00:03:55 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:10:08 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=757 00:10:12 these should be included in the game somewhere 00:27:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:42:44 moin 00:55:51 evening 01:21:50 Morning Napkin! 01:22:14 g'morning Eino! :) 01:23:44 great you figured out how to reproduce that crash :) 01:26:54 the crawl website (mantis/wiki/forum) still gets about 30 new registrations a week! 02:40:29 Growth! 02:40:42 I got one of those new Orc:4 vaults, they're awesome to have. 02:41:19 I had one with all crossbows and stuff. Pretty cool with the new ranged AI. :) 02:58:47 yeah, the new orc mines endings are really cool :) 03:01:00 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:10:25 Calling BiA and then ducking behind a corner feels pretty un-Trog-worthy. :P 03:17:41 you usually call BiA then run the hell away :p 03:19:29 that's just wrong!! 03:19:40 Make them disappear when you go out of LOS! 03:19:45 Alternately: 03:19:48 they should go poof the moment you take a step away from your enemey :P 03:19:52 about levitation speed: any gains in walking speed: MUT_FAST (felid +1, centaur +2, spriggan +3), boots of speed, etc apply to all modes of movement -- including levitation or wading 03:19:55 You can only summon BiA while you are berserk. 03:20:21 although only swiftness has an _additional_ bonus with flight 03:20:24 (That would be an interesting nerf.) 03:21:12 so do MUT_SLOW, naganess or ponderousity 03:21:56 BiA is currently pretty much a win button, although berserk exhaustion tends to need that to survive 03:22:08 due: That would be pretty interesting 03:22:13 Or berserk/exhausted. 03:22:48 Not Exh; you should be using your panic button before you panic 03:23:00 Berserker - the choice of careful planners 03:23:06 :) 03:23:17 Well, being able to access Trog abilities while berserk would also make a bit of sense. I dunno. 03:23:48 kilobyte: So.. the information that levitation is fast for me is essentially useless? If it's the same as walking speed for everyone? 03:24:17 I mean I get the light magenta Lev, like underburdened kenku 03:25:33 doesn't lev colour depend on source or something 03:25:36 uhm, unburdened kenku is lightblue, right? 03:25:40 that too 03:25:58 lightmagenta lev from rings, white from boots, lightblue from spell, iirc 03:26:18 I think it's blue from rings, no? 03:26:22 I can never remember. 03:26:23 might have spell/rings mixed up 03:26:35 Heh, there's more Trog piety in Crypt now that skeletal warriors are actual spellcasters. 03:26:52 kilobyte: Ah ok, I probably was just confused. :| 03:27:03 sry 03:30:30 interesting, uninterruptive levitation is lightblue, uninterruptible flight is lightmagenta 03:31:56 that must be it 03:32:19 I probably got confused because I was using the ring but then drank a potion to extend it 03:41:14 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:54:24 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:54:35 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:09:31 -!- blackflare has joined ##crawl-dev 04:15:21 -!- Zao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:20:05 -!- Zao has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:22 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:10:25 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:15:23 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:17:21 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 05:24:28 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:25:43 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:03 Spell success goes *down* after spell skills went up via Transfer Learning (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3518) by bein 05:36:26 03kilobyte * r4d95007bfd12 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Fix an autofight-not-included crash (greensnark) 05:45:24 for autofight: I don't think it would be controversial to include it in the default config, apart from an usual bikeshed shoutfest about which key to bind it to. 05:45:51 at least a few people use Tab, and I'm biased towards it since it is what I use myself 05:46:38 thus: Tab -> autofight, Shift-Tab -> autofight_nomove (some people prefer the latter). Would that be ok? 05:48:19 soudns fine (of course i have mapped tab for other stuff already) 05:49:25 Keskitalo, as per the bug report, uses 0, but that is already bound to repeat in the default config 05:51:51 * is pretty useful for autofight if you use numpad movement 05:53:19 do laptops have it? 05:53:55 otherwise, it's a good alternative, even though it doesn't accept shift nor ctrl 05:54:30 * is shift 8 on my laptop 05:54:43 numrow 8, that is 05:55:06 heh, the '*' key :p 05:56:07 laptop keyboards are hardly a notch above n900's one -- useful for a brief task at a customer's place, but not for any prolonged work :p 05:57:52 tab seems like a sensibile default, yes; I prefer spacebar myself (and tab for nomove) but that would be pretty ridiculous as the default 06:06:19 tag for autofight? 06:06:23 er, tab for autofight? 06:06:26 that makes a lot of sense 06:06:29 tab complete, autocomplete, etc. 06:07:46 O might also make sense if open wasn't on it (why does open exist?) 06:09:04 btw, why does Crawl not have a command for "fight invisible monster in doorway, but don't move if there isn't a monster there"? 06:09:11 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:09:15 it would have come in useful a while ago 06:09:36 control-direction doesn't work because it's interpreted as "close door" 06:13:41 hrm dammit, keybindings work differently on all ports (console vs win32-console vs tiles), can't finish that now :( 06:14:00 having tiles actually, you know, portable, would be a nifty thing 06:17:29 it uses SDL, doesn't it? so it shouldn't be that difficult to make it portable, apart from the build system? 06:18:42 -!- Nexos has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:06 it uses some GL hacks atop SDL 06:21:12 Hmm... I'm in Abyss, invoke "Cleansing Flame" and TSO gets angry when a (hostile) black draconian caller is hit. WTF?!? 06:21:39 Nexos: sounds like a bug 06:21:56 Nexos: was it unaware of you or confused? 06:22:28 why would that matter? 06:22:39 Hmm... a swamp drake confused some monsters 06:22:50 maybe that's the explanation then 06:23:10 but doesn't cleansing flame only harm creatures tso detests? 06:23:13 draconians are sentient, so TSO requires you to fight chivalrously 06:23:16 therefore it soldn't matter if they're helpless? 06:23:47 due: it harms everyone who doesn't worship a good god, creatures detested are hit more 06:23:55 ahh 06:24:16 you should probably at least get a warning 06:24:22 "Really ask your god to attack someone helpless?" 06:24:56 it can, too 06:25:05 as explosion sizers have tracers 06:25:45 just like: kill an angel and TSO blasts you with cleansing flame, do that while worshipping Makhleb -> extra damage, do that as a Mu/Vp/Gh/lich in 0.6 -> game over 06:26:38 our targetting interface is very flaky when it comes to explosions 06:27:09 -!- Nexos has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:27:22 it fails for anything that's not a non-bouncing possibly-missing beam 06:38:32 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 06:39:01 -!- evilmike has quit [] 06:40:37 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:40:38 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41:25 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56:11 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 06:58:52 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:45 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:07:18 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:58 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:07 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:05 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:12:29 kilobyte: re: autofight key, '+' would be nicely near 'o' at least in Finnish layout 08:12:56 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:57 but tab sounds fine 08:23:54 -!- hayenne has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:21 once i thought kirke was cool.. giving her summon very ugly brown things sucks 09:09:56 hey hayenne? 09:11:31 hey Napkin! 09:12:02 I've got some notification, that your forum account is marked as "inactive" 09:12:16 after some investigation I saw, that you changed your email address 09:12:31 wondering - did you get an email asking to confirm this? 09:15:18 I've got an activation link (as admin) and clicked it, since the change seemed legit. Just wondering if you got one, too, hayenne? 09:15:45 aye, it's perfectly okay now. thanks! 09:22:43 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:03 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:28:10 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:34 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:08:28 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:04 game crash ASSERT(!you.turn_is_over) in 'state cc' at line 171 failed (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3519) by Robsoie 11:02:15 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:08:33 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:57 03kilobyte * r853f7aeeaa68 10/crawl-ref/source/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Bind Tab to autofight, shift-Tab to autofight_nomove. 11:13:35 03kilobyte * r3ccb189768a6 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/traps.des: Increase the weight of spider traps, tag them "extra". 11:13:43 03kilobyte * r2b630105aade 10/crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc: Don't match unrands of handedness different than requested. 11:25:53 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:04 am i alone in thinking the placement of XL is horrible 11:43:35 probably 11:44:16 since you are mostly the king of extreme expressions, Eronarn ;-P 11:44:28 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:25 it is quite ugly 12:00:25 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:03:59 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:19:08 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:13 03MarvinPA * r75cf9cf0bfb0 10/crawl-ref/source/ng-setup.cc: Minor Pr, DK, He background tweaks 12:24:23 03MarvinPA * r198d40b103a9 10/crawl-ref/ (docs/crawl_manual.txt source/itemprop.cc): Limit bardings to +4 enchantment (using the same rule as body armour) 12:31:25 Napkin: king? nay, i am a resplendent emperor, clad in cloth-of-gold and Tyrian purple, sitting atop a throne of purest hyperbole and exaggeration 12:31:32 (really though, it's rather ugly) 12:31:57 hehe 12:32:03 don't know about ugly 12:32:18 but it was a bit inconvenient in the beginning 12:33:03 but seems like there is too little room, as always 12:33:05 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:57 maybe it would work to put it right of "Str: nn"? 12:34:12 maybe; there was a thread on mantis with a bunch of examples 12:34:19 this one wasn't the worst but i don't think it's the best either 12:35:44 not entirely sure - but i think MarvinPA did that change? maybe you could convince him with better examples 12:36:03 too busy convincing him to commit my trample changes 12:36:10 hehe 12:36:43 can we put the level in the title again please 12:37:04 calling his other changes horrible is probably not helping with those trample patches ;) 12:37:13 -!- blackflare has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:14 casmith789: there's no roooooom 12:37:35 sure there is, there was before 12:38:02 piety wasn't up there before 12:38:11 imo level is more important 12:38:15 make a new line with xl + background 12:38:17 MarvinPA: commit trample changes, monster renames, summ spell name changes, and imp changes kthx 12:38:43 does monster renames include fruit bat 12:38:45 what are all of those 12:38:56 except trample changes, i know there's actually a patch for that 12:39:20 monster renames: dragon, imp, fiend, probably a few others that i can't recall offhand 12:39:53 summ name changes: way too much "call" and "summon" 12:39:55 basically eronarn doesn't like "imp" because stuff like "white imp" exists 12:40:49 do you have better suggestions for the summoning spells? i agree that the book of summonings looks a bit silly with like 5 different "summon foo" spells 12:41:09 imp changes: slightly alter them to be more about annoyance/distraction, so call imp fills what in other games would be a "taunt" sort of role 12:41:12 MarvinPA: get rid of all other spells but summon small mammals 12:41:32 MarvinPA: i could probably come up with some sure it depends how flowery we want them i guess 12:42:14 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:44 Call Canine Familiar: drop the 'Call' 12:47:26 Summon Elemental: change this to Bind (the element is already there and you're binding a spirit to it to make it move) 12:49:48 Summon Butterflies, Call Imp, Summon Scorpion, Summon Ice Beast, Summon Demon, Demonic Horde, Summon Ugly Thing, Haunt, SGD, Malign Gateway, SHT, Summon Dragon, Summon Hydra (just getting the other ones listed) 12:50:55 change Summon Demon and Summon Greater Demon to Call or something, it sounds more demonic 12:51:23 call doesn't sound very demonic to me :P 12:53:17 SHT => Rite of Insanity or something like that 12:54:41 SUT => Repulsive (Something?) 12:55:29 Skitter of Scorpions? 13:07:01 !lm Napkin 13:07:02 2073. [2011-02-28] Napkin the Spry (L18 DDNe) killed Margery on turn 78829. (Vault:2) 13:07:07 !log Napkin 13:07:08 753. Napkin, XL18 DDNe, T:79712: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Napkin/morgue-Napkin-20110228-190612.txt 13:07:41 oh... !lm and !log show different chars? 13:08:06 no... !lm is your last milestone, !log is the log for your last game (!lg) 13:08:45 ah, ic, thanks 13:09:18 that was another stupid death *sigh* 13:20:06 not being able to see your attack speed when using slings/bows/crossbows is sad 13:30:00 Shoals - level 3 - I can see the open sea on the borders (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3520) by XuaXua 13:55:08 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:09 -!- Moriasc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:33 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:16 napkin: I got your DDNe ghost with my mummy and it is scary (dispel undead) 14:10:42 ouch 14:10:42 ddne ghosts: pertinent to crawl development 14:25:19 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:13 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:52:20 03j-p-e-g * r2473fd9fc6cb 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mon-data.h mon-stuff.cc monster.cc): Polymorphed uniques may only cast spells if they can speak. 15:00:07 yay 15:02:12 sigmund nerf 15:02:22 yet again 15:02:30 grinder >>>>> sigmund 15:02:30 all hail grinder 15:02:34 heh 15:02:39 except that grinder is dum 15:06:30 someone redo grinder's flavor 15:06:31 it's so bad 15:15:32 labyrinth crashing (may be ashenzari related) (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3521) by Brain 15:33:11 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:34:25 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:08 can i still cast spells when kirke makes me a hog? 15:46:31 *turns me into one 15:47:12 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:48:45 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:59 -!- edlothiol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:59 nope 16:05:47 Sacrificing weapons to Elyvilon no longer gives piety (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3522) by evilmike 16:06:20 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:12:31 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:24 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:31:34 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:37 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:25 03dolorous * r2c3c70fcb2a2 10/crawl-ref/source/godprayer.cc: Fix Mantis 3522. 16:47:13 -!- pointless_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:47 -!- bf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:51 -!- makm0rn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:53 -!- stabwound_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:54 so I generated a key using ssh-keygen, then pasted the contents of the public key file into gitorious, and it gave me this error: 1 error prohibited this ssh key from being saved There were problems with the following fields: * Key does not appear to be a valid public key 17:05:30 -!- TGWi1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:01 -!- kilobyte_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:17 -!- Eronarn_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:01 -!- blackflare has quit [*.net *.split] 17:08:01 -!- upsy has quit [*.net *.split] 17:08:01 -!- TGWi has quit [*.net *.split] 17:08:01 -!- Henzell has quit [*.net *.split] 17:08:02 -!- Sequell has quit [*.net *.split] 17:08:02 -!- MakMorn has quit [*.net *.split] 17:08:02 -!- OG17 has quit [*.net *.split] 17:08:03 -!- kilobyte has quit [*.net *.split] 17:08:03 -!- stabwound has quit [*.net *.split] 17:08:03 -!- Eronarn has quit [*.net *.split] 17:08:04 -!- stabwound_ is now known as stabwound 17:08:04 -!- stabwound has quit [Changing host] 17:08:04 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:05 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:52 -!- Jordan7hm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:41 -!- Eronarn_ is now known as Eronarn 17:10:45 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:27 -!- kilobyte_ is now known as kilobyte 17:13:59 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:50 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:21:55 -!- TGWi1 is now known as TGWi 17:26:10 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:38:37 -!- eith has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 17:39:08 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:22 03dolorous * r38ccdefff72f 10/crawl-ref/source/command.cc: Remove unnecessary spaces. 17:54:39 I successfully uploaded an ssh key to gitorious, but it is not marked as "ready" and doing git pull or whatever doesn't work 17:55:42 it will be "ready" after 60 seconds or so 17:55:48 at least it was for me 17:55:49 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:21 pointless_: Sorry it took me a few hours to add you! Work :( 17:56:37 that's fine, I wasn't trying to do anything until now 17:56:40 :) 17:57:10 well I uploaded the key like 20 minutes ago and it's still not marked as ready 17:58:22 :/ 17:58:41 There's a contact us if your key is not "ready" within a reasonable time-frame link around on one of the pages... I think 18:02:58 kilobyte: banished monsters (via distortion weapon) seem to be giving some xp, which I believe is new... is this a consequence of your recent xp changes, and is this intentional? 18:03:25 they give exp for what damage you already dealt I think 18:03:54 yeah, that's what it seems like 18:03:56 iirc it's a bug that he was planning on adding as a feature anyway 18:04:23 it's a new feature 18:04:46 it feels rather strange that you get xp for it, but okay 18:08:06 it ... sorta makes sense in an odd way, but i'm unsure 18:08:59 I feel like if the monster got banished, then whatever damage you may have done was worthless and shouldn't be giving you xp 18:11:28 balance rationale: no one uses distortion since it robs you of a majority of xp 18:11:29 elliptic: Isn't it experiencing to have battled something? 18:11:45 then you should get the experience when you do the damage 18:11:51 if that's the rationale 18:12:00 kilobyte: sure, I don't mind it from a balance standpoint 18:12:07 well this is annoying. I'm going to e-mail gitorious support 18:12:07 elliptic: That'd be awesome if you could heal enemies :D 18:12:38 theme rationale^Whandwaving: most beings can be assumed to be killed in the Abyss. Of course, this is not actually the case with our great brotherhood of monsters. 18:13:18 this rationale might be flaky, of course 18:13:23 I use distortion when I'm not trying to kill things (distortion isn't for killing) 18:14:00 it's vaguely useful for elliptic-style ninjaing things at xl11, yeah 18:16:06 I mostly don't use it when I want to kill everything because of the blinking and teleporting though 18:16:09 since they are annoying 18:16:19 yeah 18:16:32 blinking might be useful for conjurers for getting stuff out of the way for more blasting but I don't play those 18:16:32 yeah it's awful 18:16:35 i never use distortion 18:19:56 I like distortion on lugonites 18:20:10 and sometimes I get stuck with it early game and it is okay then 18:20:16 but aside from that I don't use it 18:21:56 blinking is ok even if it makes some fights tricky, teleporting is a PITA 18:22:18 perhaps teleporting could be replaced with 'removal from time' 18:22:27 they disappear, then reappear several turns later 18:22:28 for regular play that is, not for ninjaing Zot:5 18:22:39 zot:5/everything 18:23:01 eronarn's idea is good 18:31:06 oh now my ssh key is ready, good thing I didn't finish writing that e-mail 18:36:40 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:03 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:41:22 -!- TGWi has left ##crawl-dev 18:41:50 -!- Eronarn is now known as TGWi 18:56:04 -!- TGWi is now known as Eronarn 19:03:54 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:02 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:16 so Compass is defined in main.cc, how does it get exposed and used in other cc files? 19:29:23 directn.h has a header 19:29:50 oh I see 19:34:09 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 19:37:59 -!- ZChris13 is now known as ZCHRIS13 19:38:35 -!- ZCHRIS13 is now known as zchris13 19:53:47 -!- valrus is now known as Valrus 19:54:14 -!- Valrus is now known as valrus 19:54:46 -!- pointless_ is now known as Pointless 19:55:12 -!- Pointless is now known as pointless 19:58:51 -!- pointless is now known as pointless_ 20:05:11 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:17:30 -!- zchris13 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:44:01 it'd be cool if the game still had normal mosquitos for vaults though, it's pretty unthematic for lair to be full of undead and so on 20:44:11 and the balance gets thrown off 20:44:35 I thought I had actually turned down vampire mosquito generation. 20:44:52 they're in the frog end, I think 20:45:06 they're good in swamp and all 20:45:33 Well, they can get removed from the frog end. 20:45:53 anyway, I am off! 20:46:25 frogs eat mosquito larvae anyways 20:46:36 true photocopy! 20:47:00 well, that is a rather derived statement 20:49:15 mosquitos are fitting for a swampish-themed lair, undead ones less so 20:49:45 not even sure if there's any fly-type monsters to use instead 20:50:26 dragonflies would be cute 20:51:16 vampire mosquitos being a separate monster would fix a lot and keep every mosquito vault from needing updating and losing flavor 20:52:02 making mosquitos undead was a weird blanket change 20:52:33 undead blowflies, at that 20:56:02 well, we could maybe stand to have a more generic y monster 20:56:16 blowflies and mosquitos were too close 20:57:18 i don't like 'mosquito' 'vampire mosquito' though, blowfly sucks, dragonfly is only appropriate for lair/swamp and not sewers 20:58:51 there's nothing wrong with calling old mosquitos blowflies 20:59:23 though the concept that every mosquito in the game has turned vampiric is a bit silly 21:00:10 OG17: the idea is that it's a normal mosquito that is so bloated with blood that it's gigantic 21:00:23 mosquito swarms will go in when swarms do 21:00:27 (if) 21:00:35 it's so bloated that it's undead 21:00:40 it is undead and also bloated 21:00:55 a normal undead bloated mosquito 21:00:58 yes 21:01:00 as opposed to a giant one 21:01:03 which would be even bigger 21:01:16 anyways, i don't like blowflies as a monster name is all 21:01:21 surely we can do better 21:01:24 not sure where size was mentioned 21:01:29 also what's wrong with blowflies 21:01:44 kind of boring 21:01:54 it's a fly 21:01:56 mosquitos were okay except for the 'giant' part 21:02:37 so they were replaced by giant vampires 21:03:15 there's lots of types of flies if there's a demand for an agate-style name 21:03:25 but a fly/mosquito is handy to have 21:03:34 as shown by all the vaults that used it previously 21:03:50 "all the vaults" isn't a huge number or anything but still 21:04:02 right yeah i just would prefer a different name than bringing back blowflies 21:04:06 there is clearly still a need for 2 monsters 21:04:18 rather than merging into 1 we'll end up with 2 still but 1 very different than it ws 21:04:33 also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_skipper 21:05:57 that is a pretty lame specialization 21:06:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorpionfly 21:06:28 read first paragraph, give scorpionflies a sting attack 21:06:49 but what if I know what a scorpionfly is 21:07:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesh_fly 21:07:07 an actual thing? cool 21:07:19 really don't get the aversion to blowfly 21:07:45 it's supposed to be a generic pest-type insect that shows up in unpleasant areas 21:08:01 instead of this superspecialized stuff 21:08:13 just don't like the name!! 21:09:02 what about bluebottle 21:09:50 that's better 21:10:09 hurray 21:10:12 gadfly is good too i think 21:10:36 yeah 21:10:43 or horsefly, that sort of thing 21:10:45 normal flies 21:10:48 'soldierfly' is apparently a thing 21:13:42 (megafly) 21:15:16 rename giant mites to macromite 21:35:07 -!- frogfrog has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:55 -!- frogfrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:49:54 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:55 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:46 -!- pointless_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.7/20100713130626]] 22:14:03 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:34:32 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:03 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:04 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:33 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56:26 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:26 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:21:47 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:28 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:41:40 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:42:22 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 23:45:12 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev