00:12:15 -!- qalrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:26 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:52:21 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:02 I think it happens when something moves into my LOS 01:02:36 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:26:06 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:02:49 Crash involving "fixedvector.h (-1/17)" and a bee vault in the lair. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3578) by VariedDietVince 03:21:18 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:26:07 -!- ekiM has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:26 -!- ekiM has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:27:42 -!- ekiM has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:58 Mixed up scroll icons (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3579) by golan2072 03:49:56 "We get the point". 04:15:35 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:53:06 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:53:41 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:54 -!- evilmike has quit [] 05:06:57 -!- IanDavid has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:41 Missing Fire Bat Tile (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3580) by golan2072 05:34:07 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:38:47 Bare-foot MDBe looks as if he has boots (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3581) by golan2072 05:41:17 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:51:59 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:26 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:12:43 -!- Twilight has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:06 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest54523 06:35:35 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:04 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:23 -!- Guest54523 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:21:35 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:26:44 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:37:11 ouch - weapon mimic in D8 07:39:11 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:09 Identified armour of Dragon King does not denote elemental resistances in item properties (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3582) by hayenne 08:19:14 -!- jbenedetto has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:34 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:33 -!- IanDavid has quit [Quit: ..] 09:30:28 03dolorous * r3aaa72724642 10/crawl-ref/source/tilepick.cc: Remove reference to vampire bat corpses; they don't leave corpses. 09:30:36 03dolorous * r91b8019d0d8e 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-pick.cc: Resort fire bats' entry in mons_rare_abyss(). 09:30:38 03dolorous * rfde92f13f5b1 10/crawl-ref/source/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add an attempt at a fire bat tile to fix Mantis 3580. 09:36:14 03MarvinPA * rdca99492b63d 10/crawl-ref/source/art-data.txt: Improve staff of Wucad Mu description 09:36:24 03MarvinPA * ra3ce72dd8913 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/ (float.des mini_monsters.des): Remove vampire mosquitos from some early vaults 10:05:04 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:21 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:04 Elynae (L1 TrHe) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 801 failed. (D:1 (ZotDef)) 10:54:23 03MarvinPA * rb9b2a4198586 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Remove some redundant resistances 10:54:44 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:55:04 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:23 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14:25 03MarvinPA * r14251fa4c606 10/crawl-ref/source/player.cc: No stealth bonus from boots if you're flying or in water 11:15:04 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:08 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:35 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:21 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:09 ok what did i do to produce this http://pastebin.com/jsT80Y1u and how do i fix it 12:25:22 oh no a man-in-the-middle attack! 12:25:53 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:13 if you want to fix it you should delete line 3 of /c/Users/Neil/.ssh/known_hosts, if I recall correctly 12:26:23 are you worried that someone is eavesdropping on your commits 12:26:26 that sounds like a spam email 12:26:57 IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! 12:26:57 CLICK HERE AND ENTER YOUR CREDIT CARD DETAILS FOR HELP 12:27:59 monqy: o ok 12:28:14 if you get that message, it means that you aren't connecting to the same computer you were last time 12:28:25 if something changed at the other end, it makes sense 12:28:32 otherwise you should be at least a little suspicious 12:28:54 especially as it didn't happen to me 12:29:04 which means my computer still thinks gitorious is where it was before 12:29:07 are you using a proxy? 12:29:15 nop 12:29:43 it's askin me for a password now ?? 12:29:43 gitorious.org /should/ be at 87.238.52.168 12:29:48 don't enter one 12:30:06 partly as as it's gitorious, it won't work as it only allows ssh authentication 12:30:06 does it not usually? 12:30:18 no, it uses ssh key authentication 12:30:24 i have to enter my password whenever i push/pull 12:30:28 I don't 12:30:33 i have never had it ask me before 12:30:37 oh, that may be because you have a password-protected ssh key 12:30:42 ah right 12:30:46 yeah 12:30:54 and your own computer is asking you for the password to let it verify the key 12:31:09 Mu_: what do you get when you visit http://gitorious.org over HTTP, rather than as part of a push/pull? 12:31:42 as you'd expect 12:32:16 hmm, can you do a DNS query on gitorious.org yourself? ("dig gitorious.org" works for me on Linux, but the command may be different on different OSes) 12:33:34 i get the 87. ip 12:34:06 in that case, my guess is that it was a DNS caching glitch at your ISP 12:34:20 try the git push/pull you were trying again 12:36:25 The authenticity of host 'gitorious.com (213.236.203.206)' can't be established. 12:36:30 com not org 12:36:35 do i have something set up wrong somewhere 12:38:33 -!- clouded has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:52 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:42:26 aha, that must be it 12:42:49 did you specify the URL when doing the pull? or is it recorded by git? 12:43:02 there's a config file somewhere where you can set the default pull/push location 12:43:09 but I'm not sure where it is 12:46:20 ok i got it now, thanks ais523 12:48:24 -!- clouded is now known as st_ 12:53:42 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:57:23 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:05 MarvinPA: reducing noise from boots: +70 stealth (if both elven and stealth-branded). Completely eliminating that (lev): +10. 13:10:39 your change about making boots irrelevant while flying is ok, but it makes the above worse 13:10:58 yeah, maybe the actual numbers should be switched round a bit 13:11:53 I'd start with looking at elvenness and stealthiness stacking. 13:12:06 (elven is +20, stealth is +50) 13:15:10 I always assumed that, while levitating, you made a sort of "noing noing noing" sound. 13:15:14 lev giving stealth is bad anyway 13:15:17 So if you wanted to be stealthy.... 13:15:34 imagine if people cared enough to levitate everywhere 13:15:37 it would be horrible interface 13:15:41 "noing"? 13:15:45 noing 13:15:45 noing 13:16:16 * kilobyte doesn't get the reference... nor reasoning. 13:16:45 Levitating alien tanks make a... actually, where is that from originally? 13:17:14 the PC is a levitating alien tank 13:17:53 No, don't be ridiculous. The PC just makes levitating alien tank *noises*. 13:18:42 FR: the PC is a levitating alien tank 13:20:20 It's difficult to hear over the gun fire and music, but you can make out the "noing noing noing" sound in the background of this: 13:20:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rxm8aoeYoo 13:33:06 neutral fish should not stay submerged 13:33:29 that elyvilon altar with the neutral fish prevents autotravel 13:35:17 yes 13:35:19 that vault is awful 13:36:16 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:30 just kill the fish and sac its corpse 13:37:34 you can't 13:37:36 it's submerged 13:37:44 forever 13:38:12 also the fish being neutral is pointless if you don't even see the fish 13:38:14 eh? No submerger should stay under if you're next to it. 13:38:37 they do, sorry 13:39:10 but then, it was me who did that change so it's probably more buggy than Bill Gates' pubic lice 13:39:25 that was literally the worst simile evewr 13:39:27 ever 13:40:04 it was worse than bill gates' pubic lice 13:41:36 hmm... somehow, in two tests, the fish surfaced the first time but not the second 13:43:43 in fact, even as a merfolk can't get the fish to show itself in any way 13:46:05 ah, there was a hostile monster nearby in the first test 13:46:53 minmay (L21 MuIE) ERROR in 'fixedvector.h' at line 72: FixedVector out of bounds (13199 / 701) (Lair:1) 13:46:54 submergers need to have something hostile nearby 13:47:17 what logic do you think would make sense? 13:47:50 surfacing whenever a friend passes by would be weird... 13:49:02 The giant goldfish surfaces. You high-five the giant goldfish. 13:58:28 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:14 what would you think of making a god conduct for banishing monsters and making lugonu like it 13:59:29 too abusable? 13:59:34 yesplx 13:59:55 i though the plan was for that to be the case if/when the lugonu overhaul comes, anyway 13:59:58 the only problem I see is lugonu doesn't like demon kills and I don't know what to do about demon banishment 14:00:09 thought8 14:00:12 thought* 14:00:15 MarvinPA: well that's not happening anytime soon since it depends on the wrath overhaul 14:00:37 right, personally i'd be all for making it a conduct that lugonu gives piety for in the meanwhile 14:00:45 wrath overhaul? more like wrath overhaul is never going to happen! 14:01:07 MarvinPA: drop lugonu giving piety for corpses 14:01:09 I'd be willing to try and code it if I knew I'd be able to commit to it 14:01:16 and replace it with banish piety 14:01:18 that too 14:01:39 i don't know how it should interact with demons either, though 14:01:57 ??lava orc[3]demonspawn can be banished 14:01:57 I don't have a page labeled lava_orc3demonspawn_can_be_banished in my learndb. 14:01:59 why not demons 14:02:00 should also make banishment in hell turn into malign gateways 14:02:02 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:05 piety for banishment but not kill is probably too abusable 14:02:30 what's the reason for lugonu not accepting demon kills anyway 14:02:43 right, not sure if there's necessarily even a problem with changing that 14:03:03 that leaves nonliving and plants? 14:03:11 lugonu accepting demon kills: still makes more sense than yred accepting nonliving kills 14:03:26 okawaru should accept nonliving 14:03:51 these are no enemies, they are things 14:04:14 nobody seems to care about nonliving except yred, which is weird i guess 14:04:15 giant statue aiming to murder you: not an enemy 14:04:32 lump of pathetically weak flesh: an enemy 14:04:58 okawaru isn't about "kill the enemy" he's about "defeat things in battle" 14:05:05 ooh there are conducts for stimulants, creaing life, dedicated butchery, and casting nonutility spells 14:05:26 stimulants? 14:05:29 dedicated butchery? 14:05:46 DID_STIMULANTS DID_DEDICATED_BUTCHERY 14:06:02 dedicated butchery means corpse sacrifices 14:06:03 yes but what do those mean? 14:06:06 ah 14:06:12 stimulants is might/agility/brilliance i think? 14:06:24 it predates these 14:06:33 ah okay 14:06:50 FR: give it to a god just so we can figure out what it does 14:06:55 I remember Extension calling that 14:07:12 weird 14:07:25 apparently you get the stimulants conduct for berserking after you stop berserking 14:08:04 currently it triggers on: 1. stopping berserking, 2. any haste, 3. mutation, 4. might/agility/brilliance 14:08:15 weird 14:08:20 potion of mutation looks like 14:08:39 the potion effect 14:08:57 not sure what uses that 14:10:41 would it be overkill to make a banishment conduct for every holiness like with the killing conducts? 14:11:18 why? 14:11:36 to prevent plant-banishing abuse 14:12:02 what are we even talking about though 14:12:05 what banishment conduct 14:12:19 lugonu piety for banishing stuff 14:12:30 banishing costs piety 14:12:32 the currently non-existent but proposed banishment conduct 14:12:35 making it refund piety is completely pointless 14:12:42 TGWi: distortion etc 14:12:56 pacification does the same thing, also banishment doesn't always succeed first time 14:13:06 makhleb greater destruction costs piety / making it refund piety is pointless 14:13:15 also that 14:13:26 yes, it is 14:15:21 also good gods should hate banishment 14:15:25 (they currently don't) 14:15:52 try wielding and hitting stuff with distortion under zin and he'll be totally cool with it 14:17:23 monqy: it's mostly because it's very likely instadeath if you unwield it on D:1 14:18:06 abandoning good gods is safe though 14:18:39 anyways i'm off for a bit but +1 for a banishment conduct of some description 14:21:47 kilobyte: it's also likely instadeath if it spawns on d:1 at all; something could pick it up 14:24:29 03kilobyte * r2fbbae6305e9 10/crawl-ref/source/fixedvector.h: Change FixedVector messages to be easier to understood by users. 14:24:32 monqy: most effects of hostile distortion are not fatal, and D:1 monsters hit you usually a couple of times or so 14:24:43 03kilobyte * r1708357733f4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files): Purge away unused conducts. 14:25:53 for the conducts: most were enums with no code, and those which had code were so useful as stimulants we investigated before or "spell nonutility" which meant casting a non-Charm non-Tloc spell 14:27:24 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:54 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:42 rofl, sometimes crawl is just unbelievable 15:03:55 3 shot of curare miss and all needles break? riiiiight 15:14:17 03galehar * rad41d94f248d 10/crawl-ref/source/newgame.cc: Background selection menu cosmetic changes. 15:14:55 is there a bug with scroll of fear? 15:15:00 As you read the scroll labeled THRIOG GENK, it crumbles to dust. 15:15:00 _The snake looks frightened! 15:15:06 yet, didn't auto-id 15:18:30 if galehar doesn't get on could someone else change "mages" to "magi"? 15:19:37 Scroll of fear didn't auto-id on use (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3583) by Napkin 15:28:18 Napkin: you had a string of ~50% bad rolls, and just six of them. In an average game you can count on a number of 1/1000 things occuring. 15:29:22 monqy: down with irregular plurals 15:30:38 TGWi: then remove them from the rest of crawl 15:30:48 nah, there is no such thing as an average game 15:30:53 monqy: i will get right on that 15:31:36 also the plural of mage is mages 15:32:10 except for deep elves, ogres, and nagas 15:32:48 ogres are stupid and don't know how to correctly pluralise 15:33:33 the other two hired ogre translators 15:42:51 ogri magi 15:51:16 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:51:59 ogres mage 15:52:48 mage ogres 15:52:59 mages ogre 15:54:27 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:47:15 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:20 I just noticed that the game doesn't announce items anymore nor shouting monsters (come into view messages) 16:49:20 galehar: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:49:26 has it been for a long time? 16:49:30 !messages 16:49:30 (1/3) TGWi said (1d 15h 9m 40s ago): https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:interface:combochoice#tgw_s_proposed_class_order has a much much nicer-looking proposal for class ordering 16:49:58 !messages 16:49:58 (1/2) monqy said (1h 32m 36s ago): sorry to nitpick, but the proper plural of mage is magi 16:50:06 !messages 16:50:06 (1/1) monqy said (1h 30m 6s ago): and by proper plural I mean crawl plural 16:50:31 that is, ogre, deep elf, and naga mage pluralise to magi; that could change though 16:51:01 thanks, I'll fix it right away 16:51:06 battlemagi too? 16:51:14 I'd say so 16:51:19 change all magi to mages 16:51:19 imo 16:51:28 but really, implement my class ordering :) 16:51:34 or go back to singular and avoid the issue :) 16:51:53 TGWi: except there isn't any category in yours :( 16:52:57 the new one is less attractive and people have to look at the descriptions anyway 16:53:21 less attractive to you. I had some good feedback on it. 16:53:57 the spacing and alignment are more even 16:54:10 and it doesn't have the headers 16:54:50 at least now it doesn't have caps and the headers stick out better 16:55:06 God-gifted Knife of Accuracy inscribes to {god gift, } (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3584) by kurper 16:56:07 plus explicitly categorizing things is problematic 16:56:17 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:56:21 I'd argue that Hu and AM should be closer together than Hu and Mo 16:56:30 and As/St/En 16:57:41 Yes, it's a bit arbitrary 16:57:49 and we could have a stealth section 16:57:58 but I think it's better than nothing 16:58:04 mine isn't nothing 16:58:26 Categories is less intimidating to new players 16:58:30 all the killdudes in melee classes are at the left 16:58:45 all the killdudes with magic classes are at the right 17:16:17 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:57 damn, gitorious is down 17:50:23 You cannot open [crawl] because it may be damaged or incomplete. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3585) by sunzilla 17:50:56 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:37 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:59 -!- ekiM has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:47:13 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:12 -!- ekiM has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:54 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:02:44 -!- ekiM has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:19:57 -!- ekiM has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:52 no more messages for items coming into view (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3586) by galehar 19:27:37 -!- galehar has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:17 -!- ekiM has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:46:22 -!- ekiM has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:37 mnoleg ideas: mnoleg would be better if at least two of the following happened: 19:48:53 more interesting/dangerous summons (malign gateway?) 19:49:06 a way to get behind summons and away from danger (blink away?) 19:49:16 more dangerous smiting (smite-polymorph?) 19:49:38 I may have had more ideas but I forgot them 19:50:05 hmhm 19:50:23 pity that malign gateway doesn't really fit in his vaults, i'd really like that one 19:50:42 @??mnoleg 19:50:43 Mnoleg (09&) | Speed: 13 | HD: 17 | Health: 250 | AC/EV: 10/25 | Damage: 35, 23 | Flags: 05demonic, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11754 | Sp: greater demon, smiting (7-17), invisibility, horrible things, teleport self. 19:51:08 oh haha invisibility 19:51:49 I'd give mnoleg the rakshasa/mara gimmick but rakshasas/mara already have it 19:51:57 or rather I'd suggest that 19:52:35 does mnoleg have a good flavour other than horrible ugly things and glow? 19:52:53 and by other than I mean "the following is what I picked up and it's kind of vague" 19:53:01 he looks funny in tiles 19:53:07 nothing else as far as i know 19:53:18 distortion branded melee 19:53:33 too bad banishment would mean no glowing rune and teleport would mean safety 19:53:40 needs the abyss to return you to the same pan floor :( 19:53:40 blink branded melee? 19:53:42 yeah 19:53:56 blink branded melee with summon spam would be cool imo 19:53:58 blink branded as in blinks you? or af_blink like blink frogs and stuff 19:54:03 the latter 19:54:12 aha right 19:54:45 abjuration nerf would also help a bit 19:55:12 true 19:55:45 switch mnoleg smite to 20-60 19:56:00 and make it inflict glow 19:56:06 I may or may not be kidding 19:56:44 -!- ekiM has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:57:23 heh 19:58:34 af_blink would be a nice start at least imo 19:58:45 yeah 19:58:52 would be nice to replace invis with something useful too 19:59:38 silence 19:59:43 hah 20:01:22 projected noise as a monster spell 20:01:32 I still like silence 20:01:56 hmm i suppose it is a random panlord spell anyway 20:02:14 and if he's blinking around it wouldn't actually be mennas levels of horrible 20:02:15 not sure how ridiculous a blinking silencing mnoleg would be 20:02:29 blinking silencing mnoleg it is 20:02:35 <3 20:02:37 or i'll have a look, at least :P 20:03:46 oh, one of dispater/asmodeus should totally get something interesting and different, too 20:05:16 @??dispater 20:05:16 Dispater (06&) | Speed: 10 | HD: 16 | Health: 450 | AC/EV: 40/3 | Damage: 50 | Flags: 05demonic, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(213), 05hellfire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 13932 | Sp: greater demon, iron shot (3d29), demon, b.lightning (3d21), hellfire (3d20). 20:05:17 @??asmodeus 20:05:18 Asmodeus (13&) | Speed: 10 | HD: 17 | Health: 450 | AC/EV: 30/7 | Damage: 50 | Flags: 05demonic, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(272), 05hellfire, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: b.fire (3d26), hellfire (3d20), demon, greater demon, b.draining (3d21), teleport self. 20:05:23 twins 20:05:41 kill one and the other gets greater hellfire 20:07:49 @??ereshkigal 20:07:50 Ereshkigal (16&) | Speed: 14 | HD: 18 | Health: 250 | AC/EV: 10/30 | Damage: 40 | Flags: 05demonic, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(240), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 14085 | Sp: b.draining (3d22), b.cold (3d27), greater demon, torment symbol, paralyse, minor healing. 20:07:54 hmm 20:08:07 I guess eresh is a bit different 20:08:11 torment and para 20:08:27 and crazy ev 20:08:45 bad ideas, as a starting point: dispater's iron shot becomes lcs, they both lose common demons 20:09:06 losing common demons definitely sounds like a good thing 20:09:20 and since dispater only has 16 hd it will still be less threatening than e.g. alich stuff 20:09:21 @??dispater spells:lehudib's crystal spear 20:09:21 Unknown spell name: 'lehudib's' in 'lehudib's' 20:09:28 @??dispater spells:lehudibs_crystal_spear 20:09:28 Unknown spell name: 'lehudibs crystal spear' in 'lehudibs_crystal_spear' 20:09:53 @??dispater spells:lehudibs crystal spear 20:09:53 Unknown spell name: 'lehudibs' in 'lehudibs' 20:09:56 what 20:10:06 @??dispater spells:crystal_spear 20:10:06 Unknown spell name: 'crystal spear' in 'crystal_spear' 20:10:06 @??dispater spells:haste 20:10:07 Dispater (06&) | Speed: 10 | HD: 16 | Health: 450 | AC/EV: 40/3 | Damage: 50 | Flags: 05demonic, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(213), 05hellfire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10912 | Sp: haste. 20:10:08 bah 20:10:28 @??ancient lich hd:16 20:10:28 ancient lich (16L) | Speed: 10 | HD: 16 | Health: 42-82 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Damage: 2013(drain) | Flags: 07undead, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(504), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2854 | Sp: b.cold (3d25), paralyse, greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d29), teleport self / b.draining (3d20), animate dead, su.. 20:10:36 oh great it cuts off 20:10:39 @??jory 20:10:40 Jory (04V) | Speed: 10 | HD: 18 | Health: 110 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Damage: 40, 1505(vampiric) | Flags: 07undead, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(168), 02cold, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3835 | Sp: crystal spear (3d37), cause fear, blink, brain feed, pain (d17), vampiric draining. 20:10:52 ok well it'd be less than that 20:11:40 ruler of hell with less damage potential than a silly vampire 20:11:54 hurrah! 20:13:01 oh i probably stole this from someone else 20:13:13 but ring of flames (permanent or whatever) on asmodeus might be cute 20:13:22 I was just thinking that too 20:13:25 :D 20:13:40 more effort to implement but it'd be pretty cool 20:14:05 oh and another bad mnoleg idea: summon eyeballs 20:14:51 thematic and dangerous 20:14:51 ah yeah that was one suggestion too, instead of malign gateway 20:19:24 pardon my silliness but 20:19:28 @??dispater spells:bolt_of_inaccuracy 20:19:27 Dispater (06&) | Speed: 10 | HD: 16 | Health: 450 | AC/EV: 40/3 | Damage: 50 | Flags: 05demonic, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(213), 05hellfire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10912 | Sp: b.inaccuracy (12d27). 20:19:33 wow nice damage there dispater 20:19:43 haha 20:19:58 yeah bolt of inacc is silly 20:20:03 witches :( 20:20:06 :( 20:20:28 I'm going through all the spells trying to find good ones and it is hard 20:20:41 shatter of course wouldn't work 20:21:26 metal splinters and quicksilver overlap with the serpent of hell 20:21:40 petrify isn't really metallic and steps a slight bit on eresh's toes 20:22:41 iood probably wouldn't work either 20:23:03 too much summon spam :( 20:23:20 that and lots of walls 20:23:34 and for asmodeus the coolest and most obvious choice is cerebov's thing 20:24:05 yeah 20:26:35 -!- ekiM has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:08 fire crab breath is implemented as an ability isn't it :( 20:32:13 reflavor asmodeus as a demonic fire crab 20:32:22 breathes clouds of sticky flame 20:32:30 or maybe clouds of hellfire 20:32:42 sticky hellflame 20:33:02 and summons fiends and teleports away 20:33:05 this would work 20:33:45 mmm sticky hellflame 20:36:47 -!- ekiM has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:39:02 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:41:03 ??acquirement 20:41:03 Hmmm.... 20:41:03 acquirement[1/4]: Will give you a random item moderately likely to be better than a random item off the ground! See also ?? acquirement, where is book, staff, weapon, jewellery, armour, misc, gold, food, wand e.g. {weapon acquirement}. 20:55:05 hmm cool, i actually sort of got ring of flames to work for asmodeus 20:56:01 he probably shouldn't summon 1s into flame clouds though 20:56:22 he probably shouldn't summon non-rf+++ 1s 20:56:33 ice fiends are bad thematically too 20:56:55 summon balrugs 20:57:18 fiends, pit fiends 20:57:21 if he could get away with not spamming 1s and still being a challenge that'd be more interesting 20:57:30 hellions, sum demons 20:58:25 sun demons, I mean 20:58:48 summon fiery things could work i guess 20:59:44 pity if it would have to use a new spell. I guess & uniques could deserve it though 21:17:12 do any devs ever describe mummy/ogre/etc as 'challenge races' 21:17:36 pretty sure at least ogre has been described that way 21:17:46 are you reading the forum 21:17:46 especially by dpeg 21:17:59 reading SA 21:18:08 i can't read the tavern 21:20:58 wha 21:21:15 don't you mean the other way round (haha paying to read a forum) 21:21:31 with tavern you pay with your soul 21:21:41 oh i guess the crawl thread is accessible again 21:21:44 cool 21:22:43 anyway i wouldn't say ogres are a "challenge race" 21:23:05 they're hard, sure 21:25:11 heh people in the SA thread didn't know that the sparkling fountains in elf enabled ctele 21:25:14 point proven i guess 21:25:45 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:47 yeah i don't mind ogres 21:28:28 troll is my least favourite race 21:28:52 troll is good fun. I like that there's diversity in which race people like least and most 21:29:13 kenku :'( 21:31:19 -!- elliptic is now known as megabat 21:31:38 i have no strong feelings about kenku 21:31:42 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 21:32:33 me neither really, i quite like them in theory 21:32:38 they're just my last unwon race 21:33:30 -!- megabat is now known as megaelliptic 21:34:49 -!- megaelliptic is now known as elliptic 21:54:10 asmodeus with a ring of flames and summoning sun demons/balrugs/hellions/efreets seems pretty cool 21:55:36 and fiends right 21:55:48 and then I guess dispater would be mostly fine as-is 22:02:17 and fiends/pit fiends, yeah 22:02:37 swapping common demon for lcs on dispater seems good anyway, but yeah 22:03:56 oh right that too 22:05:16 have you changed any of the panlords yet or is it all only planned (in which case is it preserved anywhere) 22:07:34 i commited the ring of flames, fire summon spell, af_blink for mnoleg and a couple of other things locally 22:08:16 eyeballs instead of demons for mnoleg, blink range instead of invisibility 22:08:58 not certain about all of it yet, could wiki it for a bit and get feedback 22:09:14 or just go ahead and push whenever gitorious is back up 22:09:36 oh, gitorious is back up! 22:12:27 hurray 22:12:59 hopefully mnoleg won't be too tame 22:13:07 just a little bit worried about lacking punch 22:13:42