00:00:39 !players 00:00:41 10 players: chowder, domo, Shock, mindloss, moramartin, Arafel, Pyrusette, daken, Frankomati, qubitsu 00:01:43 Haha tavern: "Was there really a randomly generated pan lord named "Not Gay"?!" 00:11:33 reminds me of https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=879 00:12:03 Napkin: <3 CDO dgl repo 00:12:21 Haha, Adick 00:13:00 Not as sublime as "Not Gay" though 00:13:33 I think 78291 had it, right? 00:14:01 " To address Eino's point: We could use hashes to detect offensive words." 00:14:07 this is the best FR 00:17:29 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:01 TGWi: mtgo doesn't do that 01:02:08 it doesn't do it server-side, either 01:02:24 there's just a plaintext file of swear words in the folder 01:21:38 -!- Twinge_ has quit [] 01:37:36 Eronarn: Do they have any complaints yet? 01:38:12 moin! 01:38:31 Napking! 01:38:36 damn, upgrading dokuwiki just became an urgent matter *sigh* 01:38:44 Morning! 01:38:47 Oh, a nasty vulnerability? 01:38:57 !coffee Napkin 01:38:58 * Henzell hands Napkin a pot of soy latte, brewed by Xtahua. 01:39:06 wiki.php.net got hacked.. running dokuwiki as well 01:39:10 Good old soy latte, makes you feel so good once you stop drinking it 01:39:11 thanks :) 01:39:19 hehe 01:39:23 Oh, I heard of the php.net compromse, didn't realise it was dokuwiki 01:40:24 i wish we didn't have so much local changes 01:40:32 *many 01:44:19 eesh, i should write something to macro through this install process 01:44:34 yay new spider maps 01:45:45 Keskitalo: btw, is there some reason ghost moths are rPois? did they start undead and then become not-undead or something? 01:47:27 Eronarn: It was just that way in Lemuel's design. Now that you mention it, not having them resist poison would be more interesting. 01:47:36 @?? moth of wrath 01:47:37 moth of wrath (04y) | Speed: 12 | HD: 9 | Health: 34-65 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Damage: 2505(rage) | Flags: fly | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 502. 01:48:12 (was checking if those were poison vulnerable) 01:48:18 odd that they're not 01:48:39 flying type doesn't make bug type resistant to poison 01:48:49 @?? red wasp 01:48:49 red wasp (05y) | Speed: 15 | HD: 8 | Health: 29-59 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Damage: 2304(paralyse) | Flags: fly | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 543. 01:48:54 Obviously not, yeah 01:49:14 i figure if we're going to go with the 'bugs have rPois-' we should extend it universally 01:49:17 Napkin: CDO dgl chroot is entirely in /var, right? 01:49:21 we even put it on fire crabs 01:49:22 I'm good with making moths rP- 01:49:29 Napkin: Approximately how fast do the ttyrecs use up space? 01:49:35 @??fire crab 01:49:35 fire crab (04t) | Speed: 11 | HD: 8 | Health: 37-67 | AC/EV: 9/6 | Damage: 1504(fire:8-15), 1504(fire:8-15) | Flags: !sil | Res: 06magic(42), 04fire+++ | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: clean/none/unknown | XP: 491 | Sp: flame blast (d12). 01:49:44 in /var/lib/dgamelaunch, yes 01:49:47 Interesting, I had no idea crabs were vulnerable to poison. :P 01:49:56 they weren't at first i think, then it got changed 01:50:09 around the time of the curare fiasco 01:50:19 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 01:50:29 What's good about ghost moth poison vulnerability is that poison cloud becomes very good against them. What is bad is that meph meph mephity meph. 01:51:01 about 1gb in 3 days, at the moment 01:51:05 Spider's Nest could use a poison-resistant brute or something, to throw of venom mages and stuff a little. 01:51:15 @??emperor scorpion 01:51:15 emperor scorpion (15s) | Speed: 10 | HD: 11 | Health: 41-77 | AC/EV: 5/8 | Damage: 3004(medium poison), 11, 11 | Res: 06magic(44) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: clean/none/unknown | XP: 898. 01:51:56 Those aren't it. 01:52:13 about 1gb in 3 days, at the moment, greensnark 01:53:05 Napkin: Ah, is that uncompressed or with the bz2? 01:53:14 compressed 01:53:22 I need to find a long term plan for ttyrec storage 01:53:39 I offloaded CAO's ttyrecs yesterday, took ridiculously long :P 01:53:48 hehe, how much gb? 01:53:54 About 120G 01:54:01 nice :D 01:54:42 I've been wondering if there are cheap cloud storage options in Europe 01:55:13 The other alternative is to start purging ttyrecs when the servers run low on space again 01:55:36 S3 is not quite cheap enough for the kind of ttyrec volumes we have :P 01:57:01 Let's start a fund, get som GSoC students coding for us and have Google pay us for that. 01:57:18 Crawl license forbids it :P 01:57:22 We need to change to GPL :P 01:57:27 Let's change Crawl license already. 01:58:41 new server will have crawl in /src (200gb) and /var (50gb) separate 01:58:49 */srv 01:59:21 and still 352gb unused in the VG 01:59:29 i vote for deletion :> 02:00:15 02:51 < Keskitalo> Spider's Nest could use a poison-resistant brute or something, to throw of venom mages and stuff a little. 02:00:20 that's what ghost moths *are* right now 02:00:29 in fact they're the only threat in them for many characters 02:00:51 yup, the scale is faaairly uneven 02:01:28 demonic crawlers are rpois right? 02:01:41 but pushovers except for very weak charcters 02:01:43 and speed 9 02:01:48 oh right that too 02:03:06 do they only appear in vaults and the abyss? I can only recall ever seeing them in sprint and gloorx' level. that is, provided they're replaced by something else in sprint, perhaps they shouldn't be so pushovery 02:03:29 yeah 02:04:48 monqy: it's absolutely criminal that we haven't added a transdimensional hellspider monster 02:05:27 that too 02:07:04 aye 02:07:45 !coffee 02:07:45 * Henzell hands Keskitalo a mug of cappuccino, brewed by Cerebov. 02:08:00 I think I'll have a cappucino from the machine, indeed, indeed. 02:08:17 -!- ekiM has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:31 moin 02:23:16 wonder what a transdimensional hellspider should have 02:23:30 eight horns 02:23:49 phase shift, paralytic venom, eight gaze attacks...? 02:23:54 !coffee 02:23:55 * Henzell hands Zaba a pot of cappuccino, brewed by Xom. 02:35:18 is monster cause fear affecting other monsters a known bug? 02:36:03 is it a but at all? 02:36:07 bug* 02:36:33 well it's awfully spammy 02:37:15 so I'm guessing buggy 02:45:41 should make monster cause fear work like player cause fear imo 02:45:55 stuff should only run if it's weak 02:48:44 monqy: no 02:48:45 due: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 02:48:49 !messages 02:48:49 (1/1) monqy said (3h 26m 43s ago): For implementing hostile malign gateway as a miscast effect, what do you think the best way to create one would be? cast the spell with a dummy monster? 02:48:55 oh good 02:49:01 unless you mean cause fear 02:49:09 monqy: the best way to implement it as a miscast is to create the marker yourself 02:49:25 let me find the cooode 02:50:20 it should be relatively easy, because you can fill all the non-actor summoner information in as a miscast :D 02:50:31 "summoned by the effects of hell/your miscasting X" 02:51:04 you can and should use find_gateway_location however 02:51:26 All you need to do is copy spl-summoning.cc:1348->1357 and fill in the relevant details 02:51:35 ok 02:51:52 Ooh, I really like requiring a rune in midgame 02:52:00 though you do need to use find_gateway_location ... probably you shoudl check that and if it doesn't work fall back to another miscast 02:52:28 03zaba * rd2e19bfe5a89 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/layout.des: Put the abyss gateways back into _plan_6. 02:52:33 right I'm making it and banishment return booleans to account for failure (and rerolling in that case) 02:52:41 03zaba * r29ce26d1fe0d 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/dummy.des: Use CHANCE with depth ranges to shorten dummy vault specifications. 02:52:53 keskitalo: where would you ask for it? 02:53:33 That's a good question; between D:13 and D:14 would be one place. That's when Lair stairs generation stops and Vault stairs generation starts. 02:53:52 that sounds really harsh 02:53:53 a pity about disallowing lairless games 02:54:20 right around vaults makes sense 02:54:27 current lair rune vaults are really deadly at L14-15 02:54:35 and there would be a huge amount of luck with getting an easy one 02:54:44 Descending D when elsewhere is blocked is fun, though. 02:54:46 so you can get into vaults, but it, or something 02:54:56 er, but not beyond it 02:55:01 Well, D:19->D:20 would be another spot 02:55:18 and that'd give you three reasonable options for a rune 02:55:23 That's when Vault stairs generation stops. But.. it'd be much less meaningful by then. 02:55:23 keskitalo: yeah, one of the things I like about crawl is that you always have lots of options for where to go 02:55:32 and two megachallenge ones 02:56:00 though personally i prefer the idea of scaling up ends if you put off doing them 02:56:01 when does hellpanabyss gateway generation start? 02:56:10 Eronarn: how would you manage that? 02:56:18 elliptic: I agree; facing something difficult, you usually have another place to go. But that gives the "delay branch ends" problem 02:56:20 monqy: how to scale, or how to figure out how to scale? 02:56:25 both 02:56:35 I guess "delay branch ends until trivial" 02:56:44 more stuff, and also harder stuff. maybe stuff that wouldn't normally spawn at all 02:56:45 keskitalo: my suggestion for that is simply to put a bit of loot at the lair branch ends 02:56:57 and that's a problem if you can trivially do stuff that is way too easy to grind up the resources you need to do the ends easily 02:57:07 hi 02:57:08 galehar: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 02:57:14 !messages 02:57:14 probably some kind of timer, but with a long grace period, that starts around when you first find the branch 02:57:14 (1/2) monqy said (1d 8h 58m 8s ago): player clinging bug: I was clinging over a staircase and I stayed clinging after descending 02:57:14 I am going to fix lair ends 02:57:16 probably tomorrow 02:57:20 move a small amount of loot from v:8 to lair ends 02:57:20 hi galehar, good going with Ashenzari 02:57:24 !messages 02:57:24 (1/1) dpeg said (9h 35m 51s ago): You are my hero! 02:57:27 due: how so? 02:57:36 elliptic: currently there's dichotomy between size/exp 02:57:50 elliptic: solution is to slightly reduce the exp/etc in the large maps, and to otherwise place 1 large or 2 small maps on Lair:7. 02:57:55 Er, Lair:8. 02:58:18 ah, the 2 small maps idea, that sounded cool 02:58:21 elliptic: one idea i've wanted to see for snake for a while: most of the items in it are instead placed on snake 5 in a gigantic guardian naga vault 02:58:49 elliptic: Handing out more stuff earlier doesn't seem to do it? You'll still grind the easy places for the xp because it's optimal? 02:59:10 Moving stuff from a harder place to an easier one doesn't sound that bad though. 02:59:13 keskitalo: it would provide some incentive to go there earlier 02:59:34 elliptic: What incentive exactly? For fun because you're bored to play the easy places? 02:59:39 not necessarily enough, but the main problem now is that there is *no* incentive other than xp 02:59:45 keskitalo: uh, the loot? 02:59:54 You mean Lair ending? 03:00:11 no, the lair rune vaults 03:00:14 sorry if I wasn't clear 03:00:18 ahh, doh, yeah 03:00:38 okay, that does make sense 03:01:18 I'm not saying this would solve everything or anything like that, but it would help a bit at least 03:01:22 Shortening the branches has worked somewhat, regarding this problem. 03:02:04 putting some sort of 1-rune checkpoint is an interesting idea that I think could work quite well if the balance could be worked out 03:02:17 but I'm not sure I see a good place for it currently 03:03:11 Yeah, it feels problematic - it feels like it would remove some fun play (like descending D early, for me). And that feels iffy, even if I believe forcing to fetch a rune early one would add fun of its own. 03:03:32 here's a thought: 03:03:57 -forest is in the middle of the normal dungeon sequence 03:04:18 -it is quite dangerous when you first run into it, but could be survived 03:04:38 -bringing a rune in lets you get some secret passage or the like 03:05:31 I've always liked the "Forest shortcut" idea. How about: there's a rune-locked door between D:13-D:14, but you could bybass it by going through a hard area (not necessarily Forest as it is, because it seems like it's going to be a harder area). 03:05:39 perhaps something with treefolk, or awakened trees, which quiet down if you carry a rune into the forest 03:05:58 One thing that came to mind that Abyss could have exit gates that lead not to the place you got Abyssed in; but to a later Abyss gate. 03:06:11 that sounds hilarious but also unfun 03:06:14 So, to bybass the door, you could enter Abyss and find an appropriate gate. 03:06:20 that sounds annoying 03:06:25 that sounds fun 03:06:34 Yeah, it would need more gates in the Abyss (and Abyss getting harder over time). 03:06:35 about as fun as teleport traps at the end of labs 03:06:39 it's the kind of thing that will be fun to watch 03:06:46 and awful to have happen to you 03:06:55 Eronarn: it doesn't *ahve* to happen to you if you get a rune instead? 03:07:04 that sounds spoilery 03:07:20 it's not spoilery if you explicitly state it 03:07:24 Also, it would be hardly obvious that you could bybass such a spot via Abyss. 03:07:51 due: consider someone getting early banished and winding up on d20 or whatever 03:08:01 You'd possibly realize it when you came across such gates in Abyss, but not before (in the early D). 03:08:08 Of course the gate would tell where it would lead! 03:08:09 Eronarn: it doesn't have to work like that? 03:08:21 Alternalte,y you can choose where you want to leave teh abyss to 03:08:25 "You see a portal to D:20 here." 03:08:39 due: Yeah, that'd be an option. 03:08:44 Keskitalo: I like it -- but the cry against that will be "but then gates back to where you came from will be even rarer!" 03:08:51 Or, always (or usually) spawn a bunch of gates out close to each other. 03:08:59 So options there are to allow picking, or spawn more gates. 03:08:59 Keskitalo: but that's either more abyss exits spawned, or less usable abyss exits spawned :| 03:09:05 Which'd be nicer than an interface prompt. 03:09:14 (HAHAHAH! See, I told you that's what people would say.) 03:09:20 I think spawning groups of gates would be the best option here. 03:09:33 "Room of mirrors" :D 03:09:36 groups might be good actually 03:09:46 especially if you can't tell by looking 03:09:48 we could do them as vaults too 03:09:53 since every step is a chance of a shift 03:10:09 Eronarn: Ah, so you couldn't tell from distance, only when you're on top of the gate? 03:10:18 eronarn: unless you wear stasis or -TELE 03:10:19 "You can only peer through the gate when you're next to it" or something like that. 03:10:36 only when you try to go down it, yeah. "This is a portal to D:20. Really enter it?" 03:10:44 "There is a gate leading back to the dungeon here. > This portal leads to XX, enter? (Y/N)" 03:11:12 I see the bug with "The Xytrool the Cloud Mage" is still around, by the way 03:11:27 I'd like to have all three options: a hard short-cut branch; going through Abyss; opening the lock with a rune. :) 03:11:55 elliptic: Is there a bug report for that? 03:11:59 We could even have two locks; one blocking D:13->D:14, one blocking D:19->D:20 :) 03:12:02 There's a whole slew of monster naming bugs still open 03:12:05 With Forest as the later short-cut branch. 03:12:06 probably, it has been around for months 03:12:11 greensnark: Comments? 03:12:16 Keskitalo: ? 03:12:34 Oh, the rune-check? 03:12:39 greensnark: yeah 03:12:59 I like several of the ideas, but it'd probably need a trial run of some kind to shake out the details 03:13:03 We could put the later checkpoint in first, with Forest as the short cut branch to test the idea. 03:13:26 (well, it wouldn't be a short cut really, but a longer path around the obstacle) 03:13:41 Moving some loot from places like Vault/Elf into the rune branches would be good, but I'm not sure it'd be sufficient 03:13:49 Keskitalo: i propose a new branch: Spooky Tunnel 03:14:02 Getting one rune for that door would be easier than doing Forest, though. :P 03:14:08 Maybe require three runes right there. :> 03:14:18 Btw, are we guaranteeing the forest level for 0.8? 03:14:24 greensnark: less floor loot, more branch end loot. especially for snake!! guardian serpentssss!! 03:14:28 It'd be nice to randomly generate the forest 03:14:55 kilobyte: What do you think of the "short-cut" idea for Forest? 03:14:58 Eronarn: Yeah, I liked the guardian serpent + loot idea for Snake 03:15:08 Me too. 03:15:09 It's a nice nod to the existing guardian serpent minivaults 03:15:32 And some loot in the rune branches will definitely encourage players to do it earlier 03:15:39 *do them earlier 03:17:02 greensnark: I can't find the bug I mentioned on the tracker, so I guess I'll add it 03:17:29 elliptic: Thanks 03:17:46 There was a "gnoll corpse of gnoll shaman" bug, was that fixed? 03:18:22 Keskitalo: btw, lots of players like the gnoll camp serial vault :) 03:18:23 greensnark: Did you see the mock-up I did for a possible new level builder for Orc? I am rubbish with actual design of level builders and thus I am waving it at you in hopes you will wave your magic I-Fixed-Shoals wand at it. 03:18:26 Eronarn: Spooky tunnel sounds like a ghost train ride. 03:18:30 greensnark: Yeah, I 03:18:31 I keep seeing mentions of it on SA, all positive 03:18:36 I'm very happy about that. :) 03:19:07 Maybe there should be a rail shooter branch, where you can't move yourself. ;) 03:19:24 Would make a fun (or "fun") portal vault! 03:19:32 < Keskitalo> kilobyte: What do you think of the "short-cut" idea for Forest? <-- forest should totally shift around while it's out of your los, btw 03:19:57 I seem to recall that was one of Adam's ideas for it, not sure. It's a longstanding idea in any case. 03:20:02 I really like the idea of a persistent forest level with multiple entries. 03:20:13 With lots of ruined stone structures. 03:20:21 "gnoll corpse of gnoll shaman" is open as https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1239 I think 03:20:24 greensnark: I've been thinking of a (guaranteed?) early demon serial vault. 03:20:25 due: Yes, I saw the mockup, but it could stand to be more minesy 03:20:34 greensnark: The mockup was total rubbish :) 03:20:39 greensnark: I will do a better one later. 03:20:46 Could be built upon abyss portals, for instance. Lugonu invasion!! 03:20:52 I suppose it wouldn't really be that difficult. 03:21:00 It's just drawing the corridors that's difficult. 03:21:17 due: empty stone arches that bring you to Forest if you step on them :D 03:21:34 And I think kilobyte committed a change, that you can now define a random monster set for any level via a vault, so you could have the portals "spawn" appropriate creatures too. 03:23:33 Damn, I can never remember where cao keeps the Crawl data files 03:23:52 Names for fake uniques in the cloud mage and hellbinder wizlabs aren't handled correctly. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3632) by elliptic 03:24:03 Ahaha, /var/games in the chroot 03:24:11 Keskitalo: You've always been able to do that 03:24:28 Oh? 03:24:41 Keskitalo: Being able to define random monsters in vaults :) 03:25:06 I'm pretty sure that any portal vault with a defined monster list, that list is used for spawns. 03:25:10 If spawns are enabled at all. 03:25:12 I think I saw a commit from kilobyte that enabled that outside portal vaults. 03:25:23 Oh! 03:25:26 oh, right. 03:31:03 Eronarn: my current idea for Forest is to be a branch with diverse levels. One that regenerates out LOS (currently, preserving monsters and items, which might change), one at the bottom that has the Enchantress, defenders and a palace, and possibly others. 03:31:24 -!- Clatch has left ##crawl-dev 03:31:25 all with a heavy use of minivaults 03:31:48 however, current balance tests show problems with the monster set and concept 03:31:53 Regenerating out of LOS sounds cool, as does each level being different in some way from the other. 03:32:24 Flabyrest? 03:32:46 1. being all foresty means you can have a field day with an unlimited source of fire 03:32:59 Ah, btw to add to the "short-cut" brainpool, at one point I had an idea that there could be a staircase between an Elf level and Vaults level. 03:33:27 2. monsters are really tough against melee and some conjurators, insanely weak against clouds spells, refrigeration and airstrike. 03:33:31 Hmm, I should take a FE to Swamp and see what happens. 03:33:38 Keskitalo: +1 for Elf-V 03:34:09 due: flabyrest being...? 03:34:18 kilobyte: see, this is why we need treefolk 03:34:31 I guess Elf could serve as the early short-cut branch then. 03:34:43 rPois, rC+, high AC! 03:35:03 kilobyte: Forrest labyrinth :) 03:35:18 A portmanteau of some sorts, but mostly just a mangling. 03:35:26 Keskitalo: why elf instead of orc? the orcs are tunneling around... maybe they broke into vaults 03:35:29 I guess drop bears, being due-land fauna, have no rC... 03:35:40 Eronarn: Because Elf is harder, isn't that obvious? 03:36:01 Vaults are the Elves' treasure halls! 03:36:21 There's a problem with Elf not being hard enough (there should be a motive to do a branch end for rune instead), but maybe the staircase could be in a difficult vault. 03:36:23 Keskitalo: why does it matter whether where it is is hard or not, except for dumb players of course 03:36:27 on Elf:3 or Elf:4. 03:36:42 Eronarn: Because this is part of the "rune lock between D:13 and D:14" idea. 03:36:51 I wasn't clear on that, sorry. 03:38:15 04:32 <+kilobyte> 1. being all foresty means you can have a field day with an unlimited source of fire 03:38:27 I wonder how hard it would be to introduce such loops in the dungeon. 03:38:31 keskitalo: well, staircase could be in elf:5, but that would be too hard :) 03:38:32 the best way to deal with this, imo, is to give reasons why fire isn't always optimal 03:38:47 Tree ghosts! 03:38:48 you set trees on fire in the forest -> the trees attack you 03:38:49 Eronarn: because lightning works too? :p 03:38:52 like... it attracts powerful fire creatures to the blaze; or fedhasites! 03:39:04 elliptic: Yeah, a bit too tough. :) 03:39:08 or the spirit of the forest inhabits the fire and the fire attacks you 03:39:18 Smokey attacks! 03:39:24 Keskitalo: <3 !!! 03:39:26 due: flaming undead treefolk 03:39:31 Eronarn: i could get behind that 03:39:39 they want to quench themselves in YOUR BLOOD 03:39:40 I want a "treespirit" monster now. 03:39:41 flaming lumber 03:39:45 have you read some articles written by Rich Burlew? 03:40:10 The OOTS druid fight was brilliant 03:40:10 I'm speaking about that "charred horror" undead ent 03:40:25 due: make it a friendly monster that hides in the trees and casts rain on them to put out fires :) 03:40:40 all the drop bears come out at once if you set the forest on fire 03:41:07 Meh, drop bears. I always think of drop scones when someone says drop bears. 03:41:10 Now I am hungry :S 03:41:28 mmm waffles 03:41:41 (i did an image search for drop scones) 03:42:08 ooh, here's a thought 03:42:29 start a forest fire: the forest wyrms on the level know where you are 03:43:00 they flatten trees to get to you, and this is LOUD 03:44:59 found that article, even though it has been moved to a forum: 03:45:01 http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10546572&postcount=18 03:45:24 (ignore D&Dish stats, read the fluff and abilities) 03:45:57 http://magiccards.info/ju/en/110.html <-- basically something like this 03:48:12 kilobyte: Sounds like an anti-forest creature by the abilities and their motivation; an undead forest-defender might be a solution to the forest fire problem (but pretty inconsistent with Fedhas anti-undead flavour) 03:49:00 But, that would make a cool monster. 03:49:18 good MTG things: http://magiccards.info/eve/en/115.html http://magiccards.info/eve/en/116.html http://magiccards.info/eve/en/117.html 03:50:47 http://magiccards.info/ap/en/97.html 03:51:17 http://magiccards.info/mt/en/61.html <-- would be a totally awesome spell 03:53:09 also 03:53:21 a friend of mine who works in a zoo told me that 'megabat' was an awesome name and so much better than 'giant bat' :D 03:54:47 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:49 * due runs away 03:56:12 http://magiccards.info/rav/en/248.html <-- sludge elf 03:56:21 Rar 03:56:35 on my linux distro, but now grub won't boot into windows. 03:56:36 :( 03:56:49 I rather dislike grub2...nothing is easy. 03:58:05 http://magiccards.info/arb/en/95.html <-- if we decide we need a land-bound counterpart to vampire mosquitos 04:00:13 OH, here's the one i was looking for 04:00:15 are crawl leeches "giant leeches" 04:00:18 http://magiccards.info/rav/en/240.html 04:00:21 @??giant leech 04:00:21 giant leech (05w) | Speed: 8 | HD: 6 | Health: 32-57 | AC/EV: 5/15 | Damage: 2005(vampiric) | Flags: amphibious, evil | Res: 06magic(24), 12drown | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 87. 04:00:53 well changing it would be nice for the crusade against "giant", anyhow 04:01:20 also plant zombies http://magiccards.info/rav/en/241.html http://magiccards.info/rav/en/238.html 04:01:57 but really i want something like the corruptor, it'd be cool as hell to have some monster that turns the trees into horrible abominations 04:03:07 another thing we should have in forest: witches 04:03:25 some kind of forest witch, even... 04:04:03 what did the old forest witches have? 04:04:18 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:04:32 ??forest witch 04:04:33 I don't have a page labeled forest_witch in my learndb. 04:04:39 something dumb 04:05:09 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 04:13:36 a coding convention question: how does crawl usually handle rerolling on failure? my naive approach of having a fixed number of tries and randomly picking any possibility each time proved a bit nightmarish when dealing with miscast effects. 04:13:52 Eronarn: sunray, spammals, summon caniforms, awaken forest, mislead 04:14:45 monqy: how do you mean, rerolling on failure? If a roll fails, then the attempted action fails (miss, spell miscast, whatever) 04:15:17 monqy: just roll that "fixed number of tries" into the base probability 04:16:20 I was thinking of trying to structure it as a 2-phase approach of rolling a value and picking a case, but on failing, the first 2 cases (which are most likely to fail) fall into another switch which also contains the rest (except they're the originals, not duplicates, which is probably horrible horrible coding pracice, which is why I'm hesitant) 04:16:22 things work different for actions which can fail for legitimate reasons (like placing a vault) -- for rolling a random choice, you can not select the bad thing in the first place 04:16:53 you want no banishment in Hells, right? 04:16:58 yes 04:17:38 just like miscasts that depend on you having, say, hair: roll a smaller number in that case 04:17:43 current design is that it attempts to degrade into a malign gateway, which is also a miscast, but both of those are likely to fail due to space restrictions, so that should become another miscast rather than letting the player out free 04:17:54 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:18:32 ah, ok, now that's different 04:18:51 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:18:53 you can plain out reroll, without regard to "fixed number of tries" 04:19:05 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 04:19:46 as long as at least one of choices is guaranteed to succeed, the infinite loop protection is not needed 04:21:39 (strictly speaking, a random generator with a finite period might have a seed that produces a bad choice every single time. With MT19937 having a period of 2^19937. not an issue.) 04:22:24 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:23:17 my first attempt also tried to account for the failure cases of all the alternative miscast effects, but upon further reflection, they would all fail under the exact same conditions, so it's useless trying to check for one of them to succeed 04:23:56 so yeah it makes sense to ignore them 04:33:01 monky: are you trying to do it in the miscast code? Why not directly in the banishment? If you're banished (from spell, miscast, distorsion or whatever) in hell, summon an hostile gateway. Only exception is Lugonu's self banishment. 04:33:14 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:18 ??git 04:33:19 git[1/2]: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git 04:39:32 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:45:06 -!- |eith| has joined ##crawl-dev 04:49:54 -!- evilmike has quit [Quit: sleep] 05:09:15 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:13 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:18:43 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:51 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:41 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:40:18 -!- Twilight13 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:21 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:03:52 -!- galehar has quit [] 06:03:56 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:03 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:07:06 In case anyone is interested, I made a quick wiki page to reduce stair hopping. 06:07:16 !tell greensnark https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:branch:hopping 06:07:17 dpeg: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 06:07:26 When 'v' on the serpent of hell I get description "Well now, isn't this buggy?". 06:07:35 In Tartarus. 06:08:08 ekiM: perhaps descriptions for the new hell serpents are missing? 06:08:17 Could be! 06:08:32 BR please 06:11:26 ok I think the hell effect banishment / malign gateway miscast / failed miscast banishment degrading to malign gateway (and failed malign gateway rerolling) works 06:12:14 dpeg: WIll do! 06:13:19 !coffee monqy 06:13:20 * Henzell hands monqy a mug of latte macchiato, brewed by Cerebov. 06:13:41 looks like gitorious is down so I can't rebase if that is something I should do 06:13:43