00:05:24 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.8.0-a0-6186-ge6cfca1 (32) 00:28:52 -!- Pseudonut has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:17 -!- jld has quit [Quit: Bees.] 00:36:17 -!- jld has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:47 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:11 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:41 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:12:00 -!- Twilight has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:26 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest67411 01:12:44 -!- Twilight13 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:20:46 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:29 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756]] 02:57:13 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:30 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:31 Ending levitation while in spider form allows drowning next to a wall. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3713) by Svankensen 03:24:46 moin 03:24:46 Zaba: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:24:50 !messages 03:24:50 (1/1) kilobyte said (8h 51m 58s ago): there's an ugly hack to force stone in Zot to masquerade as rock: a number of places are hard-coded to look for player_in_branch(BRANCH_HALL_OF_ZOT) to do so. I'd clear it but I wonder what we _want_ stone in Zot to look like. 03:25:09 kilobyte, I don't see why stone should behave in a special way in zot 03:26:12 kilobyte, if a vault wants non-diggable stuff that looks like rock, it can use permarock 03:26:21 but if a vault wants stone, I think it should look like normal stone 03:26:36 what handle does William use on here? 03:31:40 William who? 03:34:27 Tanksley 03:49:52 I don't think William uses IRC? 03:54:33 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:20:12 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:21 -!- ortoslon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:42:30 Shock the Thaumaturge (L12 HECj) (D:13) 05:35:27 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:46:23 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:50:15 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 05:50:16 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 05:59:04 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:00:04 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:05 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 06:30:53 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:31:19 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 06:31:19 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 06:51:44 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:51:50 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 06:51:50 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 07:02:46 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:19 I think I've built a RNG that would be appropriate for crawl to use. I'm just running some thorough tests on it now. 07:07:00 randart spellbook in shop has description of a manual (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3714) by mikee 07:07:31 Running TestU01's BigCrush is apparently very time consuming. 07:14:56 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:40 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:34 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:51 Hi 07:24:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:44:46 03galehar * reffd6b68ab1c 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-behv.cc: Don't cancel monster travelling when player goes out of LoS. 07:49:30 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:55 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:16:45 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:19 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 09:17:42 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 09:38:38 do people change their player's glyph? Like Ragdoll, MuBe, running around as M 09:38:52 or is that an optional automatic feature or something? 09:39:00 there's an option that automatically changes the player glyph to whatever your current race is 09:39:08 show_player_species = true does it 09:39:13 oh cool 09:39:54 pity, that if you have a modified config you almost never get info about that 09:42:28 is there a way to "subscribe" to changes done to a specific file, so i'd get emails about that? 09:45:52 hmmm: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=atom;f=crawl-ref/settings 09:50:44 "auto_exclude = oklob plant,statue,curse skull,roxanne, hyperactive" :-O 09:50:57 there are hyperactive monsters? 09:52:34 hyperactive ballistomycetes 09:52:41 not sure what they do 09:52:48 they're a fedhas thing, and they explode :P 10:00:36 not sure why anyone would want to auto_exclude them though... 10:01:44 ah 10:03:32 hmm.. I enabled this show_player_species 10:03:51 now my K for Kobold is inverted in yellow 10:05:09 oh.. I must have made a mistake.. the normal @ is inverted too now 10:05:13 because of the player cursor? 10:05:22 probably 10:05:28 what setting was that again? :-$ 10:07:00 thanks, upsy 10:07:32 not sure 10:07:39 found it 10:08:18 i got confused by it once 10:08:48 because of use_fake_player_cursor and use_fake_cursor 10:09:50 I used meld to merge the configs and deleted use_fake_player_cursor by mistake 10:09:56 ah 10:10:07 (my config and the current default config) 10:10:12 i like having the fake cursor off, but i don't like the flickering that causes, so i left it on in the end 10:10:47 oh? it flickers? 10:11:36 it does on some settings 10:12:08 likely also depends on the terminal 10:12:12 i have both gake cursors off 10:12:15 *fake 10:12:26 and use putty's underline cursor 10:12:32 and yes depends on terminal 10:12:55 putty is nice in linux too 10:12:59 when i have both off, the cursor blinks when i move or act 10:13:31 hmm, i don't really see that 10:13:45 at least with the underline cursor it doesn't show (much) 10:20:52 -!- Guest67411 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:21:05 -!- Guest67411 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:05 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:43:17 omg! this is sooooo wrong! 10:43:23 it has to be an @! 10:51:51 Napkin: even within CP437 (cset_ibm), a lot of roguelikes and pseudo-roguelikes use either ☺ or ☻ 10:52:00 but yeah, @ is traditional 10:52:15 and since I use it, it must be the right thing :p 10:52:21 what? they use smilies?! 10:52:23 outrages! 10:53:14 even rogue for DOS 10:56:31 dwarves in DF are smilies, except when they are not affiliated with your fort 10:58:59 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:59 -!- bmh has quit [Changing host] 10:58:59 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:54 heresy! Dwarves not on 'q'... 11:03:41 the fun thing is, people who fought like lions against 'q' would now complain if we alter that... such is the power of inertia 11:03:46 hm, does unicode have a variety of smilies with different emotions? 11:04:09 probably, it has a lot 11:04:41 then one could use an appropriate one for the player glyph depending on health, doom-style :P 11:05:25 kilobyte: I put together a generator that's 1) robust, 2) faster than MT-SHA256, 3) should be resistant to many attacks. I want to play around with it more to see if I can beat standard MT. 11:05:26 i still prefer v, but there's worse out there than q 11:05:41 i still prefer g 11:06:05 dwarves on w 11:06:12 [w]orms and other tunneling creatures 11:10:47 Zaba: it had a number, but once a bunch of Japanese companies pushed for inclusion of their emoticons in Unicode 6.0 it went overboard into the land of ridiculousness 11:11:05 kilobyte, wtf 11:11:33 for anyone who cares about using fonts for, you know, letters, it's sick. But for roguelike games, it can be actually nifty. 11:11:42 but yeah, I sometimes get an impression that unicode is full of irrelevant crap. Maybe that isn't as unfounded as I would like it to be. 11:11:44 did someone say unicode? http://unicodesnowmanforyou.com/ 11:11:52 Zaba: well, 'full of' is relative 11:11:57 http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/Unicode-6.0/U60-1F600.pdf 11:12:17 unicode has a lot of irrelevant crap but it's ginormous so as a percent not so much 11:12:54 there's too much politics in it 11:13:12 and some decisions are arbitrary 11:14:34 (U+1F60B) FACE SAVOURING DELICIOUS FOOD 11:14:38 cool 11:14:44 also bizarre 11:14:58 like, there are some scripts which are not only not decoded but even not certain to be languages rather than just a bunch of ornaments... on the other hand, there are scripts which have some use among maniacs (Tengwar, Cirth, ...) but are not encoded 11:15:10 aw, i don't have it 11:15:43 kilobyte: well, just because they're not languages doesn't mean they don't belong in a font - the characters may still be used in e.g. academic writing 11:15:48 you might call them artificial, but so are fringe attempts at a "world" language from 1860 and so 11:16:59 common symbols do belong... but including hammer and sickle but not swastika or cross but not pentagram is biased 11:18:53 there are swastikas in unicode, just not in the symbol section 11:19:01 Mu_: http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/Symbola602.zip -- on Linux, put the .otf file into /usr/local/share/fonts/, on Windows Control Panel|Fonts (hidden deeper in 7...), drag it into that pseudo-directory 11:19:29 pentagram, i dunno... bu they do have an atom symbol! 11:19:39 Eronarn: there is a similar Chinese symbol that somewhat resembles the general shape 11:19:46 and oddly enough, in the US military 11:20:04 you can get a marker on your gravestone that is based on your religion 11:20:12 the atheism one is an atom symbol with an A inside of it :P 11:20:30 there should be two pentagrams: the classical (Pythagorean/Satanist) one and upward-pointed ("white magic", Wiccan) -- the latter is often called "pentacle" 11:21:13 Sigil of Baphomet might be worth including, too 11:21:19 http://objectiveministries.org/gametheory/american_atheists_logo.png <-- this thing 11:21:31 which i think is ugly as hell, but at least it's better than not having an option 11:21:52 needs a unicursal hexagram glyph imo 11:21:57 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:01 nothing can beat important symbols like 💩 x1F4A9 (pile of shit) or 🐈 x1F408 (kitten) 11:26:12 they both spill onto the next character in my terminal, but if I can't find a better font, it is tempting to fire up fontforge and beat it into a fixed-pitch shape 11:28:17 i wonder what vietnam uses the cat symbol for 11:29:04 hypermikee the Sorcerer (L24 DENe) ASSERT(booktype >= 0 && booktype <= MAX_FIXED_BOOK) in 'spl-book.cc' at line 461 failed on turn 85471. (Lair:1) 11:29:15 restaurant? *duck* 11:29:34 i was hoping not :( 11:31:35 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:04 some of the other animals are used for menus though according to this list, like the cow one 11:44:35 03kilobyte * r3786674f8fa4 10/crawl-ref/source/viewchar.cc: Alter clouds in old cset_unicode to ??. 11:44:45 03kilobyte * r1d80154027d8 10/crawl-ref/source/viewchar.cc: Revert the explosion animation from ?? to #. 11:44:46 03kilobyte * rb67afa076ef7 10/crawl-ref/source/xom.cc: When Xom lifesaves you, clear stat_zero penalty. 11:50:07 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:29 ?? ? is my unicode screwed up, or is that CIA not doing it right 11:58:29 I don't have a page labeled _is_my_unicode_screwed_up_or_is_that_cia_not_doing_it_right in my learndb. 12:01:53 would it be possible to choose the monster you previous targeted with a melee attack as target for the next spell? 12:02:12 *next spell or fired weapon 12:07:03 Eronarn: i think CIA doesn't do unicode 12:07:31 why is there more than one CIA anyway 12:08:29 could also be the email sent by the git hook 12:08:39 not properly encoded, maybe 12:08:46 there is only one CIA bot in here, upsy 12:08:59 Napkin: that'd be kind of neat, to have that all be unified... i'd suggest it :) 12:09:10 in ##crawl it is CIA-83, that is 12:09:35 ah, oh well.. no idea how their service works 12:10:50 cia has a lot of bots, because one bot doing all the messaging would either flood off or have to lag 12:11:10 ah, so it's a service 12:11:20 never thought of that, somehow 12:11:33 it's not a service in the irc sense of that word, though 12:12:07 hey, gitweb shows them correctly.. that's nice 12:12:40 http://cia.vc/ oh, cool 12:18:46 ok, added myself as additional recipient.. someone commit something - preferably with unicode char in the commit message - please ;) 12:33:53 Napking! 12:34:04 heeeey, greensnarking :D 12:34:09 wazzzzup? 12:34:18 How's the weather treating you? :) 12:36:08 Good, good :) 12:36:41 Sunny day, 12C, toasty warm :P 12:36:59 hehe 12:38:30 then you win again! damn rainy here today ;) 12:38:41 Clouds are far too abusable (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3715) by casmith789 12:42:42 03MarvinPA * rde8d8cc4d8d0 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/gods.txt: Remove references to gender from Ashenzari's description 12:46:23 -!- Jordan7hm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:07 anyone know what the deal is with the enum.h / mon-mst.h stuff 13:08:14 oh, nevermind, i see 13:13:52 hmm, getting errors in libunix.cc 13:15:27 Perhaps you're missing lincursesw-dev 13:15:34 *lib 13:17:00 ah hah, so i don't 13:24:30 greensnark: hmm, it's still giving the errors - do I have to do anything to get it to recognize the new lib? 13:33:48 Eronarn: Maybe pastebin the errors, hard to diagnose without the error 13:35:15 it's just "error: ‘get_wch’ was not declared in this scope" stuff for what i assume are the w versions of functions, what with being functions with w in the name 13:35:41 hrm, do you have any idea how to 1. select the needed curses library without hardcoding (the current library uses blindly one path for Mac and one for the rest), 2. give user-friendly error messages? 13:35:47 something like: 13:35:50 AC_ARG_LIB(ssl, gnutls, GNUTLS, gnutls/gnutls.h, gnutls, gnutls_global_init, [ 13:35:53 Please install gnutls and its headers. On most systems, the package will be named 13:35:56 libgnutls-dev or gnutls-dev. 13:35:58 Debian/Ubuntu: apt-get install libgnutls-dev 13:36:01 BSD: cd /usr/ports/security/gnutls && make install 13:36:04 ]) 13:37:48 our current makefile fails badly if you have it in /usr/local/, it's a Mac-like version that has wide char functions in the base, and gives people problems like what Eronarn just saw 13:37:58 and not just ncurses, it's for all libraries 13:38:28 hmm, well, i just installed it through ubuntu's apt gui 13:38:46 so if it placed it somewhere that doesn't work, that's kind of bad :P 13:47:50 greensnark: I (briefly) checked it on my hackintosh, seems to work... but it would be nice if you could update trunk builds so we get bug reports soon enough 13:56:38 kilobyte: still at work finding a RNG for crawl. I think I'm on to something that should resist anything short of dedicated cryptanalysis and has no performance penalty over Mersenne Twister 13:57:06 The battery of tests should take about an hour 14:00:20 kilobyte: I had to retire the desktop I was using for Mac builds and my laptop currently doesn't have anything older than 10.6 SDK, so I'm not well placed for Mac builds atm 14:01:23 bmh: we could use something that can resist cryptanalysis... just plain AES is considered secure even with all the attempts to break it, so it's definitely good enough. And it's fast. 14:01:38 greensnark: There's an old 6100/66 in my parent's attic, I could phone them up and ask them to dust it off ;-) 14:02:35 a non-crypto RNG can fail quite easily... 14:03:28 still, there's a number of tasks in Crawl that unnecessarily use Mersenne's Twister 14:04:08 they save its state, re-init with a short seed (usually 32 bits) then do a task that needs to be repeatable 14:04:16 kilobyte: What I'm running tests on now is an alternating step generator built out of a linear-congruential generator controlling the clocks on a multiply-with-carry generator and a xorshift generator. 14:04:24 ah-ha 14:04:30 Is there a practical objective to changing the RNG? 14:05:19 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:07 greensnark: Our 'secure' RNG works by running SHA-256 against a bunch of MT outputs. It's apparently slow. 14:06:15 And saving the RNG state takes a long time. 14:06:42 Not a significant fraction of CPU usage compared to game logic itself, last time I looked 14:07:28 Still, speeding it up is reasonable assuming the new generator has no issues of its own, I guess. 14:09:12 greensnark: does this include the version that runs on servers? 14:09:31 Oh, with the sha hash? Haven't checked that 14:09:38 Has someone tested that? 14:09:44 Profiled it, I mean 14:10:25 Intuitively I'd assume it's still a minor fraction of CPU use, but I haven't measured it so I'd just be guessing 14:10:39 03j-p-e-g 07stone_soup-0.8 * r070e7e6af5bc 10/crawl-ref/ (633 files in 43 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into stone_soup-0.8 14:10:50 Er, what was that commit ^^ 14:11:15 ok, the CIA email now contains 14:11:16 Oh, we're only (re)branching 0.8 now? 14:11:22 Content-Type: text/xml; charset=UTF-8 14:11:22 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 14:11:33 let's see if they understand that ;) 14:11:57 !coffee Napkin 14:12:08 * Henzell hands Napkin a mug of black coffee, brewed by the Serpent of Hell. 14:12:14 Ahhh! good one :D 14:12:14 Perfect, drink up 14:12:50 * Napkin slurps slowly with degusto * 14:16:17 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:17:12 anyone have a thought on the libcurses stuff? do I just need to do a symlink somewhere to make it notice it properly? 14:17:27 uhm, no 14:17:59 Eronarn: You're saying you've installed libncursesw-dev and still have issues? 14:18:01 on Ubuntu, you just need to actually install it... no version they ever had is no good 14:21:08 actually, looking at the package manager, the search on it is weird - 14:21:46 before i apparently had libncurses5w, libncurses5-dev, libncursesw5, lib32ncurses5, lib32ncurses5-dev 14:22:27 so i installed lib32ncrusesw5-dev, not realizing that there's there's also libncursesw5 as that didn't show up on search :P 14:22:45 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:49 okay, and that did it, thanks 14:33:22 !tell MarvinPA https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=1813&type=bug 14:33:22 Eronarn: OK, I'll let MarvinPA know. 14:55:26 Eronarn: how do your wyrms work against no-EV effects (airstrike, clouds, forest fires)? 14:56:25 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 14:56:54 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:59 hi 14:58:10 kilobyte: they're HD 13, AC 10, EV 5 with regen 14:58:32 low EV, good 14:58:33 and forest fires aren't a big deal to them because they smash through trees and plants 14:58:47 ie, me wants 14:59:04 yeah, i didn't specifically design them to be for forest branch, but it sounds like they'd be useful there 14:59:07 ah, potential fun new enemy for forest? 14:59:26 they're somewhat similar to hydras, except less damage, and more ability to alter the landscape around them 14:59:30 @??hydra 14:59:30 hydra (09D) | Speed: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | Health: 52-89 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Damage: 18 per head | Flags: amphibious, regen | Res: 06magic(52), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: clean/none/unknown | XP: 1212. 14:59:52 18 per head vs. a single 35 damage bite 15:01:33 -!- jpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:14 jpeg: meow? 15:03:36 though, there is of course the obvious candidate for a high AC, low EV monster for forest: treefolk 15:04:00 tree mimics 15:04:12 kilobyte: I'm confused about branching 15:05:17 jpeg: it's correct on the server, but your local copy might be left on the old version 15:06:02 jpeg: you can (while on the branch) do: git reset --hard gs/stone_soup-0.8 (or origin/ or the way you named it) 15:06:07 odd... it was claiming I had 4 commits in line (and the ones it picked were ancient) 15:06:46 much better, thanks 15:06:59 and sorry about earlier :/ 15:07:33 MarvinPA: treefolk = tree mimic + wandering mushroom 15:08:18 03galehar * r20a2c4dd7261 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-pathfind.cc mon-stuff.cc): Revert "Monster use pathfinding to go around clouds." 15:08:24 03galehar * raa24a811f6fa 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Revert "Fix monsters recklessly walking into dangerous clouds." 15:08:40 aw :( 15:08:54 i'd rather see the threshold for dangerousness tweaked, personally 15:10:07 It's not that simple 15:10:13 'course, ideally the decision depends on lots of factors 15:10:26 there's no treshold for now, just resist or not 15:10:32 monster hp, intelligence, tension, ... 15:10:41 I've commented on #3715 15:10:58 similar to crossing traps - okay at high hp, otherwise not so much 15:11:02 would it be simple enough to make monsters prefer paths without clouds, especially when they are of the same length? 15:11:09 before this revert, monsters would just start walking away (presumably to walk through the level to get to you from the other side) 15:11:16 it's a pity to see monsters walk through clouds when other paths are just as short 15:11:30 monqy: sure, that's a first 15:11:56 but I'm not sure I can do that kind of tweaking when we're under a code freeze 15:12:04 :( 15:12:07 I'll experiment locally anyway 15:12:13 yay! 15:12:44 jpeg: so, you're release manager for 0.8, right? 15:13:27 galehar: I guess so, though I'm doing my best to screw up as much as I can :( 15:13:52 and yes, I do intend to pull the reverts 15:14:27 have to go 15:14:29 see you later 15:14:31 -!- galehar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:07 not really, there is little wrong with not being accustomed to certain usages of git 15:16:20 kilobyte: yeah, especially as the quickstart doc doesn't handle that part :P 15:16:23 so what was the problem with the merge? something about the history? 15:20:13 it caused the history be non-linear in a way that can make rebasing or bisecting harder 15:20:13 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.8 * rbf672dda119b 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Revert "Fix monsters recklessly walking into dangerous clouds." 15:20:17 03galehar 07stone_soup-0.8 * rc3296c8f5ed1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-pathfind.cc mon-stuff.cc): Revert "Monster use pathfinding to go around clouds." 15:21:14 oh, a non-linear merge, right 15:22:23 they are not that bad on feature branches... the problem is mostly when doing bigger rebases between releases 15:22:38 like, distribution packaging 15:23:36 i'd be fine with writing up code for choosing when monsters move into/over dangerous stuff; i think the logic should go something like ignore trivial clouds, prefer avoiding dangerous ones, never enter fatal ones 15:24:00 non-linear history is fine by itself, it's only when there's a non-linearity around the branching point 15:24:40 @??ogre 15:24:40 ogre (07O) | Speed: 10 | HD: 5 | Health: 17-39 | AC/EV: 1/6 | Damage: 17 | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 119. 15:25:43 Eronarn: it's okay if stupid monsters sometimes are over-confident in their cloud assessment 15:26:00 but it shouldn't be anything the player can rely on 15:26:11 like, in a recent game my Cj[fire] met an ogre. I dropped a flaming cloud, and the ogre instead of charging me started running away. Yet, the cloud would do serious damage to him. 15:26:16 monsters are often more dangerous if they run through, say, conjure flame clouds, rather than wait behind them 15:26:27 as if they wait behind clouds, they're trivially kitable 15:26:44 ais523: precisely, but that, too, should not be 100% reliable 15:26:44 yeah... especially against a ranged char 15:27:29 having the cloud assessment depend on intelligence would be good 15:27:48 they already blithely walk into clouds with I_PLANT, right? 15:57:39 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:24:39 -!- jpeg has quit [] 16:36:33 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:47:47 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:47 -!- bmh has quit [Changing host] 16:47:47 -!- bmh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:09 -!- bmh has quit [Quit: bmh] 17:18:33 03galehar * r076880861444 10/crawl-ref/source/transform.cc: Fix transform from wall clinging spider to a flying form. 17:26:07 -!- Pseudonut has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:11 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 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##crawl-dev 19:12:08 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 19:13:40 so, dcss suddenly won't compile on my freebsd box 19:13:54 gets error "Version string 'distorteddungeon-45-gec3a845' is malformed..." 19:27:29 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:30:44 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:38:33 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:38:35 -!- blackpenguin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:38:36 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:39 -!- Napkin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:41 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:38:48 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:38:55 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:08 -!- blackpenguin has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:13 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:09 LuckyNed the Frost Mage (L11 DSIE) (Lair:1) 19:55:22 -!- jlewis_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:07 -!- dexap has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:13 -!- jlewis has 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