00:00:22 http://magiccards.info/od/en/231.html 00:00:31 I just realized it has red eyes 00:00:35 jesus :S 00:01:58 for as much as the new sets aren't stellar 00:02:03 they do have some really cool new cards 00:02:16 blightsteel colossus, inkmoth nexus, mitotic manipulation, anything with proliferate, etc. 00:02:35 there are cool cards in everything 00:03:17 also did they really make a card called "inkmoth nexus" 00:03:32 yes 00:03:38 look it up, then look up blinkmoth nexus 00:03:42 it works really well 00:03:56 yeah I played darksteel 00:04:18 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:36 is the entirety of besieged just taking old cards and replacing parts of their names with evil chaos despair torture decay words 00:06:11 blightsteel colossus is literally just "darksteel colossus with infect, and it costs 1 more" 00:06:17 it doesn't even have a different name 00:06:20 yes 00:06:23 it's awesome 00:06:36 treasure mage: trinket mage, but cmc 6+ 00:06:46 (the art is a guy riding a metal dragon) 00:07:09 how is he riding the dragon unless it costs less than 3 00:07:18 that card sucks 00:07:22 it owns 00:07:27 look up grand architect 00:07:55 vedalken architect, but it's a lord!!!!!!!!!!! 00:08:00 also with more clutter 00:08:05 this set is great isn't it 00:08:09 aren't you glad we're talking about crawl 00:09:36 zeniths: pulse of the it has X in its cost isnt that unique 00:09:59 the red one doesn't even do something different 00:10:34 s/pulse/beacon/ 00:11:39 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:12:14 you mean vedalken engineer 00:12:19 yes 00:12:29 and it's not like that at all because you can tap any blue creature, and ignoring summoning sickness 00:12:42 t1 1 drop, t2 2 drop, t3 architect + tap out creatures = 6 colorless 00:12:49 (it's so uninspired I can't even tell it from its predecessor) 00:12:57 isn't distant memories worse than concentrate 00:13:53 yes but why would you play that when you can get an instant version for 1 more anyways 00:14:36 forest what 00:14:40 that card sucks this set sucks 00:15:28 u suck 00:16:58 plains is in there too? it's worse than I thought 00:17:26 also lol if you hate the idea of bringing back old cards 00:17:33 did you have a stroke at TPF 00:18:06 what's tpf 00:19:12 and what I don't like is the silly "hey guys let's make [old card] but also (it is a zombie|it has infect)" 00:21:09 time spiral/planar chaos/future sight 00:21:28 the difference is that those sets were great 00:21:36 except plc and fs 00:22:18 'those sets were great except the two that weren't' 00:22:41 they were pretty funny but holy shit they are terrible to play in limited 00:22:48 there is just tooooo much going on 00:22:53 zero cohesion 00:23:13 i did a sealed and i spent literally 15 minutes just figuring out what the fuck all of my cards even did 00:23:45 γασοθ! 00:23:51 Okay, screen not happy. 00:23:58 Did I not start it in unicode mode/ 00:25:08 Eronarn: was kidding, they were all good 00:25:12 also lor and rav 00:25:34 i wasn't around for them :( 00:25:47 i stopped playing because mirrodin and then stayed stopped playing because kamigawa 00:26:23 i only came back in time for alara reborn 00:26:45 "in time for" 00:26:48 arb was awful though 00:27:02 cascade + terrible random multicolour gimmick 00:27:13 i like gold but yeah it was a bit much 00:27:17 cascade is awful 00:27:22 fuck jund forever 00:27:42 by arb they weren't even paying attention though 00:27:53 it was all "let's make 5-colour cards because they're kool" 00:27:57 they ARE kool 00:28:20 shards was not nearly as bad by comparison 00:28:27 conflux was still worse 00:28:30 yes 00:41:50 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:21 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:10:54 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:27 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:31 -!- evilmike has quit [] 02:24:42 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:21 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:54 moin 03:00:21 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:36 hi zaba 03:01:42 Zaba: can you register a gitorious account? 03:01:47 or tell me your username if you already have one? 03:02:31 I don't have one, no 03:03:05 is the decision to switch to gitorious final? 03:04:17 nobody has raised any major objections yet 03:04:34 the decision to move away from SF is definitely final, but we're trying gitorious out for now to see how it goes. 03:04:44 (several people objected to github when it was suggested0 03:05:32 well, I don't have any objections since I also have no experience with it 03:06:12 the only point anyone has raised yet is that gitorious have a soft bandwidth limit and we may hit it; however, they also host other large projects, so I don't think there would be any issue with it if we contacted them about it. 03:06:16 that makes no sense. 03:07:35 well 03:07:55 I would only have objections if we migrated to something else shortly after migrating to gitorious 03:08:07 that is unlikely to occur 03:09:01 most of the active developers who I've seen online or spoken to or been emailed by have not had any objections to it 03:10:48 okay, I just created an account called 'zaba'. 03:11:26 and I just aded you to the project! 03:12:53 greensnark, pointless, eino, haran, jpeg, zelgadis nd steve noonan are the only people who haven't been added yet. 03:12:59 Oh, and felirx! 03:13:02 * due pokes felirx. 03:16:27 due, hrm.. 03:16:55 due, development's already been happening in the gitorious repo, correct? 03:23:15 yes 03:23:56 ok.. gotta hope that the rest of the developers (does greensnark count as one? :P) catch up with the change and raise no showstopping objections, then 03:24:34 Well, even if there are showstopping objections, moving back to SF is not at all difficult. 03:25:42 but they would have to be showstopping objections of the first class :) 03:47:01 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:27 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:28:51 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 05:09:15 -!- bhaak_ is now known as bhaak 05:25:15 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:46 -!- Gnash has joined ##crawl-dev 05:33:10 hi 05:33:38 hi 05:35:04 how is mu? 05:35:26 well my key works 05:35:31 yay 05:35:45 should my submodule things still be pointing @ sourceforge 05:37:02 It doesn't really matter 05:46:47 due: there was a crapload of kings and the like named Nikola, it's a popular name in some countries 05:46:47 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:48:36 -!- Gnash has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:48:50 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:50:50 kilobyte: Yes but that wasn't at all my point. 05:51:07 Aforementioned point was completely ignored and thus I gave up. 05:51:15 It can wait until later. I'll sneak a change in when nobody's looking. 05:52:17 :p 05:52:32 about that PDCurses-win32a thingy: good to know! 05:53:34 it might be a good replacement for the win32 console, since it's not quite possible to be a worse terminal than that 05:53:41 yes 05:53:48 Let me link, btw. 05:53:52 and if not, we might beat some sense into it 05:54:07 http://projectpluto.com/win32a.htm 05:55:23 It's also a fork of PD curses retaining the PDness. 05:57:08 As it implements curses it also meanss you can pretty much safely use the same code for Linux cuurses. 05:58:39 well, it'd be quicker to use vt100 codes directly than to migrate to another curses implementation 05:59:06 and no less portable, last non-vt100 terminals died 25-30 years ago 05:59:30 hm 06:01:26 you mean, ecma-48 codes 06:01:34 also known as ansi escapes 06:02:06 beh, that pdcurses thing is 8 bit only 06:03:58 of course it doesn't do glyph substitution either (pointless with 8 bit) 06:04:24 still, a good part of its display code might be of some use 06:07:03 kilobyte: You might want to email the developer, he's quite respondent to ideas, etc 06:23:52 Left to check in: pointless, greensnark, keskitalo, felirx, zelgadis, neunon 06:50:09 humans check in, they don't check out 06:51:38 Pontless, greensnark, keskitalo, felirx and zelgadis! 06:59:09 My Inbox is hilarious! I have the pseudo-ml dev discussion + all the individual emails from people + the conversations I'm having with a few of them! Gmail's threading is great, but can I forcefully break them up? 07:06:22 Napkin: :) 07:06:50 hey due :) 07:07:08 gmails threading is actually not great 07:07:32 ignoring reference headers ;) 07:09:00 yeah 07:19:10 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:06 Attempt at rusty wall tiles. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3422) by LordBistian 07:24:39 Guten nacht, abed I am! 07:25:24 bie! 08:19:47 omg, you guys did it again! 08:19:56 my dad wants to upgrade to trunk! 08:20:03 nooooooooo! 08:20:25 btw, add MfCK to the list of won combos ;) 08:47:31 due: registered for gitorious 08:59:41 -!- ortoslon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:02:11 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:19 -!- Moriasc has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.13/20101203075014]] 09:20:52 -!- Moriasc has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:56 soul (L16 DGNe) ERROR in 'fixedvector.h' at line 72: FixedVector out of bounds (52343 / 701) (Swamp:2) 09:31:51 erm, come on, remove this damn paralyzation, pleaaaaase? 09:32:00 oh, an ogre mage, paralyzed me twice 09:32:12 teleported and.. oh, an sphinx, paralyzed me as well 09:33:34 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:34 You die... 09:33:34 Char dumped to '/crawl-svn/morgue/Napkin/morgue-Napkin-20110212-153323.txt'. 09:33:38 --- 09:33:46 debug message left on by mistake? 09:34:05 and seriously, paralyzation sucks! 09:34:09 I thought that was a plan to show Windows users where their morgue files were, as it's impossible to put it in the documentation 09:36:19 third time a row my high-level char dies to paralyzation 09:37:07 what version are you playing? 09:37:27 !version 09:37:32 chain-para was removed, and then just yesterday evening galehar fixed some related bug 09:38:23 i was able to do 2 hits in between the paralyzations - so i guess that's in 09:39:20 I suppose, the thing is that Crawl (deliberately) has no reliable escapes 09:39:21 *paralysis 09:39:29 so having a few turns unparalyzed doesn't really help much 09:40:55 maybe my inappropriate post in the forum makes me feel better about it 09:41:08 it's not like you can do what you do in NetHack, and do an emergency random level teleport (sending you to a random location in the game above where you are, generally safer than your current location in such situations...), or pray for a full HP restore, or create a shaft underneath you and fall through it, or use a one-hit KO item 09:41:33 the best you can do in Crawl is, umm, controlled blink, or potion of heal wounds 09:41:42 neither of which is likely to help much in that situation 09:43:05 controlled blink is the best spell in crawl 09:43:26 and yes, level teleport is generally better 09:43:35 yeah, well, as RNG would have it, I had 1 (!) teleportation scroll and no blink.. and 8 potions of healing and not a single heal wounds.. lucky to get away from the ogre mage in the first place, unlucky to land beside sphinx, storm dragon and trolls 09:43:50 Napkin: any mr generated in your game? 09:44:03 xl20 char in vaults 6 09:44:10 yes, -3 plate mail had MR 09:44:15 (I didn't list Elbereth there because it generally doesn't help in the equivalent situations in NetHack) 09:44:29 it's just... 09:44:32 fuck 09:44:34 o/ 09:45:11 hmm, even if a mechanic is balanced, fair, and interesting to strategise around, is it good game design to remove it from a game anyway because people are upset when it kills them? 09:45:35 no 09:45:48 (paralysis isn't, fyi) 09:45:48 that way, you can remove pretty much any reasonable threat 09:46:57 well, there are some things that people don't mind dying to, IME 09:47:00 at least in NetHack 09:47:05 because they feel it was their fault 09:47:16 most deaths are 09:47:29 but when you use every mr source in the game and then get killed by paralysis... :) 09:47:49 I suppose the NetHack equivalent is people complaining about floating eyes 09:47:52 paralysis is just as sucky as stat-death was 09:48:18 btw, the tutorial still recommends that you boost all three stats to 8 to avoid statdeath, or did last I looked at it a couple of weeks ago 09:48:25 is that still advice important enough to put in the tutorial? 09:48:28 yes 09:48:31 (or perhaps it's in hints mode) 09:48:52 everyone should raise all 3 to 8 at least 09:49:13 even if one of them starts at 4, so you have to raise that one exclusively up to level 12? 09:49:29 what? 09:49:38 oh I see. Yes, of course you should 09:50:40 hmm, this is beginning to sound suspiciously like a no-brainer 09:51:18 this "remove all no-brainers" is an odd goal. If it was completely true, the game would take weeks to win. 09:51:40 Do I want to wear this +1 robe or this +0 robe? No-brainer. 09:52:22 So, I think despite what the goals say they are, they are actually different. 09:52:37 the Crawl devteam's definition of a no-brainer seems rather narrower 09:52:49 I think it only relates to situations where an unspoiled player might make the wrong choice by mistake 09:52:58 the manual got updated somewhat recently 09:53:35 i'd say in a regular 3-rune game you probably don't need 8 in every stat really, there aren't that many sources of stat drain 09:53:59 str is the most important stat to get to 8 imo 09:54:02 then int 09:54:34 people win without 8 in stats, not a problem. I just think it's worth doing it, may as well avoid annoying deaths 09:55:02 it's interesting that you have to be warned about that early; I've never reached points in the game where my stats have been drained at all 09:55:09 except when scumming the abyss at experience level 1 09:55:27 so it's certainly not the sort of thing I'd think of doing without the in-game spoilers 09:55:44 never been sick? 09:56:04 degen 2 funkeh 09:56:14 You only have to raise stats to 4 if you wear sustab ;) 09:56:22 or try storming tombs and forgetting your sustabs 09:56:28 33 int->12! 10:06:22 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:21 felirx: or invoking cboe :P 10:09:55 oh, I've lost stat points to sickness, but never in a situation where it looked like anything even vaguely potentially fatal 10:10:27 well, I'd call that stat drain at least 10:10:29 I just assumed it was like the NetHack become-steadily-more-crippled-until-you-cure-it, which is a sensible enough strategic mechanic 10:10:56 (in NetHack, if a stat would be dropped below 3, it drains current and max HP instead, which eventually kills you via HP loss, but nobody gets drained that much) 10:16:59 it seems to me that int is the only stat you lose to non-random causes by any noticeable degree 10:17:13 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:17:30 kilobyte: yes... this could be improved by making monster stat drain more noticeable 10:17:53 quasits are the only str/dex drainers that actually matter since you run into them so early 10:18:30 entered Mnoleg's level... a character who could cast level 9 spells in heavy armour went into stat death in one turn due to a bunch of neqoxecs 10:18:51 plus an orange brain 10:20:00 recovered, but it was a "wtf?" moment 10:20:20 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:00 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:32 -!- Adeon is now known as AdeonTheSecond 10:28:42 -!- casmith789 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:30:45 -!- casmith789 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:20 -!- AdeonTheSecond is now known as Adeon 10:41:52 is there a way to turn off spell recasting? 10:42:49 about this showing the location of the morgue: how about giving a compile-time option so I could add "http://crawl.develz.org/..." in front of it? 10:43:16 also, I think I would be nicer at the score-screen.. not right after the die-message 10:46:00 good idea 10:46:05 hm. 10:49:20 tukima's dance party, the player spell, is pretty underwhelming 10:49:34 terpisichore is pretty nasty though 10:50:20 though I imagine it usually won't spawn near a trove of weapons 10:52:37 syllogism: people were abusing it earlier by carrying around a ton of GSCs and dropping them 10:52:59 Eronarn: admittedly, that's hilarious 10:53:24 perhaps if the weapons are destroyed when it's done, it'd make it relatively unabusable? 10:53:28 reagent-style, that is 10:53:53 no; just make it either only animate a certain number, or animate many but only some turn friendly and the rest just dance 10:54:11 or make it animate only weapons dropped during the period, rather than weapons already on the floor 10:54:49 hey kilobyte? is the move to gitorious complete? complete enough for me to switch cdo's git (and the builds) to it? 10:56:13 some parts are still unsolved, like commit hooks 10:56:34 but all branches and tags are in place, right? 10:57:30 yeah 11:04:46 about the hooks: http://gitorious.org/gitorious/pages/WebHooks 11:05:47 "Note: This page is currently intended for local Gitorious installations, since this feature is not offered as part of Gitorious.org yet." 11:05:50 "local" installations? 11:05:56 sounds bad 11:06:07 that page is from Aug 2010 though 11:06:11 oh, true 11:06:24 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:57 I found some other information that I did not yet fully read (it was 3am...), which vaguely suggested some hook support might have been added a few days ago 11:07:34 i fully read it a few minutes ago, but every sounds so uncertain about it 11:07:39 *everything 11:07:52 it requires jumping through some hoops, but if it's possible to do _any_ kind of push, we can do it well 11:13:34 http://groups.google.com/group/gitorious/browse_thread/thread/6e8c49f3cdc89a42 from a few days ago 11:14:07 but he's not saying, that it's not possible on gitorious.org - just explaining how to do it on your own installation.. 11:16:08 well, if gitorious supports it, it's good, but it's useless to us unless gitorious.org also offers it 11:31:30 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:35 out of curiosity, does anyone have strong feelings against removing or modifying non-orcish racial gear? 11:37:39 +1 for removing racial gear 11:38:06 Eronarn: you want to remove racial gear but add cosmetic hats? :P 11:38:43 MarvinPA: sure, do you really want elven variants on cosmetic hats showing up? 11:38:46 haha 11:39:04 but yeah, at least the effects of dwarven/elven gear aren't worthwhile at the moment 11:39:10 if we're going to have pointless variants on items they should at least be cutesy ones 11:39:45 are racial variants of gear pointless? 11:39:55 no 11:40:27 Zaba: they give very minor bonuses, except for orcish, which actually matters for beogh 11:40:42 aha 11:40:43 um elven gear matters 11:40:50 also dwarven 11:41:10 TGWi: their effects are very minor 11:41:23 um what 11:41:25 you're wrong 11:41:26 iirc the elvish spellcasting boost is about as large as the boost from using a one-handed weapon rather than a hand-and-a-half weapon 11:42:02 racial ammunition had a serious downside: it prevented items from stacking 11:42:05 80% rcorr: not very minor 11:42:25 reduced evp: also not very minor 11:42:52 racial weapons and armour have no such downsides -- the only thing I can think of is having a name that's longer by one word 11:42:53 TGWi: 80% rcorr is very minor 11:43:22 it doesn't protect you from acid, just that one slot of gear - of course you take dwarven over the same non-dwarven, but i doubt i'd consider 80% rcorr better than even +1 enchantment 11:43:55 it tends to be +6 AC in Slime 11:43:57 elven is closer to 'working', imo, but i think there the effect is too small 11:43:58 wearing that slot of gear protects you from acid 11:44:21 kilobyte: who wears non-randart gear in slime, unless it's disposable anyways 11:44:24 you need a cloak, and cloaks go down in no time 11:44:44 dwarven cloaks are a bit different, sure (likewise elven boots) 11:45:00 Eronarn: you're not guaranteed to get one 11:45:03 but that's because of how cloaks work with acid / a special stealth bonus, respectively 11:45:21 quite few people go to Slime, but you get the same when you need to kill an oklob 11:45:30 (i'm mainly talking about body armor / gauntlets / etc. here) 11:46:18 x is irrelevant except for all the ways that x isn't irrelevant 11:46:28 it might be better to make dwarven/elven more distinctive, but the do give you something not entirely negligible 11:46:43 on the other hand, cosmetic gear merely causes confusion 11:46:48 kilobyte: i'm fine with keeping them on body armor if they matter more 11:47:03 what does having them harm 11:47:36 hmm, all randarts having rcorr is a little strange in a way 11:47:39 TGWi: extraneous, but not actually interestingly extraneous (almost nobody tries to collect an all-elven set of gear for cosmetic reasons) 11:47:43 because it just makes them so much better than non-randart equipment 11:48:03 randarts are worse than non-randart equipment unless you get lucky 11:48:11 yeah, randarts as generated now are just terrible 11:48:14 especially armor 11:48:20 body armor, that is 11:48:35 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:47 Eronarn: why does someone need to collect an all-elven set of gear 11:49:21 to be like Wiglaf! 11:49:28 * kilobyte needs to code him dwarven pants. 11:49:47 TGWi: what 11:49:54 Eronarn: what are you even talking about 11:49:55 is my question 11:50:07 "(almost nobody tries to collect an all-elven set of gear for cosmetic reasons)" 11:50:09 this makes no sense 11:50:18 i think you missed the point: a set of all-elven gear isn't really interesting mechanically (apart from the stealth boosts), and there's not really interesting flavor going for it either 11:50:41 people like to dress up their characters and such, but 'elvish' is just plain boring 11:50:55 you get people posting on rgrn every now and then about ascending using nothing but racial gear; and it's pretty tricky in NetHack because there is basically no racial gear 11:50:57 stealth boosts and less encumbrance (esp. for elves) and it's lighter 11:51:19 dwarven items have a spellcasting malus and they're better for dwarves and they have rcorr 11:51:29 plus elven and dwarven items generate with different pluses than regular ones 11:51:36 orcish items are the pointless ones 11:51:50 hmm, did I just get XP because my enslaved rat died? 11:51:56 Napkin: yeah 11:51:56 Your rat is killed! 11:51:57 You have reached level 4! 11:52:04 oh 11:52:09 well, nice :) 11:57:20 I thought orcish items tended to generate with negative acc, positive damage? 11:57:33 yes 11:57:39 oh, another random crawl pet peeve: big kobolds :| 11:58:49 big kobolds: kobolds but bigger 11:58:58 megakobolds 11:58:59 ogres but with less punch and more curare 11:59:00 is there any way to make the result of ctrl+f be listed by distance? 11:59:08 Napkin: yes 11:59:17 (that's the default sort) 11:59:31 i don't think crawl would lose anything (other than big kobolds) if we renamed them something else 11:59:32 oh, ok.. then it's broken 11:59:39 not working 11:59:54 hopefully 0.8 will be released without megabats 12:00:08 Zaba: <3 12:00:24 lol, as if that would matter much ;) 12:00:54 it matters much, it's a bloody D:1 monster that everybody knows 12:01:01 it's just a name 12:01:19 so let's call them one-eyed one-legged flying purpole human eaters and call it a day 12:01:23 what does it matter, anyway? Just a name. 12:01:33 sorry, it should be 'purple' 12:01:35 actually I'm all for that 12:01:43 and "people", not "human" 12:01:47 ais523_, thanks 12:02:13 don't understand how people can focus so much on such a little detail 12:02:13 ogre kobolds 12:02:16 ('specially as the player might not be human) 12:02:26 i mean - there have been a million+1 discussions about the megabat 12:02:43 seems like no better suggestion, otherwise it would have been changed already 12:02:49 "bat" 12:02:53 "bat" 12:02:54 discussions about a bat 12:02:56 and you clearly don't know how crawl development works :P 12:02:58 TGWi: but that's what NetHack does! 12:03:03 "griseous bat" 12:03:14 discussion of the merits or drawbacks of the name 'megabat' is prohibited for not less than six months by order. 12:03:40 thanks, RjY ;) 12:03:47 well, probably more like five and a half months now. 12:04:51 would be a reasonable release name! because seems to me that will be the most prominent feature ;> 12:05:27 dungeon crawl stone soup 0.8: megabat deluxe extreme edition 12:05:34 awesome! 12:07:16 megabat mania fits better to the naming scheme though ;) 12:09:15 well, if we're going down that road, we should rename giant cockroaches to jiggaroaches and rats to terarats 12:09:35 so that D:1 is completely and utterly ridiculous and, by extension, thematically coherent 12:12:02 I mean, it's just names, who'd care, really. 12:12:32 that sort of thing can make or break roguelikes, sometimes 12:12:37 names can act a bit like miniature spoilers 12:12:48 in that sensible players can get an idea of how dangerous something is, and how it acts, from the name 12:12:56 e.g. players can guess that snails probably move slowly 12:13:04 'megabat' just doesn't sound like something that fits together with the rest of the game 12:14:26 what's wrong with "bat" again? 12:14:31 nothing 12:14:39 ok just wondering 12:15:32 what's wrong: it's not megabat 12:15:36 it's not mega 12:38:24 terabat 12:38:30 because it's huge! 12:39:30 yottabat 12:39:49 felirx: terror bat 12:50:50 "goddamn bat" 12:57:23 lol, ortoslon :D 13:01:16 -!- Moriasc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:52 Napkin: if you didn't notice that people get hung up on little details, you must be new to the internets :) 13:02:09 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:02:13 hehe 13:02:14 -!- Moriasc_ is now known as Moriasc 13:02:52 wondering.. what does "Instant" mean in: You can peek at two random cards from a deck. (3 MP, Piety, Instant)? 13:02:59 Napkin: does not take a turn 13:03:11 ahh, thanks 13:04:04 ceterum censeo, I'm also of the opinion that "megabat" in 0.8 would increase the downfall of the occident! 13:04:43 oh my 13:04:58 -!- Moriasc_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:39 -!- Moriasc has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:06:52 -!- Moriasc_ is now known as Moriasc 13:14:50 bhaak: you have Crawl envy; are you going to put megabats in Un? 13:15:07 ais523_: neva 13:16:18 i'm hoping to get all those players that will leave crawl because of the megabat issue 13:17:55 i've already bought an ad page in the new york times: "UnNetHack - Giant Bats Forever!" 13:19:20 I thought they were just "bat" in Un 13:21:09 not anymore ;) 13:21:14 the low level monster is "bat". but there are also giant bats 13:21:36 also "UnNetHack - With Less Annoying Giant Bats" 13:30:37 I was like a total fan of crawl until they made the bats megabats 13:31:06 me too 13:31:07