00:04:24 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.10-a0-118-geeb4239 (32)
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00:58:17 <Ashenzari> Staff of Air does not give rElec vs. one's own spells (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4349) by Mattlistener
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03:40:54 <due> ??staff of air
03:40:54 <Henzell> staff damage[1/1]: Enhancer staves (fire, cold, air, earth, death) have (Evoc + 1)/15 chance of doing 1d(1.25 * (Evoc + skill)) extra damage that ignores AC (except earth), but checks the appropriate resistance. Air also needs to pass a (damage dealt + air + 1)/20 chance, and death a (necro + 1)/8 chance. The {staff of poison} is handled differently.
03:43:17 <Wolfe_> Doesn't do what it's not supposed to do, eh?
03:47:53 <due> Hm?
03:48:13 <due> No, I'm just wondering if the boni from it overwhelm the resistance gained by weilding it during self-harm.
03:48:37 <due> If the interface say rElec, then it's setting the rElec flag, so it couldn't only give resistance some of the time or to some spells.
03:49:36 <Wolfe_> Ah... I didn't recall the staves giving resistances. But, I rarely use them, so I've never cared.
03:49:37 <due> On the flip side, I forget if |oA gives a bonus.
03:50:31 <Wolfe_> CrawlWiki lists it as so
03:50:34 <Wolfe_> Just checked
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04:25:55 <due> I enjoy reading crawlwiki on uniques.
04:25:59 <due> It inspires me to make Dowan and Duvessa harder.
04:28:05 <Wolfe_> Heheh... Yeah, they aren't quite up to snuff compared to old Sigmund
04:31:30 <due> Well, I managed to make Grinder the most deadly early unique. :D
04:31:46 <Syraine> hmm
04:32:04 <Syraine> i feel all uniques should be difficult in different ways
04:32:19 <Wolfe_> @#$^%#$&#%$... Grinder
04:32:39 <due> o:)
04:32:44 <Wolfe_> Hate that thing... Very much so
04:33:01 <due> It amuses me so much that I managed to turn ##crawl's most annoying troll into DCSS's most annoying unique!
04:33:17 <ion> :-D
04:33:27 <ion> I didn’t know the history of Grinder.
04:34:50 <due> impgrinder :)
04:39:34 <Zaba> heh
04:39:40 <Zaba> didn't know of that, either
04:39:46 <Zaba> 'impgrinder' doesn't ring any bells
04:39:55 <due> mainly ##crawl
04:40:15 <Zaba> guess I disregarded it as the usual noise
04:40:17 <Syraine> question:
04:40:24 <Syraine> can you create recursive macros :/
04:40:27 <Zaba> no
04:40:29 <Syraine> -.-
04:40:31 <Syraine> damn
04:40:46 <Zaba> but if you need to do that, you're doing something wrong
04:41:16 <Zaba> what is the problem you're trying to solve, anyway?
04:41:24 <Syraine> i want to cycle a set of commands
04:41:36 <Syraine> essentially infinitely
04:41:48 <Zaba> oh wait
04:42:01 <due> Zaba: surely lua allows for recursion
04:42:03 <Zaba> _crawl_ macros.  No idea.
04:42:07 <Zaba> I was thinking cpp :P
04:42:11 <Syraine> la @_@
04:42:20 <Syraine> it throws errors, actually
04:42:27 <due> macros are just anonyous lua functions, no?
04:42:40 <Syraine> i tried making a macro which every few loops ran through a set of commands that should deal with exceptions
04:42:40 <Zaba> due, lua does, but not infinite
04:42:44 <monqy> anonymous? they seem pretty named to me
04:42:53 <Zaba> monqy, anonymous from lua perspective
04:42:55 <Zaba> and, again, no idea :P
04:43:10 <monqy> anonymous from a lua perspective? they're named there too
04:43:16 <monqy> anyway, yeah they're just lua functions
04:43:31 <Syraine> but it said, fittingly, Crawl has detected that this lua function will infinitely loop.
04:43:37 <Syraine> or something along those lines
04:43:43 <monqy> Syraine: hm? what do you want to do, specifically?
04:43:44 <Syraine> No, I think it was that. =F
04:44:19 <monqy> hm?
04:44:49 <Syraine> I want to o-tab, with additional keymaps for interface exceptions that might come up
04:44:57 <Syraine> for instance, levelling in-game
04:45:13 <Syraine> without pressing more than one key
04:45:37 <monqy> and in what way do you want to accomplish this, as there are a few
04:45:46 <Syraine> the least aggravating
04:46:51 <Syraine> autoexplore is frighteningly inefficient
04:47:05 <monqy> a simple way might be to act as autofight when possible, autoexplore when autofight fails, and otherwise fail
04:47:35 <Syraine> but that would cause death within about three levels
04:47:57 <Syraine> i don't want to make a bot, but i do want to remove the tedium of playing difficult races.
04:48:22 <Syraine> popcorn ppper
04:48:27 <Syraine> popper. *
04:48:29 <monqy> unfortunately, I do not know of a way to determine if a command succeeded, and the logic in autofight.lua is all local, so you'd have to rewrite autofight
04:48:29 <Syraine> haha -
04:48:48 <Syraine> i was seriously considering a rewrite of autoexplore to favor the edges of a room
04:49:11 <Syraine> because frankly, coming back to explore exactly one corridor is very frustrating at times
04:49:34 <Zaba> ouch
04:49:41 <Syraine> sorry @_@
04:50:10 <monqy> Syraine: on not wanting to make a bot, what do you mean?  it would act literally as hitting tab or o exactly once per keypress, depending on whether monsters are reachable
04:50:22 <Syraine> no, it wasn't in reference to what you said
04:50:35 <Syraine> i meant in reference to my intention to automate normal combat
04:50:42 <Syraine> well, simple, low-difficulty combat
04:51:27 <due> slippery slope!
04:51:30 <monqy> oh
04:51:36 <Syraine> if you iterated the same sequence over and over, even with a very complex macro, you're bound to just, er, die
04:51:41 <due> what's wrong with autoexplore, though?
04:51:44 <Syraine> too many random situations are up
04:52:04 <monqy> would probably be good to note that I have very similar, if not the same, goals as you do
04:52:11 <Syraine> Really...?
04:52:17 <monqy> a few months ago I tried doing pretty much the same thing but I guess I gave up
04:52:20 <monqy> yeah
04:52:21 <Syraine> Due: press o, count turns
04:52:24 <due> yay powergamers :p
04:52:26 <Syraine> Do the same thing manually.
04:52:28 <Syraine> @_@
04:52:37 <due> Syraine: travelling salesman problem.
04:52:44 <Syraine> I know, I know...
04:52:46 <Syraine> =_=
04:53:10 <Zaba> you know what works better? Press o and -don't- count turns
04:53:17 <monqy> Syraine: some stuff with smarter autofight, some other stuff with mixing in fighting and exploration and stuff, I also tried making smart automatic fleeing and automatic kiting
04:53:21 <due> Zaba: exactly, hence my comment about powergaming
04:53:29 <Syraine> But there are patterns which can be factored into an exploration algorithm, otherwise we wouldn't have vacuum cleaner robots and other such ubiquities of the post-modern era.
04:53:30 <Syraine> =Q
04:53:53 <Syraine> Monqy: then my aims are the same, basically...
04:53:57 <Zaba> Syraine, well, come up with a patch that makes it objectively and demonstrably better and I guess everyone will be happier :P
04:54:04 <Syraine> Haha, I tried Zaba!
04:54:14 <due> um
04:54:20 <due> vacuum cleaner robots suc, in my experience.
04:54:30 <Syraine> I get it.
04:54:33 <Syraine> Vacuum cleaners suck. ;Q
04:54:44 <Zaba> Syraine, if you failed at that, then you'll fail even worse at "haha rewrite travel.cc"
04:55:15 <due> but anyway
04:55:56 <Syraine> Well, it wasn't through lack of enthusiasm or comprehension, it's simply that there was negligible improvement and a great deal of special cases, none of which I could solve elegantly.
04:56:04 <due> my personal opinion is that, when you start worrying about how auto-explore is raising your turn count, you are standing on a slippery-slope of dooom.
04:56:07 <Syraine> At least I hope it wasn't through lack of comprehension. =S
04:56:10 <Syraine> Doooom!
04:57:14 <Syraine> What do you do when you're fighting aquatic monsters in shallow water? What if your enemy is poisonous? Your weapon is branded with distortion and you fight a chaos enemy?
04:57:20 <Syraine> Whatever -
04:58:10 <Zaba> well, there's an easy solution, which is to use your brain when playing the game
04:58:13 <Zaba> works for many players out there :P
04:59:34 <Syraine> Oh, don't think I'm trying to just create problems. =3
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05:40:12 <Syraine> Question: is there a way to find only results that do not contain a string with Ctrl+F in DCSS
05:46:31 <Zaba> Syraine, "You can use !! to negate a search string, [...]"
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06:45:53 <Zaba> argh, a power cut
06:46:37 <ion> Your net connection went down along with the power? It’s annoying when that happens.
06:47:38 <ion> Sometimes it stays up, but sometimes power outages seem to affect something along the DSL causing it to drop.
06:48:04 <Zaba> ion, no
06:48:15 <Zaba> my dsl router and homeserver are on an UPS
06:48:27 <Zaba> and the ethernet switch, too
06:48:36 <Zaba> so my link remains just fine
06:49:00 <Zaba> (well, and my laptop has its own battery power source)
06:49:38 <ion> Why “argh”?
06:50:04 <Zaba> well, because I only have 40 minutes of ups battery life :>
06:50:22 <ion> ah :-)
06:50:37 <Zaba> plus pretty much all other equipment stops working
06:51:46 <Syraine> ><
06:51:48 <Syraine> -headtilt- Sorry to talk shop, but what do you think of boosting the amount of random mutation sources? Spriggans are highly attractive to better players because of their natural escape option, which no other player has. I understand they have Herbivore 3, but their satiation rate is 1/3 of that of all but two races.
06:52:10 <Syraine> Race. Barring Centaurs.
06:52:36 <Syraine> It's hard to get boosted speed outside of Okawaru for a non-spellcasting r/c
06:52:47 <Syraine> Or Trog with Berserk
06:53:01 <Syraine> and Berserk is a bad choice to use to run
06:54:01 <Syraine> alternatively making AC better than EV =l
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08:02:12 <Syraine> @??cyclops
08:02:12 <Gretell> cyclops (08C) | Speed: 7 | HD: 9 | Health: 34-66 | AC/EV: 5/3 | Damage: 35 | Res: 06magic(36), 12drown | XP: 528.
08:02:14 <Syraine> ??cyclops
08:02:15 <Henzell> cyclops[1/2]: They throw large rocks, then close to melee. Those rocks can hurt, be careful if you're a mage. Slow.
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09:15:11 <akhena> Hello everyone
09:15:41 <ghallberg> akhena: hey
09:15:48 <Syraine> Hello, akhena
09:16:04 <akhena> I'm back with my problem compiling
09:16:14 <akhena> I will try to install msysgit
09:16:17 <akhena> as suggested
09:16:23 <akhena> But I have a question though
09:16:29 <akhena> If I understood correctly
09:16:41 <akhena> cc is a wrapper which calls cl.exe
09:16:45 <akhena> Is this correct ?
09:18:08 <ghallberg> I'm sorry but I have no idea :(
09:18:35 <akhena> Ok. I'm asking because reading a bit on the net, I was under the impression that cl is the compiler for MSVC++
09:18:51 <akhena> Though my compiler is MinGW
09:19:00 <akhena> So I was a bit confused
09:19:27 <akhena> I guess I'll just go install msysgit as suggested and hope it works. ;)
09:19:34 <akhena> Also, one more thing
09:19:43 <ghallberg> Ok, I do my development and compilation in linux so I'm not familiar with the windows anvironment
09:19:49 <ghallberg> Shoot!
09:20:30 <akhena> I know my gcc.exe is not in the PATH variable (under Windows). I guess there must be a similar variable under LINUX to let the system know where to look for executables ?
09:20:54 <akhena> I'm a complete noob with Linux, sorry...
09:21:19 <ghallberg> mmyeah, there's an envornment variable called PATH
09:21:33 <ghallberg> which specifies where the system should look for stuff that can be executed
09:21:57 <akhena> I thought that might be my problem, actually.
09:22:10 <akhena> How do you add a path the this environement variable ?
09:27:24 <ghallberg> on linux?
09:28:30 <akhena> yes
09:29:08 <akhena> maybe somthing like PATH = whatever_path_I_have ; PATH
09:30:26 <akhena> ok found someting
09:30:38 <akhena> Path=$path:/c/my_path
09:30:53 <ghallberg> export PATH=$PATH:/new/path
09:31:11 <ghallberg> hmm yeah
09:31:17 <akhena> While msysgit is downloading...
09:31:28 <ghallberg> I'm a bit confused now :)
09:31:35 <akhena> I had a look at some parts of the code
09:31:37 <ghallberg> Are you doing this on linux or windows?
09:31:46 <ghallberg> Since you're talking about .exe and such
09:31:56 <akhena> I noticed it had a strong C flavor with some C++ used here and there
09:32:04 <akhena> I'm doing this on Windows
09:32:21 <akhena> But I thought I could maybe type tht in my Msys window
09:32:24 <ghallberg> ah
09:32:52 <ghallberg> if you want to add something to the windows path it's in system settings/environment variables ont he control panel iirc
09:33:15 <akhena> Yes I know, but... (you now gonna think I'm just crazy) ...
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09:33:25 <akhena> I'm using my company laptop
09:33:33 <akhena> and I don't have admin rights. :(
09:33:57 <akhena> So I always have to try to find ways around that.
09:34:11 <akhena> That's why I don't have MSVC but MinGW with CodeBlocks
09:34:37 <ghallberg> Ah, sounds complicated then :(
09:34:41 <akhena> Anything which doesn't require Admin rights...
09:34:45 <akhena> Yes it is !
09:35:04 <akhena> But I like challenges. ;)
09:35:09 <ghallberg> I'm glad I have admin on this computer (also a work laptop, since I should be working) :P
09:35:37 <akhena> lol
09:35:46 <akhena> My IT manager is a real pain in the ....
09:36:06 <akhena> And I'm not supposed to be coding... But hell, I find my ways around problems...
09:36:09 <ghallberg> Ours are pretty nice, no port-blocks or anything.
09:36:21 <ghallberg> where are you situated?
09:36:28 <akhena> I'm in Belgium.
09:36:31 <akhena> U ?
09:37:15 <ghallberg> sweden
09:37:42 <akhena> Nice. I travel a lot actually. I'm a pilot... I'm mostly between Switzerland and the US
09:38:43 <ghallberg> Oh, cool. I'm just a CS-student, at my first real CS-related internship for the summer :)
09:39:00 <akhena> Nice
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09:52:33 <akhena> Are you on the project for a long time ?
09:54:19 <ghallberg> No, I'm new aswell
09:54:30 <ghallberg> I've never even won a game while playing :)
09:54:47 <akhena> Ah ok. Already contributed with a patch or something else ?
09:55:13 <ghallberg> Think three of my patches have been commited so far :)
09:55:47 <ghallberg> Implicit butchering, drop-last, and one with some documentation stuff
09:56:20 <akhena> Nice. I noticed that the code is very C-like, and not much object oriented.
09:56:35 <akhena> It's code legacy, I presume...
09:57:13 <ghallberg> Myeah
09:57:39 <ghallberg> I'm not very comfortable with c++ is general so...
09:57:45 <ghallberg> nor C
09:57:58 <akhena> Oh, ok. :)
09:58:43 <akhena> When I'll be able to compile this properly, I'll probably try to find a very small bug and fix it. That will force me to dive in the code and get familiar with it.
09:58:55 <ghallberg> Yeah, that's a good way to start.
09:59:12 <ghallberg> Or find a feature you feel would be neat and add that.
09:59:21 <ghallberg> Which is what I did.
09:59:28 <akhena> Indeed.
10:01:59 <ghallberg> We're getting close to 0.9 release so bug fixing is greatly appreciated, when you have something you think is good upload it to the bugtracker and poke one of the older devs so they can try it.
10:03:04 <akhena> Yes, I understood indeed that 0.9 was close to being released. I'm looking forward to contributing to the project.
10:03:29 <akhena> I got to go now. It was nice meeting you, and thanks for the help
10:03:37 <akhena> I let the laptop install msysgit
10:03:45 <akhena> and I'll give that a try later on. :)
10:04:16 <ghallberg> bye :)
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14:32:37 <CIA-34> 03elliptic * rd09c4aa67881 10/crawl-ref/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Add option to make new characters start with manual skill training.
14:34:08 <CIA-34> 03rriegs * r0a498834e99f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (initfile.cc options.h travel.cc):
14:34:08 <CIA-34> Adjust autoexploration to favor the discovery of room perimeters and especially
14:34:08 <CIA-34> corners. Behavior may be adjusted in init.txt by setting explore_wall_bias = N,
14:34:08 <CIA-34> which more heavily favors perimeters for larger N and not at all for N = 0.
14:34:08 <CIA-34> 03MarvinPA * rb7675004078c 10/crawl-ref/ (docs/options_guide.txt settings/init.txt source/initfile.cc): Add explore_wall_bias to the options guide, default it to 0 for now
14:34:08 <CIA-34> 03MarvinPA * r5c0df765b8e0 10/crawl-ref/source/dgn-overview.cc: Attempt to improve colouring for good gods you've abandoned on ^O screen
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14:43:48 <retr0rocket> hey I was wondering if there is anyway i can get involved with crawl development?
14:44:03 <retr0rocket> i have expierence with C++ (junior CS student here) and would love to help
14:44:39 <Eronarn> retr0rocket: there's an implementables category on the bug tracker
14:44:53 <Eronarn> and also the bug queue, of course
14:45:30 <Eronarn> and there are many, many projects that are in various stages of completion from 'cool idea' to 'needs polish before release'
14:47:06 <retr0rocket> hmm ok i'm kind of a novice when it coems to contributing to projects like this though
14:47:12 <retr0rocket> any tips/advice?
14:47:56 <ghallberg> retr0rocket: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:planning
14:48:14 <ghallberg> That's a pretty good place to start I think. Maybe one of the crash bugs there?
14:48:54 <Eronarn> retr0rocket: you probably want to pick a project relevant to your interests to start with. so - how long have you been playing crawl? is there some thing you like about it in particular? is there something about it that really annoys you? etc.
14:48:55 <MarvinPA> right now we're getting ready to release 0.9, so any recent bugs or crashes you spot on the tracker that you think you could submit a patch to fix would be much appreciated
14:49:17 <retr0rocket> i've been playing crawl this entire summer =) couldnt get into it a couple of years ago
14:49:22 <retr0rocket> but got addict it now
14:49:29 <retr0rocket> won twice so far
14:49:37 <MarvinPA> personally i started by submitting a bunch of really minor tweaks, tiny bugs or spelling mistakes or balance adjustments that i spotted
14:50:09 <Eronarn> i got started by making a patch to add variant hats to crawl. top hats, bowlers, fedoras, etc.
14:50:30 <ghallberg> And I started by picking up a random feature that I liked, as Eronarn suggested (implicit butchering)
14:51:16 <retr0rocket> wait do we have variant hats in crawl?
14:51:27 <retr0rocket> XD all ive seen are wizard hats
14:54:06 <Eronarn> nah, it didn't get in, because it was contentious (some people felt it was too silly)
14:54:30 <Eronarn> i will probably redo it at some point in the future to make it have no in-game effects, so it can be a purely cosmetic option
15:02:00 <retr0rocket> im kind of iffy about some races equipment restrictions, it invalidates chei as a viable choice in gods =/
15:02:11 <retr0rocket> like how hard is it to get horseshoes for hooves..
15:02:20 <retr0rocket> or open faced helmets for kenku
15:03:26 <MarvinPA> the equipment restrictions make races more varied, it's chei that could do with being changed really
15:03:41 <elliptic> ash has the same problem really
15:04:56 <retr0rocket> and doesnt chei stop you from enchanting randarts with ponderous?
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15:09:04 <retr0rocket> and is there a correct way to unwield arrows?
15:09:09 <retr0rocket> i use them for sticks to snakes
15:09:20 <retr0rocket> and then i usually have to drop them to go back to unarmed
15:09:30 <retr0rocket> it seems kinda wierd they have a wield command but no unwield
15:09:39 <MarvinPA> w- unwields things
15:10:05 <MarvinPA> it's mentioned on the wield screen :P
15:10:10 <MarvinPA> "Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)?"
15:11:36 <retr0rocket> ahh on i was specifically looking for the u to unwield them like for the otehr weapons
15:11:59 <Eronarn> retr0rocket: some proposals have had chei drop ponderifying armor at all, and just make slowness an innate property that you take on via some invocation
15:12:53 <elliptic> eronarn: or even without an invocation
15:12:56 <retr0rocket> yea thats what I was thinking and to keep people from switching it off too often just make taking it off a penance
15:13:19 <MarvinPA> i still like the idea of just tying slowness to piety, yeah
15:13:54 <retr0rocket> you can just make it an invocation whose strength comes from piety? like doesnt yreds animate dead become screen wide after 3 stars?
15:14:40 <MarvinPA> i was thinking more have it be entirely passive
15:15:20 <retr0rocket> hmm i guess that will eliminate ditiching ponderous gear for speed but i guess chei could be nerfed a little
15:15:51 <MarvinPA> well i'd also like to give him some more interesting abilities to help out, along with that
15:15:57 <jeanjacques> it would help a lot if step from time worked like a proper escape ability
15:16:04 <retr0rocket> hmmm but chei already is very interesting
15:16:16 <retr0rocket> his whole concept is pretty awesome
15:16:27 <retr0rocket> compared to something like makhleb
15:17:01 <MarvinPA> interesting but with some weak implementation
15:17:22 <retr0rocket> what would he get though?
15:17:23 <MarvinPA> i'd also want to get rid of the stat boosts if possible, hence new abilities
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15:17:29 <retr0rocket> ahh
15:17:41 <retr0rocket> then thats alot to make up for
15:18:31 <retr0rocket> maybe make bend time like silence
15:18:41 <retr0rocket> creates a field of slowness around your character
15:18:48 <Eronarn> MarvinPA: also the resistances :P
15:18:54 <MarvinPA> the resistances too, yeah
15:18:54 <retr0rocket> whhhaa
15:19:01 <retr0rocket> damn
15:19:06 <MarvinPA> well, with no ponderous gear you could wear randarts
15:19:11 <MarvinPA> so that would even out a lot more easily
15:19:16 <retr0rocket> yea
15:19:17 <Eronarn> retr0rocket: a proposal i had was a zeno's paradox ability
15:19:32 <retr0rocket> zenos paradox closer to you
15:19:33 <retr0rocket> the slower?
15:19:41 <retr0rocket> so they can never reach you?
15:19:50 <retr0rocket> sounds kinda op
15:19:53 <elliptic> marvinpa: I think giving a couple resistances and some small stat boosts is okay... they just shouldn't be as extreme as +15
15:20:11 <Eronarn> retr0rocket: well it could be done in multiple ways. for example, vs. projectiles
15:20:21 <Eronarn> elliptic: mechanically okay but it's not thematic at all
15:20:37 <retr0rocket> i say we just bump up the metabolic slow
15:20:41 <retr0rocket> at max piety you get timeless
15:20:52 <retr0rocket> unable to sickened, poisoned, and hasted/slowed
15:21:00 <retr0rocket> no food counter
15:21:08 <MarvinPA> elliptic: that'd be fine too, yeah
15:21:28 <Eronarn> time control abilities, rather than just slow abilities, are other options
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15:21:43 <Eronarn> for example, one class in TOME has an ability where damage you take is spread across your future, rather than occurring all at once
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15:22:25 <retr0rocket> hmm and an emergency technique would be nice
15:22:45 <retr0rocket> most of the other gods have a get out of jailcard for high piety
15:22:54 <MarvinPA> well, step from time is supposed to be that
15:23:00 <elliptic> step from time is pretty good
15:23:06 <MarvinPA> i've not used chei much but it seems to mostly work
15:23:31 <elliptic> it isn't enter the abyss or stacked escape decks but it is more than most gods provide
15:23:46 <MarvinPA> yeah
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15:24:21 <Eronarn> chei needs more tactical options based on my experience with him
15:24:45 <elliptic> two tactical abilities isn't enough for you?
15:24:59 <retr0rocket> eh which two?
15:25:08 <retr0rocket> when ive been corned with chei
15:25:08 <elliptic> the two that aren't an escape ability
15:25:12 <retr0rocket> ive always felt that
15:25:18 <retr0rocket> its either i have a blink scroll
15:25:20 <retr0rocket> or im fucked
15:25:22 <retr0rocket> cause icant run
15:25:25 <MarvinPA> i'd quite like a blink-stuff-to-you invocation still
15:25:44 <elliptic> slowing stuff and dealing damage to everything in sight are both quite strong
15:25:51 <elliptic> and interesting to use
15:26:04 <retr0rocket> isnt the slow just 1 square adjacent though?
15:26:07 <elliptic> blink-stuff-to-you would be useful maybe, but what's the thematic justification
15:26:18 <retr0rocket> black hole
15:26:20 <MarvinPA> "time skip" or something, dunno
15:27:00 <Eronarn> being able to slow down a region of time could be interesting
15:27:18 <MarvinPA> "temporal distortion"
15:27:20 <Eronarn> you fill up an area with 'slowness', and the size of the area determines just how slow it is
15:27:23 <retr0rocket> id really like the region of slowness idea
15:27:24 <MarvinPA> or whatever
15:27:33 <retr0rocket> combined with the silence aoe
15:27:33 <Eronarn> so either a large AOE slow, or a pinpointed huge slow
15:27:42 <retr0rocket> that might be too difficult
15:27:50 <retr0rocket> i was thinking of just using silence convept
15:27:56 <retr0rocket> and slow everything around you permanetly
15:28:06 <elliptic> marvinpa: actually, a low-duration step from time sort of has the effect of blinking monsters to you
15:28:26 <MarvinPA> hmhm
15:28:51 <Eronarn> actually, what about: what i just said except make it 'congeal time'
15:28:57 <MarvinPA> would it be distinct enough to be a seperate ability? low duration, lower piety cost?
15:29:12 <retr0rocket> and it wouldnt if they are centaurs
15:29:14 <Eronarn> and have it both slow things, and protect them from damage
15:29:17 <MarvinPA> would save coding effort that way, too :P
15:29:19 <retr0rocket> they would just keep shoot things
15:29:27 <elliptic> marvinpa: yeah :P
15:29:34 <Eronarn> so an AOE slow that doesn't protect them much, or a single target paralyze that also renders them totally immune to damage
15:29:54 <elliptic> marvinpa: try it out sometime... I did some experimenting with this when I was trying to find a better felid death effect
15:30:04 <Eronarn> i think that would be an interesting effect since you might actually be OK with being caught inside it too
15:30:05 <MarvinPA> cool, i'll have a play with it in a bit
15:30:09 <elliptic> and it wasn't great for that, but it was an interesting effect anyway
15:31:07 <MarvinPA> oh also, https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4014 <- should i push this to trunk?
15:31:20 <MarvinPA> it looks like it adds some good functionality
15:31:33 <MarvinPA> and it's been sat rotting on mantis for a while
15:32:39 <MarvinPA> hm, autopicking up ego daggers for throwing is not so useful though
15:33:33 <elliptic> I don't understand the intended uses
15:34:14 <MarvinPA> automatically picking up ego stuff for your skills, i guess
15:34:27 <MarvinPA> i'm not sure how useful all of it would be
15:35:32 <MarvinPA> but getting sandblast/s2s items is nice, i've used lua for that in the past
15:35:56 <MarvinPA> i guess i could just grab the bits out of it that are nice and keep them in my own rc :P
15:37:19 <elliptic> part of the problem is that you usually don't want to use the same options for stuff like this for the entire game
15:37:34 <MarvinPA> yeah, true
15:37:50 <MarvinPA> like, automatically picking up helmets/gloves etc would be nice but not once you already have them
15:38:04 <elliptic> or picking up all darts
15:38:27 <MarvinPA> hmm
15:38:47 <MarvinPA> i guess i'll leave it be for the moment, definitely tempted to steal the sandblast functionality though :P
15:41:29 <elliptic> I'd tend to say that the correct direction to go with autopickup improvements is some sort of autopickup configuration menu in-game
15:41:57 <MarvinPA> yeah, i think there is an implementable up for that now
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16:52:12 <Twinge> Anyone know where sorear vanished to?  Haven't seen him in months I think...
16:55:36 <elliptic> !seen sorear
16:55:36 <Henzell> I last saw sorear at Sat Jun 11 22:05:05 2011 UTC (7w 2d 23h 50m 31s ago) parting ##crawl-dev with message chanpart.
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17:00:54 <Twinge> Ah.  He's been gone from #adom as well.
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21:16:09 <CIA-34> 03MarvinPA * r442af132e916 10/crawl-ref/source/art-data.txt: Fix missing details from the descriptions of some jewellery unrands
21:16:10 <CIA-34> 03dolorous 07stone_soup-0.9 * r9bc750afe684 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: For unrandarts with no description, display the item base type description.
21:16:10 <CIA-34> 03MarvinPA 07stone_soup-0.9 * r4eb85e47bb1c 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mgen_data.h spl-summoning.cc): Use fake_abjuration for Simulacra
21:16:20 <CIA-34> 03elliptic 07stone_soup-0.9 * rbd43a37964e0 10/crawl-ref/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Add option to make new characters start with manual skill training.
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22:14:33 <Gretell> gowby (L5 HECj) ERROR in 'tileview.cc' at line 916: non-door tile (Ossuary)
22:15:10 <Wensley> !lg gowby crash -log
22:15:10 <Sequell> Unknown selector: verb
22:15:17 <Wensley> !lg gowby -crash -log
22:15:18 <Sequell> Malformed argument: -crash
22:15:27 <Wensley> !lg gowby crash
22:15:27 <Sequell> Unknown selector: verb
22:15:35 <Wensley> dur
22:15:40 <Wensley> !lm gowby crash -log
22:15:41 <Sequell> 1. gowby, XL5 HECj, T:4517 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.8/gowby/crash-gowby-20110803-031427.txt
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23:24:42 <Ashenzari> Duvessa did not berserk when met after Dowan's death (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4350) by Kyrris
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