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00:52:26 <CIA-45> 03j-p-e-g * rbaa3eda4e26b 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-pathfind.cc: Fix a typo in the pathfinding code.
00:52:37 <CIA-45> 03j-p-e-g * ra9a60a62b0a3 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/clua/tutorial.lua: Fix a logic error in the tutorial lua code.
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02:44:40 <kilobyte> MarvinPA: uhm, that antimagic change is nonsense.  You'd have to earmark player mp as "for spellcasting", "for evocation" and "for invocations".
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07:36:26 <CIA-45> 03kilobyte * re52a38c7d093 10/crawl-ref/source/ (7 files): Make Fiends and Pit Fiends use regular spells rather than abilities.
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07:49:24 <Keskitalo> SPELL_MELEE, nice
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08:12:50 <kilobyte> a nasty hack :(
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08:56:05 <Ashenzari> Phase bats for goddamned_bats (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3556) by minmay
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09:01:26 <Napkin> omg.. 14 -> shaft -> 17 -> shaft -> 19!
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09:11:10 <Ashenzari> Can eat while berserk but not quaff potion while berserk (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3557) by XuaXua
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10:12:20 <CIA-45> 03zaba * rf1dcc88fdb25 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des: (Hopefully) fix infinite bat generation in the megacathedral vault.
10:18:00 <kilobyte> !tell due what about producing at bats in a given cathedral at the same temperature?
10:18:00 <Henzell> kilobyte: OK, I'll let due know.
10:18:44 <Zaba> so it appears like the name 'megabat' is here to stay for 0.8
10:19:10 <Zaba> I still don't get what's wrong with just 'bat'
10:19:45 <kilobyte> forgive me due but I agree with that
10:20:21 <Napkin> some stats about this irc channel?
10:20:22 <Napkin> http://develz.org/crawl/info.html
10:20:39 <Zaba> 'megabat' is ridiculously out-of-universe and inconsistent
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10:20:51 <MarvinPA> megabat isn't in "most used words" :(
10:21:09 <MarvinPA> (megabat megabat megabat)
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10:24:17 <CIA-45> 03zaba * r6f97511fa783 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des: Add missing ORIENT to megacathedral.
10:24:47 <st_> by.... :'(
10:25:35 <felirx> megabat is an actual species though
10:25:52 <felirx> although not large
10:27:20 <Zaba> crawl is not a dan brown novel, we don't specify specific species of anything else because there's no need---how come bats are so special?
10:28:03 <Zaba> well, we specify them only when there are many different subtypes of a single monster, like with snakes
10:28:08 <Zaba> but there's only one type of bat
10:29:16 <MarvinPA> not anymore :P
10:29:27 <Zaba> fire bats and vampire bats are too rare to matter
10:29:44 <Zaba> and they're not fire megabats for some reason.  Another inconsistency!
10:30:54 <MarvinPA> i'd be tempted to agree that just 'bat' would be fine but it doesn't bother me so much anymore, megabat is better than giant bat at least :P
10:31:10 <kilobyte> vampire bats are/were a dummy for recolouring player vampires
10:31:17 <Zaba> actually, there's a 'dummy' bat monster currently in the game
10:31:25 <Zaba> we could just make that spawn and remove megabats and call it a day
10:31:28 <kilobyte> and spawn just once
10:31:52 <MarvinPA> ah, in jory's vault? i've still never seen it :(
10:31:53 <kilobyte> Zaba: not that bad an idea
10:32:01 <Zaba> all that while due's asleep :P
10:32:09 <dpeg> due made an attempt at humour in order to get rid of one "giant"
10:32:12 <dpeg> I think it's okay.
10:32:50 <kilobyte> Jory's vault has no vampire bats, just ravens
10:32:56 <Zaba> dpeg, I find 'megabat' awkward
10:33:02 <Zaba> OK for the abyss, but not so for D:1
10:33:10 <kilobyte> which are endemic there
10:34:03 <kilobyte> so, you'd want to bump their hp/damage and have them be a bigger tier of bats, right?
10:34:29 <Zaba> no, I talking about the name only
10:35:30 <Napkin> Sequell: please, someone do it already.. before another 50 lines of backlog are wasted?
10:35:46 <Napkin> -Sequell
10:35:54 <Napkin> just call it flying fox
10:36:41 <Eronarn> ghoul bat
10:36:45 <Eronarn> and add mummy bats in tomb
10:36:58 <Napkin> bots removed from stats -  http://develz.org/crawl/info.html
10:37:35 <dpeg> Zaba: more awkward than death cob, toenail golem, curse toe, quokka?
10:37:58 <Eronarn> ...huh
10:38:08 <Eronarn> by as most mentioned! above even dpeg!
10:38:39 <Eronarn> ahaha where's TGW
10:38:48 <Eronarn> TGWi wasn't very popular, getting kicked 5 times! Eronarn seemed to be hated too: 3 kicks were received.
10:38:50 <Napkin> it's probably not checking for "by:" but just for "by"
10:38:57 <Zaba> dpeg, none of those spawn in huge amounts in the early game
10:39:04 <Eronarn> ah, i figured it was looking for name:colon
10:40:32 <MarvinPA> on the subject of removing (less controversial) monsters, how about removing bears, or making them a dummy monster and replacing them with grizzly/black bears where appropriate?
10:40:48 <Eronarn> i didn't even realize there was a normal 'bear'
10:41:04 <MarvinPA> yeah, they're just a little bit weaker than grizzlies, don't really seem necessary
10:42:32 <dpeg> MarvinPA: sure
10:43:03 <Zaba> could rename grizzly bears to just bears, too
10:44:56 <st_> no need for both grizzly/black either, there's polar too and they are all the same
10:45:07 <Napkin> yeah, and MarvinParanoidAndroid to Marvin
10:45:16 <Napkin> geez..
10:45:18 <MarvinPA> haha
10:45:49 <MarvinPA> i'd be fine with shortening it to MarvinPA on mantis/wiki actually, if that's easy to do
10:46:39 <MarvinPA> i used to use MarvintheParanoidAndroid as my irc nick too, absurdly long nicks are good :P
10:46:41 <Napkin> let's go back to tarballs and mailinglists - everything else is superfluous ;-P
10:46:50 <Napkin> omg, Marvin :D
10:47:34 <Napkin> well, your long name is ruining a few layouts on low resolutions
10:47:40 <dpeg> Zaba: I really hate "slice of pizza", but do I make such a fuzz about it? :)
10:47:43 <Napkin> but not going to force you ;)
10:47:49 <Zaba> dpeg, you could! :P
10:47:59 <MarvinPA> Napkin: actually if you could change it to MarvinPA that'd be good :)
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10:48:13 <MarvinPA> may as well be consistent
10:48:25 <Napkin> hmm, I just renamed due - should be done quickly
10:48:33 <Napkin> MarvinPA: you're not registered to the wordpress - are you?
10:48:41 <MarvinPA> nope
10:48:51 <Napkin> do you have a user-page on the wiki?
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10:49:09 <MarvinPA> yeah
10:49:15 <MarvinPA> https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=user:marvintheparanoidandroid
10:49:21 <Napkin> good - important to change the signatures
10:49:24 <Napkin> omg
10:49:28 <MarvinPA> :P
10:49:30 <Napkin> :D
10:49:52 <Napkin> hold on and don't touch anything, while I do the rename?
10:50:08 <Napkin> ready, MarvinPA?
10:50:16 <MarvinPA> yup
10:52:01 <Napkin> ok, done
10:52:09 <Napkin> you may have to login again to mantis and forum
10:52:18 <Napkin> but should work out of the box
10:52:52 <MarvinPA> awesome, thanks
10:53:01 <MarvinPA> looks like i don't even have to log in again
10:53:50 <Napkin> off home o/
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11:00:16 <st_> no mention of ghouls on the monster tweak wiki page, they are so weak and unremarkable people barely remember they exist... I wonder what could be done for them
11:00:44 <Zaba> make them fast
11:01:25 <Zaba> @??ghoul
11:01:25 <Gretell> ghoul (05n) | Speed: 10 | HD: 4 | Health: 12-32 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Damage: 4, 904(rot) | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(26), 02cold, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04hydrochloric acid | XP: 164.
11:01:30 <MarvinPA> they're super boring, yeah
11:01:36 <MarvinPA> @??necrophage
11:01:37 <Gretell> necrophage (15n) | Speed: 10 | HD: 5 | Health: 17-39 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Damage: 804(rot) | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(33), 02cold, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04hydrochloric acid | XP: 151.
11:01:43 <MarvinPA> (rename them to giant necrophage)
11:01:58 <MarvinPA> oh they even have less HD, haha
11:02:06 <st_> fast, greater mummy HP and iron troll damage
11:02:19 <st_> (yred buff)
11:02:29 <MarvinPA> high damage output plus rot could be a fun one
11:03:07 <dpeg> fast is not good: we'll get asked why player ghouls aren't quick
11:05:22 <Zaba> that's a good point
11:10:03 <st_> crypt could use some new threats
11:11:34 <Zaba> dpeg, could rename player ghouls to necrophages, and then nothing'd stop us from making monster ghouls epicly fast and hard-hitting, right? ;P
11:12:46 <MarvinPA> just upping health and damage on ghouls seems reasonable enough
11:12:57 <MarvinPA> but yeah, more interesting stuff in crypt would be nice
11:13:35 <Mu_> crypt is still kind of annoying even after the noise changes
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11:14:16 <Mu_> could do without the big open levels :P
11:14:31 <dpeg> Zaba: but having monster equivalents of players is good, too
11:15:36 <Eronarn> the new monster slowingi n shallow water thing: great
11:15:45 <Eronarn> except monsters aren't properly trying to path out of shallow water to get to you, if it would be faster
11:16:47 <st_> is ghouls get super buff hp/dam, hotting hulks could be renamed and be made fast/tough and then have packs of ghouls/hulks a bit more common
11:17:55 <Zaba> oh, there are also rotting hulks
11:18:01 <Zaba> @??rotting hulk
11:18:02 <Gretell> rotting hulk (07n) | Speed: 8 | HD: 10 | Health: 39-71 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Damage: 2507(disease) | Flags: 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(66), 02cold, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04hydrochloric acid | XP: 238.
11:18:20 <Zaba> well damn, could this get any more repetitive? :P
11:18:43 <st_> only if they were on the U glyph
11:20:35 <st_> can players get bleed status?
11:21:17 <Eronarn> not right now, and it should probably stay that way until it actually works in an interesting way
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11:35:12 <Henzell> No messages for ortoslon.
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12:31:27 * Napkin is updating the ssl certificate on CDO *
12:34:26 <Napkin> due to the new verification there is a new sub-ca certificate in the chain. if anyone is having trouble - please let me know.
12:36:23 <Napkin> 49 euro for a 2 year multi-/wildcard domain certificate is awesome!
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12:47:48 <MarvinPA> oh man buffing ghouls screws up sprint_mu
12:47:50 <MarvinPA> :(
12:48:46 <MarvinPA> have to replace it with a necrophage i guess
12:50:06 <st_> ah you doing it? I am just in the middle of writing it on the wiki page
12:50:30 <MarvinPA> i bumped their damage up to 25, 25
12:50:43 <MarvinPA> and hp up to something
12:50:58 <st_> I wrote HP 140 and damage 30, 30, 15 :P
12:51:09 <MarvinPA> heh
12:51:45 <MarvinPA> @??iron troll
12:51:46 <Gretell> iron troll (10T) | Speed: 7 | HD: 16 | Health: 62-107 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Damage: 35, 25, 25 | Flags: regen | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire, 02cold | Chunks: clean/none/unknown | XP: 827.
12:51:55 <st_> I had rotting hulks at 25, 25 and either speed 15 or 20
12:52:14 <MarvinPA> rotting hulk sounds slow, though
12:52:16 <st_> I'd like to rename them "devourer"
12:52:21 <MarvinPA> ooh
12:53:30 <st_> they would both need to be changed to high end gifts for yred
12:53:57 <st_> not really any more powerful than bone dragons so I think it'd be okay
12:53:58 <MarvinPA> yeah, already did that for ghouls
12:54:35 <MarvinPA> rotting hulk/devourer could replace eidolon, since cause fear on an ally is probably annoying
12:55:04 <MarvinPA> oh yred already does gift rotting hulks
12:55:06 <MarvinPA> didn't realise
12:58:14 <st_> honestly I say go all out on these, crypt is easy and dull
12:59:01 <st_> having pseudo executioners would liven it up :P
12:59:24 <MarvinPA> mm, tempting :P
13:04:23 <CIA-45> 03dolorous * r965c4df396b2 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc: Simplfy monster Trog's Hand duration calculation.
13:04:24 <CIA-45> 03dolorous * raba0478e711f 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc: Properly use BASELINE_DELAY in monster Call Tide.
13:04:24 <CIA-45> 03dolorous * rb2fca74eb843 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc: Add spacing fix.
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13:20:17 <CIA-45> 03MarvinPA * ra2830fb42408 10/crawl-ref/source/ (8 files in 6 dirs): Make monster ghouls a little more noticeable
13:20:22 <CIA-45> 03MarvinPA * r6a0b72f9b146 10/crawl-ref/source/ (14 files in 6 dirs): Remove bears, replace with grizzly or black bears where appropriate
13:20:25 <CIA-45> 03dolorous * r8c9e835e63e8 10/crawl-ref/source/ (main.cc spl-cast.cc spl-summoning.cc): Remove unneeded spaces from direction prompts.
13:21:41 <MarvinPA> hm, other stuff on my tweaks to existing monsters list: giant toad (remove, or give it jumping spider-stype leaps?), gila monster (remove, or give it sky beast invisibility and rename to chameleon?)
13:21:58 <Eronarn> don't give it sky beast invisibility
13:22:03 <Eronarn> that was the least liked option
13:22:12 <st_> I dont like sky beasts, they encourage pillar dancing
13:22:15 <MarvinPA> or there was rename to basilisk and give it some petrify thing
13:22:28 <MarvinPA> but that requires implementing petrify
13:22:55 <Eronarn> save basilisks for later; give it a reaching tongue attack + invis unless you're adjacent to it + makes disturbances
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13:23:36 <Jordan7hm> don't give giant toads leaps
13:23:39 <Jordan7hm> toads don't leap
13:23:46 <Eronarn> ...yes they do
13:23:47 <MarvinPA> giant ones do
13:23:52 <MarvinPA> (i guess?)
13:24:07 <MarvinPA> easy enough to justify, anyway :P
13:24:27 <MarvinPA> i'd just worry that it's too much like blink frogs
13:24:29 <Eronarn> MarvinPA: make toads mislead on hit
13:24:32 <MarvinPA> haha no
13:24:39 <Eronarn> do itttt
13:24:41 <Jordan7hm> give them a confusion attack or something
13:24:48 <Eronarn> or hallucinogenic chunks at least
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13:25:20 <MarvinPA> give mesmerise, rename to hypnotoad
13:25:23 <MarvinPA> problem solved
13:25:24 <Eronarn> yesssssssssss
13:25:28 <Eronarn> do it
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13:29:19 <Eronarn> oh man i just realized
13:29:25 <Eronarn> i can use this DF tileset to play CRAWL
13:32:07 <Jordan7hm> lol
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13:42:13 <CIA-45> 03dolorous * reff2768084f6 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Remove the last references to bears; move the bear tile to UNUSED.
13:42:19 <Keskitalo> MarvinPA: I tried some jumping stuff but it didn't really work out, and as far as F goes, blink frogs do enough jumpy stuff
13:43:02 <Keskitalo> hypnotoad sounds good ;) but not sure if we really would want to add more mesmerize.. inflation of unique stuff
13:44:03 <Keskitalo> reaching sticky tongue might be something, such as disarming (yeah needs new code)
13:44:24 <Keskitalo> @??giant frog
13:44:24 <Gretell> giant frog (03F) | Speed: 15 (swim: 60%) | HD: 4 | Health: 12-32 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Damage: 9 | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(16), 12drown | XP: 90.
13:44:27 <Keskitalo> @??giant toad
13:44:27 <Gretell> giant toad (07F) | Speed: 13 (swim: 60%) | HD: 8 | Health: 29-59 | AC/EV: 2/11 | Damage: 14 | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(32), 12drown | XP: 249.
13:44:38 <Keskitalo> @??blink frog
13:44:38 <Gretell> blink frog (09F) | Speed: 14 (swim: 60%) | HD: 6 | Health: 20-45 | AC/EV: 0/16 | Damage: 2006(blink) | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 264 | Sp: blink.
13:44:41 <Keskitalo> @??spiny frog
13:44:41 <Gretell> spiny frog (08F) | Speed: 12 (swim: 60%) | HD: 7 | Health: 24-52 | AC/EV: 6/9 | Damage: 2604(medium poison) | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(28), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 408.
13:45:10 <Keskitalo> MarvinPA: Axing would be good, only I went through the trouble of renaming them from giant brown frogs ;)
13:46:03 <Keskitalo> if at all possible, something that is troublesome for casters would be cool
13:46:59 <monqy> ghost frog/frog of draining/antimagic frog/silent frog
13:47:08 <Keskitalo> yeah i was thinking of antimagic too
13:47:24 <Keskitalo> high MR, poison res, deflect missiles, antimagic brand
13:47:29 <Keskitalo> genetically engineered antimage toad
13:49:54 <MarvinPA> heh
13:50:04 <MarvinPA> that'd be interesting to mix things up in lair a bit
13:51:11 <Keskitalo> "battletoad"
13:53:50 <Keskitalo> trogtoad
13:56:19 <Eronarn> hypnotoads could get Daze instead of mesm, maybe
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14:08:27 <CIA-45> 03dolorous * r136aa19b461b 10/crawl-ref/source/mutation.cc: Simplify draconian-scales-based AC calculation.
14:08:52 <Keskitalo> Haven't seen it in game but I like the idea of dazed, would be fun to try to use it more
14:09:12 <Keskitalo> sleep now
14:10:15 <TGWi> partial resist confuse should result in daze
14:12:26 <Jordan7hm> ??carnivore
14:12:27 <Henzell> carnivore[1/1]: Built-in {gourmand} (i.e. eat chunks when not hungry) without the sickness protection. Also makes you get less nutrition from non-meat food, and more from meat -- and since almost all you eat is chunks, that's good. Concurrent levels increase the effect. The third level prevents eating non-meat food completely. Mutually exclusive with {herbivore}.
14:22:10 <Eronarn> TGWi: partial resists for .9 :(
14:22:18 <TGWi> Eronarn: lava orcs too
14:22:54 <Eronarn> yess
14:23:04 <Eronarn> lava orcs, hypnotoads, octopodes
14:23:30 <TGWi> except for all of those except lava orcs, yes
14:37:55 <Ashenzari> The raw (M)acro prompt blanks the screen. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3558) by jpeg
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16:04:29 <due> I'll revert it :p
16:04:29 <Henzell> due: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
16:04:31 <due> !messages
16:04:32 <Henzell> (1/1) kilobyte said (5h 46m 31s ago): what about producing at bats in a given cathedral at the same temperature?
16:05:57 <due> !tell Zaba Thanks for fixing the megacathedral, I didn't realise there was an issue with the marker.
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16:05:58 <Henzell> due: OK, I'll let Zaba know.
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16:08:54 <due> dpeg: Thanks :)
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16:14:53 <Mu_> due: i got it in a game on cdo and killed about 400 bats/firebats :P
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16:19:10 <due> Mu_: ... huh, each was onmly supposed to give ten.
16:19:25 <due> oh well :)
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16:28:32 <Napkin> moin due!
16:30:34 <Napkin> you are the winner, due! :D
16:30:37 <Napkin> http://crawl.develz.org/stats/
16:32:53 <due> Hah. My verbosity knows no bounds.
16:33:00 <Napkin> <3
16:38:47 <TGWi> idea for new category: most instances of "hi all.  [...]"
16:39:50 <TGWi> why is issue 296 so popular? :(
16:40:06 <TGWi> hell yes most kicked
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16:54:26 <CIA-45> 03dolorous * r14135e46b8ea 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h: Make ghouls have a hit-type attack again, to fix their weapon usage.
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16:58:03 <Eronarn> is mutation from eating chunks while genetically stable special cased
16:58:18 <Eronarn> because i thought geneticlaly stable 1 was 50% fail, but i'm failing *way* more often than that
17:17:54 <kilobyte> Eronarn: it's 2/3 fail
17:18:44 <kilobyte> even though indeed, in my current game all of 8 mutation attempts failed, so there might be something else
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17:49:47 <casmith789> I must leave more inspiring lines to leave on, like dpeg does
17:50:06 <casmith789> It won't be Nethack anymore, it'll be cheese cake. Nice :P
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18:05:23 <CIA-45> 03MarvinPA * reb6ba93fe7b0 10/crawl-ref/source/ (11 files in 2 dirs): Remove crystal balls of fixation
18:05:40 <CIA-45> 03MarvinPA * r43562ccba9da 10/crawl-ref/source/acquire.cc: Make acquiring rods of striking less likely
18:08:34 <CIA-45> 03kilobyte * r782f7e2c2e9f 10/crawl-ref/source/ (4 files in 4 dirs): minmay's phasing addition to goddamned bats.
18:08:34 <CIA-45> 03kilobyte * r3ce3fcaec956 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des tilepick.cc): Fix ice bats (bat simulacra) not using their tile.
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18:15:32 <TGWi> where is nyaakitty
18:15:45 <TGWi> in the other channel I guess
18:15:51 <TGWi> (derp)
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18:20:38 <Eronarn> TGWi: mercury vampires are the new lava orcs
18:20:42 <Eronarn> just letting you know in advance
18:20:49 <TGWi> nope sorry
18:24:25 <Eronarn> yup
18:34:17 <CIA-45> 03dolorous * r0d99015eb3f8 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Remove tiles references to scrolls of paper and crystal balls of fixation.
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20:55:40 <Gretell> akrobin (L14 DDAK) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 801 failed. (Temple)
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23:13:32 <Keskitalo> Apparently I shout often!
23:16:33 <TGWi> how does it measure that?!
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23:30:48 <Ashenzari> Crash while iding/changing armour. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3559) by Ashery
23:35:40 <Keskitalo> TGWi: I don't know must be genius!!!!
23:35:50 <TGWi> okay
23:35:51 <TGWi> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!