00:02:50 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9-a1-138-gb480a0f (32) 00:05:42 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:07:58 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:30 Cobalt (L3 CeWn) (D:2) 00:10:41 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:17:17 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9-a1-138-gb480a0f 00:32:02 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:43 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:43:20 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:12 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:07 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:29 LuckyNed the Nimble (L10 DDNe) (D:7) 01:13:30 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:53 !lg 01:57:54 338. jokeserver the Slasher (L7 MiFi), mangled by an orc warrior (a +0,+0 orcish glaive) on D:6 on 2011-05-14, with 968 points after 4626 turns and 0:16:48. 01:58:00 er 01:58:10 !lg herself 01:58:11 1099. herself the Brawler (L16 GhFi), worshipper of Makhleb, blown up by on D:6 on 2011-05-14, with 94350 points after 35622 turns and 3:23:51. 01:59:47 due, rax: I'd like a no-bot rule online servers very much 02:00:05 *on 02:00:37 -!- Napkin changed the topic of ##crawl-dev to: DCSS Development | Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 02:01:37 have bots really been causing trouble? the only one that has been running much recently is n78291's bot (xw)... has it been consuming much CPU? 02:05:15 from what i gathered, the issues seemed to be part because of that, but also because of some worry that tool assisted speed runs might devalue regular games, or something along those lines. There could be ghost related concerns too 02:05:30 but it also doesnt seem like a big deal, really... nothing was going particularly slow on cdo earlier 02:06:06 the fact that they are counted in stats is just wrong. the stats are about human players. 02:06:12 The only instance where it could de-value regular games is a) when it is extremely common, and b) where it is not known that they are a bot. 02:06:23 Napkin: Perhaps you could set a flag on some accounts that makes them not be counted in stats? 02:06:25 well, so far nobody has been using bots on their own primary accounts 02:06:41 people have been good about this 02:07:19 I can see how it could become a problem, though 02:07:29 and, had i not immediately vetoes, even CDO would be on the ground because of a single bot using 60% of a cpu with 2.8ghz 02:07:36 *vetoed 02:08:44 if you want to exclude bots from certain stats, you can do that already in sequell queries since the bots are nickmapped 02:09:13 stats != !lm, etc. 02:09:21 Napkin: ouch 02:09:24 naughty bots! 02:09:35 if people would use their bots at home, there would be no such extra work, evilmike 02:09:50 why not add a bot-only server? 02:10:01 go ahead, Zannick 02:10:43 :< 02:11:01 the good news is, there are only a couple of people (like 2 or 3) who have these things, and they aren't run very often... and in the case of xw, much of the game was human controlled 02:11:18 i still understand that they're a bit of an issue, but the good news is they won't spiral out of control or anything like that :P 02:12:03 evilmike: how do you know they won't go out of control? 02:12:43 well, when they first came onto the scene, autorobin was quite popular and being run a lot. The novelty has weared off since then 02:12:50 afaik nothing has changed about bots recently, yeah 02:13:30 !lm autorobin type=rune 1 02:13:34 1. [2011-04-01] autorobin the Ripper (L15 FeBe) found a serpentine rune of Zot on turn 36646. (Snake:5) 02:13:44 I admit, it's a niche, luckily. but still the current bots use up to 35% of cpu, constantly 02:14:14 that was a month and a half ago that autorobin got its first rune and it hardly gets run at all now 02:14:36 we can put a larger delay on the bots, too 02:14:57 I'll go double the delay on autorobin right now, in fact :) 02:15:10 Bots shouldn't be playing any faster than the fastest human player, I suppose. 02:15:24 would doing things like reducing viewport to 8x8 and replacing all glyphs with the same character help at all? 02:15:29 Mummy scumming scripts going at double speed also had a significant impact on servers, too. 02:15:47 evilmike: How do you suppose it knows what's about? 02:16:08 (How does it, anyway, actually?) 02:16:19 well, when i recently looked at the stats pages on akrasiac with my dad.. I had to tell him to disregard entries in certain categories, because they are bots 02:16:20 i'm not sure. I dont think the display matters though 02:16:38 Hm, I didn't think the Lua was advanced enough to allow for disregarding display entirely. 02:16:41 elliptic? 02:16:49 a while ago elliptic was playing around with making all of autorobins display blank spaces, after some silly account I made on cao did that 02:17:08 due: the lua doesn't read the display at all, actually... I don't even know whether it is possible for it to do that 02:17:49 the bots are completely blind to anything on the screen 02:17:59 greensnark may show up today, to do some work on CAO (player-status etc) 02:18:19 i'm taking a plane at 13 o'clock 02:18:48 so maybe one of you could tell him, which scores to ignore? 02:19:00 Napkin: sure 02:19:04 (plane, yay!) 02:19:09 (\o/) 02:19:18 !nick teambot 02:19:19 Mapping teambot => autorobin phybot auto7hm xw cashybrid 02:19:20 Mapping teambot => autorobin phybot auto7hm xw cashybrid 02:20:00 those are all the bot accounts I know of, at least among recent ones 02:20:19 xw is the only one that has played in the tournament so far 02:20:23 I know there were some much more primitive ones a year or so ago but those didn't impact anything 02:20:51 looking at the config, is there a sure way to detect a bot? 02:21:23 I'm sure it would be possible... but I highly, highly doubt anyone would try to "sneak in" a bot 02:21:31 not really... they have hundreds of lines of lua, but people might legitimately use that much 02:22:14 oh, you meant the rcfiles 02:22:28 How about a Lua variable in your rcfile? 02:22:35 this_user_is_a_bot = True? 02:23:32 what do you do with "hybrid" cases like cashybrid, where a lua script automates easy parts of the game, but a human controls the harder/tactical parts? 02:24:19 rcfiles/crawl-svn> grep -c "local " * | grep -v ":0$" | wc -l 02:24:19 30 02:24:20 It's still a bot. 02:24:26 that's a bit more than 02:24:34 !nick teambot 02:24:34 Mapping teambot => autorobin phybot auto7hm xw cashybrid 02:24:34 Mapping teambot => autorobin phybot auto7hm xw cashybrid 02:24:48 :0$? 02:25:19 yes, don't could players that have not "local bla" variable definitions 02:25:22 *count 02:25:40 Ah 02:25:48 I have local variable definitions in my rcfile, I think. 02:25:49 grep -c 02:26:00 no, you don't :) 02:26:24 somewhere I do :) 02:26:32 napkin: some people use complicated lua scripting in their rcfiles without automating anything 02:26:46 I have some awesome functions in one of my rcfiles 02:26:48 perhaps on CAO 02:26:53 I'm quite worried about not counting games played by humans if you try something like this 02:27:09 which seems like a far bigger problem than anything else that has come up 02:27:41 definitely having bot code: RoboJordan hypomonqy mutarobin xomscumming Cryptic effo mikee monqy 02:27:41 hm 02:27:53 mikee? 02:27:54 mikee what 02:28:01 he definitely doesn't use a bot :P 02:28:01 xyblor 02:28:06 see, this is what I mean 02:28:22 !rc mikee 02:28:23 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-0.8/mikee.rc 02:28:24 a lot of those others probably don't either 02:28:30 # AUTOFIGHT WITH SUPPORT FOR DISALLOWING MOVEMENT 02:28:34 xomscumming is a gimmick, monqy has a ton of fancy stuff (autokite probably), effo also likes to use fancy lua stuff to make the game a bit nicer (I use some of his lua in my rcfile) 02:28:35 from his config 02:28:37 AUTOFIGHT is not a bot! 02:28:38 Autofight is stdlib 02:28:40 dunno about the others but I'm sure it's all the same 02:28:51 he just copied it to his rc to tweak it a bit 02:28:59 autofight is part of crawl itself 02:29:03 though not enabled by default 02:29:03 as compared with the standard autofight that is part of crawl 02:29:10 what about the tons of others, huh? 02:29:20 seriously, those aren't bots 02:29:25 so be it, some get could in collateral damage - i don't mind 02:29:55 collateral damage like this sounds *far worse* to me than any issue with bots sneaking into stats 02:30:26 --- 02:30:27 root@crash:/srv/dgamelaunch/dgldir/rcfiles/crawl-svn> grep "local function" xomscumming.rc 02:30:30 :local function delta_to_vi(dx, dy) 02:30:33 :local function sign(a) 02:30:35 :local function abs(a) 02:30:37 yes? 02:30:38 :local function adjacent(dx, dy) 02:30:40 :local function reaching(dx, dy) 02:30:41 those are part of autofight 02:30:43 :local function can_move(feat) 02:30:45 :local function try_move(dx, dy) 02:30:47 they are in the crawl source code 02:30:48 :local function move_towards(dx, dy) 02:30:50 :local function find_next_monster() 02:30:53 --- 02:30:55 what does that sound like, elliptic? 02:31:01 autofight 02:31:07 I'll get it in the crawl source 02:31:08 i should just disable client lua all together 02:31:14 ... 02:31:17 will do on next update 02:31:20 the game cannot function without client lua. 02:31:21 that is being really overzealous 02:31:32 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/lua/autofight.lua 02:31:37 napkin: ^^ 02:31:38 seems like i have to :) 02:32:11 to get some awareness through the "ohh, all is fine, don't worry" statements 02:32:12 http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/trees/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/lua 02:32:40 I'm pertty sure most of those are included by default 02:32:48 and all of them are client lua 02:33:29 anyway 02:33:33 well, here's something to worry about - a lot of the playability of crawl depends on client lua, even aside from the stuff that is already in the game by default 02:33:47 > grep -c function RoboJordan.rc 02:33:47 70 02:33:58 people will not be happy to lose that, just because one or two people (who are open about it) are running a bot, and would stop if asked nicely 02:34:04 totally normal to have 70 lua functions defined in a rc, huh? 02:34:06 "Robo" kind of implies that they're a bot 02:34:06 robojordan sounds like it is probably a bot, yes 02:34:13 !nick teambot 02:34:13 Mapping teambot => autorobin phybot auto7hm xw cashybrid 02:34:13 Mapping teambot => autorobin phybot auto7hm xw cashybrid 02:34:17 oops 02:34:23 I forgot about that one because he has hardly played any games with it 02:34:29 !gamesby robojordan 02:34:30 No games for robojordan. 02:34:34 ^^ 02:36:50 elliptic: it's not my job to detect them 02:37:00 right, so why are you trying to detect them? 02:37:02 i'll just kill them next time 02:37:45 fair enough... I'd appreciate it if someone could give a definition of what constitutes a bot, though, so I know what to avoid :) 02:37:55 since it isn't a horribly well-defined thing currently 02:39:24 git add -p 02:39:27 ... 02:39:28 :$ 02:46:10 kilobyte: I've added Uncrawl because cia was down and flaky when it came back. It was a temporary solution anyway as it's running on a server that isn't 24/7. but due and MarvinPA said they liked it, so I thought I let it run some more days more until we're sure new cia is stable. It's also only reporting from the git mirror on CDO as gitorious RSS feed is horrendous uninformative 02:46:30 bhaak: I like the linking to commits *a lot*. 02:46:35 kilobyte: you mentioned 3 fast ways for getting the diffs? which are the other 2? 02:48:07 due: me, too. having to just click is way easier than "git pull; git show " and gitweb's colored diff is quite nice. not as nice as trac's diff though 02:54:19 bhaak: even if you could just provide commit links without details as additional data to CIA would be xcellent 03:03:46 due: 2 problems with that. 1. this ruby bot runs on an already overpopulated personal server/router which has only 128 MB :) and 2. it can currently only report commit links to the branches that are on CDO as the gitorious RSS feed for the whole repository doesn't link to the individual commits. 03:03:57 -!- Textmode has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:52 although I just saw that the RSS of the individual branches does have commit links 03:07:20 hm 03:07:33 i can probably host it if you'd like? 03:10:21 I wouldn't mind. Although it's slight hacky solution atm, standard rbot 0.9.15 with a slightly customized rss plugin. Mostly hacked on support for shorturl. 03:10:37 I don't know what that means :0 03:10:38 *:) 03:11:03 "ruby IRC bot with some custom code" 03:11:09 That should've been a wink 03:11:18 and "I don't know what that means but I can surmise it" 03:11:26 what requirements does it have? 03:11:39 and how significant is it to run? not very much, i imagine? 03:12:23 Huh, why do robes look like cloaks?! 03:12:53 you mean you found some robes with a white glyph? 03:13:04 white robes and black robes are still possible 03:13:05 elliptic: Yeah, regular, nonenchanted ones. 03:13:12 some monsters drop unusual-colored robes for some reason I've never understood 03:13:23 bold white [ 03:13:26 mon-gear.cc occasionally forces specific colours for robes 03:13:33 boris... sigmund get black 03:13:33 hoh odd 03:13:41 This was from regular wights 03:13:48 wights are white 03:13:57 oki 03:14:15 and wi... oh 03:14:16 really I'm not sure the confusion is worth the potential flavour gain 03:14:29 elliptic: probably none, really 03:14:37 i don't think anyone would complain if you "fixed" it 03:14:43 elliptic: Especially since it's just crap robes... 03:14:51 due: i never noticed CPU usage. memory is about 50-100 MB. requirements: ofc ruby, unfortunately berkeley db and probably some ruby stuff that isn't mentioned in the gentoo ebuild 03:14:56 due: I might do that then. After I lose this KoBe >. 03:14:57 < 03:15:02 bhaak: hm 03:15:25 bhaak: i can probably host it off my server at work, though... 03:15:36 unless kilobyte can run it? 03:15:49 I've looked yesterday if there are any sane generic solutions/frameworks for $foo2irc but i didn't find anything that looked really convincing 03:16:59 having a generic scm repo to irc would be cool as you'd almost always want to tweak the output of a rss feed. having a simple solution of tweaking rss feeds when realying to irc would be cool ofc too 03:17:12 that would be nice, yes 03:17:18 i'd really like to find a super-lightweight irc bot 03:17:25 those i've played with recently are ... clunky at best. 03:18:14 Anyone care too look at my dump and give me some tips for !aquirement? 03:18:47 ghallberg: ##crawl is that way 03:19:03 due: -> that way actually... Sorry. 03:21:29 yeah, rbot with ~1 MB in a completely stripped down version (all plugins would add another 1 MB) isn't really what you'd call "light-weight" 03:22:29 AFAIK there are no other ruby bots around tha\custom plugin development is easy enough though. AFAIK there are no other ruby bots around that would be able to replace 03:23:07 well, any language suffices really 03:23:08 gnah. "custom plugin development is easy enough though and no other ruby bots are able to replace it by providing easier solutions AFAIK" 03:25:11 I'm sure there are fine perl and python bots out there, but I don't do those languages if I don't have to :) and something compiled is out of question because I don't want binary plugins resp. didn't find a compiled bot with sane scripting language support (but I didn't search very hard) 03:29:12 html tags on inventory display wrongly on FF4, Windows 7. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3968) by nubinia 03:45:18 -!- evilmike has quit [] 03:57:24 !time 03:57:25 Time: May 14, 2011, 08:57:25 AM, UTC. The 2011 0.8 tournament ends in 15 days, 15 hours, 2 minutes and 34 seconds. 03:57:53 Oh right, it's on. I probably don't have a lot of time to play thoguh. 04:10:08 !seen Wensley 04:10:08 I last saw Wensley at Sat May 14 05:10:41 2011 UTC (3h 59m 27s ago) quitting with message Ping timeout: 240 seconds. 04:10:21 !tell Wensley nice work on the server status page! 04:10:21 Keskitalo: OK, I'll let Wensley know. 04:16:53 -!- syllogism- has quit [] 04:17:12 -!- purge has quit [Quit: .] 04:17:31 gone on vacation o/ 04:18:08 have fun \o 04:18:38 * bhaak hopes the server won't crash the minute Napkin leaves 04:20:11 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:21:23 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:26 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:44 -!- bmh has quit [Changing host] 04:23:44 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:02 When monsters are wandering, are they just executing a random walk? 04:29:57 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 04:43:25 -!- joosa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43:25 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:45:54 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 04:48:34 -!- bmh has quit [Client Quit] 05:08:08 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 05:12:02 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:17:46 n0rd (L2 MiPr) (D:1) 05:32:23 -!- joosa has joined ##crawl-dev 05:35:51 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:42:40 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:10 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:47:20 Autoexplore stops before stepping on unrevealed trap (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3969) by Cubittus 06:31:46 -!- Guest35263 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35:24 -!- Guest35263 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:53:28 -!- cesium has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:46 Eclessiastic (L2 HEFi) (D:1) 07:14:40 -!- Whitewater has joined ##crawl-dev 07:17:34 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:23 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:27:49 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:20 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:46:19 -!- Whitewater has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:04:09 03galehar * r3e33e22571b5 10/crawl-ref/source/travel.cc: Fix travel stopping on undiscovered traps (#3969). 08:04:19 03galehar * rc57974e594b2 10/crawl-ref/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Remove the stap_prompt option. 08:04:19 03chris.hamons * r2ae89f5c9564 10/crawl-ref/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add new option, show_newturn_mark, which can disable the leading character in the message log related to new turns. 08:05:02 Remove the stap_prompt option. @ http://is.gd/fgHbZK (by Raphael Langella ) 08:05:02 Add new option, show_newturn_mark, which can disable the leading character in the... @ http://is.gd/M3prJX (by Chris Hamons ) 08:05:03 Fix travel stopping on undiscovered traps (#3969). @ http://is.gd/NoI6GR (by Raphael Langella ) 08:07:33 -!- bp has joined ##crawl-dev 08:08:18 Howdy gentlemen. I wanted to say the webtiles interface is quite awesome! Great job. 08:10:50 thanks, bp :) 08:11:24 I wrote a little bit extra CSS to spice things a bit up, which is kind of a feat given the page source :P 08:11:31 https://gist.github.com/972197 08:11:58 hehe, how about you upload it to our mantis? 08:12:05 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:07 Because it's kind of incomplete 08:12:13 choose variant "WebTiles" and edlothiol will find it :) 08:12:28 CSS has no support for "do something if this element comes before this other" 08:13:25 so e.g. I can't check if the mana bar is full (is there another .bg9 or .bg4 after this .bg1?) to draw rounded borders on the right end of the mana bar as well 08:14:21 also the
s in the s get in the way, because the right end of each span goes in the next line and all effects on the right edge of the element are effectively discarded 08:14:29 I just don't know if that's a good enough reason to file a bug. 08:14:46 you could also try to catch edlothiol 08:14:51 hi ;) 08:14:55 moin! 08:15:04 moin 08:15:06 oh.. did i mention... i missed my fucking plane?! 08:15:13 Aw, that sucks Napkin. 08:15:18 *sigh* next try tomorrow! 08:15:19 oh... yeah 08:15:50 I'll try out the css, thanks bp :) 08:15:52 -!- Wensley_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:16:03 Napkin: :( play less crawl? 08:16:13 or buy helicopter 08:16:42 great. helicopters are much cooler than planes :-) 08:16:56 seriously all autobahns to the airport were jammed... all 08:17:01 -!- Wensley has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:17:16 damn eurovision grand prix!? 08:17:59 hmm? you're living in duesseldorf? 08:18:35 no.. if i were, i would have taken a bike to the airport ;) 08:18:36 edlothiol: nevermind, it's just an ugly hack 08:19:18 most things start as ugly hacks, bp 08:19:41 Napkin: thing is, one'd have to change the page's source to make it really work 08:19:45 yeah, there's currently no metadata for the stats and messages, since it uses the normal codepath, so it's not very styleable 08:20:41 and edlothiol is the one creating the page's source - so I think you're at the right place ;) 08:20:43 -!- Wensley_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:20:44 i.e. it would be easier if there were classes like .hp and .mana, but I'll have to modify the stats area code for that 08:20:56 Yeah, the CSS is all "if there is a grey background after a blue background it must the health bar's depleted area, draw it dark blue, unless, oh wait, now you're out of mana and this no longer works. Whoops!" 08:21:07 *the mana bar's depleted 08:21:49 I'll put it on my list ;) 08:21:57 :) 08:22:41 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:21 soo... how's the tourney doing? 08:24:36 wow, 16 people watching R18 on web-tiles 08:24:56 yeah :D 08:25:18 of course, the "ESC: back to game" is covered now :D 08:26:28 -!- edlothiol has left ##crawl-dev 08:26:34 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:00 I'm noticing auto-travel is getting stuck. 08:32:49 I'm auto-traveling until I arrive next to an unseen trap and then it stops (without revealing the trap) 08:35:05 edlothiol: 11 players, 20 people watching - server.py is between 3-8% of cpu usage 08:35:12 i'd say that's quite good :) 08:35:57 yep.. auto-travel is bugged in trunk 08:37:09 has R18 been idle for a while now, or is my connection stuck? 08:37:20 please report, bmh 08:37:25 Napkin: doing so 08:37:49 i mean, could you please file a bug in mantis? by just telling in here it'll probably get lost 08:38:04 oh. Raphael just fixed it 08:38:33 bp: not idle 08:39:16 Napkin, nice :) 08:44:20 Napkin: I just got a monster spawning within my LOS 08:44:34 <- non-dev noob 08:44:36 :) 08:44:42 liez! 08:45:06 i just help to manage stuff around the code ;) 08:46:04 hmm... well, it came down the stairs from outside the dungeon 08:46:11 I guess that isn't bugworthy 08:52:32 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:34 Napkin: yup, had to refresh the page 08:54:06 that's by design, bmh 08:54:30 Napkin: I figured as much. I'd missed the appearance in the log and thought it was a normal spawn 08:55:15 :) 08:56:12 huch 08:56:27 ??leather armour 08:56:28 leather armour[1/1]: +3 ac -1 ev 09:05:29 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 09:21:05 Gah, turns out orc warlods can deal more than 36 damage. 09:21:11 and survive a level 11 stab. 09:21:16 Ah well. Later. 09:24:28 -!- ghallber1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:59 -!- ghallberg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:33:26 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:30 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:44 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:07 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:58 -!- wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:50 -!- wensley has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:13:35 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:43 -!- Uncrawl has quit [Quit: seeya] 10:37:56 -!- Uncrawl has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:47 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:40 -!- ion has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:26 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:20:38 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:50 Crash while my High Elf Hunter ran around (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3970) by vonbrand 11:52:18 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 12:29:47 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:06 autoexplore doesn't do anything (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3971) by ortoslon 12:30:47 ortoslon: Raphael has fixed it 12:31:07 3e33e22571b56b575418c9657f2be524d90ed527 > Fix travel stopping on undiscovered traps (#3969). 12:32:16 anyone in here playing tiles locally? 12:32:22 me 12:32:28 ah, great 12:32:36 could you please check out some setting for me? 12:32:41 which 12:32:47 clean_map = true 12:33:18 could you update the build? 12:33:30 why? 12:33:55 because an annoying bug has been fixed? 12:34:03 oh.. let me guess - you don't have 0.8, right? 12:34:07 yeah. A *really* annoying bug 12:34:37 Napkin: you want me to check clean_map in 0.8+ 12:34:39 ? 12:34:54 problem with clean_map = true: it's supposed to _not_ continue showing monsters, when they get out of LOS 12:35:19 this works fine in ascii - but in webtiles it also removed plants & fungi from display 12:35:25 yes please, ortoslon 12:35:28 k 12:36:02 if it also removes plants & fungi from sdl-tiles, then we know it's not a webtiles bug, but a general one 12:36:36 as soon as a plant gets out of LOS, it'll disappear - on the playfield and in X-mode 12:38:05 X-mode? 12:38:10 overmap? 12:38:13 yes 12:38:24 (i have custom keybindings) 12:38:32 :) 12:42:03 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9-a1-141-g3e33e22 12:42:49 Napkin: i wizmoded a plant up, when i leave its los it isn't removed from display or minimap 12:43:06 clean_map on what setting? 12:43:13 right, i forgot 12:43:57 set to true, now it disappears from display but not from minimap 12:44:14 roger, thank you very much 12:45:00 hey ortoslon? 12:45:13 could you tell me how to wizmode a plant? 12:45:29 the wismode key, M plant 12:47:14 awesome, thanks :) 12:47:17 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9-a1-141-g3e33e22 (32) 12:47:58 for the next version, can we go to 10? 12:50:54 !tell dpeg the next major version after 0.9 should be named 0.(9) 12:50:57 ortoslon: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 12:51:14 ortoslon: because it looks like a face? 12:51:32 no, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/0.999... 12:51:36 oh 12:51:44 this ain't TeX 12:52:22 but come on, 1.0? hahaha 12:52:34 screw 1.0. 12:52:55 we'll get more e-mail from someone who wants to "Translate crawl into X language when it finally goes stable" 12:53:09 Coron (L9 FeBe) (D:9) 12:54:22 0.10 is the version number 0.1 higher than 0.9 12:54:40 0.10 might cause confusion with 0.1 12:54:43 0.A 12:55:14 clean_map = true removes plants/fungi/etc (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3973) by Napkin 12:55:14 Closed doors in Cigotuvi wizlab are not obviously doors (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3972) by Mu 12:57:57 should prolly have put tiles in the title too :P 12:58:22 is cigotuvi lab the fleshy one? 12:58:27 yep 12:58:33 yeah 13:00:26 it would be nice if I could butcher and eat a corpse just by typing 'e' instead of 'ce' 13:26:31 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:56 Flubber (L2 DDNe) (D:1) 13:29:23 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 13:34:41 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:45:42 -!- OG17 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:04 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 14:09:23 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:07 heh http://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/haokp/dcss_usersubmitted_bad_ideas_eg_kenku_cannot_see/ 14:18:09 wow, http://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/ is almost fully DCSS 14:38:51 -!- cesium has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:23 bmh: there's an option that does just that IIRC; I had it on for berserkers. 14:41:43 I don't recall the specifics however; go dig the options guide 14:42:18 absolutego (L11 DDBe) (D:10) 14:50:34 easy_eat_chunks or something like that automatically eats when you're exploring and hungry, now 14:50:44 maybe that's the one you were thinking of? 15:01:40 yeah, I think so. I set it months ago. 15:02:16 er, on a second thought, no. 15:13:52 faerogue (L10 SpSt) (D:7) 15:14:54 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 15:25:12 Gokome (L10 SpWz) (D:8) 15:25:24 Gokome (L10 SpWz) (D:8) 15:26:01 FIX: Rest/Search (.) is slow for Felid in tiles. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3974) by plaidman 15:26:34 Gokome (L10 SpWz) (D:8) 15:30:02 Davian (L11 DEWz) (Lair:2) 15:31:19 Gokome (L10 SpWz) (D:8) 15:31:37 Gokome (L10 SpWz) (D:8) 15:33:52 Gokome (L10 SpWz) (D:8) 15:38:11 Gokome (L10 SpWz) (D:8) 15:43:43 Gokome (L10 SpWz) (D:8) 15:47:07 -!- purge has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:15 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:08:18 Daemmerung the Necromancer (L14 FeNe) ASSERT(map_bounds_with_margin(source_centre, radius)) in 'abyss.cc' at line 915 failed on turn 42683. (Abyss) 16:14:07