.5
06:19:54 <Napkin> so, what needs to be done on CAO?
06:26:02 <kilobyte> CAO has 0.9.0, but 0.9.0-15-g1b13fe2 has no fix for this bug yet, merely some asserts.  Still, a crash with a stack dump is worlds better than an infinite loop.
06:26:02 <kilobyte> rax installed 0.9 by hand so I guess the update scripts won't work :(
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06:28:08 <Napkin> ---
06:28:09 <Napkin> For anyone that wants a Mac universal native build, I’ve got one up.
06:28:09 <Napkin> Hey Crawl devs – feel free to rehost these binaries.
06:28:10 <Napkin> http://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/joixr/dcss_universal_native_mac_build_of_dcss_09/
06:28:13 <Napkin> ---
06:28:17 <Napkin> do we want to allow that comment?
06:28:28 <Napkin> can anyone check it for virusses?
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06:54:04 <Napkin> Wensley: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/cgi-bin/dgl-status
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06:59:42 <Napkin> !tell Wensley http://crawl.akrasiac.org/cgi-bin/dgl-status :)
06:59:42 <Henzell> Napkin: OK, I'll let Wensley know.
07:00:48 <Napkin> anyone with macosx around?
07:11:04 <Letchik> Is it intended to not be able to see invisible allied unit?
07:11:45 <kilobyte> yes, that's why allies never go invisible on their own
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07:13:12 <Letchik> but how do i swap places with something i dont see?
07:19:58 <kilobyte> Letchik: just checked, you do swap without attacking
07:21:12 <kilobyte> the only way to get that I know is zapping an ally with a wand of invis
07:21:21 <kilobyte> perhaps polymorphing into an invisible form as well
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07:56:15 <dpeg> players are very anxious about webtiles ... are they down?
08:01:29 <edlothiol> dpeg: it was down during the night, but it's up again now
08:06:05 <dpeg> cool
08:06:12 <dpeg> how many players do you have?
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08:09:18 <edlothiol> about 35, I think
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08:46:54 <rax> We need an 0.9 update?
08:55:13 <Gretell> Foonesh (L2 NaWz)  (D:1)
08:57:46 <Gretell> Foonesh (L3 NaWz)  (D:1)
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10:03:34 <Henzell> floorislava the Ruffian (L3 TrBe)  (D:2)
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10:05:36 <Wensley> Napkin: I was pretty tired last night, I may have been delusional :P but, both mine and edlothiol's player status pages were showing blank "where" information for 90% of games, for both dgl and webtiles. I checked a few, and they were definitely being played. so I jumped to the conclusion that the textfiles must have been wrong. seems to be working fine now though.
10:05:36 <Henzell> Wensley: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
10:05:42 <Wensley> !messages
10:05:44 <Henzell> (1/1) Napkin said (3h 6m 2s ago): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/cgi-bin/dgl-status :)
10:06:17 <Napkin> moin Wensley
10:06:30 <Wensley> moin!
10:07:11 <Napkin> it was the dglwhere daemon shutting down, because it forgot to add some config to the dgl-daemon itself ;)
10:07:48 <Wensley> ha, weird that it worked at all, then
10:07:57 <Wensley> oh wait, I see
10:08:02 <Wensley> that's a separate daemon entirely
10:08:06 <Napkin> yeah
10:08:27 <Napkin> anyways, i found it this morning
10:08:43 <Napkin> now we just need to figure out, why webtiles daemon ended itself during the night
10:09:15 <Wensley> I was watching a game when everything exploded, just got the generic "websocket closed" message at first and then couldn't reconnect
10:09:30 <Wensley> and then the complaints started rolling in :P
10:10:10 <Napkin> i have no idea why it happened, but the server.py of webtiles just quit itself
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10:11:13 <Wensley> better run the webtiles test suite
10:11:28 <Napkin> lol
10:11:34 <Napkin> it's running right now ;)
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10:11:49 <Wensley> excellent :P
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10:21:22 <Wensley> edlothiol: so does webtiles use html5 storage to cache tiles locally, or are they transmitted every time?
10:22:28 <edlothiol> Wensley: by tiles, do you mean the tile data or the images? (it doesn't use html5 storage at all)
10:24:53 <Wensley> tiles images, I meant
10:25:28 <Wensley> not that I'm really sure how the architecture of webtiles works... is it just the local client running on the server, piping the data to a browser?
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10:31:24 <edlothiol> Wensley: tile images can be cached by the browser (they're one normal img element for each of the tilesheets)
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10:32:25 <Wensley> right, but I wasn't sure if you were championing html5 technologies in general :P
10:32:40 <edlothiol> it's basically a crawl process, piping javascript commands to the python server software, which sends them over the websocket to the browser
10:33:04 <Wensley> it's pretty awesome, however it works :)
10:33:36 <edlothiol> I like to use them when they are useful, but there's currently nothing that would benefit from html5 storage ;)
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11:08:37 <Napkin> http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/player-status now shows CAO & CDO! Thanks Wensley :)
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12:26:00 <edlothiol> Napkin: Sequell's log links seem to be broken for CDO 0.9
12:26:08 <edlothiol> !lg Napkin -log
12:26:08 <Sequell> 1001. Napkin, XL1 HuFi, T:0: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Napkin/morgue-Napkin-20110819-174549.txt
12:26:22 <edlothiol> should be 0.9 instead of trunk in the link
12:30:16 <Napkin> yeah, that will need some logic, of course
12:30:27 <Napkin> no doubt
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13:19:12 <jpeg> !tell Napkin I'd like to take a look at Webtiles, but it's been years and of course I've lost my password -- help?
13:19:13 <Henzell> jpeg: OK, I'll let Napkin know.
13:20:25 <Napkin> hey jpeg :)
13:20:25 <Henzell> Napkin: You have 14 messages. Use !messages to read them.
13:22:17 <Napkin> do you see my private message, jpeg?
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14:16:26 <Napkin> hey Wensley?
14:16:34 <Wensley> yes Napkin?
14:16:59 <Napkin> could you add the bottom line "131 games in progress" plus maybe the bar also at the top?
14:17:17 <Napkin> now that there are so many games
14:18:24 <Wensley> Napkin: sure thing
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15:10:28 <Zannick> there's an error with cdo morgues in sequell
15:10:31 <Zannick> !log azru d:7
15:10:32 <Sequell> 4. Azru, XL9 SpEn, T:7238: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Azru/morgue-Azru-20110820-194110.txt
15:10:42 <Zannick> that is actually in morgues/0.9, for example
15:11:07 <Napkin> true, Zannick
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15:58:08 <Wensley> Napkin: new stable version of webstatus on github, with the status row duplicated on top. this also gets rid of all my global variables, so now all I have to do is self-contain the css
15:58:25 <Napkin> cool
15:58:26 <Napkin> :)
15:58:31 <Napkin> should i update cdo already?
15:59:36 <Wensley> Napkin: whenever you like, I'll still be working on it for a bit :)
16:00:51 <Napkin> roger :)
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16:43:16 <Napkin> Wensley? i think it's not working
16:44:16 <Wensley> Napkin: what's wrong?
16:44:30 <Napkin> it stays at "Loading games..."
16:45:33 <Napkin> 4c6e35a7821f88ec065d47194b0cd495d7236f87 is the last version that works
16:45:53 <Wensley> Napkin: appears to work on my end: http://seleniac.org/crawl/webstatus/
16:46:22 <Napkin> what is running there?
16:46:23 <Wensley> this is the most recent commit
16:46:25 <Napkin> the latest?
16:46:31 <Wensley> git pull confirms that it is the lastest
16:46:40 <Wensley> s/lastest/latest
16:46:45 <Napkin> a8888d0333152e6c947becf28b769bba06efdbe4
16:47:05 <Napkin> http://crawl.develz.org/status/index.html <- does that work for you?
16:47:13 <Wensley> yes
16:47:27 <Napkin> it doesn't for me (firefox 5.0)
16:47:44 <Wensley> hm, I'm using firefox 8
16:47:53 <Wensley> let me try in chrome
16:48:08 <Napkin> not working for me in chromium 12.0.742.112 either
16:48:51 <Napkin> not working for me in opera 11.50 either
16:49:07 <Wensley> weird
16:49:15 <Wensley> working for me in chrome
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16:50:14 <Wensley> weird... cdo's version does not work in chrome, but seleniac's version does work in chrome
16:52:03 <Wensley> ...weird, cdo's version doesn't even get to Loading Games... if I use crawl.develz.org/status, but it does work if I use crawl.devels.org/status.index.html
16:52:27 <Wensley> rather, crawl.develz.org/status/index.html
16:52:35 <Napkin> i just switched back to 4c6e35a
16:52:40 <Wensley> okay
16:52:47 <Napkin> want me to go to latest again?
16:52:49 <Wensley> I think I might know what's wrong
16:52:59 <Wensley> I'm using an ultra-strict compatibility mode
16:53:03 <Wensley> some browsers might not support it
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16:53:57 <Napkin> oh, wensley
16:54:07 <Napkin> did you hardcode the php url??
16:54:24 <Napkin> chrome javascript console tells me: XMLHttpRequest cannot load http://seleniac.org/crawl/webstatus/webstatus-ajax.php. Origin http://crawl.develz.org is not allowed by Access-Control-Allow-Origin.
16:54:35 <Napkin> when i use http://crawl.develz.org/status/index.html
16:55:04 <Wensley> aha
16:55:06 <Napkin> you did
16:55:11 <Napkin> in webstatus-ajax.js
16:56:53 <Napkin> root@crash:/var/www/crawl.develz.org/htdocs/status> grep webstatus-ajax.php webstatus-ajax.js
16:56:55 <Wensley> yep
16:56:57 <Napkin> xmlHttp.open("GET", "webstatus-ajax.php", true);
16:56:57 <Wensley> pull the most recent
16:56:59 <Napkin> that works
16:57:25 <Napkin> works :)
16:57:49 <Wensley> phew
16:58:00 <Wensley> *really* didn't want to undo those global variable changes :)
16:58:16 <Wensley> especially since it was the guys in ##crawl-offtopic who actually knew what they were doing in that regard :P
16:58:44 <Napkin> hehe
16:59:03 <Wensley> okay, the most recent version also has my css changes
16:59:17 <Wensley> however, due to the nature of css, it's not trivial to embed a div with its own unique stylesheet
16:59:20 <Wensley> as far as I can tell
16:59:56 <Napkin> it should be
17:00:17 <Wensley> well, the problem is that your stylesheet might overwrite any properties that I don't explicitly define
17:00:34 <Wensley> so what we might want to do is just shove it in and see what breaks
17:00:51 <Eronarn> Wensley: set the id on that div, make the stylesheet rules all be based on that id
17:00:58 <Wensley> Eronarn: I did that
17:01:05 <Wensley> but still, things cascade
17:01:09 <Wensley> as far as I know
17:01:22 <Eronarn> yes, but something would have to be pretty specific to override it
17:01:25 <Wensley> okay
17:01:27 <Eronarn> alternately, you can toss in an !important
17:01:48 <Wensley> I kinda just throw in !importants at random
17:01:59 <Eronarn> don't do that :P
17:02:01 <Wensley> not really a pro at css :P
17:02:17 <Napkin> i like to see the total amount of games - great!
17:02:27 <Wensley> "fuck why isn't this working. *make it important* works, moving on"
17:02:35 <Eronarn> the quick version of how !important works: user's !important declarations > site's !important declarations > user's stylesheets > site's stylesheets
17:03:15 <Wensley> okay
17:04:26 <Wensley> the only lingering problem is that I'm using javascript's link() string attribute to turn strings into links, but I don't know how to define a target that way. right now I'm defining the base target in the html head, but I don't want to impose that on cdo's page
17:06:12 <Wensley> brb, dinner
17:06:23 <Napkin> mahlzeit!
17:07:44 <Eronarn> Wensley: easy if you're using jquery, i don't remember if there's a thing to do it in just js
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18:06:01 <Wensley> Napkin: okay... I think everything should work now
18:06:17 <Wensley> should be pretty easy to embed the table into the page itself
18:07:36 <Wensley> you just need to go into index.html, copy the "webstatus" div, and paste it into whatever page you want
18:08:02 <Wensley> and then copy over the stylesheet and script tags from the header
18:09:05 <Wensley> if you want, you can then modify the stylesheet and script tags to point to http://crawl.develz.org/status/webstatus.css and http://crawl.develz.org/status/webstatus-ajax.js so that you can keep using git to update them
18:09:41 <Wensley> don't know if there's an easy to way to keep the php file updated, though
18:11:46 <Wensley> the best way is probably to just manually copy the php file into the directory where the player-status page resides
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