00:11:59 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:18:30 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:16 03hyperelliptical * r657d8beadbe8 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/ (clua/lm_trove.lua des/portals/trove.des): Trove price changes. 00:44:27 03MarvinPA * r9d8a9bff0b1f 10/crawl-ref/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Remove paladins at the next major save version 00:44:35 :( 00:44:37 fix TSO 00:49:25 -!- Pedjt has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:54:46 We're removing Paladins? 00:54:52 I suppose they are kinda boring. 00:55:20 i liked them 00:55:24 moin :) 00:56:17 paladins would be fine if TSO had a generally useful low-level ability (he doesn't though, divine shield doesn't count) 00:56:39 see invisible? 00:56:53 ignore that i said that 00:57:04 Napkin: the sinv/acc are very marginal and offset by the no poison 00:57:06 no time to read your arguing :-P 00:57:10 jaja 00:57:12 i knew 00:57:30 for some reason i knew there would be a _very_ ;) 00:57:40 need coffee first o/ 00:57:51 i was bitten by a lawyer and now when the moon is full i transform into an internet arguer 00:58:33 :( 00:58:40 poor Eronarn 00:58:43 * due weeps for Eronarn 01:13:52 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:28 commits, please ;) 01:39:43 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:29 cruz (L3 FeAE) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 797 failed. (D:2) 02:05:38 cruz (L3 FeAE) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 797 failed. (D:2) 02:29:54 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:56 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:44:20 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:57 commits, please ;) 03:21:05 does the hook only act on master branch commits? otherwise you could set up a test branch and commit yourself 04:24:06 it acts on all branches 04:24:30 but if i setup a testing branch, i'll mess up the mirroring 04:24:41 too much hassle ;) 04:36:14 03kilobyte 07ashtier * r1d2347f3803e 10/Makefile: Recompile on 'make'. 04:36:48 thank you 04:40:54 sorry for not watching IRC. It's a pity you had to wait... and any commit, even "put a blank line there" then "revert addition of the blank line" would be enough. 04:40:54 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 04:42:58 moni 04:43:01 I meant moin 04:54:00 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:58:56 !seen galehar 04:58:56 I last saw galehar at Fri Feb 18 08:44:20 2011 UTC (2h 14m 36s ago) joining the channel. 04:59:08 hey 04:59:53 dpeg: if you want to tell me something, be quick, because I'm about to leave (lunch break) 05:02:06 galehar: not urgent 05:02:19 Yesterday my Go teacher approached me that he wants to play Crawl. 05:02:32 So we did that, and I played/saw tiles for the first time :) 05:02:38 And now I have a billion ideas! 05:02:51 [end of transmission] 05:02:55 ok 05:03:27 regarding mouse interface, but as I said, nothing urgent 05:03:32 there are already a lot of them on the wiki (and in my head). Much more than I have the time to code. 05:03:50 yes, probably... I always ignored this, hiding in my comfy console shell 05:03:52 hi 05:03:54 Hi 05:04:13 dpeg: you can pull ok? :) 05:04:20 my priority with the tiles interface is to make the mouse control smooth. Because it is a prerequisite for porting crawl to a touch interface device. 05:04:40 due: yes! Even pushed by now :) Many thankse! 05:04:58 galehar: I will read up on what the wiki says and then approach you again, okay? 05:05:06 sure 05:05:08 lunch break now. See you later. 05:05:09 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:13 Malte was very happy with the interface, but there's clearly things that can be done... 05:05:20 we need to prioritise alright 05:09:49 !seen doy 05:09:50 I last saw doy at Sun Dec 12 17:54:14 2010 UTC (9w 4d 17h 15m 36s ago) parting ##crawl with message chanpart. 05:10:17 One missing piece of information hit me right away: we should get those piety *'s on the main screen asap. 05:16:48 kilobyte: the real confusing thing is, that nat didn't tell me that he enabled the address to post :-O Still don't know whether it's temporary permission or if the address it on the white list now 05:17:25 Napkin: so he replied to you... good 05:17:29 but I'll let it run like that 05:17:40 no, he didn't, dpeg ;) 05:17:53 ah, I begin to understand 05:19:36 I have no idea how Nat and Peter feel... they may hate us (or me) because we booted them out, I wouldn't know. 05:19:49 CK will be removed too? 05:19:56 Napkin: just CK^Makhleb 05:20:13 Xom and Lugonu are okay 05:20:29 Napkin: I guess you love CK^M? 05:23:30 well, i like it, yeah.. I liked Paladin too 05:23:43 We don't do this to hurt you, trust me :O 05:24:03 lol 05:24:45 you boot devs out? sounds a bit harsh, or are you exaggerating 05:25:01 RjY: it is more complicated 05:25:13 Nat and Peter have never been developers in the sense of design/code. 05:25:14 just saying.. pity to see variety of choice go 05:25:24 Napkin: I can explain, if you want me to. 05:26:15 RjY: However, they did set up the infrastructure (subversion on SF; mailing list) at a time when there was virtually no Crawl development. I believe this made it easier for Erik and Darshan to get DCSS started. 05:26:16 Nah, I trust you guys to do the right thing 05:26:42 Napkin: if you wonder about certain discussions, drop me a line. I'll explain patiently, and auf deutsch. 05:27:08 dpeg: ah right, so they're more like system administrators than developers :) 05:27:19 crawl-ref used to be "crawl-reference", meaning a repository of the 4.0.0b26 code at the time that Brent Ross was keeping the Crawl development under the radar. 05:27:38 RjY: For the longest time, they were very hesitant to assign SF administrator rights to anyone, not even to Darshan (who is Crawl more than anyone, on par with Linley and Brent, if you ask me). 05:27:42 RjY: yes 05:28:02 So at some point I got those rights... and then I used them. 05:28:08 DCSS was a branch in the repository for a while, then it became the trunk. 05:28:21 Keskitalo: Hallo! 05:28:28 Hallo hallo. :) 05:28:59 * dpeg feels dirty. He has played tiles and needs to undergo an ordeal of purification by killing thousand console characters in one hour. 05:30:24 :-) 05:31:52 bhaak: My Go teacher was the one who gave me a Nethack disk... about three hundred years ago 05:32:06 And it was a relevation. 05:32:43 dpeg: and now you've been so kind and gave him another addictive timewaster? 05:33:13 i wonder, have Go and RL something in common? 05:33:27 bhaak: no no! He approached me by telling me that we're now playing Crawl. (Before/after Go, we used to play computer games, since ever. HoMM, Wizardry, stuff like that.) 05:34:11 dpeg: did he know that you are involved in crawl's development? 05:34:23 yes, and jpeg too (he knows her) 05:34:39 now that you tasted blood, are you going to urge online tiles play? 05:34:52 I always urged online tiles play. 05:35:34 when playing sprint, the "TAB - dungeon_sprint_1" should be parsed and show something like "Red Sonja" or "Sprint I" instead 05:35:34 Just because tiles are evil, that's not a reason to not push it. Zucker für den Affen... das hab ich jetzt nicht gesagt :) 05:36:10 lol. nobody understands that moon language anyway :) 05:38:08 ofc, you welcome a patch for online tiles but I haven't seen any serious development for it in the core dev team. There were always more pressing issues so far 05:38:45 bhaak: no, that's not quite true. 05:38:46 there aren't enough serious tiles players on the dev team, unfortunately 05:39:04 We have discussed it very often, it is just complicated, and what due said. 05:39:06 I am not a serious tiles player, though I am a serious tiles hacker 05:40:14 i'm too much a programmer to consider "talking" as "serious development" :) 05:40:27 which reminds me that I need to fix up the submodules 05:40:30 so much to do tomorrow 05:40:31 however, I am sure I can come up with interface ideas for tiles; rather, an idea for how to sort them 05:40:50 bhaak: no time to delve into this, but... 05:40:55 surprise, surprise - died to paralysis again \o/ 05:41:04 /o\ 05:41:08 Napkin: grinder? :D 05:41:18 * due prepares self for crucifixion 05:41:36 Napkin: no chance - instadeath? 05:43:09 ofc you need a certain amount of discussion and talk. I just felt that it was rather an "would be really nice to have but this and this makes it hard" than a "yes, we want it and this is how we need to do it" 05:45:04 I really need a new game.. crawl is just driving me crazy 05:45:53 Napkin: Tome? 05:46:29 Napkin: don't play trunk :) 05:47:53 patch it to make it easier 05:48:36 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=5979#p5979 05:48:42 use wizard mode on CDO? 05:48:51 not that this was a high-level or anything.. but.. 05:49:25 einfach nicht mehr lustig 05:49:47 Napkin: we need numbers... what are the sources of your paralysis? 05:49:53 How much time did you have to react? 05:50:04 This is why galehar's paralysis nerf? 05:51:11 why -> with 05:51:13 first two were 0.7, hence the nerf doesn't count. 05:51:31 but counts towards frustration 05:52:28 third one i was telling about here.. double paralysis from ogre mage, teleport to paralysis from sphinx to be electrocuted by storm dragon 05:52:55 anyways, never mind 05:53:53 and tome seems to be tiles only nowadays? not an option during work time 05:56:17 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:56:27 nlarn? 05:57:02 Napkin: play some Sprint :) 05:57:09 Napkin: do you think it would be less frustrating if you didn't have to repeat the early game (and the item ID dance) again? 05:57:39 let's add save points! 05:57:53 let's make the early game less unfun 05:58:14 let him play ADOM! 05:58:48 Noob Mode: start in the temple at xl7 with scrolls and potions already id'ed 05:59:15 in before "Power Gamer" 06:01:20 that last paralysis was in sprint, dpeg ;) 06:01:36 Napkin: Sprint deaths don't counter, that's the good thing :) 06:01:54 and no, i like early game much better than late game - and i had my share of adom in the past 06:02:10 TGWi: fun = subjective 06:03:06 yeah that's the great thing about open source games, if they're not fun you can patch them until they are 06:04:09 there's a balance, too hard is frustrating, but too easy is boring; fun is somewhere in between 06:04:33 RjY: fun is not the same for everyone 06:04:36 I want hard. 06:04:40 exactly 06:05:16 I believe that the poll supports that hard + ironman is better for longterm appeal. Your conclusions may differ. 06:06:20 the question is whether it's tricky or impossible and how often each 06:06:41 but there's a group of people that really likes that 06:07:13 nethack is often remembered by "normal" people not how good it was, but how hard it fucked them over. and they like that memory! 06:09:07 It seems (although I have only vey limited experience) that modern games are designed to be played through by sufficiently dedicated players. Roguelikes are different, which opens a niche right there. 06:10:01 I thought modern games are designed to play themselves through by themselves.. ;) 06:10:41 Keskitalo: the cynic speaking... but they definitely have different goals than we do, or commercial games had 15 years ago. 06:10:56 dpeg: not "through" but as long as possible, with downloadable content if possible. there are a lot of people that don't complete their games (if it has an ending at all) 06:12:06 bhaak: nethack being ridiculously hard and killing you in 600 different ways is a persistent meme that goes beyond roguelikes and even gaming in general 06:12:13 bhaak: Malte also told me that those games often deliberately include grinding, because so many players like the feeling of doign something simple they understand and which gives definite (even if slow) progress. Bonding, I guess. But we're free to do it different! 06:12:25 RjY: good meme, wrong example. 06:12:27 it's perpetuated among popular internet culture 06:12:54 They should've used Rogue rather than Nethack for it. 06:13:56 rogue may be ridiculously hard but nh has more ways of killing you 06:14:19 grinding that doesn't obviously look like grinding is a large part of commercial games 06:14:34 bhaak: the problem is that Nethack is not only not hard, it can be 100% won. So the meme has it completely backwards, unfortunately. 06:15:08 as long as it isn't something that needs to be done, I don't mind that grinding (e.g. picking up all the feathers across all cities in assassin's creed ii) 06:15:44 bhaak: I am talking about stuff like mining (or whatever activities they have) in WoW etc. 06:16:04 dpeg: yes, but how many people get that far? also, that meme originated partly before many people had the internet. and without spoilers, getting to the point of winning nethack 100% is hard work 06:16:58 dpeg: me too. but as I said, I don't mind that it is part of a game, if I don't have to do it. in many games you just get silly achievements or additional items if you did it 06:17:01 bhaak: I really like that cliche, it was part of why I loved Nethack when I got it back then. It is just an ironic and sad coincidence that for those in the know, it is completely wrong. 06:17:37 dpeg: but for those in the know, common myths are often completely wrong :) 06:17:55 if you download a random linux live cd there's a good chance nethack will be on it even if the cd's purpose isn't really about games or whatever. everyone, even non-gamers, has heard of nethack and its reputation 06:18:18 MY wife has never heard of Nethack :) 06:18:28 before she met you :) 06:18:44 you mean your wife is sick of hearing about nethack? :P 06:19:00 heh, no i'm sorry 06:19:18 We don't have time to talk about obsolete games. 06:22:11 that doesn't mean you don't :) 06:22:41 sure, I am aware of the genre's history 06:23:20 And there are some people who fight Nethack's obsoletelity... I wish them power and luck. 06:23:44 heh i think you've just invented a new word there 06:25:04 haha there's even a nethack-spoilers package in debian 06:25:33 http://packages.debian.org/sid/nethack-spoilers 06:31:37 The hobgoblin drinks a potion. The hobgoblin is healed! while he's running towards me.. nothing had hurt him yet 06:34:17 Napkin: Free id! 06:34:31 seriously? 06:34:32 perhaps he stepped on a trap 06:34:48 at least his color was fully green 06:35:20 ah 06:39:04 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 07:01:49 dazzle (L1 DDHe) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 797 failed. (D:1) 07:01:56 dazzle (L1 DDHe) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 797 failed. (D:1) 07:02:06 -!- dazzle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:12 dazzle (L1 DDHe) ASSERT(y >= 1 && y <= sz.y) in 'libutil.cc' at line 797 failed. (D:1) 07:02:20 noooo 07:02:22 not me again 07:02:26 I BREAK EVERYTHING 07:04:48 dazzle: You have to stay vertically in range :) 07:05:07 * dazzle does not understand that at all! 07:21:08 !tell kilobyte Please get in touch with me regarding Ash monster detection tiers. I play Ash all the time, and they seem decent to me. 07:21:09 dpeg: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 07:26:15 -!- frogfrog has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:06 -!- frogfrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:42:05 dpeg: back 07:42:07 dpeg: could you run the tool I left on the branch "ashtier" (on dis, just run /tmp/ashtier) 07:42:43 some values are pretty off 07:43:13 (the tiers = colours, the numbers merely are used to determine which tier to put the monster in) 07:44:03 like, you're unlikely to see a vanilla orc before you're XL3, and according to the formula, they are counted as "totally harmless popcorn" 07:45:43 !lg * xl=3 s=killer ktyp!=quitting|leaving|escaping 07:46:14 100330 games for * (xl=3 ktyp!=quitting|leaving|escaping): 10687x a gnoll, 10317x Sigmund, 9246x , 9226x a snake, 5424x an orc, 5002x an orc wizard, 3980x an orc priest, 3972x a worm, 3522x Jessica, 3498x a kobold, 3356x Terence, 3340x a hobgoblin, 3160x Ijyb, 2488x an ogre, 1984x a giant ant, 1835x a goblin, 1666x a centaur, 1370x Crazy Yiuf, 1288x a jackal, 1232x a giant gecko, 1113x a hound, 64... 07:46:55 4th place killer, quite not that harmless 07:52:16 kilobyte: looking at it now 07:54:24 kilobyte: okay... the formula clearly isn'T perfect, but the matrix looks reasonable to me 07:54:38 Any improvements should go into the tension formula directly 07:55:31 galehar: sorry, I am now busy fighting with xfig... I will get back to you. 08:17:01 is darkred more dangerous than lightred in the dangerousness tiers? 08:18:01 when i did crypt on my last ash character i noticed that skeletal warriors and liches had the same colour, generally it was pretty useful though and could definitely distinguish popcorn from 1s in pan and such 08:20:31 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:01 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:28 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:39:43 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:53 Another usability testing mail sent, with some deadlines! 09:06:00 dpeg: re: your email, i'm working on implementing the rest of the religious background tweaks bit-by-bit, including removing makhleb :) 09:08:23 MarvinPA: deep dwarf players will hate you for that, although I understand that it might make more sense to pick him up at Temple instead 09:08:39 deep dwarf players already start with a wand of healing :P 09:08:52 definitely a nerf to them but i think they can handle it 09:09:41 part of the issue is the length of time it takes to bring piety up on wimpy earlygame monsters if you can't join before temple 09:09:48 but I agree that they can probably handle it 09:14:59 -!- coolio_mc has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:49 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:20 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:47 Small Map missing items existing on actual map (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3461) by XuaXua 10:27:17 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:34:25 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 11:01:30 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02:14 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:05:18 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:33 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:00 -!- MarvinPA|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:11 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:48:35 03j-p-e-g * rc6a0f68d7a5a 10/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/ (102 files in 9 dirs): Rename kraken tentacle tile directories. 11:48:40 03j-p-e-g * r07ae99441877 10/crawl-ref/source/tilepick.cc: As an intermediary step, make eldritch tentacles use kraken tiles. 12:15:50 lkid (L27 DSNe) ASSERT(you.can_pass_through_feat(grd(p))) in 'player.cc' at line 373 failed. (Pan) 12:15:52 -!- shockwave has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:29 !lg lkid crash -log 12:34:30 Unknown selector: verb 12:34:42 !lg lkid type=crash -log 12:34:42 Unknown selector: verb 12:34:49 !lm lkid type=crash -log 12:34:50 31. lkid, XL27 DSNe, T:247382 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/lkid/crash-lkid-20110218-181550.txt 12:34:55 why do I always forget how to do that... 12:47:24 -!- paxed has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:51:23 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:24 -!- paxed has quit [Changing host] 12:51:24 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:32 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:01:21 same here, Zaba 13:02:04 -!- MarvinPA|2 is now known as MarvinPA 13:11:51 -!- Mu_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:02 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:14 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:15:04 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:05 -!- paxed has quit [Changing host] 13:15:05 -!- paxed has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:16 03MarvinPA * raa6f38781188 10/crawl-ref/source/tilepick-p.cc: Give DK and AK tiles (just a copy of CK for now) 13:26:25 03MarvinPA * r272776b8f10a 10/crawl-ref/source/ (newgame.cc ng-restr.cc): Allow starting with a Falchion or Trident for Fi and Gl only 13:26:25 03MarvinPA * r91a64d3ec873 10/crawl-ref/source/ng-setup.cc: Give DD a couple more charges in their starting wand but no potions 13:26:26 03MarvinPA * rb82cb9f25067 10/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.txt: Manual fix for Gladiators 13:26:28 03MarvinPA * r1d83d27b2f20 10/crawl-ref/ (7 files in 3 dirs): Remove CK[Makh], Pr[Yred]->Death Knight, CK[Lugonu]->Abyssal Knight 13:28:48 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:54 Monster groups are spawning bisected by walls (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3462) by XuaXua 13:31:50 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:13 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:42:18 03MarvinPA * r6c21aff1e0ff 10/crawl-ref/docs/crawl_manual.txt: Fix manual entries for AK, DK for consistency 13:52:12 I can never remember, which days do CDO auto update again? 13:52:58 saturday and sunday i think? or maybe friday and sunday 13:53:08 or maybe i'm completely wrong, some time around the weekend though 13:55:44 MarvinPA: awesome commit! 13:56:05 :) 13:59:11 -!- shockwave has quit [] 13:59:36 MarvinPA: If you're interested, I'd like your opinion on https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1139 14:00:14 oh yeah, i remember taking a look at that a while ago 14:00:21 didn't someone actually make a patch for it somewhere? 14:00:26 i'll see if i can find it 14:02:20 aha: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2803 14:03:01 MarvinPA: oh 14:03:03 oh that's not quite exactly the same thing 14:03:48 st's og17's variation on kilobyte's is best imo 14:04:23 which is that? :P 14:04:32 the good one :| 14:04:39 in st's reply 14:04:58 ah yeah 14:05:06 though I think it can be improved, went on to say how 14:09:41 MarvinPA: not updating in case this FePa of mine dies :p 14:09:50 !lg * won char=FePa 14:09:50 heh :D 14:09:51 No games for * (won char=FePa). 14:10:15 heh nice, get the highscore before it's gone for good :P 14:10:28 jk, not doing that _fully_ on purpose. Say a good reason and I press the button. 14:11:11 nah of course not, i doubt it bothers anyone :) 14:14:27 hmm... while fixing a bug with "acquire any", I noticed it has 0 chances for wands and double the chance for weapons. Not sure if that's intentional. 14:14:54 however, '|' uses the very same list, and is used in hundreds of vaults 14:14:57 the as proposed on that mantis report and in the patch has issues with some titles 14:15:09 like "MarvinPA the Level 1 Deadly Accurate" 14:15:25 kilobyte: speaking of acquirement, is weapon/armour acquirement affected by skill boosts from heroism? 14:15:31 Linley Henzell the L27 Merfolkian Porcupi fits I think 14:15:37 maybe even porcupin 14:15:47 not that it's too long, just that it doesn't make sense 14:15:48 -!- coolio_mc has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:16:01 oh 14:16:06 elliptic: i asked that too and he said no 14:16:24 what title is that? it sounds like it would already not make any sense 14:16:32 throwing 15-20 14:16:38 but there's a bunch that wouldn't work 14:16:39 elliptic: naturally, not affected 14:16:50 deadlily accurate 14:16:51 okay, I was just wondering because my kenku has been receiving far more plate mail gifts than I would expect with armour skill 2 (and dodging 14) 14:17:17 being affected by skill boosts is opt-in rather than opt-out, so likely errors are the other way 14:17:43 this isn't a problem unique to implementing this though 14:17:52 Linley Henzell the Deadly Accurate doesn't make sense 14:18:01 why? MarvinPA the Malleable makes sense 14:18:06 tgwi: why not? 14:18:21 but MarvinPA the Level 10 Malleable doesn't 14:18:28 Okawaru armour acquirement is purely random 14:18:45 kilobyte: oh, it doesn't care about skills? didn't realize that 14:18:47 the deadly accurate linley henzell 14:18:58 the only reference to skills is no CPM with <10 Armour 14:18:59 linley henzell the malleable l10 14:19:39 this patch is cool though, it shows up next to your name if xom is getting bored 14:19:47 Test the Level 1 Intangible *WIZARD* 14:19:47 Mottled Draconian of Xom - getting BORED 14:19:51 despite what my dictionary says, "deadly" as an adverb is not a thing that people say 14:20:30 doesn't that imply the character, rather than Xom, is getting bored 14:20:33 well, worry about malleable if you don't like deadly accurate for whatever reason 14:20:43 TGWi: it's an adjective, not an adverb 14:20:46 in common usage, at least 14:20:55 ais523: yeah 14:21:16 switch the level and title if it's an adjective and it makes sense imo 14:21:23 -!- coolio_mc has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:58 I think my suggestion at the time was to make it parenthetical so you don't have to worry about grammar 14:22:05 linley henzell the sneak (l10) 14:22:23 why is it so important to put XL on that line? 14:22:29 XL isn't very important in crawl 14:22:37 why can't deadly be an adverb 14:22:47 (it can) 14:22:48 Mu_: TGWi doesn't like it 14:23:01 more important than, say, stats 14:23:22 if there is one variable that describes your character it's xl 14:23:36 if you are going to put any numbers on that line then sure, XL 14:23:44 but why does that line need numbers? 14:24:22 elliptic: hey, ais523 doesn't like it either 14:24:23 is the issue just that we don't know where else to put XL? 14:25:27 it was moved because someone wanted the piety stars on the main screen 14:25:29 elliptic: yes! 14:25:32 next to god name 14:25:41 which is on the second line 14:28:03 in any case, getting those **** on to the main screen would be a huge help 14:29:53 I think I like something like st_'s final suggestion, with just text on the first two lines and the numbers and piety etc further down 14:31:18 I think it'll work better if it's [god] [piety] in one go 14:32:49 well, that's okay too if it fits there... mainly I just think that the solution to the issues with figuring out how to insert XL into "Name the Title" is to avoid that :) 14:33:58 What slots do we have? NAME, TITLE, SPECIES, XL, GOD, PIETY, right? 14:34:00 -!- coolio_mc has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:34:52 I think those are the main things being considered for the first two lines, yeah 14:35:12 We could also do "NAME the TITLE --> XL" where XL is pushed to the far right. 14:35:13 also class would be sort of nice but probably not worth the space 14:35:24 no, class is not relevant 14:35:40 My POV is: when you're watching someone on CDO, what do you want to know? 14:35:50 It'll be species, god, title 14:35:53 I often want to know their class and find myself using @whereis to find out 14:36:05 The player himself is interested in piety, of course. 14:36:15 elliptic: well, background is interesting, but less so than the others, imo. 14:37:04 you have this in ?: 14:37:05 yeah, I agree with that... as I said, probably not worth the space 14:37:25 didn't it use to be "NAME the TITLE / Level XL SPECIES BACKGROUND (of GOD)"? 14:38:19 sans background I think 14:38:22 that wouldn't fit, would it? 14:38:25 ah 14:38:30 sans background is what it currently is, no? 14:38:33 yeah 14:38:34 well, you could use the abbreviation 14:39:17 You could do species/background with the abbreviation, but I am not so fond of that. 14:39:28 wasn't this all discussed before? It's not difficult to fit everything on two lines 14:39:28 "Minotaur of Trog ****" reads so much better 14:39:30 though it would be less pretty 14:39:40 examples are on https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1139 14:41:48 dpeg's second-last reply would be fine, outside of the vertical bars 14:42:33 (putting race in titles as needed) 14:44:37 alternatively xl 17 deadly accurate is okay, or xl could be moved into the exp pool, eg 20000/27 or whatever 14:45:23 or far right, yes 14:45:59 I was thinking about moving XL to be near the pool, yeah 14:46:55 elliptic: I was thinking of a time when there's no Exp Pool, but we can really use that for XL for the time being. 14:47:06 MarvinPA: still with us? :) 14:47:19 could also be nice to have the XP needed for the next level on the main screen 14:47:36 just about keeping track, yeah :P 14:47:54 elliptic: this is better done with percentages, as on the m screen 14:48:09 (I also have this silly habit of checking E every two kills.) 14:48:17 dpeg: that sounds good 14:48:21 okay, proposal: 14:48:24 NAME the TITLE 14:48:32 SPECIES of GOD PIETY 14:48:45 Exp: XL (PERCENTAGE), POOL 14:50:11 done :) 14:50:52 i can't wait for piety stars to be on the main display :P 14:51:09 that's nice if it fits 14:51:14 Mu_: making fun of me or serious? 14:51:19 serious 14:51:21 also it fits 14:51:36 so three lines of text before the hp/mp bars? 14:51:52 percentage to next level? 14:51:56 oh, it'd be better below place etc 14:51:58 MarvinPA: no no 14:52:01 like kilobyte's 14:52:04 the Exp is where Exp now is 14:52:07 ah i see 14:52:12 which I guess was the intention 14:52:13 and Pool: or Exp Pool: before the POOL count 14:52:32 Zannick: Exp only has one column (not two) 14:52:56 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:00 Perhaps we can get: "Exp: 26 (95%) Pool: 12345" into this, don't know 14:53:03 dpeg: i'm confused by what you meant with that line 14:53:04 galehar: bonjour 14:53:15 moin 14:53:22 Zannick: now clearß 14:53:43 but i feel "Exp: 10 (55%) 1234" will be unclear what that last number means 14:54:25 the pool is sort of unclear to begin with 14:55:30 yes, but leaving it unlabeled: is it the total xp? xp to next level? xp total from this level? xp pool? 14:55:36 and there's no free space to add a pool label 14:55:38 especially as it changes 14:55:54 I think the percentage isn't necessary myself 14:56:13 but any player that knows how xp works isn't going to have a problem with the pool like this 14:56:23 i'll stop you right there 14:56:30 "any player that knows how xp works" 14:56:31 It used to be "Xp: 27/124234 (12453)" in the old days :P 14:56:44 what about new players? 14:56:58 new players can look at the instructions 14:57:04 instructions tell you how things work 14:57:12