00:09:15 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.10-a0-195-ga920247 (32) 00:48:13 -!- valrus_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:44 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31:10 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:17 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:24:11 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:27 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:01:52 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:11 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:10:03 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 03:11:08 @whereis pingpong 03:11:08 pingpong the Eclecticist (L23 DrVM), a worshipper of Vehumet, saved on D:22 on 2011-08-09 after 90528 turns. 03:30:53 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54:13 Question about the brainstorm wiki, how can I make a new category called "Game Mechanics"? Would adding that be acceptable? 04:36:41 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:45:46 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:54 hi 04:49:04 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 04:49:08 "replace the incomplete fix with one I couldn't push from a bus in Belgrade 04:49:11 " <3 04:53:08 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:55:33 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:08:58 dpeg_: sorry for being inactive, but after MarvinPA just threw away all the tornado balancing we did, I had the options of either reverting that pile of shit and discussing with very few non-profane words, or taking a break 05:11:18 -!- Syraine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:11:29 kilobyte: wasn't aware of the mess :O 05:11:52 kilobyte, welcome back! 05:11:52 Yeah, that really got out of hand... 05:11:52 Is it sorted out now or still messy? 05:11:52 the only argument he provided boils down to just "I'm a top player and can win using this, I like conduct ascensions" 05:11:52 kilobyte: wb 05:11:53 kilobyte: I am only nominally present (pneumonia) 05:11:53 no, current Tornado has total damage of around a single cast of Shatter against all flying monsters in the open (ie, worst case for Shatter best for Tornado), same difficulty of casting, yet it takes 10 rounds to take effect 05:11:53 and Shatter is a pathethic spell compared to *storms 05:11:53 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:12:30 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 05:12:30 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: DCSS Development | Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 05:12:55 kilobyte: okay, we will put "top spell harmonisation" as the first topic post release, okay? 05:13:03 sure 05:13:49 I noted how the discussions were always a bit shaky b/c sometimes folks would concentrate on a single spell, and othertimes they'd compare with the storms. I know that your commits before absence included a comparison :) 05:15:37 yeah, Tornado 700 total damage per cast vs ~3200 for Firestorm if you cast and wait for both 05:16:22 or 700 vs 10000 if you cast every turn 05:16:33 this is what MarvinPA calls "balanced" 05:17:18 I guess there was turmoil in this channel? 05:19:14 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 05:19:47 Marvin is a good player, of course. Such excesses only happen when there's no one around to soothe and mediate. Will do after release, promised! 05:20:46 I was here to see some of the discussion, but I can't really give any input either way... I've never gotten a char to storm/tornado-level... 05:21:37 still, I'm back not because I calmed down (I didn't), but because we need to release 0.9 05:22:07 it's not really in a releasable state but it needs to be done today, come hell or high water 05:22:30 or at the absolute latest tomorrow but only if we can get rax to install a rc today 05:23:14 (greensnark would say the Tournament must use 0.8 instead...) 05:23:21 kilobyte: is there anything about non-releasable apart from the spell? 05:23:25 *it 05:23:32 5973958723935873579 crasher bugs? 05:23:55 how many? :) 05:23:58 or such details like that report about Sif reportedly granting ten books per level? 05:24:41 the tilemcount one for example, it was reported several times and few people report crashes 05:24:44 yes, I was worried about that, too 05:25:19 hm, we could postpone release and tournament until more coders are around 05:28:49 !seen elliptic 05:28:50 I last saw elliptic at Tue Aug 9 08:04:13 2011 UTC (2h 24m 36s ago) saying oh, probably a xom card on ##crawl. 05:29:03 it's probably way too late to change the tournament 05:29:12 why? 05:29:23 uhm, it's going to start this weekend 05:29:33 could've occurred a bit earlier to us, true 05:29:44 but if the situation is that bad..., we have to react somehow 05:29:55 nobody wants to play a 0.8 tournament 05:30:03 !seen greensnark 05:30:03 I last saw greensnark at Sun Aug 7 21:45:14 2011 UTC (1d 12h 44m 49s ago) saying !tell bmh New Abyss rocks on ##crawl-dev. 05:30:51 0.9.1 in the first days of the tournament is an option if at least Sif can be fixed (if she's indeed buggy) 05:32:17 someone made a wizmode test and got no book shower 05:34:00 yeah, but there's a distinct possibility the reporter of that bug might have been not on crack -- the bug might be subtle and show up only in some circumstances 05:36:50 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: :(){ :|:& };:] 05:38:23 not sure what with ZotDef. I _think_ the remaining crash there is sometimes caused by monsters thinking you're standing on a plant (they're not supposed to know it accurately), so that might be fixable. 05:38:23 the other big problem, teleport traps, is disabled completely 05:38:35 please explain, don't have context 05:39:34 * bhaak offers to extend the nethack tournament so crawl developers have more time to fix their code 05:39:41 if monsters fail to pathfind, they stand and glare towards their target while allowing you to kill them without fighting back 05:40:02 I added an assert so it will crash instead 05:40:16 kilobyte: and teleporting makes them inable to pathfind? 05:40:51 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 05:41:03 no, knowing about the teleport trap if there's no way around 05:41:27 I mean, it's an impassable obstacle 05:42:46 ah 05:42:57 could be kludged around by making them never know it's there (I made them have finite ammo in ZotDef so they'd eventually run out of charges) 05:43:15 still, the ability is disabled so that's not a concern 05:43:53 the pathfinding+plants bug shouldn't be very hard to fix too 05:44:05 was the regression introduced with some changes to tele traps or is it old? 05:44:46 I'm not sure about releasing ZotDef for balance reasons though -- with a good enough configuration of turrets monsters might be unable to do anything on some maps 05:44:49 old 05:45:28 as old as ZotDef itself 05:50:11 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:53 oh yay... changelog changes were done randomly either in trunk or 0.9 05:58:38 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:59:18 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 05:59:18 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: DCSS Development | Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 06:07:57 -!- Euph0riaX has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:10:11 -!- Euph0ria_MuWiz has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:10 -!- MarvinPA has left ##crawl-dev 06:13:00 now he will be missing for weeks :| 06:13:12 * dpeg_ has to collect the lost sheep 06:14:32 dpeg_, whaat? :) 06:15:33 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:25:00 -!- Euph0ria_MuWiz is now known as Euph0riaX 06:26:05 03kilobyte * r01fd395b4fc9 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Nicer indentation of the changelog. 06:26:15 03kilobyte * r09eeebf26b55 10/crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt: Mention ZotDef. 06:28:05 03dolorous * rc03f5b10d921 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Make _print_god_final_ability_desc() use get_number_of_cols(). 07:32:00 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:43:58 Silneus (L8 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileview.cc' at line 916: non-door tile (Ossuary) 07:45:41 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:59:49 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:59:52 -!- Cryp71c has left ##crawl-dev 08:02:32 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:38 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:26 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:22:36 Marikvulpina (L4 MiBe) (D:3) 09:29:16 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:29 hi 09:29:37 just back from holidays 09:30:02 galehar: Oy, wb 09:30:46 is something wrong with gitorious? It's refusing my public key. 09:36:28 that happens sometimes, it usually fixes itself 09:37:23 -!- blueDave has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:45 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:25 galehar: hi! 09:55:33 hi dpeg 09:56:19 seen your mail. Is it that bad? Several of the crash bugs linked on the wiki have been fixed by kb. 09:56:37 might've been a bit panicky... 09:56:53 ...but with the hours clocking away, I thought it'd produce more support :) 09:57:23 tournament start friday at midnight, right? 09:57:41 ??tournament 09:57:41 tournament[1/3]: The Aug 2011 tourney will be 00:00 Sat 13 Aug - 00:00 Mon 29 Aug. See http://seleniac.org/crawl/t11/ for an initial draft of the rules. (If that link is broken, try this: http://216.172.176.232/crawl/t11 and remember to never register a domain name with 1&1) 09:57:59 so we're already several days late for release 09:58:07 yes 09:58:22 !seen kilobyte 09:58:22 I last saw kilobyte at Tue Aug 9 10:52:46 2011 UTC (4h 5m 36s ago) saying oh yay... changelog changes were done randomly either in trunk or 0.9 on ##crawl-dev. 09:59:14 will try to have a look at the crash bugs. Have some catching up to do 10:00:36 I took a netbook during my holidays and started hacking away at feature mimics. Will push it to a branch after 0.10 release. 10:00:47 <3 10:01:01 galehar: 0.9 release? 10:01:10 huh, yeah 10:01:11 :) 10:01:23 No worries, I get confused aswell >.< 10:02:13 is there a reason every single level from D:21 to D:27 has a guaranteed hell entrance? 10:03:41 only tradition, afaik 10:04:32 easy stash access maybe 10:06:51 aww 10:06:59 1&1 isn't that bad of a registrat 10:07:00 or flavour: last fourth of the dungeon is hellish 10:07:03 registrar* 10:08:10 hey, don't the entrances spawn hellish monsters now that the vestibule has a different monster set? 10:08:33 they should! 10:08:34 -!- Euph0riaX has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:09:21 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:03 a number of the entrances are already surrounded by hellish monsters 10:10:17 it was kind of funny when the entrance to hell was guarded by demons, but it used to be full of yaktaurs 10:10:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:20 spawning rates from gates should increase with depth. This could make a fun deep dungeon and an interesting way to differentiate it from V 10:13:07 crawl could probably use fewer demons, if anything. the entire extended endgame is demons and undead, with the exception of the slime pits 10:14:23 evilmike: true, but the vestibule has a more interesting set, I think 10:14:31 true. Let's keep the idea in a corner for after we have better differentiation for hell/abyss/pan. 10:14:35 yeah the vestibule is a lot better now 10:14:56 and should we get Vestibuly monsters out of hell entries? 10:15:09 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:00 -!- Robot2600 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:17:19 dpeg_: vestibular! 10:17:21 it's a word 10:18:36 a start could just be a number of small vaults tagged with hell_entry, that have a couple of vestibule enemies 10:18:52 i looked and there are none of these currently, the "hellmouth" vaults aren't actually tagged with that 10:18:56 dpeg_: I think they already do but it's too rare to be noticeable. That's why I suggested increasing the rate with depth. 10:19:47 galehar: yes, a great idea! 10:21:24 evilmike, there is no hell_entry tag 10:22:04 oh, interesting. figured there would be one 10:22:44 evilmike, why is a good question 10:23:20 evilmike, or hmm.. it actually could exist, but it's simply not used at the moment 10:24:13 evilmike, it used to be hardcoded, then I replaced it with a hell_entry vault, but now that I think of it, I don't see why the normal branch entrance placement mechanism couldn't be used 10:26:19 the hell_entry vault isn't tagged with hell_entry, it just uses chance:100% and puts it on every level from d:21 10:26:32 evilmike, yeah, which corresponds to the formerly hardcoded behaviour 10:27:01 evilmike, I'll investigate this 10:27:23 abyss and pan entry vaults don't have any special entry tag either 10:27:30 galehar, but they aren't normal branches, either 10:27:32 galehar, Hell is 10:28:30 ok 10:36:25 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:20 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:23 -!- Cryp71c has left ##crawl-dev 10:45:40 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:49:46 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:31 !tell rax Let me know when would be a good time to try to set up the tourney scripts on CAO; it shouldn't be hard but there isn't much time remaining before the tourney. 10:59:31 elliptic: OK, I'll let rax know. 11:02:53 -!- Guest56600 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:18 -!- Guest56600 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:38 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:39 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:10:19 elliptic: ->PM 11:10:19 rax: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:10:26 yes henzell thank you 11:10:28 *pat pat* 11:16:10 Fifth tutorial crashes with '^' after joining religion (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4374) by JasonMel 11:27:32 -!- Euph0riaX has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:00 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:36:28 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:46 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:51 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:08 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:27 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:50:38 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:09 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:11:15 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:19 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:28 hey dev 13:20:45 03galehar * r81de152930aa 10/crawl-ref/source/abyss.cc: Fix abyss vault morphing. 13:20:46 hey bmh 13:20:48 03galehar * r6857d324d32b 10/crawl-ref/source/shopping.cc: Mark unknown items in shops. 13:20:48 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.9 * r63f0124b4cb4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (player.cc player.h spl-book.cc): Don't memorise from book on the floor while levitating. 13:20:48 03galehar * r3573bb3f887f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (monster.cc tileview.cc tileview.h): Fix feature mimics leaving trails in tile. 13:20:59 03galehar * rdb0537ff3d35 10/crawl-ref/source/ (player.cc player.h spl-book.cc): Don't memorise from book on the floor while levitating. 14:03:00 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:09:39 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:35 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 15:00:14 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:38 what's Crawl coded in, anyway? 15:03:14 C++ 15:03:48 and a bit of lua 15:04:18 * ussdefiant knows a fair bit of C and Java, but not C++ 15:06:53 don't worry, you have to learn C++ separately for each individual project written in C++ 15:34:06 hrm, a tricky crash: l_item_do_subtype() l_item.cc:295 implicitly frees a string while called from lua originating from userdef_annotate_item() stash.cc:71 15:34:59 I kind of fail to understand how it could possibly delete it there 15:35:23 galehar: you did very recently edit that line, perhaps you might have more clue than me 15:35:57 which string is freed? 15:36:09 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:36:11 (I can't seem to reproduce this crash, but valgrind shows invalid reads consistently) 15:36:17 also, I think due messed with this part too while I was away 15:36:51 is the crash reported on mantis? 15:37:24 no, it happened once when I was running stress tests 15:37:30 with a random seed, sadly 15:38:06 woken_read test so it's likely to happen in real games 15:38:12 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:15 err, woken_rest 15:38:39 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:52 agentsparrow (L5 MDFi) ERROR in 'tileview.cc' at line 916: non-door tile (Ossuary) 15:43:15 does valgrind say which string is freed? 15:43:41 -!- edlothiol has left ##crawl-dev 15:48:20 not really: http://sprunge.us/BFJj 15:52:59 actually, it looks like going through std::string is useless there, the function that produces it is used just once 15:58:54 right, might be better to just not use string 15:59:09 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:25 I'm not very comfortable with C style char* strings, so I often used C++ strings even when it's not really necessary. 15:59:37 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:21 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:21 any other critical crash bug I can help with? I might have some time this week to help with 0.9 release. 16:03:38 well, I'm afraid we need to release at least a rc today and install it on CAO/CDO or forget about 0.9 in the tournament at all 16:05:31 ok 16:07:16 hrm, is Gitorious working for you? 16:09:04 I had to regenerate my ssh key 16:09:37 I had permission denied (publickey) 16:10:57 I tried three different keys from three different locations, none works 16:11:33 -!- timecircuits has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:05 seems to be working for me now 16:12:19 have to go, be back later 16:12:26 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:06 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:27:53 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:29 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:46 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:35:28 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:38 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:27 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:47 -!- valrus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:09:03 Taynav (L7 HEWz) ERROR in 'tileview.cc' at line 916: non-door tile (Ossuary) 17:09:45 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:00 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:13:10 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 17:21:42 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:13 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:11 -!- dpeg_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:51:12 dpeg: hello! :) 18:08:07 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:09:32 -!- the_glow has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:13 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:39 03galehar * r8d44ffb7e34f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (main.cc travel.cc travel.h): Clear level target on game restart (#4357). 18:12:50 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.9 * r13703e44219d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (main.cc travel.cc travel.h): Clear level target on game restart (#4357). 18:28:25 "poisoning" hint-mode text should be expanded for the Berserker (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4375) by SamB 18:28:54 -!- ais523 has quit [] 18:33:46 -!- galehar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:30 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:55:16 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:55:24 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:08 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:57:26 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:36 -!- Wah has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:11 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0.1/20110707182747]] 19:19:06 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:46 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:05 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:06 -!- Cryp71c has left ##crawl-dev 19:28:26 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:26 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:31:49 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:13:32 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:33 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:53:48 I figured out the CAO password issue, it was largely pilot error with a side of sqlite being unhelpful. 20:53:59 And now I know more about sqlite! So that's something. 20:55:13 Hooray, for SQLITE knowledge! 21:03:11 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:47:01 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:42 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:09:16 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:13:07 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:42 !time 22:25:43 Time: Aug 10, 2011, 03:25:43 AM, UTC. The 2011 tournament starts in 2 days, 20 hours, 34 minutes and 16 seconds. 22:28:47 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:03 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 22:35:57 -!- Twilight has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:23 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest12040 22:38:35 -!- Guest56600 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:02:53 -!- Guest12040 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:14 -!- Guest12040 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:35 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev