00:00:56 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9-a1-63-g58ccf2e (32) 00:07:53 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9-a1-63-g58ccf2e 00:08:23 the dragon form trampling thing kind of sucks 00:08:47 made me walk off of the V:8 steps accidentally 00:18:52 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:08 stabwound: yeah it should really have either a toggle or a modifier key 00:26:46 at the very least, ctrl+direction shouldn't move 00:27:20 that's what i prefer, but tgw had some objections based on it also being used for attacking invis and disarming traps 00:27:43 i don't understand how that's relevant 00:28:04 neither do i, which is why i prefer it :P but since he's not around i may as well mention it 00:28:10 i wouldn't want to move when doing either of those things either 00:29:40 there was also weapon effects 00:29:47 if we ever had any that weren't completely, unambiguously positive 00:30:08 like an axe cleave killing a rat that was blocking a hill giant from attacking you 00:37:29 Wensley: Nice tourney banners! 00:37:57 Napkin: Awesom work on the wiki page, thank you so much! :) 00:38:08 hi 00:38:48 Hi due! 00:39:39 Napkin: The appendices ("Liite") will not be translated, they could be left in the pdf only 00:40:23 Any dev teAMS with free slots open for the may tourney<+ 00:40:46 moin moin :) 00:40:46 Napkin: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:41:05 gotta run now 00:41:14 thanks, Keskitalo :) the table isn't finished yet though 00:41:23 run, forest o/ 00:42:33 casmith789: no, I wasn't ;> 00:43:45 !tell Lunarharp WARNING: Failed login for user Lunarharp from ip xx.xx.xx.xx. Which means, that it really just thinks your password was wrong. 00:43:45 Napkin: OK, I'll let Lunarharp know. 00:44:37 due: blog accounts are created on demand. elliptic, let me know when you would like to write or modify something in the wordpress :) 00:46:19 due: webtiles log file is located here /srv/dgamelaunch/webserver/webtiles.log 00:46:57 readable by group crawl - in case of a similar incident during my night 00:51:58 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:02 hi hello! 00:53:59 hi Pacra! 00:54:06 Napkin: okay... 00:54:08 (What happened?) 00:54:21 i have an interface suggestion. very simple to code 00:55:03 (what happened about wordpress? nothing, it's just manual work and a waste to create accounts for people that will never do anything there :)) 00:56:39 I meant with webtiles :) 00:56:58 ah, nothing happened.. 00:57:01 Failed login 00:57:03 :) 00:57:55 oh 01:01:12 Keskitalo: thank you! :) 01:02:22 due: 01:02:23 sqlite> select username from dglusers where username like "%unarhar%"; 01:02:23 LunarHarp 01:02:25 --- 01:02:31 "H" 01:02:55 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:04:43 and, who ever is playing webtiles with firefox4.. chrome is seriously a _lot_ faster 01:04:52 DGL username is case-insensitive 01:05:26 tough luck ;) 01:05:39 should fix that ;> 01:05:46 dgl, i mean 01:06:00 Napkin: firefox 6 nightlies are a lot faster than chrome, though 01:06:17 you tried out the webtiles with ff6? 01:06:51 great to hear it works :) 01:06:55 it's really trunk, not branched to 6 yet 01:07:36 i tried ff4 yesterday and was surprised at the speed loss compared to chromium - all in regard to webtiles only, of course 01:08:15 I used bets of 4 for a year, then suddenly the repository I was on switched to trunk... not complaining 01:08:23 casmith789: my @BORING_UNIQUES = qw/Jessica Ijyb Blork Terence.... 01:09:05 extensions need compat forcing, but that's always the case before releases, and often long after 01:09:10 i haven't updated my debian/sid for ages 01:09:27 don't even have ff4.. it's in sid, right? 01:10:00 no idea, I don't use browsers that old :p 01:10:07 yes it is 01:16:22 good to know that they've already made improvements to ff4, I tried webtiles today and was discouraged by the speed (I tried upgrading to ff5 when they announced their aurora phase, but their switching mechanism was buggy and never changed me over :\ ) 01:18:36 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:07 and how's speed in chrome/chromium, Wensley? 01:21:34 last time I tried chrome it used all the memory on my tiny netbook, but I'd be willing to give it another go for science 01:21:35 kilobyte: i don't see where dgl checks names case-insensitive 01:21:55 update to at least 10.0.6x, Wensley 01:22:06 6xx 01:22:14 will do 01:23:37 Chromium is *fast* on my laptop 01:24:51 due: webtiles or in general? 01:25:45 well, we should fix that dgl accepts case-insentive names 01:25:56 but i really can't see why it does 01:26:04 off to work o/ 01:26:26 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:37:36 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:24 Napkin: it is a good deal faster in chrome (actually playable, in fact), although it is still noticeably less responsive than local tiles (although being on a different continent might have something to do with that). Problem (still in chrome, using 12.0.742.16): cannot use F11 to go fullscreen while webtiles tab has focus (it is possible to ctrl+tab to webtiles after fullscreening from a... 01:43:26 ...different tab), but even in fullscreen it is impossible to view the whole playing area at my netbook's screen resolution, which is a problem I don't have with local tiles. 01:45:24 (on a side note, I also hate how chrome makes itself your default browser without so much as a prompt) 01:46:25 kilobyte: both 01:46:51 Wensley: hm, it doesn't on my PC -- or any of the PCs I've installed Chrome on. 01:47:02 Wensley: also, webtiles is more responsive than normal tiles on my PC. 01:48:15 due: you're in australia, right? I suppose I can't chalk my responsiveness problems up to latency, then 01:49:23 recompiling with tiles now to make sure my memory isn't mistaken 01:50:44 (Though there is the occasional dip.) 01:52:35 as for chrome making itself your default browser, maybe it only does so if you install a dev build (but it's still a bit annoying, since of the four copies of firefox on my system, only one is my working profile, and it's installed somewhere weird) 02:01:36 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:20:11 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Using leafChat 2] 02:35:36 oh, I see why local tiles doesn't cut off the message area... apparently if your screen isn't tall enough, it superimposes the message area in a translucent box over the viewport. that's actually a really nifty feature 02:38:11 due: what do you mean by slow? responsiveness, speed of autoexplore, stuttering? local tiles runs very smoothly and responsively for me, with only the occasional short stutter, although autoexplore seems to move at a fair bit slower pace than I'm used to 02:42:37 elliptic is a devguy now? Awesome! 02:42:39 just tried webtiles on ff5, not discerning any difference from chrome (which is to say it's much better than ff4) 02:43:52 Wensley: of course it would be possible, but passing F11 to the game is better 02:44:57 Wensley: better select fullscreen via browser menu 02:45:12 Napkin: right, as long as it doesn't intercept ctrl+tab or alt+tab it would still be workable in full screen, were it not for the fact that my screen is too short regardless 02:46:17 changable size of the fields (playfield, status, messages) is on the todo-list :) 02:46:21 Napkin: I don't think chrome *has* any clickable option to activate fullscreen 02:46:35 (not that I've found in a minute of searching, anyway) 02:47:09 is F11 used by opera and firefox and chrome? 02:47:28 maybe we can do an exception 02:47:54 once edlothiol manages to "grab" alt+ 02:47:55 F11 is the standard fullscreen mode, yes 02:48:12 but for now, every additional key available for macros is important 02:49:23 and, speed of webtiles and normal tiles of course heavy depends on network connection, browser, cpu 02:49:56 but so far, it seems webtiles are not a big slowdown 02:49:59 Wensley: that's how webtiles is for me 02:50:10 Napkin: does it not cache all the tile information client-side? 02:50:24 the tiles from from images 02:50:32 Yeah. 02:50:33 wensley: you can also fullscreen with F11 fine at the login screen if you want 02:50:33 which are of course only loaded once 02:50:43 elliptic: good point 02:51:15 *the tiles come from images 02:51:20 Napkin: this came up earlier, but it would also be nice if gretell could mention that a game is being played on webtiles when milestones are announced on ##crawl 02:51:29 check the source, it's quite nicely strutured, due 02:52:50 webtiles' entries to logfile and milestones are announced like always. but there is as far as I know no way to distinguish an entry from console or tiles/webtiles 02:52:56 so, that's not possible at the moment 02:53:04 unless a new field is added 02:54:16 which in turn may be harmful to existing parsers. depends on *how* they parse 02:55:15 i could of course have webtiles dump its entries into a separate file, but that's rather contra-productive ;) 02:55:34 since the goal is to have 1 save and be able to play it in either console or webtiles 02:55:54 Napkin: the real solution is to make it so that you can watch webtiles from dgl :) 02:56:14 i'll leave it to the devs to decide what way to go 02:56:33 nah, that's not so important, i think 02:56:46 watch webtiles via webbrowser is enough 02:57:26 ...with the option to watch in either tiles or ascii? *fingers crossed* 02:57:37 making webtiles watchable in DGL means, that the crawl process would have to output both - tty and javascript 02:58:20 well, if someone writes a ttyplay that outputs javascript instead, it should be possible already 02:59:34 let's see how motivated the devs are, once edlothiol is willing to call it mergable :) 02:59:48 not sure how webtiles is implemented, but maybe one could invent a tileset that resembles ascii and use a greasemonkey script to replace the images dynamically 03:05:23 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:20:45 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 03:30:08 Napkin: there is one delicate matter: merging a massive new feature into the stable branch 03:33:54 Napkin: what version is webtiles? Seems like an old 0.8. 03:35:01 -!- Jordan7hm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:35:51 moin 03:36:02 galehar, ?V should tell you 03:36:19 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:37:54 Thanks. It says it's 0.8.0-69-ga9c106e 03:43:25 "old"... pfff 03:45:07 Wensley: go ahead :) checkout the png files from http://tiles.crawl.develz.org/static/* referenced in the source 03:46:05 I'll take a look at it 03:46:17 kilobyte: Florian and me decided to backport the patches to 0.8 because of the many requests to make webtiles available for the tournament 03:47:03 his webtiles-0.8 branch also has your save-on-HUP commit cherry-picked because of that 03:48:13 once Florian is happy and requests merge, he will port the patches back to master branch first, of course 03:48:27 there is no need for the official crawl repository to have webtiles in 0.8 03:49:06 and once the tourney is over and it's merged I can just switch CDO back to master branch 03:53:36 Napkin: player doll isn't updated when wielded weapon is changed. Should I keep reporting bugs to you? 03:55:53 of course you can, but I suggest you create a mantis issue instead 03:56:15 i've created a new variant in mantis called "CDO WebTiles" to assign issues to 03:56:33 but this bug in particular is known and on Florian's TODO list already :) 03:57:40 creating an issue for it might be a good idea though, so it's not forgotten 04:02:02 -!- elly has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:32 -!- elly has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:50 -!- gvdm has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:21 -!- ibanix has left ##crawl-dev 04:42:07 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 04:44:32 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:46:54 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:55:31 ??tournament 04:55:32 tournament[1/4]: The 0.8 tourney will be 00:00 Sat 14 May - 00:00 Mon 30 May. See http://crawl11.dyndns.org/ for the rules. 04:59:57 hmm. 05:07:54 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:10:04 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:20 guys? 05:15:46 about the tournament - i think the page does not mention in which config the membership info should be added 05:15:58 "crawlrc" means config from 0.8? 05:16:25 it should be 0.8, yes 05:16:32 0.8 CAO rc 05:16:33 is it? 05:18:06 I'll add a note somewhere that this should be the 0.8 file 05:18:19 great, thanks :) 05:34:14 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 05:38:14 http://crawl.develz.org/tournament 05:45:13 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:45:59 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:59 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Please try out Tiles online at http://crawl.develz.org/webtiles | Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 05:50:52 Nice! 05:51:22 Keskitalo: Uhm, random question: What does keski mean? 05:51:29 "middle" 05:51:37 Middle house? 05:51:48 Yeah 05:51:55 Kewl. 05:52:18 of course if you want to say "middle" on it's own, you'll have to say "keskimmäinen" or so, but "keskitalo" more or less means "middle house" 05:53:13 Yeah, now that you mention it I recognize keskimmÃ¤inen.. 05:53:33 MinÃ¤ ei puhu pallion soumen kieli. 05:53:40 Mutta pikkasen. 05:53:42 Hey, that's awesome :D 05:53:55 Ihan loistavaa. (: 05:54:06 listavaa? :) 05:54:11 Brilliant! 05:54:23 Ah kiitos :P 05:55:16 My ex is finnish and our daughter speaks it fluently. I try to learn a few words here and there. 05:55:27 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 05:55:38 since when are there other moon languages than German allowed in here? 05:55:48 bhaak: Tyst med dig. 05:56:08 Mein deutch ist nicht gut. 05:56:12 ghallberg: I see. 05:56:18 Ich kann Käse kiloweisse essen! 05:56:32 what a great pick up line 05:56:57 Mycke bättre än "Ich habe eine Bratwurst in meine swatche Lederhosen" tror jag.. 05:57:03 Dein vater sind ein apfelzeller. 05:57:10 "schwartse" of course 05:57:21 Lite bÃ¤ttre kanske :P 05:57:31 ah, I see you're making good progress for dcss 0.10 05:59:19 so many scandinavians (not only finnish) playing roguelikes. is there a reason for that? 06:01:08 -!- Khaki has joined ##crawl-dev 06:02:21 bhaak: I'm not finnish :( 06:02:46 bhaak: But I guess it's the same as everything else interwebz. 06:04:57 ghallberg: that's what I said, not only finnish but also the other scandinavians play lots of rl. both the crawl and nethack poll showed disproportional more scandinavians than one would expect 06:05:16 Hmm ok 06:05:51 I think scandinavia just has a lot of computer savy people, possibly related to good broadband spread. 06:10:24 does 7hm hang around in this channel? 06:16:43 -!- ghallberg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:18:37 Khaki, I believe he does, as Jordan7hm 06:19:52 great, I saw his post about writing a crawl bot, I've got some experience in AI so I'd like to join in 06:19:54 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:21:33 -!- ghallberg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:27:05 hi 06:27:10 Napkin: I lost my internet connection last night while playing webtiles, and since then I get "Another game is already in progress" 06:27:23 wow 06:27:33 so time-out didn't work? 06:27:41 doesn't seem like it 06:27:51 could you take a look if my game is really still running? 06:28:02 and/or let me look at the webtiles log? 06:28:30 yes, it is 06:28:44 there are also 2 other players which have 2 games running 06:29:10 killed your's with -1 06:30:10 killed the other ones without -1 to not overwrite their current games 06:30:17 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:30:26 ah, thanks 06:30:44 logfile copied to the usual location 06:30:49 so the other ones each had two games running? how is that even possible? 06:30:50 you still have the link? 06:30:54 yes, thanks 06:31:13 usually DGL checks if there is a game running already 06:31:19 crawl doesn't do it itself 06:31:38 -!- Guest89248 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:22 exit 06:33:25 or not 06:33:30 but I got an error 06:33:57 -!- Guest89248 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:50 -!- gvdm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:34:51 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:03 Morning 06:35:27 Cryp71c: Morning! 06:41:07 Trying to determine the best new organization of the combat scheme and can't decide something. Is it "better" to have these wrapper methods (player_attack, mons_attack_you, and mons_attack_mons) which contain the combat code, or proceed with the original plan of unifying all combat into the same (with as few special cases and if(attacker->atype == ACT_PLAYER/MONSTER) as possible) code using combat phases to organize the code. 06:42:46 The latter seems the better approach, to me...I want to make sure this organizational scheme is similarly "better" in the opinions of the rest of the devs. 07:01:36 alright, Dungeon Olms report fully in Wiki now 07:01:49 (apart from the finnish appendices) 07:02:54 that's something we should fix urgently, edlothiol 07:03:05 edthelol 07:03:09 yes 07:03:24 I'm currently thinking about how to reproduce this locally :/ 07:09:22 hehe 07:09:23 Napkin: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:09:30 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:11:05 did the log provide you with any information? 07:12:50 not much... well it confirmed that the server did indeed simply not notice that the connection was down. 07:13:36 I guess it was waiting for input, not trying to send anything, so there was no error 07:21:51 -!- evilmike has quit [] 07:26:03 -!- gvdm has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:41 so, the socket was still opened? 07:36:37 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:53 yes 07:42:31 I've manually implemented a timeout now 07:42:52 ok 07:43:24 we also need a check, to see if there is a game with the character running already, edlothiol 07:44:13 I could implement this feature in a script, if cou like? but should also be simple in python, I guess 07:44:44 -!- djinni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44:44 -!- ivan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45:11 -!- ivan has joined ##crawl-dev 07:45:11 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:32 yeah... I could even pass the running game to the new connection 07:49:28 oh 07:49:55 well, apart from the fact, that there is supposed to be no running game without a full connection ;) sounds interesting 07:51:27 yeah, you're right 07:51:46 when I implement watching, I could actually let both clients control the game :D 07:53:37 hm, I already get an error message from crawl when I try to connect with a user which is already connected 07:55:45 oh? 07:56:04 did you compile in DGL-mode? 07:56:24 the others probably didn't get a warning, otherwise they would have come here, i bet 07:56:25 no 07:56:47 maybe one of the crawl processes didn't have a running game 07:57:43 aah... if I stay in the character selection in one client, I can start a game in the other 08:10:26 well with the timeout, this shouldn't be a problem; the crawl process should only stay as long as the client is connected 08:27:54 -!- gvdm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:28:35 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:29:25 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:15 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:26:46 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:43 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:40 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:27 -!- gvdm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:42 kilobyte: any idea what attack energy is used for with monsters? I'm familiar w/ the movement energy, but I had always thought that monsters with multiple attacks get each of their attacks per turn, when possible, I hadn't ever really noticed anything otherwise. 10:29:15 attack energy doesn't have anything to do with multiple attacks 10:29:46 monsters just have separate movement and attack speeds just like the player does 10:34:27 doy, how much variance is there in attack speeds, between monsters? (Is it as drastic a variance as there is in movement speeds, with some monsters being incredibly slow and others incredibly fast)? 10:34:30 'though you wouldn't notice it looking at most monster stats' 10:34:43 Cryp71c: not much, really 10:34:44 Cryp71c: attack speed is the same as move speed except for a few things where it differs 10:34:46 @??naga 10:34:47 naga (03N) | Speed: 8 (act: 80%) | HD: 5 | Health: 16-39 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Damage: 17 | Flags: see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 108 | Sp: poison splash (d10). 10:34:49 @??deep elf master archer 10:34:50 deep elf master archer (15e) | Speed: 10 (msl: 60%) | HD: 15 | Health: 65-84 | AC/EV: 0/15 | Damage: 25, 5 | Res: 06magic(100) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1510. 10:34:59 also, weapon speed affects it 10:35:08 ogres with giant clubs have a pretty slow attack speed 10:35:14 (but not the same way that weapon speed affects players, iirc) 10:35:22 well, obviously d: 10:35:30 can't be consistent about these things or anything 10:36:15 So for a naga attacking, it will get an extra attack every 4th attack? 10:36:27 symmetry is for developers who aren't fiddler crabs 10:36:33 (if you just sit there hitting . and not attacking) 10:36:45 Cryp71c: no, it will move as if it has speed 8 and act as if it has speed 10 10:37:00 Eronarn: I thought it had 80% act? 10:37:03 if you sit there hitting . it will get one attack to every your . 10:37:06 80% act cost 10:37:43 I'm slightly confused. If the act cost doesn't refer to attacks, to what does it refer? 10:37:51 it does refer to attacks 10:38:04 it's based on the monster's base movement speed though 10:38:09 it has speed 8. an attack would normally cost 10 - so it can only go 4 times per 5 turns 10:38:14 for it, an attack costs 8 10:38:17 so a naga attack takes 80% of the time a naga move does 10:38:18 thus it can go every turn 10:38:30 Eronarn: ah, ofc I was thinking that "8" was faster than "10" because my brain is not in gear. 10:39:28 But for a DEMA, it gets an extra attack every other attack (plus or minus a turn, given the rounding of 60%)? 10:39:42 Since its normal speed but acts at 60% for missile attacks. 10:45:56 When wearing an amulet of gourmand, autoeat doesnâ€™t seem to eat chunks even when it could. Is that intentional? 10:52:40 bug: autopickup desactivated when a fungu is turned invisible by confused crazy jiuf (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3917) by Saegor 11:23:36 btw, ettins are a "nice" surprise in 0.8 11:23:46 what's different about them? 11:23:53 check their stats :o 11:23:58 @??ettin 11:23:59 ettin (07C) | Speed: 10 | HD: 12 | Health: 44-83 | AC/EV: 9/4 | Damage: 45, 45 | Res: 06magic(48), 12drown | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1438. 11:24:03 oh, wow 11:24:04 heh 11:24:09 never noticed that 11:24:22 I was 15hp away from being 1-shotted 11:24:41 they wield 2 weapons too 11:31:23 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:09 doy: for monster entries, multiple damage entries specify multiple attacks if they're unarmed...but if they're armed with either 1 or two weapons, the first 1 or 2 entries are skipped, or? 12:20:38 -!- gvdm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:30:15 stabwound: watch out for ghouls, as well, then :P 12:30:16 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:30:38 @??ghoul 12:30:38 ghoul (05n) | Speed: 10 | HD: 14 | Health: 126-166 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Damage: 3004(rot), 3004(rot) | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(93), 02cold, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04hydrochloric acid | XP: 2428. 12:31:00 nice 12:31:07 any other surprises? 12:31:58 i think st_ suggested turning rotting hulks into a fast melee monster of some sort for crypt, i didn't get around to that yet though :P 12:32:42 i like the idea though, even if crypt stays centred on melee monsters it'd be good to have some more noticeable variation between them 12:34:07 @??rotting hulk 12:34:08 rotting hulk (07n) | Speed: 8 | HD: 10 | Health: 39-72 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Damage: 2507(disease) | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(66), 02cold, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04hydrochloric acid | XP: 238. 12:34:24 @??necrophage 12:34:25 necrophage (15n) | Speed: 10 | HD: 5 | Health: 16-39 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Damage: 804(rot) | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(33), 02cold, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04hydrochloric acid | XP: 151. 12:35:51 looks like the new ettins are racking up a decent number of kills 12:36:12 oh, a fun new surprise is that beasts get trample 12:36:22 makes stair scumming the vestibule a challenge 12:36:28 D: 12:36:29 aha yeah 12:36:32 well good to know that 12:36:45 i'm a pretty big fan of that change 12:36:49 and geryon has a reaching attack and is actually pretty good at hiding behind the beasts and attacking you with it 12:36:49 (: 12:37:58 I almost got into a horrific situation on V:8 because I didn't know dragon form would trample enemies 12:38:54 please remove that :O 12:39:37 hmm, i'm not sure player trampling is necessarily such a good thing, yeah... i think there was various discussion on how to make it optional, depending if you attacked with ctrl+dir or not maybe 12:40:04 although that would make combat a bit more awkward 12:40:10 yeah 12:40:34 but honestly, the trampling makes dragon form a lot worse than if it didn't have that 12:41:07 nothing like accidentally moving off of steps or around a corner when you didn't want to 12:42:15 personally I don't think ctrl+dir should have major gameplay effects like that... annoying for people who for whatever reason have to use * to do ctrl-dirs 12:43:36 -!- Khaki has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:44:11 the player trampling was really added mostly as an afterthought 12:44:33 it could probably stand a bit more thought 12:45:34 definitely 12:46:33 the last thing dragon form needs is to be made less useful :o 12:47:26 heh 12:48:33 by the way, what happens with dragon form on draconians that are a colour that doesn't match with a dragon type? 12:48:37 like purple/grey 12:49:07 etc 12:53:32 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:21 evoke, perhaps? 12:57:29 like using reaching weapons 12:58:00 stabwound: draconians just keep whatever breath weapon and resistance they usually have when they go into dragon form 12:58:10 so they turn into purple/grey dragons, i suppose :P 12:59:05 i think internally it refers to purple as quicksilver and grey as iron dragons but that doesn't actually affect anything 13:01:01 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:56 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:24 ah, i see 13:05:52 MarvinPA? 13:06:05 yup? 13:06:21 are you still playing webtiles on CDO right now? 13:06:32 nope 13:06:35 damn 13:06:43 ok, thanks 13:06:52 btw, dgl live-status: http://crawl.develz.org/cgi-bin/dgl-status 13:06:54 why, need something checked? 13:07:17 there is still a crawl process running 13:07:26 does crawl tell you something, when you try to play? 13:07:46 or just starts like always? 13:08:00 no, just puts me straight on the race selection screen 13:08:12 hmm, ok, thanks 13:08:13 i was playing a bit yesterday, i don't recall doing anything unusual though 13:08:20 no crash or anything 13:08:24 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:36 do you remember how you left? 13:08:50 like.. closing browser, closing tab or similar? 13:09:34 hmm... i think i quit the game with ^qyes, since i was just having a look around 13:09:50 are you know still connected? 13:10:08 i know i played a few short games like that just to have a look at it, might well have exited one by closing the tab 13:10:16 not anymore 13:10:23 still the process is running 13:10:27 how did you "leave"? 13:10:45 just now, i did shift+x on the character selection screen 13:10:57 and it took me back to the login prompt 13:11:01 what browser? 13:11:08 chrome 13:11:40 weird 13:12:01 could you please do that again? 13:12:33 this time it worked 13:12:36 dooh.. 13:12:42 hm, strange 13:13:06 that time i got a message about "websockets closed" or something before it returned me to the login prompt 13:13:11 webtiles is unplayable! i need ASCII tiles! 13:13:12 didn't notice that before 13:13:29 that's a new message since yesterday 13:13:35 ah okay 13:14:16 ok, edlothiol has some fixed - let's install them first :) 13:17:19 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25:33 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:10 -!- ais523__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:30 -!- ais523_ has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:28:33 -!- ais523__ is now known as ais523_ 13:50:38 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:49 -!- gvdm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:10 -!- elly has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:35:49 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:17 -!- elly has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:20 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:48:53 Felid resting in Tiles is unusually slow (in terms of real time) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3918) by rriegs 14:54:12 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:55 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:22:05 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:25:23 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:26:22 -!- ophanim1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:03 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:32 -!- ophanim has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:56:16 -!- ophanim1 is now known as ophanim 15:59:29 sorry, galehar - updating webtiles 15:59:52 it's ok :) 16:01:28 -!- rax has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:02:12 Stable branch on tiles.crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.8.0-81-gd0d2c50 (32) 16:12:32 Napkin: Is it possible to edit options for webtiles? 16:12:46 03galehar * r4d2d95fe3b77 10/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc: Don't toggle autopickup when a safe monster turns invisible (#3917). 16:12:48 yes, edit your options for 0.8 in DGL 16:14:24 options are shared, but you can't play the same char on CDO and webtiles, right? 16:20:14 right 16:22:20 webtiles are back up 16:24:05 dooh.. do jellies spawn in lair1 now? 16:24:33 they shouldn't, although they've always been able to come down the stairs from the dungeon 16:24:34 they can come down the stairs from the dungeon sometimes 16:24:54 ate all of eifeltrampel's spell books 16:25:01 ouch 16:25:06 this is why one should stash in lair:2 16:25:10 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:25:15 and most other stuff too 16:25:18 this is why one shouldn't have concentrated stashes at all d: 16:25:36 no jellies can spawn on lair:2 (though the level can generate with a jelly room of some sort) 16:25:48 yeah, the usual "should"-shit 16:26:19 personally I think that one could eliminate weird stair spawns without any loss to crawl 16:26:24 generally your stashes should be safe 16:27:24 elliptic: yeah, it could just be replaced with vaults around those stairs 16:27:25