00:00:43 Pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9-b1-10-g503be72 (32) 00:02:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.10-a0-21-ga22dd4b (32) 00:17:58 Windows builds of pre-release branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9-b1-10-g503be72 00:22:10 -!- petete has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:59 -!- hoody_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:46:23 -!- hoody_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:02 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:01:55 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.5] 02:08:52 -!- hoody_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:14:02 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:39 !tell galehar Would it be useful if I built dailies for OSX? 02:14:39 bmh: OK, I'll let galehar know. 02:14:50 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16:21 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:33 -!- bmh has quit [Changing host] 02:18:33 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:15 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:20:45 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 02:27:36 -!- ivan has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:27:36 -!- djinni has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 02:27:59 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 02:29:20 -!- ivan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:20 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:29 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:36 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:55 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Client Quit] 02:37:34 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:48 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Client Quit] 02:47:21 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:58 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:52:32 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:56 -!- hoody_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:22:32 -!- hoody_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:25:32 bmh: heck, we even don't have a clue currently if 0.9 works on Mac _at all_ 03:28:30 regarding #3998, there's the issue that tile_flags is saturated. All 32 bits used. 03:28:31 galehar: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 03:28:53 we can keep juggling with exclusive flags, or maybe move to bit array like we did for monster flags 03:28:56 !messages 03:28:57 (1/2) Wensley said (7h 46m 25s ago): thanks for applying that patch! :) 03:28:59 !messages 03:29:00 (1/1) bmh said (1h 14m 21s ago): Would it be useful if I built dailies for OSX? 03:29:17 I used the last one to display Inner Flame 03:29:21 bmh: yes! 03:29:31 and had a hunch an extension would be nice, but ignored it :( 03:30:14 what do you think of moving to bit array like for monster flags? Would it create any kind of problem? 03:31:15 in the long run no, but it might break webtiles since it translates the flags as well 03:32:11 the problem with monster flags was that it exceeded 64 bits, and not all platforms have int128_t 03:33:01 oh, so we could move tile_flags to 64 bit instead, right? would probably be easier to do. 03:33:40 so there are two solutions: uint64_t and FixedBitArray; the first one would be easier, the second more resilient in the far future 03:34:31 let's go with the first then :P 03:34:34 !coffee 03:34:35 * Henzell hands galehar a mug of latte macchiato, brewed by Mnoleg. 03:34:55 Eronarn: http://xkcd.com/928/ 03:43:07 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:47 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:16:58 Hrm. I'm guessing undead are inherently immune to fear and that's why why I'm trying isn't working... 05:18:29 I was looking at making shadow run away from sunlight effects 05:20:01 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:48 Heh. Well, tried using something like Sanctuary's fear... this caused ti to be afraid and stay in place, and then the effect never works again even on a new shadow ;O 05:59:13 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: :(){ :|:& };:] 06:16:24 good waketime 06:17:05 kilobyte: is 0.9 still in alpha? curious how catoblepas rarity is at the moment 06:19:59 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:20:50 CAO is running alpha, CDO beta 06:21:25 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:16 CAO has 0.10-a0-21-ga22dd4b, CDO 0.9-b1-10-g503be72 (mislabelled as "trunk" but it's really pre 0.9) 06:33:24 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42:54 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:06 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 06:43:09 hello 06:43:43 kilobyte: any thoughts on detecting OSX 10.7 from uname? I was just going to look for /Developer/SDKs/OSX10.7 06:45:47 not the slightest clue, I'm afraid 06:46:19 I didn't bother writing down the uname before upgrading 06:48:08 Lion : Darwin 11.0.0 Darwin Kernel Version 11.0.0: Sat Jun 18 12:56:35 PDT 2011; root:xnu-1699.22.73~1/RELEASE_X86_64 06:48:55 Snow Leopard: Darwin iMac.local 10.0.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.0.0: Fri Jul 31 22:47:34 PDT 2009; root:xnu-1456.1.25~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 06:49:06 great. We can just inspect the kernel version 06:49:26 Why do you want to even detect the version? 06:49:43 Fyren: SL and Lion have their toolchains in different locations. 06:50:14 The makefile as it stands won't compile in Lion 06:50:59 kernel version might change in a point release 06:51:03 or in hackintosh 06:51:25 kilobyte: 11.xxx.yyy versus 10.xxx.yyy should probably be good enough for now 06:51:35 I wonder, what do you need to know? The path to the SDK or something else? 06:51:59 I think that's all you need 06:52:43 I think we're preserving compatiblity back to Jaguar. 06:53:01 no -- Tiger 06:54:19 for the path, [ -d /Developer/SDKs/OSX10.7 ] sounds like a safer bet 06:54:40 -!- petete has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:52 especially if you run a new kernel with Snow Leopard, or install the new SDK 06:55:05 or the old one -- I've heard you need to if you want to compile PPC builds 06:55:27 When's the last time someone has built it on a PPC machine? 06:59:35 heck, I wonder how many people are still running Tiger 06:59:36 my clue here goes to the other side of mere "vacuum" and reaches negative densities :p 07:01:44 kilobyte: I !told galehar, but I might as well pose it to you: do we want OSX nightlies? 07:02:16 Why not always use the oldest SDK that crawl builds against rather than detect the system? 07:02:43 Fyren: since upgrading to Lion, I no longer have the Snow Leopard SDK, for example. 07:02:45 I don't know how many players would want OSX trunks 07:03:17 bmh: I'm pretty sure you can get the older SDK out of the Xcode packages. 07:03:20 You could for older releases. 07:05:50 Well, at the very least, if you want nightlies, they should be against some older SDK version, right? 07:06:11 -!- ixtli has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: http://www.textualapp.com/] 07:06:44 Fyren: For the sake of ensuring backward compatability? 07:08:18 bmh: we certainly do want regular updates for OSX. Once a week should be good enough. But nightlies can't hurt either if it's the same for you. 07:08:48 galehar: I was just going to write a cronjob to pull trunk, build it and sftp it somewhere 07:08:57 put my laptop to use while I'm at work 07:09:36 sounds great 07:09:57 will have to ask napkin about how and where to push it 07:10:15 I probably won't be able to do it throughout September, but it shouldn't be a problem apart from that 07:10:21 pardon? 07:10:22 Napkin: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:10:49 bmh: Yes, not everyone will be on Lion, right? 07:11:13 Fyren: The binaries should be backward compatible. I have no sense of what the Lion adoption rate will be. 07:11:43 bmh: send me your public ssh key and i'll give you details 07:12:53 Is -mmacosx-version-min just for compilation or does it affect the binary? 07:12:55 not sure what to do with the Debian packaging, too. (No cronjob right now) 07:13:20 Would it make sense to have an integration server? 07:13:54 I have a mostly idle virtual server running Debian 5 07:15:39 choices: 1. "trunk" tracks 0.9-beta, no "stable" builds, 2. "trunk" tracks 0.9-beta, aliased to 0.9, 3. "trunk" with no updates (so people can go to 0.9 at any time), "0.9" with regular builds, 4. both "trunk" and "0.9" with regular builds 07:16:29 heh, no idea what "Debian 5" is :p 07:16:38 kilobyte: The version before the current one 07:16:54 I upgraded from Debian 4 the day before the new version came out 07:17:07 still, a machine to do the builds is not an issue, it's more about managing its configuration 07:17:37 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:05 kilobyte: sure. Sounds like we could use on cronjob to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. 07:20:30 New Octopode Tiles (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4307) by Porkchop 07:20:31 yeah, my build tool is pretty sketchy at the moment 07:21:32 !!! 07:21:35 do Octopodes change color based on the floor color? 07:21:39 the actual builds are done in three chroots: lenny-amd64, lenny-i386 and squeeze (amd64) with cross toolchain[s]: currently armel 07:21:53 that is awesomely cute :) 07:25:21 /names 07:25:41 Wanted to see if PorkChop was on the channel. He's been here sometimes? 07:25:42 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:25:42 :) 07:26:11 Best to comment on the tracker! 07:29:23 yep, very nice tile 07:35:01 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36:54 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:09 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:37:34 Are there any effects apart from nets that cause a player to be Held? 07:47:18 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:55:56 Anaconda constriction maybe? 07:56:44 or maybe it was never actually implemented 08:08:54 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:07:07 -!- Twilight13 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:08:05 -!- Twilight has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:31 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest32649 09:25:01 -!- hoody_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:13 I got an idea about an effect: instead of destroying items, it would render them unusable for a few turns. 09:43:14 -!- hoody_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:57 oh my, that octopode tile is awesome 09:57:06 -!- hoody_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:21 Tiles can cast with -CAST artifacts (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4308) by Claws 10:21:27 Unarmed claws damage messages are not used (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4309) by 78291 10:45:20 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:52 kilobyte: there are several new bugfixes in my webtiles branch; could you merge it again? 10:53:24 or if another dev wants to do it: https://gitorious.org/~fdiebold/crawl/fdiebolds-crawl/commits/webtiles 11:01:41 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:38 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:31:53 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:44:47 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Quit: moocowpong1] 11:44:48 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:48 -!- bmh has quit [Changing host] 11:44:48 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:03 hi 11:46:01 hey bmh 11:46:07 just got home and would have some time now 11:46:13 great 11:46:25 could you use ftp instead of scp/sftp? 11:46:57 if you're fine without crypto 11:47:04 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:18 if you're ok with scripting the ftp put command? 11:47:38 oh, point. I'd rather not do that. scp is the easiest thing for me 11:58:32 03MarvinPA * rdb7260f09e25 10/crawl-ref/source/ (beam.cc mon-cast.cc): Don't affect same-aligned monsters with Cause Fear, reduce message spam 12:02:23 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:06 03dolorous * rc4c50e59a8c9 10/crawl-ref/source/fight.cc: Fix Mantis 4309: Properly use unarmed claw attack messages again. 12:25:02 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 12:25:33 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:50 -!- hoody_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:15 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:51 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:00:52 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:03:23 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:42 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:23 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330]] 13:19:55 -!- petete has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:52 Are tere any other fear effects besides the normal ench_fear (e.g. scroll of fear) and zin's sanctuary? 13:28:43 well, monsters that cast fear have a different effect, when it hits the player 13:28:46 if that's what you mean? 13:29:47 Nah. Trying to figure out a way to fear a shadow, basically. 13:29:58 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:29 ah, i think at the moment most fear effects only work on natural monsters 13:33:48 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:32 Zin's sanctuary fear works on (almost?) everything, but it is also pretty weird and harder to use for other purposes 13:37:38 When I tried, the shadow was feared but stayed in place - and even odder, it appears to never work again, even in a new game. 13:54:16 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:14 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:16 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:22 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330]] 14:22:39 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:44 I wonder how easy it would be to make an exception for shadows getting feared. Or if it'd be easier to try and make a new fear that just worked on shadows, hehe. hmm 14:35:47 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Quit: bbl] 14:42:20 dazzle (L1 MDFi) (D:1) 14:52:04 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:52 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:57 Fighting experience bug (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4310) by Palladion 15:14:30 03galehar * raf5b8528b9ec 10/crawl-ref/source/skill_menu.cc: Fix incorrect use of the SKMF_CHANGED flag. 15:14:41 03galehar * r106bcb2be92d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files): Save skill menu states as normal members of Player instead of using props. 15:14:41 03galehar * r8c8ee438aedc 10/crawl-ref/source/ (10 files): Allow choosing skills to train after using a card/potion of experience. 15:14:41 03galehar * r06019c780990 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-cast.cc: Fix some inconsistent spell casting checks (#4308). 15:32:00 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:22 -!- RichardHawk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:33:43 -!- RichardHawk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:48 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330]] 15:39:48 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:49 -!- Garhauk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:43 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:33 -!- Guest32649 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:17:30 -!- Twilight has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:56 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest36070 16:20:03 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:25 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26:36 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:29:22 -!- bhaak is now known as kerio` 16:29:31 -!- kerio` is now known as bhaak 16:35:59 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:09 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:55:52 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:36 -!- RichardHawk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:22:35 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:25:09 -!- RichardHawk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:32 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:55 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:11 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:41:22 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:48:57 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:39 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:04:48 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:01 -!- moocowpong1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:10 -!- moocowpong1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:46 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 18:27:11 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:44 !tell edlothiol do webtiles character dumps/logs/morgues record that the player was playing webtiles? 18:43:44 Wensley: OK, I'll let edlothiol know. 18:51:40 -!- Wensley has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]] 19:06:28 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:04 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:20:32 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:skills:fuzzing 19:24:58 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: zzz] 19:40:17 -!- jeanjacques has quit [] 19:52:42 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:17:52 -!- ixtli has joined ##crawl-dev 20:58:21 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:27 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:05:38 -!- Garhauk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:07 -!- Guest36070 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:28 -!- Guest36070 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:06 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:42 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:24:39 -!- hoody has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:25:14 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:20 -!- hoody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:25:26 -!- hoody has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:44 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:08 -!- Guest36070 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:25 -!- Twilight has joined ##crawl-dev 23:38:51 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest10984 23:47:47 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:49:51 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:56:53 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev