00:10:33 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:20:11 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:42:49 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:05:20 -!- xyblor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:36:50 @??vampire mosquito 02:36:50 vampire mosquito (07y) | Speed: 19 | HD: 5 | Health: 17-39 | AC/EV: 2/15 | Damage: 507(disease), 805(vampiric) | Flags: 07undead, evil, fly | Res: 06magic(20), 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04hydrochloric acid | XP: 179. 02:36:53 @??moth of wrath 02:36:54 moth of wrath (04y) | Speed: 12 | HD: 9 | Health: 34-65 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Damage: 2505(rage) | Flags: fly | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 502. 02:37:05 heh, the red is quite nice for the moth 02:40:26 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:43:49 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 03:45:39 hiii 03:48:08 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:48:15 hi syllogism 03:54:54 hey 04:27:05 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:41 -!- kilobyte has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:31:34 Dungeon Olms report they have a good bunch of problems they've noticed in their pre-testing evaluation. 04:32:23 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:01 -!- dpeg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:33:05 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:16 They have at least half of the user tests next week 04:36:37 File? :D 04:37:19 They'll do a report, I suppose they're not bugs but usability problems :) 04:40:08 oh 04:59:28 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:57 hi elliptic! 05:06:37 hi 05:20:53 moin 05:22:02 There's no staff of hexes yet right? It could have a MR-reducing special brand. 05:24:23 actually 05:24:36 staff of enchantments is being kept as a modifier to both 05:38:41 ah yeah 05:58:37 in the old system, that was a less important to-do thing... but with MarvinPA's changes to make non-elemental staves not so cookie cutter as before, I now think it can stay 06:01:26 I just fixed portal vaults in Pan... currently, only Zigs can spawn there. Would adding another one -- say, a single bazaar, be ok? 06:02:27 looking for a timed portal on a pan level could be fun 06:06:03 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 06:07:04 anyway, i do think that splitting the staff would be interesting.. the MR-reducing would be interesting because you'd have to be in melee 06:07:04 the idea comes from timecircuit I believe 06:11:11 hrm, my fix is incomplete... we'd need a level stack to do this well 06:22:10 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:49 Keskitalo: well now that ench is gone as a school magic resistnace -> ench resistance makes so much more sense 06:28:33 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:27 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:44 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:50:21 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:51:42 due: that could be the charm staff 07:20:09 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:11 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30:41 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:15 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:42:05 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 08:39:41 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:37 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:43 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:09 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:24 03MarvinPA * rd8c66fcf3266 10/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc: Tweak the weapons created by the Dance card at low power 09:30:35 03MarvinPA * r6b21f9db6c61 10/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc: Reduce the maximum duration of Pentagram, Dance, Foxfire and Bones cards 09:30:36 03MarvinPA * r59a83246ade7 10/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc: Improve the Hammer card at low power 09:30:37 03MarvinPA * r136004cd1d6d 10/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc: Make the Torment and Experience cards a little rarer 09:54:41 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13:14 Egglet (L2 MuEE) (D:1) 10:23:42 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:34 -!- Jordan7hm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:42 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:46:09 -!- Twilight13 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:20 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:49:39 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:48 -!- TGWi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:55:54 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:55 -!- ais523 has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:55:58 -!- ais523_ is now known as ais523 11:01:34 -!- intermezzo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:44 -!- hayenne has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:55 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:15 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:16 -!- Zao has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 11:06:25 -!- Zao_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:53 -!- varmin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:07:28 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:33 -!- Zao_ has quit [Changing host] 11:09:33 -!- Zao_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:36 -!- Zao_ is now known as Zao 11:25:00 -!- Zao has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:09 -!- Zao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:48 -!- Zao has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:30:10 -!- Zao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:18 -!- upsy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:18 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:36 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:44 -!- bf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:44 -!- Hehfiel has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40:45 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40:45 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:40:45 -!- intermezzo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:41:28 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:43 -!- Hehfiel has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:12 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:49:43 -!- dpeg has quit [*.net *.split] 11:51:04 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:05 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:41 i made a new card for the deck of wonders on a whim, the Alchemist 11:53:59 converts some of your gold to hp and mp 11:54:56 in order to reduce the chance of people getting a particular card they want from Wonders? 11:55:05 that would make sense 11:55:09 that's a convenient effect, yeah :P 11:56:19 it doesn't spend that much, i'm reasonably happy with the numbers so i guess i'll go ahead and push it and people can feedback or whatever 11:57:43 -!- dpeg has quit [*.net *.split] 11:58:25 how much gold? 11:59:16 0 to 300 11:59:50 well not quite 11:59:56 but random2avg(100, 2) * (1 + power_level) 12:00:16 03Keskitalo * r9ef9254b8749 10/crawl-ref/source/religion.cc: Make TSO non-holy summon extension at most double the current duration. 12:00:36 (is that even English?) 12:03:25 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:14 03MarvinPA * r3cdd907899ec 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dat/descript/cards.txt decks.cc decks.h): Add a new card to decks of Wonder: the Alchemist 12:13:54 -!- kilobyte_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:37 -!- bf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:15:37 -!- blackflare has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:38 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:15:43 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:14 what's it doooo? :O 12:17:25 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:27 oh wait, nevermind, i just read 12:17:31 heh 12:17:46 nothing super-powerful, just thought it'd be fun 12:17:49 is it perm HP/MP or? 12:18:22 yeah 12:18:56 like elixir but with gold 12:19:27 sort of, it regens less hp though 12:20:17 http://myrmecos.net/2011/03/02/not-the-ant-i-thought-it-was/ let's add these to crawl 12:22:45 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:25:44 -!- upsy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:52 -!- TGWi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:28:53 -!- upsy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:28:54 -!- Eronarn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:29:06 -!- Eronarn has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:22 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:43 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:13 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:33:20 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:48 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:41:34 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:36 -!- Zao has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:42:36 -!- jld has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:46:52 -!- bf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:28 -!- Zao has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:12 -!- jld has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:59 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:50:04 -!- Zao has quit [Changing host] 12:50:04 -!- Zao has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:16 03Keskitalo * rd0cd4b36fa7b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (spl-cast.cc spl-damage.cc spl-damage.h): Code cleanup: burn_freeze -> cast_freeze. 12:50:24 03Keskitalo * rf7782ccb49a0 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc: Clean out unused DEBRIS enums. 12:50:43 * Keskitalo pats self in the back 12:50:48 code cleanup :-o 12:54:55 -!- varmin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:55:47 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:56:13 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:57:31 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:15 I heard fight.cc needed some work 13:00:40 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:40 MarvinPA: around? 13:03:50 hey 13:03:58 !send Keskitalo pat 13:03:58 Sending pat to Keskitalo. 13:04:05 MarvinPA: the alchimist is awesome! 13:04:12 thanks :D 13:04:14 MarvinPA: your idea? 13:04:59 yeah, just came up with it yesterday and thought i'd go ahead and try to implement it 13:06:56 When Haran and I brainstormed the new decks, we had an idea for another Summon card: Mercenary. Creates some band of fitting monsters (kobolds, orcs, humans, draconians...) which will materialise in any case. They'll demand a certain price and if you won't pay, they're hostile. 13:07:13 Your Alchimist card reminded me of this, naturally. 13:08:00 ah nice, that could be cool for one of the decks nemelex doesn't gift 13:08:50 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:33 MarvinPA: and while we're at new uses for gold, here's my Reverse Alchemy spell: Tmut (perhaps plus Conj), turns gold into damage (and presumably lead) 13:10:02 turn gold into projectiles 13:10:03 ahh yeah, i thought i'd seen something like that suggested somewhere 13:10:25 gold as a resource seems like a nice concept generally, i guess that's what the greedy god is about too 13:10:32 MarvinPA: yes, of course 13:10:55 I am obsessed with this: I invented bazaars and ziggurats in order to make gold less trivial :) 13:11:18 nice :) 13:12:19 Haran and Darshan told me that there's no point in making gold non-trivial, so I immediately set out to do something about it. 13:13:12 heh :D 13:13:27 My first idea (even as a devteam member) was the rune shop: increase number of runes to four; have a guaranteed shop at Geryon's, selling three runes for 3k, 9k, 27k respectively. 13:13:33 Got shot down at once :) 13:14:17 aw :P 13:14:33 I remember that :P 13:17:19 I feel a bit funny about the alchemist card because, as I see it, it makes carrying around mountains of gold potentially suboptimal (because of losses), which can be powergamed by not picking up gold and then going back for however much gold is needed for e.g. items in shops (but as little as possible more) 13:17:41 that and I doubt anyone will ever draw it at a point at which mp/hp regain means anything (in combat) 13:17:47 but the concept is nice 13:19:05 well it doesn't take gold unless it heals you 13:20:04 so not drawing from wonders if you're at less than full health would be sufficient to powergam-ily avoid gold loss 13:20:27 oh right I forgot that bit 13:20:45 I am confident that Marvin thinks enough like a powergamer to not fall into such simple traps. 13:21:06 does it give a message when it doesn't heal? I forget 13:21:16 "nothing happens" 13:21:44 MarvinPA: did you contemplate other decks than Wonders, btw? 13:22:32 i tweaked a few summonings/destructions cards to try and make summonings a bit less powerful and destruction a bit more attractive, only fairly minor changes though 13:23:17 i'd like think of something for the deck of dungeons perhaps, at the moment the trowel card is the only really exciting thing in it 13:23:26 and i know some people would rather remove trowel :P 13:23:43 MarvinPA: well, HP/MP regain is a battle effect, so it could in a tactical deck 13:24:00 MarvinPA: yes, removing trowel might not be a bad idea 13:24:11 oh sorry i see, you meant as in which deck to put the alchemist in? 13:25:42 well, i felt like it fitted quite well in wonders thematically, as well as diluting the other really powerful cards in that deck a bit 13:27:09 ??deck of war 13:27:10 deck of war[1/1]: Randomly per-card {deck of destruction}, {deck of enchantments}, {deck of battle}, {deck of summoning}, {deck of transport}, {deck of emergency}. 13:27:15 MarvinPA: yes, thematicially it fits... I was wondering about gameplay, like monqy brought up. 13:27:22 oh no changes in there? 13:27:26 where do changes cards go 13:27:36 just wonders? 13:28:06 ??deck of changes 13:28:07 deck of changes[1/1]: Randomly per-card {deck of battle}, {deck of dungeons}, {deck of wonders}. 13:28:17 oh it pulls from wonders 13:29:15 would it be good in emergency or does that have some different effect theme? 13:30:29 hmm, emergency is tomb, banshee, damnation, etc 13:30:33 Wonders has some potion effects (xp, (cure)mut), which is what MarvinPA meant, I think. The healing would fit better in battle or emergency. 13:32:59 hmm, well wonders has the potion card, what if that drew from a list of potions like agility, might, brilliance, resistance, invisibility etc 13:34:00 then wonders would have two different cards both with useful effects in battle, also means you'd be more tempted to stack or triple draw them to get cards that are useful for your situation (in battle or not) 13:34:19 MarvinPA: we should first make up our mind whether Wonders should be a tactical or a strategical deck. (And yes, Haran and I should've done that years ago.) 13:34:29 MarvinPA: ah, I see 13:34:41 i suppose i'd be cheating and having it be a mix of both :P 13:35:32 -!- elly has quit [Quit: IRC host going down] 13:36:48 MarvinPA: that can work (but is harder to get right, imo). 13:36:57 You've won Nemelexites, not I though :) 13:37:22 hmhm, well i'm going to go get something to eat and i'll have a think about it :) 13:37:27 -!- hayenne has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:49 okay, I will go to bed 13:37:57 ah, before I leave 13:38:02 we need a release manager 13:38:33 or we won't get to 0.8 :( 13:39:50 will write a mail tomorrow 13:39:53 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: zzz] 13:47:04 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:19 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:24 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:37 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:02 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:18 i can't find partial pickup in keybind.txt 14:30:26 buying runes for gold is a hilarious idea 14:30:36 you'd have people scumming pan to do 18 runers though :( 14:31:06 if you had a rune at the end of the ziggurat that would be a gold -> rune type tradeoff with actual work involved 14:31:07 there should be more uses for gold in lategame 14:31:51 zot:5 shops! 14:34:24 put all demonic runes in shops 14:35:06 the new shop vault code is cool generally, you can make a shop selling the orb of zot for 1 gold :P 14:36:19 you could make a zot:5 shop selling useless items for 1 gold, 2 gold, 4 gold, 8 gold, etc 14:36:27 so that anyone could use up all their gold exactly :P 14:36:57 haha 14:37:02 introduce half-gold coins 14:37:02 souveniers 14:37:34 using up all your gold exactly would be a good idea of course because of the killer leprechauns 14:38:26 you should have a zot 5 shop selling a x2 for 5000 gold 14:38:39 which makes the next game (if you win) 2x harder 14:39:04 enemies have the same hp but all enemy attacks do twice as much damage 14:39:41 just double all HD ;P 14:39:49 yeah that's a better idea 14:40:08 also halve player MR 14:40:10 and then the next game you get a 3x harder 14:40:17 etc 14:40:30 [from base] 14:40:39 then it would be much more fun to do streaks 14:41:25 shop that sells quad damage 14:46:06 yessss quad damage 14:47:48 quad damage as new oka ability 15:00:31 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:25 Hello. Are there any developers of dcss? I came here just to notice that there was a bug report on Japanese dcss BB. 15:04:53 there's a japanese dcss bb? 15:04:57 that's kind of cool 15:05:01 yes. 15:05:22 http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/9358/1273285069/ 15:05:22 there are quite a few developers of dcss 15:06:03 thank goodness for google translate 15:06:16 well im a programmer who made a score board of japanese version of dungeon crawl 15:06:21 developers have voice in here 15:06:34 and found a bug report on the japanese dcss bb. 15:06:45 Original text: 15:06:46 Cheibriados says: Take it easy. 15:06:48 its about the 0.8 in the trunk 15:06:50 oh god, can't stop lauhging 15:07:11 the post 926 15:08:30 "I will start with art teacher mutation Naga ..." 15:08:39 google translate rocks and the art teacher mutation does too 15:08:49 s/he says "I found this bug while plying sprint 4. If you kill a spriggan rider with poison, you will get infinite xps. 15:09:04 ...huh 15:09:09 that's interesting 15:09:13 it is 15:09:39 i can't fathom how that works... there's an XP cap 15:09:47 maybe infinite just means hits cap? 15:09:54 Not only in sprint 4 but also in other maps 15:10:01 it is sprint so hitting xp cap is easy 15:10:25 well, luckily riders aren't (at all or often?) in the main game 15:10:27 possibly someone didn't realize that xp gain is multiplied by 9 or something like that in sprint? 15:10:28 but sounds like something to look into 15:10:30 it doesn't happen with other monsters. 15:10:42 i'll try wizmoding it 15:10:49 maybe because with the spriggan rider you get xp for the spriggan and the giant firefly? i dunno 15:10:49 riders are a little strange so there could be something there, yeah 15:11:16 s/he says s/he cannot speak english well and cannot report by her/himself 15:11:24 @??spriggan rider 15:11:24 spriggan rider (12i) | Speed: 16 | HD: 11 | Health: 35-52 | AC/EV: 1/16 | Damage: 21 | Flags: see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(102) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 1076. 15:11:32 9*1076 is far less than the exp cap 15:12:18 the condition is quite severe so he is sure no one has found it. 15:12:36 don't get it in wizmode 15:12:43 with just a spriggan rider + poisonous cloud 15:12:45 neither do I 15:12:48 hey I did the same thing 15:12:49 thanks 15:12:58 maybe it's sprint only 15:12:59 oh, but... 15:13:06 wait, TGWi, are you actually using latest trunk 15:13:09 no 15:13:20 kilo's changes to XP attribution stuff might have done something 15:13:34 feb 20 15:13:38 yeah you could be right 15:13:41 well i dont have 0.8 now so this is just for your information 15:14:00 worth checking out for realsies, though i'm busy atm 15:14:02 thanks, ainsophyao 15:14:12 indeed 15:14:30 i would be glad if you find this interesting. 15:14:39 and im sorry for my poor english 15:14:49 it's better than a lot of english-speaking crawl players 15:14:50 I'm failing to reproduce this in wizmode in current trunk 15:15:02 in sprint 4 15:16:00 i think the reporter should write more information. 15:16:13 should i ask her/him? 15:16:23 that'd help, yeah 15:16:30 what poison spell was used, whether other stuff was on screen 15:17:14 level, character, class, version 15:36:31 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:38:43 i replied to the post. i think s/he'll answer in 10 hours or so. its 6:38 now in japan. 15:45:06 ainsophyao: thanks for the effort! the best way to reach someone, if no one ends up being around whenever you hear back, is to file an issue on Mantis (our bugtracker) 16:01:25 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:07:23 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:55 -!- makm0rn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31:05 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:15 -!- pointless_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:33 Hobgoblin of air is certainly doing, darts quickly kill kobolds may be rare <3 google translate 17:01:37 not as cool as art teacher mutation 17:03:47 -!- pointless_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.7/20100713130626]] 17:09:21 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:10:11 morning 17:12:21 03MarvinPA * rab8ff3d9a011 10/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc: Change the list of possible effects for the Potion card 17:13:09 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:16 03MarvinPA * r426b27cfc878 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/items.txt: Update deck of wonders description 17:20:09 -!- pointless_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:22 03pointless_ * r235f37ae9277 10/crawl-ref/source/ (dungeon.cc makefile): Allow _add_feat_if_missing to place more than one feat 17:36:12 03pointless_ * r6a6458dfa884 10/crawl-ref/source/makefile: Revert accidentally committed change 17:36:19 I am just messing up left and right lately 17:37:35 It's okay, I'm still in the habit of reviewing all my commits befoire I push. 17:38:30 on the bright side, I may have fixed the orc bubble complaints 17:40:38 hooray! 17:40:57 of course when you use escape hatches, they disappear these days 18:16:16 03j-p-e-g * re03fa36cf6a7 10/crawl-ref/source/ (decks.cc describe.cc): Fix #2722: crash when accessing a buggy deck's description. 18:16:17 03j-p-e-g * r8c7b7bdee2a4 10/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc: Mark a deck as stacked, even if the game is closed in-between. 18:16:21 03j-p-e-g * rcecbc80c6cee 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Fix #2404: Disallow polymorphing monsters taking the stairs. 18:16:41 03j-p-e-g * rce0424a49a1b 10/crawl-ref/source/ (item_use.cc itemname.cc): Fix 2535: "stasis identification check. 18:21:18 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:35:10 MarvinPA: uhm, that Alchemy card would 1. make people turn off gold pickup, 2. give Nemelexites an insta-heal card, since everyone stacks Wonders anyway 18:35:16 -!- kilobyte_ is now known as kilobyte 18:35:42 did you know that elixir card 18:36:01 it doesn't cost any gold if you're not healed though, so i don't see why turning off gold pickup would help any 18:36:07 not in any deck you can get in a quantity 18:36:21 perhaps bad decks should be good 18:37:03 it'd be a no-brainer thing to put all Experiences to front, Alchemies to the middle and Wild Magic to the back 18:37:25 using stack 5 is a no-brainer in general 18:37:30 when you use it 18:37:33 it's already a no-brainer to put wild magic to the back 18:38:00 or rather, draw 3 then stack 5 18:38:02 I agree that it might be overpowered as a healing/MP recovery card for nemelexites, though 18:40:15 hm, perhaps it should just restore one of hp/mp at random 18:45:05 more risky, but since it's a deck type you stack anyway, even if it was mostly worthless, it'd be something you lug when you have plenty of slots or drop (or even draw for piety) otherwise 18:45:23 kilobyte: Can you paste some unicode in? I think I finally got utf-8 working! 18:47:09 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:52:27 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:55:48 to irssi? ISO-8859-1 range: öäëó, -2: ąęść, Cyrillic: бля, symbols: ⸨⸙⸩☺☠, runes: ᛖᚸᛘ, some plane 1 letters: 𝕒𝖇𝒸 18:55:55 -!- Kronusdark has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:30 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:12 -!- Twilight13 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:00:48 kilobyte: Hm, damn. Possibly the font I'm using is incomplete though. 19:01:06 what terminal do you use? 19:01:17 I'm currently using cmd.exe from a Windows work machine. 19:02:02 ah, win32 console... forget about having any semi-decent Unicode support there 19:02:30 sigh. 19:02:39 I really need to find a nice alternate that is not putty. 19:02:56 Does anyone have any recommendations? 19:03:08 the best you can get is switching to Lucida (totally unreadable) or Consolas (Vista/7) which both cover the WGL4 range and nothing more 19:03:35 Isn't there a Java-based terminal emulator that runs on Windows? 19:03:39 courier new is pretty complete, isn't it? 19:03:46 the default (bitmap fonts) is hard-coded to throw away any characters that don't round-trip to whatever 8-bit code page your locale uses 19:04:02 it's what I use to watch horrible unicode heathen 19:04:33 TGWi: you can't select it in win32 console, and again, I don't recall it having much more than WGL4 19:05:12 no idea about Java-based stuff 19:05:54 Hm, apparently cygwin includes rxvt. 19:06:34 kilobyte: nice choice of cyrillic example :) 19:07:30 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:08:10 Guess I'll just have to install Cygwin. 19:10:09 Cygwin's installer is not quite as shitty as it used to be. 19:12:37 -!- TGWi has left ##crawl-dev 19:12:49 I quite doubt their rxvt was made usable, though... I hope I'm wrong, though. 19:16:41 what's the problem you have with putty? 19:17:53 Most of my code is local. 19:18:12 (I'd rather just use my Linux machine but I'm working on cross-platform compatability at the minute and I know it works there.) 19:19:20 ah 19:20:38 BTW, looking through putty's feature/bug reports, I noticed it claims support for font substitution starting from win2k. It doesn't work for me, except for win7, though. I wonder why. 19:26:37 -!- Twilight-1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:29:15 -!- pointless_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.7/20100713130626]] 19:55:08 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:57:22 -!- Kronusdark has quit [Quit: Kronusdark] 20:12:21 We need a "Mammon" unique. 20:12:47 due: as a in-dungeon & unique, maybe? 20:24:56 D&D used various demon names and threw them around without any sense or consistency 20:25:08 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon 20:25:32 "Mammon" would be a cool name for the Greed God, too. 20:26:06 is Juiblex one of the jiyva randomnames yet 20:26:22 03kilobyte * rb47804f0aa2b 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des: Bat zombies have tiles, no need to exclude them from the showcase ("rotten bat"). 20:26:26 yeah, unlike Chronos, there was no actual god by that name... 20:26:39 03kilobyte * r4c3388865af7 10/crawl-ref/source/ (4 files in 3 dirs): A tile for air mages. 20:26:59 Christianity used to label all other gods as "demons" but this one is their genuine invention 20:27:13 Yeah. 20:27:37 kilobyte: for crazy meta hilarity, look up Prosperity Doctrine 20:27:54 it is a (mainly USian) christian thing 20:28:37 http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/a-picture-of-idolatry/ 20:28:48 like, *seriously*. That picture. 20:30:16 rotfl... 20:30:21 "christian", heh 20:30:25 Strong's Concordance suggests "Mammonas". 20:30:31 But perhaps that's too similar to Mennas. 20:30:48 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:06 due: unless they're brothers! 20:31:19 True! 20:31:43 "Etymologically, the word is assumed to derive from Late Latin 'mammon', from Greek 'μαμμωνάς', Syriac 'mámóna' (riches), and was an Aramaic loan word in Hebrew meaning wealth" 20:32:15 the Latin/English spelling fits better IMO 20:32:21 (we should totally have a unique fiddle-playing red devil 4) 20:32:32 <3 20:32:45 heck, name him Johnny. dpeg need never find out 20:32:57 Strong's has μαμμςνς. 20:33:21 Er, μαμμωνας. 20:33:31 And that still doesn't render properly :/ 20:34:09 * kilobyte wanted to add a pseudo-unique named Boruta (Polish folk devil, always pictured in a swamp among willows) and put him, well, in the Swamp among a bunch of willow-tiled trees 20:34:23 but pseudo-uniques confuse players 20:34:38 due: looks just fine to me, even what you pasted 20:35:01 kilobyte: i really, really want to add treefolk to swamp 20:35:04 Typed it with Greek interface. :) 20:35:12 lacks the accent on ά, but are Greek letters supposed to have accents in the first place? 20:35:25 Yes. 20:35:57 Modern Greek has a single accent -- the tonos -- which is a direct descendent of the variety of tone-marking accents that were a Byzantine/1st century Greek introduction. 20:36:11 Well, slightly earlier, but the Byzantines codified the system for writing. 20:36:49 There's two breathing marks (rough and soft), the circumflex, acute and grave, diaresis to denote where hiatus does not take place, and a couple of other mixed ones for tone. 20:36:59 The stressing in Ancient Greek is ... weirder than weird. 20:37:47 my only knowledge of Greek comes from symbols used for variables in maths... and what I was taught didn't have any 20:38:09 did the Greek language change a lot? 20:38:31 'there are non-dead languages that haven't?' 20:39:19 like, earliest extant written things in Polish are pretty understandable... but in English, if you go even a few hundred years it is nearly incomprehensible 20:39:38 I'm told Beowulf is much easier to read by Germans than by English 20:40:49 Modern Greek is completely different to ancient greek. 20:41:26 But Beowulf is written in Anglo-Saxon, whose inflection and lexicon have a lot more in common with German than English. 20:42:38 yeah, you had two languages then 20:43:06 one of the germanic invaders, and one (ok, several) totally unrelated celtic ones 20:43:27 in my english class, we got to watch a neat video where someone went to go buy a cow... using old english 20:44:07 turns out there's a regional dialect that's still compatible enough for that 20:58:24 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:00:34 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:38 -!- Twilight-1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:06:06 Jordan7hm (L4 TrMo) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 800 failed. (D:3) 21:06:16 Jordan7hm (L4 TrMo) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 800 failed. (D:3) 21:06:28 that assert still isn't fixed? 21:06:40 Jordan7hm (L4 TrMo) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 800 failed. (D:3) 21:08:14 03MarvinPA * r40231167834c 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/entry/entry_twisted.des: Remove an orc priest from an entry vault 21:08:25 03MarvinPA * r89c193ba6c49 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/entry/entry_small.des: Tweak minmay_entry_blink_away to be less confusing to new players 21:08:26 03MarvinPA * r6a00c1e6acd4 10/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc: Alchemist card adjustments 21:11:58 Jordan7hm (L4 TrMo) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 800 failed. (D:3) 21:12:03 Jordan7hm (L4 TrMo) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 800 failed. (D:3) 21:12:45 should I create an error report for that or is it seen / known / reported already? 21:15:03 -!- OG17 has quit [] 21:15:19 you could look on mantis to see if someone has already reported it 21:16:52 yeah I'm looking through for it 21:23:35 -!- Twilight has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:01 -!- Twilight is now known as Guest34072 21:24:35 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:01 CTD: Checking info with ! at Elyvilon altar (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3527) by 7hm 21:31:23 elyvilon detailed info text is probably just too long 21:32:09 -!- Moriasc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:38:36 -!- Guest34072 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:04 -!- Guest34072 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:10:23 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:11 [20:34] The wolf claws the wolf but does no damage. You slash the helpless wolf! You kill the wolf! Vehumet accepts your kill. You feel your power returning. You kill the spriggan! Vehumet accepts your kill. You feel your power returning. You have reached level 15! Your experience leads to an increase in your attributes! You feel clever. You feel stronger. You have reached level 16! You have reached level 17! Y 22:40:11 [20:34] You feel clever. You have reached level 19! You have reached level 20! You feel stronger. You have reached level 21! Your experience leads to an increase in your attributes! You feel stronger. You have reached level 22! You have reached level 23! You have reached level 24! Your experience leads to an increase in your attributes! You feel clever. You have reached level 25! You feel stronger. You have re 22:40:21 just in case he doesn't post a bug report. did all of that paste? 22:40:40 (if it didn't, he killed a spriggan on lair 8 and somehow went from level 14 to 27) 22:40:42 it cuts off 22:41:39 @??spriggan 22:41:40 spriggan (15i) | Speed: 16 | HD: 7 | Health: 15-27 | AC/EV: 1/20 | Damage: 10 | Flags: see invisible | Res: 06magic(65) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 305. 22:41:45 That's a bit messed up. 22:42:21 20:37:29 < elliptic> coyo7e: were you using meph? 22:42:22 20:37:41 < elliptic> or any source of poison? 22:42:22 20:37:41 < coyo7e_> yep and a lightning bolted a bunch of trees 22:42:30 relevant? 22:43:52 it would be sad if that character becomes his first win in crawl 22:44:53 someone came in earlier to do a bug report with spriggan riders giving infinite XP in sprint 22:45:28 we couldn't replicate it, but didn't try that hard since it was the only report thus far 22:46:07 hmm, could figure out what coyo7e was doing by using !lm -tv I think 22:46:17 I don't know the syntax for that though 22:46:23 does the rider code get run for just riders, or anything genus spriggan? because that'd be one place i might check 22:47:09 could get the lair ending milestone and play to the end (and terminate it after getting to the buggy bit) 22:48:11 yeah 22:48:18 I wouldn't mind watching that, I dont know how to pull it up though 22:48:23 Eronarn: no, just riders. 22:48:33 hmm 22:48:45 well, the last one was riders killed with poison 22:48:46 !lm coyo7e br.end=lair -tv:>$ 22:48:47 18. coyo7e, XL14 HuWz, T:29258 (milestone) requested for FooTV. 22:48:55 so i guess look at poison next 22:49:21 my own guess is that it might have something to do with kilo's XP changes, since both reports happened today 22:49:32 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:17 that's my guess too 22:52:57 oh yeah I think I used some evap'd potions of poison/strong poison too 22:53:24 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:30 he cast meph on the spriggan by the looks of this ttyrec 22:53:57 oh it's evaporate yeah 22:54:03 Well, someone kill a spriggan in the main game and see what hanppens 22:54:40 most of these spriggans are giving him normal xp 22:55:17 i killed one with pois in wizmode, and nothing 22:55:20 but my trunk was out of date 22:55:48 ok that ttyrec ended before the glitchy part 22:57:52 I still can't replicate this in wizmode 23:19:27 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:24:14 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 23:41:52 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:45:38 -!- jarpiain has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:45:38 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:45:39 -!- jbenedet1o has joined ##crawl-dev 23:45:43 -!- jarpiain has joined ##crawl-dev 23:49:03 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]