00:02:17 I really like the new ranged combat tactics of monsters. 00:08:09 -!- stabwound has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 00:08:58 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:49 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.9.0-a0-293-g96f00b8 (32) 00:20:30 Prerelease branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.8.0-rc1-2-g37c60fe (32) 00:22:17 03dolorous * rb39b71eb907e 10/crawl-ref/source/religion.cc: Document Okawaru's accepting kills of holy beings on the "^" screen. 00:22:47 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27:18 Windows builds of 0.8 branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.8.0-rc1-2-g37c60fe 00:42:43 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:14 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:12 moin moin 02:46:12 hmm, that rst2txt.py that you posted is quite broken, due 02:47:05 or python's basename is.. creating "/var/www/crawl" from /var/www/crawl.develz.org/htdocs/other/manual.txt 02:47:41 * Napkin spares the channel another "wtf" * 02:49:20 this is the result: http://crawl.develz.org/other/manual.txt 02:49:33 unfortunately unusable 03:03:16 hm 03:03:17 strange 03:03:30 well, i'm going back to using elinks now 03:03:41 and i fixed the "" problem in the html version 03:03:43 i thought that's what you were using before without issue? 03:04:13 no, i wanted to, but you were very insisting, that that should not be the method used ;) 03:04:53 ohh 03:05:22 well, i still think it's pointless to be convertnig a plaintext format into html and then back into text again :) 03:05:52 I really don't like the clubs symbol for trees. 03:06:06 thoguh I don't mind the paragraph/section symbol for clouds 03:06:12 i love those trees :) 03:06:38 and paragraph symbol is tough to get used to.. especially in swamp 03:07:02 http://crawl.develz.org/other/manual.html 03:07:06 I'm doing swamp right now ;) 03:07:10 http://crawl.develz.org/other/manual.txt 03:07:16 oh godkirkke 03:07:24 ruuuuunn! :D 03:08:01 well, hogs = kirke 03:08:09 !tell kilobyte http://crawl.develz.org/other/manual.html & http://crawl.develz.org/other/manual.txt, both updated daily, manually updated by update-manuals.sh 03:08:09 Napkin: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 03:08:12 he, html is THE exchange format to use when you don't want to use word :) 03:09:01 bhaak: RST is a plaintext format -- RST -> HTML -> TXT is like... OI'veno idea 03:09:23 due: exactly "plaintext format", not just "plaintext". :) 03:09:51 bhaak: Yes, but there's a docutils outtputter that just does plaintext as wwell as one that does html :) 03:09:52 html is lightweight enough and there are a bunch of HTML -> TXT converters around 03:10:07 it seems a waste to add an extra conversion step when the process already exists for it 03:10:48 * bhaak has even written one himself 03:11:14 but if it doesn't cut it for you, it might be easier to go the extra step. 03:12:01 but the problem is, that i can't find a docutils outtputter that just does plaintext 03:12:28 the one you linked is missing a lot of tags and i haven't found any other tool 03:18:30 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:19:16 hmm 03:19:17 weird 03:26:06 arg, damn meeting 03:32:46 due: do you happen to know what was used to produce the current manual we have in /docs/? 03:33:32 the version converted via HTML is ugly and wastes screen space 03:34:05 good enough, of course, but if something better is known to exist, it could be nice to know what 03:35:37 I don't remember... I'll check my logs 03:36:34 checking git logs, I see that most updates come from MarvinPA. Did you use rest or did you edit it by hand? 03:38:07 what's ugly and wasting screen about it, kilobyte? 03:41:47 large indentations, lists which make a bulk of the manual take 3 lines per entry rather than 1, sub-lists get turned into odd-looking tables 03:42:42 :D 03:43:49 is it checked in somewhere? and the html, too? 03:45:20 haha @ created PDF file: http://crawl.develz.org/other/manual.pdf 03:45:22 the old version is in ../docs/crawl_manual.txt 03:45:39 first page only has "Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup manual" ;) 03:49:36 not so bad for a generic lightweight markup output 03:51:02 rst output is lovely in a lot of instnaces 03:55:54 i think this is the first reportlab generated pdf I've seen. 03:56:39 bhaak: feh, reportlab is horrendous to be honest 03:57:18 due: to program or the output if you do something more complex? 03:57:26 bhaak: the latter 03:57:34 bhaak: i've heard libwkhtmltopdf is quite nice 03:58:14 Good morning! 03:58:17 hi kilobyte! 03:58:39 due: I've used that, made neat little pdfs. 03:58:42 i've used to use itext and i'm still surprised how some people in this company were able to output decent documents 03:59:16 ghallberg: libwk? 03:59:19 i've used reportllab. :/ 03:59:25 due: Yeah. 04:02:48 who else could possibly know how that text was produced? 04:03:06 kilobyte: i don't rmemeber actually creating a tool or anything, sorry 04:03:27 possibly dpeg or that silly badger... 04:03:41 not on IRC for years, though :( 04:03:44 intriguing. using webkit to render html and outputting that into a pdf. complex tools and several hierarchies of layers which is crazy enough to actually work 04:03:45 !seen b0rsuk 04:03:45 I last saw b0rsuk at Sun Nov 1 15:13:29 2009 UTC (about 1y 25w 1d 17h 50m 16s ago) parting without a message. 04:16:25 crap, it's not just "ugly but good enough" :( We need to follow the old syntax or otherwise you can't view the manual from inside the game. 04:25:11 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:28:33 the problem are the headers, kilobyte? 04:29:42 how does the in-game help browser work? it does read crawl_manual.txt, right? 04:31:14 yeah, and parses them somehow 04:31:19 s/them/it/ 04:31:24 !tell greensnark Sorta shoals splat. I wasn't paying enough attention. 04:31:26 due: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 04:32:20 !lg due place=Shoals -tv 04:32:21 2. bookofjude, XL18 LOBe, T:65953 requested for FooTV. 04:34:25 actually, the rest document looks nice than the current crawl_manual.txt 04:36:24 rest is missing the content list at the front, which can easily be switched to depth 1 04:36:41 kilobyte: I didn't realise there was a javelineer behind me. 04:36:49 and, there is an extra line of space after every sub header, which was done on purpose, i bet 04:39:13 with a bit of tweaking we should be able to fix it quickly quickly 04:39:22 -quickly 04:41:21 due: due to them being blue on blue? 04:46:28 kilobyte: nah, due to not paying attention 04:46:31 kilobyte: + berserk 05:11:51 moin 05:13:41 -!- effo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:15:29 Would it make sense to be able to assign thresholds to skills in the skill screen so that the practicing of the skill would be automatically on whenever the amount of experience in the pool reaches the threshold? One could practice stuff whenever there’s e.g. 50 points in the pool so that there’s always something for new skills. One could also set some less essential skills to be practiced only whenever there’s a lot of unused points. 05:20:54 no, since this would imply letting the xp pool live 05:25:24 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:06 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:10:50 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:57 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Stone Soup Development | Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. | Tentative 0.8 release date April 24th 06:21:56 Random crash on Linux using recent git pull (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3881) by elderman 06:35:11 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:50 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:56 Hi 06:52:51 moin dpeg 06:53:08 yay! All hail our Glorious Leader! 06:53:25 problem: no one seems to know how to get the text version of the manual 06:54:12 the last two people suspected of having a clue are you and b0rsuk 06:54:50 damn! 06:54:51 :) 06:55:12 Nap King tried converting reST -> HTML -> text, but that produces a different format than the tool which was previously used and which Crawl expects 06:55:14 let me write down something, I'll have a look at the rest manual 06:55:21 what is wrong with napkin's pdf? it looks good 06:55:43 casmith789: how exactly can you read a pdf? 06:55:48 less 06:55:49 using a pdf reader 06:55:59 and you can just copy/paste to text if you wish 06:56:03 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:56:12 I often use less for pdf files. 06:56:20 (I'll come up with a decisive answer to the question "Can we use the ReST file itself for the in-game manual.") 06:57:48 haha that pdf is a nice failure on openoffice 06:58:03 the problem right now is: what to do for the release. Keep looking for the converter (there must be one, since it was used to produce the current version, right)? Edit it into the old format by hand? Just ship what we have for 0.8.0? 07:00:18 wait ten minutes, writing some maths here 07:02:21 http://pastebin.com/3jp4nF0Z not perfect. sure someone can use some clever emacs or if you hate emacs vi to fix random linebreaks and remove page numbers. apart from that it seems fine, although I guess it should have more breaks between paragraphs 07:04:30 casmith789: there's no indentation, no formatting, no anything 07:04:41 yeah I know 07:04:47 if you want that use a pdf 07:05:00 I thought you wanted it in really simple format for some reason 07:05:43 well, plain text 07:06:15 plain text has no formatting...? 07:06:20 although not any random text but text that follows the format Crawl's help system expects -- and I don't know the details there 07:06:31 it has formatting, it has no silly tags 07:15:52 hm, just looking at the rest file 07:16:09 it's not perfect, but definitely good enough, imo 07:16:18 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:manual:rest 07:17:04 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:22 I don't mean the contents, I mean the format. 07:20:06 yes, so do I 07:20:30 some of the formatting is clumsy (web pages for examples) but it's only few and far in between 07:21:47 there are escapes and what not, that can be fixed by hand 07:22:08 not sure what is needed for the in-game browser 07:26:24 well, i can remove the page numbers, casmith789 07:26:54 the content at the beginning needs to be restricted to depth:1 instead of 5 (for in-game use) 07:27:54 the rest file looks good imo 07:27:56 the chapter detection may need to change from "---*\nChapter.\n---*" to "===*..." 07:28:01 Crawl parses the manual and expects a certain formatting, it relies on it to know what to highlight, know the sections and jumping to particular places 07:28:33 anyone willing to find out what exactly Crawl is looking for? 07:29:34 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:57 Napkin: some rest2txt script 07:30:11 no, not what I meant 07:30:19 I've seen enough perl in my life to know this must exist. 07:30:34 Napkin: ah, what else 07:30:35 ? 07:30:52 the rest file itself is already ok.. only 2 or 3 lines to get rid off 07:31:00 oh, ok 07:31:15 but crawl probably needs the table of content at the beginning 07:31:30 We could insert that by hand? 07:31:45 so, that's the question - does it? what exactly is crawl looking for to find? 07:32:31 also, for example: http://crawl.develz.org/other/manual.html <- depth2 table of content 07:32:32 I wonder if we can't just ship the present state, the text version has been updated a lot, being possibly more up to date than rest 07:32:48 urgh 07:32:58 then fix it in 0.8.1 together with whatever else crashes get found 07:32:59 some weeks ago, I went through the rest file and updated it 07:33:10 the idea is that nobody should ever edit the txt file :( 07:33:23 beh... so they diverged, beautiful 07:34:11 actually - very few changes to the crawl_manual.txt 07:34:43 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=history;f=crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.txt;h=0e4502a3be2b4878e439fc03348ea6885d70796b;hb=HEAD 07:35:21 no time to dive into that right no, sorry 07:35:22 MarvinPA's comment in dc09069a suggests he has some script for doing updates 07:35:32 additionally, this was clearly discussed and agreed upon, to use the rest document as base. I remember, because I argued against it ;) 07:36:02 maybe that's where the changes come from then 07:39:07 Napkin is always against progress :P 07:39:13 -!- Zaba_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:31 nah, i was afraid of diverging versions - and think that git is easier than wiki ;-P 07:39:41 Napkin: yes, I see your point, of course 07:40:02 but we did get some random typo editing from the wiki 07:40:19 Ja, that's why I stopped arguing ;) 07:40:33 -!- lorimer has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:35 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:40:56 -!- DrPraetor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:42:27 http://crawl.develz.org/other/manual.txt 07:42:30 first version 07:42:43 compared to http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob_plain;f=crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.txt;hb=HEAD 07:43:15 could someone try if crawl reads that? 07:43:29 maybe crawl is just looking at the table of content? 07:46:16 (what a sentence considering it's open-source...) 07:46:42 got it: sections are delimited by "------------------------------------------------------------------------" (exactly that number of dashes), then a line starting with an uppercase letter or a digit 07:46:54 ok 07:47:28 the letter/digit is important, since it it must match the table of contents, and internal code 07:48:08 there must be an empty line after every line of dashes that does not start a section, too, although this is not as important 07:48:31 done, http://crawl.develz.org/other/manual.txt 07:50:10 it has escapes (\), misplaced tables and markup like Commands`_ 07:50:10 -!- Guest58889 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:50:44 -!- Guest58889 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:48 how did you produce that file? Via a script or via elinks? 07:50:49 escapes removed 07:50:57 <3 07:51:05 i don't see commands`_ 07:51:10 line number? 07:51:23 (displayed as "\\" or as an actual arch) 07:51:31 -- at least one left 07:51:40 -!- st_ has quit [] 07:51:47 oh, forgot to copy 07:51:49 reload 07:52:10 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:53 `_ removed too 07:53:53 Napkin: do you use a script? 07:54:02 no, I am doing manual work 07:54:09 so this topic can finally end ;) 07:54:45 but, apart from the table of content, everything should be fixable with sed in a one-liner 07:55:16 i can't fix the misplaced tables though, because I don't understand how they are misplaced 07:56:08 Ctrl-F is an example 07:56:45 what do you mean? 07:56:46 no, I take that back 07:57:07 we can do that "sed one-liner" later, as part of the build 07:57:13 there are some ugly sub-headers with "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^" 07:57:25 but, apart from being ugly they are ok ;) 07:57:32 yes 07:58:02 centered all-caps headings looked better, but screw appearance for now 07:58:27 well, that should be changed in the original rest document 07:59:47 not really, you don't do such formatting before turning it into HTML 08:00:02 "content vs presentation" and all that junk 08:00:41 ja well, we'll make an exception 08:00:52 we're doing it because we want automated presentation 08:01:12 and adjusting the content to have a better automated presentation is acceptable :) 08:01:28 in your version the help browser works correctly, which is all that matters 08:01:36 if I may use "we" for once 08:01:48 awesome! next topic, please ;) 08:01:55 you rock! 08:03:20 can we ship a pdf with 0.8? 08:06:43 manual.pdf exists at the same place 08:06:57 bit weirdly formated, but usable 08:07:37 I think the previous manual was formatted for slightly less than 80 columns... 08:07:38 can't copy&paste at the moment 08:08:09 yes, as you say: the pdf isn't perfect but okay 08:08:11 (Which is strange, given that crawl needs 80, though it does look a bit nicer having margins... 08:08:15 it seems that whoever thought that rest is a good format for the manual didn't think that it will have to be converted into plain text at all 08:08:20 given that it's procedurally generated, it's okay 08:08:21 03kilobyte * r8dd12007ab0c 10/crawl-ref/ (README.txt docs/changelog.txt): Update the date in the changelog. 08:08:24 03kilobyte * r88c930bcb411 10/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.txt: Update the manual from reST. 08:08:45 outside in the sun with coffee & a smoke :P 08:09:15 Zaba_: seemed inconceivable there there wouldn't be a script that strips the formatting 08:09:22 Napkin: eek 08:09:32 I somehow thought that the procedure was planned at the same time the format was chosen 08:09:39 (admittedly I didn't pay much attention) 08:09:42 the rest is ok, just needs a few adjustments 08:10:30 *rest format 08:11:43 eek? ahh! 08:11:58 well, EVERY SINGLE release of software has plenty of fuckups like this 08:12:04 * jpt9 is currently manually centering and capitalizing the headings in his copy of the manual... want me to upload it somewhere? 08:12:17 so all goes according to the norm, don't worry :) 08:12:22 -!- Zaba_ is now known as Zaba 08:12:34 * dpeg is relieved :) 08:12:34 jpt9, edit it in the wiki, please 08:12:41 jpt9: anywhere will do 08:12:42 kilobyte :) 08:12:46 no centering in the wiki, please 08:12:53 capitalising is ok 08:12:55 (I'm editing the text output.) 08:13:00 yes 08:13:00 Napkin: no, "\U$1" works well 08:13:16 kilobyte, well, it'd be nice to automate this for subsequent releases 08:13:18 there is no TOC in the wiki document 08:13:53 that's the only part we have to hack 08:14:00 Zaba: of course! 08:14:19 and if the headings are ok and capitalized that should be easy 08:14:25 the TOC is hard-coded into Crawl itself 08:14:43 i thought crawl reads it? 08:15:23 *parses it 08:15:54 Napkin: yes, for jumping to some section, I think 08:16:00 it does, but only to know what to highlight and where the links lead 08:16:00 not sure if that'll work if the ToC is missing 08:16:05 ah 08:17:08 then.. let's softcode that in future 08:17:26 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:43 read, display, jump - doesn't sound too complicated 08:18:20 jpt9: did you prettify the headings? If you can toss that our way (pastebin or anything), I'll add that. 08:18:23 Are there additional libs I need to build the source now? I get compile errors for undefined functions out of libunix. Specifically get_wch, addnwstr, mvin_wch, add_wchnstr 08:18:36 kilobyte: Working on it. Just released I apparently fucked them all up... 08:18:37 Cryp71c: libncursesw-dev 08:18:47 jpt9: don't bother then 08:19:04 it's just a tiny detail that will not matter in 0.8.1 or 0.9 08:19:12 * jpt9 facepalms... 08:19:17 Forgot to convert tabs to spaces... 08:19:27 And I already overwrote what I was working on, figuring I'd have to start over. 08:19:31 * jpt9 shrugs. 08:19:32 libncursesw, Cryp71c 08:19:51 oops 08:20:05 we should detect lacking libs in the makefile and tell the user what is not present 08:20:19 sounds nightmarish 08:20:37 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:39 why? Compile tests can do that trivially. 08:20:49 kilobyte: Napkin, Synaptic already reports libncurses5-dev, libncurses5, and libncursesw5 are all installed. 08:20:51 gogogo 08:21:00 libncursesw5-dev is missing 08:21:07 ah, yep. 08:21:13 unicode 08:21:25 we should detect lacking libs in the makefile, and build them from our contribs directory 08:21:37 is ncurses in there? 08:21:39 (like we already do for everything else) 08:21:45 of course, looking for /usr/include/foobar.h is not the way -- it will break if ncurses is in /usr/local/include/ (BSD), /usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/ (Debian multiarch), and so on 08:21:45 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:17 doy: ncurses are too tied to the system, so are X libraries and so on 08:22:17 no ncurses in contribs yet 08:22:29 -!- Guest58889 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:58 ah, yeah, i guess they would need the termcap library and such anyway 08:23:36 you need to cut off at some point anyway 08:23:49 kernel in contribs! 08:23:55 Napkin: <3 08:24:38 Done. 08:24:44 http://tuttlj.stu.rpi.edu/crawl_manual.txt 08:24:55 (Centered and capitalised the headings.) 08:25:05 Someone should probably double-check it, but I did a quick run-through in crawl, and it seems to be able to read it fine.) 08:25:27 for contribs, I really feel like multiarchizing the way we build them. If we install them to contrib/install/i386-linux-gnu/ or contrib/install/i586-mingw32msvc/, there'd be no need to "make clean-contrib" after every single build 08:25:44 * jpt9 didn't do the sub-headings, though... 08:27:59 jpt9: don't worry, many thanks for the help! 08:28:24 Currently doing them right now... 08:30:12 uh oh, one last problem... no code name for the release :p 08:30:31 There. 08:30:45 The underlines for the subheadings are *just* below the text. 08:30:55 kilobyte: you can choose one of those Polish words with few vowels and many c,z,s sounds :) 08:30:56 (Same place as last time.) 08:30:57 Enjoy! 08:31:10 jpt9: Many thanks! 08:31:15 hehe, dpeg :D 08:31:15 (I'm a bit of an ebook geek, and will spend hours try to get a book to look right, so I'm glad to help with this!) 08:31:18 No problem! 08:31:21 that's Czech not Polish 08:31:41 oh come on, polish must have some nice ones too! 08:32:10 you might just as well go lolcatese :p 08:32:13 rgsz´n 08:32:18 "Rage cat is raging" 08:32:44 or some nice whitespace 08:32:46 Is there a particular naming scheme that's followed for release codenames? 08:33:10 actually, did we have any codenames before 0.7? 08:33:22 that's not the point! ;> 08:33:39 we had one for 0.6! 08:33:50 Oh yes! 08:34:01 Stone Soup 0.6.0: Heizölrückstoßabdämpfung 08:34:10 Stone Soup 0.7.0 “Pacific Pachyderm” 08:34:10 http://tuttlj.stu.rpi.edu/crawl_manual.txt 08:34:14 oops! 08:34:15 * jpt9 blinkblinks at the 0.6.0 name... 08:34:18 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/stone-soup-0-7-0-pacific-pachyderm 08:34:31 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/stone-soup-0-6-0-heizolruckstosabdampfung 08:35:09 What does it mean? 08:36:29 dpeg knows ;) 08:36:31 (Also, the subheadings are underlined with = instead of - like last time... I just left them like that.) 08:36:48 Didn't want to break anything, but it doesn't look like it breaks anything. 08:40:31 temp tagged it, building... I can re-tag before pushing, and tags don't go into source save for their name. 08:42:49 "Sigmund's new seafood"? (ok, octopodes are not in, but...) 08:43:30 who are the 0.8-new uniques? 08:43:40 Grinder! 08:44:23 bad name to rhyme on though ;) 08:44:36 !lg * killer=Grinder s=cv 08:44:36 1005 games for * (killer=Grinder): 692x 0.8-a, 157x 0.7, 154x 0.9-a, 2x 0.7-a 08:44:43 0.7 08:45:10 yeah, well.. but he's a new guy now 08:45:12 just got moved up for 0.8 iirc 08:53:02 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:59:41 * jpt9 is back. 09:00:54 (Just so you guys know, I have no clue how to submit stuff via Git, so if you do want to go with the manual edits I made, someone else'll probably have to do it.) 09:01:45 it's ok, and the train has departed 09:01:51 (uploading to SF takes ages...) 09:01:55 Ah. 09:02:46 So it'll probably be in 0.8.1 or something? 09:03:49 we'll see how many brown paper bugs pop up 09:03:55 Ah. 09:04:17 this time there probably was enough testing, I think 09:04:48 save for Mac which is utterly untested 09:05:36 * jpt9 has an iBook, but it's back in his dorm, and a bit late for testing... 09:06:00 * kilobyte casts Summon Greensnark. 09:10:40 -!- ortoslon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:40 -!- ortoslon has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:13:57 ortoslon1: as a Windows player, could you go to https://sourceforge.net/projects/crawl-ref/files/Stone%20Soup/0.8.0/ and check if I'm not completely on crack? 09:14:37 downloading 09:15:09 automated downloads from CDO are sane and known to work, for SF I am not so sure 09:15:19 (going home, brb) 09:16:27 03Cryp71c 07unified_combat_control * r809ea63fb877 10/crawl-ref/ (762 files in 52 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into unified_combat_control 09:16:32 hehehehe 09:16:37 762 files :P 09:21:36 kilobyte? there are files missing from it 09:21:55 missing from what? 09:22:09 from the packs he uploaded to SF 09:22:22 CREDITS.txt, LICENSE.txt, README.pdf & README.txt 09:22:52 !tell kilobyte runs fine. a nitpick: the window caption is "Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.8.0-0-g3a1e774" (shouldn't that be shorter for a stable release?) 09:22:52 ortoslon1: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 09:23:08 they need to be manually copied to the main folder 09:32:55 -!- eith_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:54 dpeg: new 0.8 uniques: Serpent of Hell (now actually a unique and cooler), Wiglaf (just renamed), Jory (very rare) 09:39:08 mennas is new to the regular game though and far more iconic... 09:39:31 yes, I agree 09:40:27 ??jory 09:40:27 jory[1/1]: Unique vampire who comes in a big vault and has brain feed. 09:42:25 oh, and the enchantress is new but just appears in one vault like jory (and in sprint) 09:42:47 but yeah, I'd say something mennas-related would be reasonable 09:42:57 Dungeon crawl 0.8: MDFi rises again 09:43:23 the Mennas of MDFi grows again 09:43:55 is it wrong that i visualize black dracs' breath attack as sneezing? 09:46:27 Mennas teaching manners :) 09:47:00 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: tomorrow] 09:49:19 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:34 i think SA settled on mennas to society 09:52:47 Quick question... is restart_after_game still experimental in 0.8, or is it safe to use? 09:53:19 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:42 awesome.. failed 8 times in a row to slow a hydra? are you reading this, bmh? 09:54:23 hydras have reasonably high mr 09:54:38 @??hydra 09:54:39 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:54:39 hydra (09D) | Speed: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | Health: 51-88 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Damage: 18 per head | Flags: amphibious, regen | Res: 06magic(52), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: clean/none/unknown | XP: 1212. 09:54:50 for that point in the game anyway 09:54:57 yeah yeah 09:55:23 everything perfectly fine 09:56:01 like hitting 25 times in a row with a +5,+3 short sword of electrocution with eletrocuting once 09:56:08 all, just perfectly fine 09:56:20 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.8 * rfeb28398fe48 10/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.txt: Update the manual from reST. 09:56:21 can happen in 0,2% of cases 09:56:27 o/ 09:56:27 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.8 * r799c22f7c184 10/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.pdf: Add the PDF manual (Napkin) 09:56:28 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.8 * r3a1e77467d77 10/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.txt: Center the headings in the manual (jpt9) 09:56:29 03dolorous 07stone_soup-0.8 * rdbde940682db 10/crawl-ref/source/religion.cc: Document Okawaru's accepting kills of holy beings on the "^" screen. 09:56:30 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.8 * r3bd09a4fa9a2 10/crawl-ref/ (README.txt docs/changelog.txt): Update the date in the changelog. 09:56:45 *without 10:00:37 -!- eith_ is now known as eith 10:00:50 since i seem to be the only one to read all bad_ideas, i think of maintaining a list of those that don't suck. thoughts? 10:01:02 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:24 ortoslon1: I've read the entire list in the past 10:01:27 although it's probably got larger since 10:01:31 and "don't suck" is objective 10:01:44 also, do you mean "ideas that are amusing", or "ideas that are plausible to actually implement"? 10:01:50 amusing 10:02:17 okay, s/don't suck/i like/ 10:08:02 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:14:13 started the filtering 10:14:50 where were you planning on locating this list? 10:14:59 google docs 10:15:44 the existence of such a list might help the movement to delete bad_ideas from learndb ;) 10:15:56 not on a wiki because i don't want to share the control with anyone else 10:19:16 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:19:29 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:58 elliptic: argh politics! ugh responsibility! 10:21:37 yes, I didn't mean to suggest that you should share control of your own list of the best bad_ideas with anyone 10:22:21 just that we could replace the whole entry with a link to your list 10:22:49 then no others could be added 10:22:55 as someone who'd written hundreds of bad_ideas, i'd miss that list 10:23:17 err, that entry 10:23:32 the only real issue with it existing is that it messes up the learndb html page 10:23:51 What's the point of the entry anyway? 10:23:53 so another option would be to hack that page to make it not display there 10:24:30 the latter, please 10:38:18 03kilobyte 07stone_soup-0.8 * r574be460a34f 10/crawl-ref/source/util/gen_ver.pl: Don't show hashes in versions that fit an exact tag. 10:49:07 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:12 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 10:54:24 just to clarify from earlier: i'd noticed that crawl_manual.txt had been updated a number of times on git and was now out of sync with the wiki version, so i updated both versions by hand to get them in sync again 10:55:21 and then i made a few more changes to the manual where i updated both the wiki and the git version by hand, until it was explained just to update the wiki one and leave the git version alone :P 10:55:47 filtering: 13% 11:17:02 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:24:58 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:06 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:24 kilobyte, so, is 0.8 officially released now? 11:36:34 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:57:57 nope - no post yet, neither wordpress nor newsgroup, Zaba 12:06:23 03MarvinPA * rcc2681618618 10/crawl-ref/source/godwrath.cc: Don't let Jiyva wrath summon giant spores 12:06:34 03MarvinPA * r76a1692e2d84 10/crawl-ref/source/godwrath.cc: Make Jiyva wrath's forced transformations uncancellable 12:09:11 -!- MadCoyote has quit [Quit: Don't talk to me, I'm on my popcorn break] 12:13:30 -!- MadCoyote has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:10 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:59 -!- ophanim is now known as ophninomicon 13:03:58 -!- Finn has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:30 -!- MadCoyote has quit [*.net *.split] 13:09:18 -!- lucy_f has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:33 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:43 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49:10 hrm, no idea how to make SF show anything but 0.7.1 as the latest release 13:51:31 * jpt9 has no clue either. 13:54:37 doesn't really matter 13:54:52 we deep-link to the files anyways 13:56:28 kilobyte: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/ticket/18555 13:56:54 Not sure if that's *exactly* what you're looking for, but it should help point in the right direction. 13:57:22 (Needless to say, keywords like "sourceforge latest release" don't work particularly well on Google, as most of the results are for software hosted on SF.) 13:59:23 It worked. 13:59:42 great, thanks! 13:59:46 No problem. 13:59:54 It is a bit tricky to Google. 14:00:01 (Or rather, to Google how to do *that*...) 14:00:16 And it doesn't seem to be in the SF documentation on the file manager... 14:00:30 (Then again, I'm not logged in or part of any projects, so there might be stuff I'm missing.) 14:02:37 there aren't any hints that you set that after clicking on that 'i' icon now 14:02:54 Ah. 14:02:57 it's a new change, too... they used to point to the newest release automatically 14:03:03 Weird. 14:03:41 I know there are some projects that have multiple folders, and not all of the code is a complete program (they sometimes have libraries, etc), so I can see how doing it automatically might backfire. 14:04:00 But if they're going to change it, at least put a message somewhere explaining how to do it by hand. 14:05:20 right 14:06:03 And I died again. 14:06:10 * jpt9 really needs to stop trying to steamroll stuff... 14:06:29 3138 bad_ideas condensed to a list of 249, v1.0 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d7bFe79vDsk4iGfA0wZZn2IjIA60yo6KAhlIQ4Dq4-U/edit?hl=en 14:06:39 wrong link 14:07:06 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d7bFe79vDsk4iGfA0wZZn2IjIA60yo6KAhlIQ4Dq4-U 14:07:45 dawn, still wrong link 14:10:02 looks like google docs can't just publish the doc without the interface on top 14:10:13 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:17 Yeah. 14:10:25 Probably should just export to HTML and post it somewhere. 14:17:02 i'll do that. here's a temp link for now http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2781010/cherrypicked%20bad_ideas.txt 14:19:08 * jpt9 grins at "1/27 chance of reaching the orb chamber and finding a talking fungus. "Thank you, *playername*. But our Orb is in another dungeon." 14:19:50 <3 14:20:08 Grawr, I can't find the code that makes you automatically pick up butchering tools if you don't have one... 14:20:33 ghallberg: it was in the default lua config, once upon a time 14:20:37 not sure if it's still there or not 14:20:53 doy: hmm ok 14:20:57 <3 Benny Hill theme when pillar dancing 14:21:09 * jpt9 giggles... "Felids start with a humanoid pet." 14:21:18 Reminds me of a certain bit on Family Guy. 14:23:29 -!- lorimer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:27:13 no "cat race that has nine lives"? Meh... 14:27:38 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:28:42 jpt9: reading through bad_ideas again? 14:28:46 ??bad_ideas[1] 14:28:46 Uhm, so... Why did ogres start with a knife by default when noone else did? 14:28:47 bad ideas[1/3138]: To read this whole list, visit http://crawl.akrasiac.org/learndb.html#bad_ideas. 14:28:48 -!- lorimer has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:52 there we go 14:29:10 I wonder why that's there, given that it's a /good/ idea? 14:29:20 not so temporary link https://sites.google.com/site/cherrypickedbadideas/ 14:29:36 deb http://crawl.develz.org/debian lenny 0.8 14:29:38 okay tell me about the history of bad_ideas 14:29:48 just need to post the public key somewhere 14:29:49 it started like a list of often suggested ideas, right? 14:30:03 * jpt9 still need to manage to update DCSS on his OLPC... 14:30:09 amd64 and i386, will try to get at least armel 14:30:54 building against lenny's libraries should include most if not all supported versions of Debian derivatives 14:31:26 some of those options even on the cherry-picked link are already implemented 14:31:50 like the ironic gifts thing (there's code to make Xom do that), or the video compilation of Sigmund deaths (it's on YouTube somewhere, although doesn't cover every combo) 14:32:23 why, the bad_idea about sigmund porn was written by me, as was the youtube video 14:32:51 i selected for hilarity, not badness 14:32:53 ah, I see 14:33:22 hyperbolic (L14 OgHe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1039 failed. (D:19) 14:34:48 !lm hyperbolic type=crash x=cv 14:34:49 6. [2011-04-26] [cv=0.8-a] hyperbolic the Faith Healer (L14 OgHe) ASSERT(smc) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1039 failed on turn 25072. (D:19) 14:34:59 !lm hyperbolic type=crash -log 14:34:59 6. hyperbolic, XL14 OgHe, T:25072 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.8/hyperbolic/crash-hyperbolic-20110426-193318.txt 14:36:33 yay, a crash that for sure is in the final version too 14:37:30 I'll pretend the version is immaculate and that crash was an evil lie 14:37:50 do you know what caused that crash? I'll try to avoid repeating it if possible :P 14:38:15 Napkin: where does that -a in cv=0.8-a come from? Is it taken from a tag or set by hand? 14:38:40 elliptic: no idea but it doesn't match any of fixes that I recently cherry-picked 14:38:48 pardon, kilobyte? 14:39:03 congratulation to the new release! 14:39:31 Napkin: I mean, if we updated 0.8, would the logfile get it without the -a in the version? 14:39:34 are you talking to me? 14:39:47 logfile... uhm 14:40:00 what I mean is: 14:40:02 ah, yes 14:40:06 !lg * s=cv 14:40:07 1006419 games for *: 227790x 0.5, 175970x 0.7, 144565x 0.4, 105388x 0.6, 100473x 0.8-a, 84396x 0.3, 42390x 0.2, 37709x 0.6-a, 36719x 0.7-a, 17864x 0.1, 13400x 0.5-a, 10523x 0.9-a, 9231x 0.4-a, 1x 14:40:13 of course, it's defined somewhere in the source 14:40:23 that's not what cv in the logfile says 14:40:35 it should be "0.8" not "0.8-a" now 14:40:58 there is no field "cv" 14:41:05 that's a made up value by sequel 14:41:13 logfile says "v=0.9.0-a0" 14:41:27 in 0.8.0 builds? 14:41:41 in that format 14:41:46 ah, so it probably comes from the tag, cool 14:42:15 greensnark declares what is considered a "stable" score and what's considered a "dev version" score with that 14:42:44 we need him for the Fruit builds anyway 14:42:46 and i believe ever n.n.n is stable, and every n.n.n-xyz is considered unstable 14:42:48 pretty sure the crash is playing a healer. no-one's done that for the whole of .8 so it wasn't discovered 14:42:57 casmith789: :p 14:43:38 i did.. and won! 14:43:48 * kilobyte claps. 14:44:10 don't clap.. 5 wins in 5 years :-$ 14:44:45 care to press the update-cdo-0.8.sh button? 14:45:04 https://sites.google.com/site/cherrypickedbadideas/ added a short intro 14:45:08 that will install stable, ja? 14:45:29 i'm kinda caught at the moment 14:45:32 I hope so 14:45:46 do you mean, busy or confused? 14:46:39 busy 14:46:56 and too much needs to be changed 14:47:02 you tagged 0.8 stable? 14:47:41 yup 14:47:46 awesome! :) 14:47:56 maybe in an hour 14:48:23 I'll recompile, if shit happens I'll just come to you crying 14:48:43 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:35 So much to recompile! What did I change? >.< 14:50:04 Hohum, now that I've removed knives from the game, will there be more loot of other kinds? :D 14:50:30 mmm more animal skins 14:50:37 Prerelease branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.8.0-1-g574be46 (32) 14:50:43 Yes, "awesome" 14:52:38 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:21 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:55:45 -!- ortoslon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:57:26 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:52 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:59 !learn edit bad_ideas[1] s/$/ To read ortoslon's selection of ~250 favorites, visit https:\/\/sites.google.com\/site\/cherrypickedbadideas\// 15:01:02 bad ideas[1/3137]: To read this whole list, visit http://crawl.akrasiac.org/learndb.html#bad_ideas. To read ortoslon's selection of ~250 favorites, visit https:\/\/sites.google.com\/site\/cherrypickedbadideas\/ 15:01:14 fff 15:01:53 !learn edit bad_ideas[1] s/To read ortoslon .*$/To read ortoslon's selection of ~250 favorites, visit https://sites.google.com/site/cherrypickedbadideas// 15:01:53 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/REGEX/REPLACE/opts 15:01:56 use some other symbol, like | 15:02:07 s|foo|bar| 15:02:11 !learn edit bad_ideas[1] s|To read ortoslon .*$|To read ortoslon's selection of ~250 favorites, visit https://sites.google.com/site/cherrypickedbadideas/| 15:02:11 No change because the regex failed to match. 15:02:13 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:13 -!- bmh has quit [Changing host] 15:02:13 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:18 !learn edit bad_ideas[1] s|To read ortoslon.*$|To read ortoslon's selection of ~250 favorites, visit https://sites.google.com/site/cherrypickedbadideas/| 15:02:19 bad ideas[1/3137]: To read this whole list, visit http://crawl.akrasiac.org/learndb.html#bad_ideas. To read ortoslon's selection of ~250 favorites, visit https://sites.google.com/site/cherrypickedbadideas/ 15:03:32 ortoslon: The axe of distortion is pretty funny 15:05:38 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:10 -!- ophninomicon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:09:50 Mummy autoexploration in the labyrinth isn't that stupid. 15:12:02 why mummy and why not everything 15:12:12 and what's with maprot in labs 15:12:26 casmith789: because they can't starve 15:12:32 nor can anything else 15:12:42 zing 15:12:49 !lg * place=lab s=ktyp cv>=0.7 15:12:49 176 games for * (place=lab cv>=0.7): 149x mon, 8x starvation, 7x quitting, 5x beam, 2x trap, 1x stupidity, 1x disintegration, 1x wild magic, 1x targeting, 1x self aimed 15:13:12 !lg * place=lab ktyp=starvation s=char 15:13:13 21 games for * (place=lab ktyp=starvation): 3x TrBe, 2x MfIE, 2x SpEn, 1x MDPa, 1x KoBe, 1x MDFi, 1x HOFi, 1x MiBe, 1x MDBe, 1x DECj, 1x HOPr, 1x HERe, 1x DSAs, 1x DEWz, 1x CeEE, 1x SEAE, 1x MfCr 15:13:32 how did two people manage to get a spriggan to starve 15:13:37 that's ridiculous 15:14:02 !lg * ktyp=starvation lvl>20 15:14:03 10. simonj the Destroyer (L26 NaVM), worshipper of Cheibriados, starved to death in Pandemonium on 2011-02-25, with 482179 points after 130579 turns and 17:54:27. 15:14:06 !lg * place=lab ktyp=starvation s=char cv>=0.7 15:14:07 8 games for * (place=lab ktyp=starvation cv>=0.7): 1x HOPr, 1x HERe, 1x DSAs, 1x DEWz, 1x TrBe, 1x MfCr, 1x MfIE, 1x SEAE 15:14:14 oh, those were older games 15:14:14 only 4 in .8 15:14:24 wait.. a Chei worshipper starved to death? 15:14:35 chei doesn't make it any less likely you will starve 15:14:42 how do you starve to death in pan 15:14:49 there is a ridiculous amount of food in pan 15:14:49 in fact it makes it more likely, you have to use higher level spells to survive 15:15:13 there is a difference of 1 food ration in a labyrinth max, so you shouldn't starve there anyway 15:15:17 https://twitter.com/#!/sigmund <- we need to convince this guy to give us his twitter account 15:15:33 !lg * ktyp=starvation place=lab race=sp s=v 15:15:33 2 games for * (ktyp=starvation place=lab race=sp): 1x 0.4.5, 1x 0.5-a 15:15:49 but seriously I don't see why there is no autoexplore and there is maprot in labs. Both are interface screws 15:16:09 casmith789: there's maprot because the level shifts around 15:16:15 that isn't a valid reason 15:16:19 I know. 15:16:26 it shifts slowly and in other areas the map remains the same 15:16:38 eg boring beetles, dropping weapons near monsters then running away 15:17:26 casmith789: because it doesn't really matter, and because if we fixed those, we might as well remove labs entirely 15:17:42 it does matter and I agree with your second point :P 15:17:49 lab would reduce to "Can you kill a minotaur?" 15:17:59 (that's what it is at the moment) 15:18:01 no, it really doesn't matter 15:18:30 will have to just program a left hand on wall bot then 15:18:50 and intercrawl which remembers the level 15:18:59 have fun 15:19:08 thanks :) 15:19:29 !lg * place=lab s=lvl 15:19:29 371 games for * (place=lab): 49x 3, 48x 4, 42x 1, 34x 2, 28x 12, 28x 5, 27x 10, 26x 13, 22x 6, 14x 14, 13x 7, 10x 8, 9x 15, 7x 11, 5x 16, 2x 17, 2x 18, 2x 20, 1x 25, 1x 21, 1x 23 15:20:02 wow. Someone was bold enough to go into lab at level 3? and someone else was clumsy enough to die at level 25? 15:20:24 no 15:20:30 !lg * place=lab s=xl 15:20:30 371 games for * (place=lab): 148x 11, 77x 12, 73x 10, 27x 13, 11x 14, 11x 9, 7x 15, 5x 17, 4x 16, 2x 8, 2x 18, 1x 7, 1x 1, 1x 20, 1x 19 15:20:34 ah! 15:20:42 much better 15:20:53 the level 1 must have been an iron robin 15:21:22 hmm, now that i think about, kilobyte 15:21:39 people started out their game in 0.8-a and can end it in 0.8 15:21:54 but ok, could be worse 15:24:33 -!- lucy_f has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:25:14 bmh: https://twitter.com/kissmyscythe is free 15:25:23 ha 15:29:51 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:32:17 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 15:36:38 /home/services/crawl/bin/update-mingw-tiles-0.8.sh: line 16: cd: source/mingw32/crawl: No such file or directory 15:42:59 could someone with a crawl wiki acc link to https://sites.google.com/site/cherrypickedbadideas/ at http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Websites ? i don't want to register just for one edit 16:02:27 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:35 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:15 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:50 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:57 -!- OG17 has quit [] 16:50:30 -!- Finn is now known as MadCoyote 16:52:26 did that error message really stop you, kilobyte? 16:53:47 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:53 -!- bmh has quit [Changing host] 16:53:53 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:37 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:04 -!- bmh has quit [Client Quit] 17:00:25 -!- valrus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:47 Trunk page back to trunk 17:08:28 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9.0-a0-298-gcc26816 17:10:39 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.9.0-a0-298-gcc26816 (32) 17:11:09 gcc 2.6...! 17:56:09 Git does it make it "interesting" to try to refer to GCC in branch names. 17:59:29 g? Sounds like an odd hex digit. 18:14:48 It's not a hex digit :) 18:29:57 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:17 Zao: actually, g would be an even hex digit :P 18:31:42 Wensley: Even odder :) 18:32:46 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:08 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:35:46 Zao: "0.9.0-a0-298-g" is a commitish identifier, cc26816 is the actual commitid. 19:00:01 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:06 bug report: after playing robotfindskitten, CAO assumes I was playing EroCrawl 19:22:31 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:28:18 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:31:04 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:58 Wensley: That's dLG and nothing to do with us. Poke greensnark :) 19:37:07 Wensley: or paxed -- perhaps. 19:37:43 it's okay, it stopped doing it after the first time. I'd hate to bother them over something so trivial :) 20:06:25 wand charges revealed on recognized items screen (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3882) by theropod 21:30:24 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:41:45 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:46:38 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 22:34:39 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:42:37 -!- DrPraetor has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:43 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving]