00:04:17 due: ok; thank you.Dear all: Another thing: monqy suggests that the distinction between DAM_ and DVORP_ is confusing for source-code readers. And that really the game should have only DAM_, and that all vorpal weapons should just be labeled "vorpal": e.g. a vorpal hand axe should be labeled "vorpal hand axe". What do you think? 00:04:50 vimpulse: it's hardly the most confusing thing 00:05:07 monqy: it's still confusing :) 00:05:14 *monky suggests in ##crawl 00:06:14 monqy: sorry I spelled your name wrong. 00:06:15 Anyway, all, I think that monqy's suggestion would also make Crawl easier for newbies to learn. 00:07:04 i'd be fine with removing the different vorpal names, personally, they are a bit weird 00:07:12 I agree with Eronarn 00:07:52 someone wanna file it? it's 1 AM here, I'm getting tired, and I already have one more bug to repro in trunk then file tonight. 00:10:37 Maybe not "it" but "them". One bug "Please replace all the different vorpal-weapon adjectives 'chopping', etc. with the single adjective 'vorpal'". And a dependent bug "Please remove all DVORP_ weapon-type data from the source". 00:18:25 ... 00:18:51 All weapons should be named vorpal, imho. 00:19:17 The difference between DAM_ and DVORPAL_ or whatever is absolutely not the most confusing part of the source code. 00:19:35 did anyone say "most confusing" 00:19:39 You're welcome to file a patch fixing it, but filing a bug that the source code is difficult to comprehend is... well, redundant. :) Unfortunately, crawl's codebase is insane. 00:19:45 I specifically said it's not the most confusing 00:19:54 Yes. 00:19:57 I was agreeing with monqy. 00:20:10 you were agreeing with monky before he said it 00:20:14 ... no. 00:20:17 22:04:50 < monqy> vimpulse: it's hardly the most confusing thing 00:20:25 I'm agree with monky when he said it about 20 minutes ago? 00:20:49 ok; would someone please file only one bug then? "Please replace all the different vorpal-weapon adjectives 'chopping', etc. with the single adjective 'vorpal'". 00:20:59 not exactly a bug 00:21:02 I thought you said that 00:21:07 your names look really similar 00:21:07 is there a code cleanup section on the wiki? 00:21:08 01:19 <+due> You're welcome to file a patch fixing it, but filing a bug that the source code is difficult to comprehend is... well, redundant. :) Unfortunately, crawl's codebase is insane. 00:21:18 there are two separate checks for fire elementals to not enter water 00:21:22 both performed in the same function 00:21:59 monqy: that's true. It's more of a feature request than a bug. Maybe on some "Interface" page? 00:22:08 is that the same function that doesn't slow down monsters in shallow water? 00:22:16 vimpulse: it's internal not interface 00:22:42 TGWi: doesn't it sort of kind of not really slow them down 00:22:56 randomly losing turns or something 00:23:00 to simulate slowing 00:23:07 according to eronarn it says they have a 20% chance of not being able to enter a water tile 00:23:14 right that 00:23:20 because that's the best way to implement slowing 00:23:22 monqy: well, I guess replacing "chopping" etc. with "vorpal" it affects both internals and interface. 00:25:10 TGWi: one of them is the same function yes 00:25:19 i will rewrite it, some day 00:25:28 do it right now 00:25:56 monsters not slowing in water makes me rage 00:26:34 !tell due Fix all the vorpal stuff. 00:26:36 due: OK, I'll let due know. 00:26:39 vimpulse: There we go, I filed a bug with myself. ;) 00:26:39 due: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:26:45 Henzell: Shh I'll look later. 00:26:47 due: :) 00:26:51 1tell due fix everything ever 00:26:53 also rewrite fight.cc thanks in advance 00:27:07 change everything 00:27:40 I will apply code cleanup patches. 00:27:44 And documentation patches! 00:28:40 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:50 If anyone needs the build broken, ping me. I'm good at that. 00:29:42 sorear: i already snuck a crash bug into crawl and i don't even have commit! 00:31:10 Eronarn: weak. you should have added a backdoor instead. 00:33:22 sorear: i read a great article earlier from the devteam of a PS2 game with multiplayer 00:33:44 they shipped without patching capabilities and with bugs that enabled multiplayer cheating 00:34:40 they hacked in patching capabilities by using a buffer overflow in the EULA download function, by feeding in a EULA with a bunch of custom written heavily constrained (e.g., no nulls) code appended 00:34:54 :) 00:35:15 i thought this was what lawyers existed to prevent coders from doing, but what do i know 00:36:01 "lol". 00:39:13 !learn edit mahkleb s/.*/Typo. See the "Makhleb" entry instead./ 00:39:14 mahkleb[1/1]: Typo. See the "Makhleb" entry instead. 00:40:04 Sorry about the noise. I didn't realize I wasn't in ##crawl. 00:42:37 !learn edit mahkleb s/.*/see {makhleb}/ 00:42:38 mahkleb[1/1]: see {makhleb} 00:42:39 due: why is this bog mummy randomly rotting 00:42:43 ?? mahkleb 00:42:43 makhleb[1/4]: Makhleb wants kills and sacrifices, and provides hp/mp-for-kills, two conjuration invocations, and two summoning invocations. Note that Minor Destruction has no piety cost, so you can use it freely (though it is hungering); servants are not 100% friendly; and greater demons are effective against essentially everything. 00:44:58 !learn edit mahkleb s/.*/Typo. See the "Makhleb" entry instead./ 00:44:58 mahkleb[1/1]: Typo. See the "Makhleb" entry instead. 00:47:38 Eronarn: because they do that? 00:47:49 it's kind of spammy/weird 00:48:01 03dolorous * r407f25680758 10/crawl-ref/source/libutil.cc: Properly pluralize "mosquito" as "mosquitoes". 00:48:03 Eronarn: Live with it. 00:48:34 Why no redirect? 00:48:45 does it trail miasma a la rotting devil? 00:48:56 no 00:49:00 or would that dilute rotting devils too much 00:49:15 it just says "the bog mummy is rapidly rotting" and then a few turns later "the bog mummy is no longer rapidly rotting" 00:49:53 does it rot to the point that if you wanted to you could kite it to death? 00:50:10 ignoring, of course, any ranged attacks 00:51:53 no idea 00:52:44 It can die from its own rot. 00:53:33 You closely miss the bog mummy. The bog mummy begins to rapidly decay! 00:53:34 The bog mummy casts a spell. 00:53:34 _You smell decay. 00:53:34 _You closely miss the bog mummy. The bog mummy's decay slows. 00:53:37 seriously, this is just dumb 00:56:08 Why? 00:56:37 -!- Kurper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:54 little gameplay effect for someone who is fighting them 'honestly' but enables scumming for others, spammy, unclear messages 00:57:48 So? 00:57:54 They're basically a popcorn monster. 00:58:00 that has a death curse 00:58:21 It can be tweaked to fix scummy behaviour. 00:58:27 But I refuse to remove what I think is an interesting flavour. 00:58:38 i don't care if it rots but the messages are annoying 00:58:54 Almost as annoying as you are being right now :p 00:59:53 i can be way more annoying than this if it will get you to make bog mummies not spam me 01:00:45 are bug mummies inherently short-lived like toadstools? 01:01:42 -!- slyshy has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:03:09 sorear: Sorta. 01:03:20 I had some plans to make water heal them but it kinda feel through. 01:03:22 *fell. 01:12:02 it occurs to me: we really need to get zin recite going on monsters so that we can fake the death message 01:12:23 if they would've died to one of the smite/damaging effects of recite, instead, do the salt pillar message 01:13:03 then just add to the learnDB that recite monsters have a chance to instakill by turning you into a pillar of salt 01:13:14 and watch the angry FRs roll on in 01:14:39 I've added "Please replace all vorpal-weapon adjectives with the single adjective 'vorpal'" to https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:item:weapons. Thanks due, monqy, all. 01:14:39 P.S. Someone might want to merge https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:weapons into the new page. 01:18:22 According to the schema it should probably be at :weapons and not :items:weapons? I duno. 01:18:45 due: aren't weapons a kind of item? 01:19:10 Yes but what point is there disambiguating them thus? 01:19:23 due: why not disambiguate? :) 01:19:58 due: if everything were in the same namespace there'd be stuff like summoning_scroll, summoning, summoning_spells, etc. on one tier 01:20:41 due: amulets, armour, potions, etc. are also in https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:item:start . 01:20:48 free to use it differently, of course, but that's why i set it up the way i did 01:21:24 -!- vimpulse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:40 Eronarn: Well, dcss:brainstorm:scrolls:summoning makes sense. 01:21:54 dcss:brainstorm:items:scrolls:summoning ins a little cumbersome? 01:22:06 I dunno. It doesn't bother me all that much. 01:58:43 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:42:36 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:54 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:07:43 -!- evilmike has quit [] 03:15:07 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 03:17:04 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:20:38 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:14 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:55:24 Banish sometimes leaves a corpse (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3398) by wolfechu 03:56:18 -!- ortoslon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:56 http://tozt.net/crawl 404s 04:00:02 ooh, the whole of doy's site is a lighttpd placeholder page 04:01:20 i think cao had some disk trouble yesterday didn't it? (tozt is on the same server i believe) 04:07:09 !tell doy http://tozt.net/crawl 404s 04:07:10 ortoslon1: OK, I'll let doy know. 04:07:55 !seen doy 04:07:55 I last saw doy at Sun Dec 12 17:54:14 2010 UTC (8w 16h 13m 41s ago) parting ##crawl with message chanpart. 04:08:18 he's not around much these days 04:08:28 !seen by 04:08:28 I last saw by at Mon Dec 27 08:22:25 2010 UTC (6w 1h 46m 3s ago) quitting with message Quit: leaving. 04:08:31 !seen greensnark 04:08:32 I last saw greensnark at Mon Feb 7 05:27:17 2011 UTC (4h 41m 14s ago) quitting with message Quit: à bientôt. 04:08:51 oh greensnark came back did he 04:10:24 if I'm not misremembering, doy showed up recently for a bit while henzell was down 04:10:44 didn't really say or do anything though 04:12:37 greensnark only joined ##crawl. Maybe he takes the "i'm really no developer" serious now? :) 04:14:37 -!- Siber2 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:15:34 -!- Siber has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:18:02 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:18:44 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:52 -!- cw_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:35:22 -!- Icelos has joined ##crawl-dev 04:40:06 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:18 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:44:14 Hii. 04:44:42 hail 04:44:56 Helloo 04:48:16 -!- Icelos has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 05:18:57 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:20:31 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 05:20:33 cheers 05:20:40 !seen elliptic 05:20:41 I last saw elliptic at Mon Feb 7 09:46:43 2011 UTC (1h 33m 57s ago) saying but more xp and faster piety on ##crawl. 05:24:14 due: weren't porcupines supposed to spike those who attack them? I see no code related to that. 05:25:40 kilobyte: yes, the idea was to make the spiny DS mutation also apply to some monsters. 05:25:42 the commit which added them says they are finished -- is something amiss? 05:26:06 Namely to (at least) spiny frogs and porcupines. Perhaps others. 05:26:22 melee only, right? 05:26:57 yes 05:27:37 I have no idea if the DS mutation code is usable for monsters. If so, we can use mutation levels (so that porcupine has 1, but spiny frog 3). 05:40:19 moin 05:40:25 Hi! 05:43:08 !seen galehar 05:43:08 I last saw galehar at Fri Feb 4 16:54:25 2011 UTC (2d 18h 48m 43s ago) quitting with message Quit: Page closed. 05:50:44 kilobyte: It is not written yet. 05:50:53 kilobyte: omeone had a patch for it 05:56:15 dpeg: Someone was doing a patch for t. 05:56:20 Unfortunately my list of "todo" is huge :/ 05:56:49 due, how much of your todo list is adding new features? 05:56:52 you don't happen to remember who was doing it, or what's the status? 05:56:53 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:57:49 just pointing out that non-functional monsters are not good for 0.8, they should be disabled, or, in this case where it's little work, finished up 05:58:25 we're not in such a hurry yet, just asking if it's forgotten 05:59:27 kilobyte: well, they arne't non-functional: they replace grey rats everywhere. 05:59:33 Zaba: hardly any? 05:59:41 due, good ;P 06:00:05 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:16 kilobyte: is dis well? 06:00:22 wb dpeg 06:00:27 kilobyte: someone here, monky or Marvin possibly. 06:00:43 dpeg_: seems to work, is something amiss? 06:00:51 just was a bit flaky 06:01:11 kilobyte: thumbs up for having an eye on polish 06:01:15 due: I mean people are somewhat surprised they don't have spikes 06:01:25 this is important... greensnark always stressed this point 06:01:42 of course, spiky porcupines are a myth: as a kid I personally sat on one and it wasn't any sharp 06:02:02 kilobyte: we go with the comic imaginery, not the real thing here 06:02:03 you'd have to be a small animal putting your nose into one 06:02:20 against foxes, dogs and the like, spikes may indeed work 06:02:36 to ask a stupid question, why did you sit on a porcupine? 06:02:53 _kid_ 06:03:22 I noticed the spikes don't appear to be sharp, and tested it -- and they indeed were not. 06:03:43 yeah 06:03:46 it also depends on age 06:03:50 probably due to sitting on a large number of them at once rather that a couple, of course 06:04:48 thus the guru lies on a bet of nails 06:04:55 exaclty :p 06:04:56 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 06:05:36 realistically, using a weapon should make you totally immune 06:05:52 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:01 only felids and maybe spriggans should be non-immune 06:06:24 It passively affecting you should be minor. 06:06:33 But "the porcupine pokes you with its spines!". 06:06:42 One of my "todo" is re-do monster attack flavours as bitflags. 06:07:41 kilobyte: no realism here... the whole size system is totally inconsistent and we're not gonna change that. 06:09:37 Zaba: rather, anyone stupid enough to hit one with a hand (or mouth) 06:10:25 note my earlier line about spikes working against foxes and dogs... kitty mouth is of similar size 06:13:45 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 06:15:37 Will try to get some changes done later. 06:18:25 dpeg: What do you thin of my change to quotes? 06:18:43 03due * rc4dadb4db2a4 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Fix #3398: Banished monsters don't have corpses to leave behind. 06:19:03 due: the best possible action on that front 06:19:06 thanks for that! 06:19:49 dpeg: a) we get to keep the quotes b) we can make them longer even -- we have the space c) oonly people who want to see them will see them. 06:19:54 i think it was the perfect solution :D 06:19:59 yes! 06:20:56 i've got a half-finished commit to apply the chances to items as well 06:21:11 but that involved re-writing item description code to use describe_info and i made a mistake somewhere with itt :/ 06:21:14 due: ideally, to everything 06:21:32 well, features and monsters ar ecurrent... 06:21:39 if we add it to items, that will be everything? 06:21:44 yes 06:21:54 gods are... handled differently 06:22:06 it also means tutorial players can view quotes as well 06:22:17 okay, actually going to sleep, ngiht folk 06:22:19 busy day tomorrow 06:23:40 bye due! 06:23:56 I haven't forgotten about holies either :) 06:27:30 Have you noticed weapon and armour randarts show up only once in a blue moon, while jewelry ones are quite frequent? 06:28:43 it appears that by's fix to a bug which caused some of them to be generated exceptionally often had a side effect of cutting the generation rate for all of them by four 06:31:41 Scroll of Bugginess (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3399) by b0rsuk 06:32:21 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:14 b0rsuk: it's scroll of paper, its removal wasn't fully save compatible, but the effects are harmless 06:36:48 should we restore the unrand generation rate? 06:37:06 kilobyte: restore to what state? 06:39:02 not sure 06:40:06 you could increase randart generation somewhat, if you want 06:40:18 before, you had separate rolls for fixedarts and unrandarts 06:40:46 I mean, the percentage of unrandarts among artefacts is far lesser than it was 06:41:39 ok, s/randarts/unrandarts/ in my first line, sorry for the confusion 06:44:18 yes, understood :) 06:44:21 just go ahead 07:24:55 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:11 hi 07:27:21 -!- Kurper has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:05 galehar: meow! 07:32:01 Enemy and enslaved slime creatures can merge (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3400) by casmith789 07:34:58 dpeg: did you notice I submitted some orc vaults? the mantis issue got buried to page 2 quite quickly https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3391 07:39:39 not sure if you have a clue about keyboard input code, but: there's currently an assumption that all characters are 1..127, with values 128..255 used for Crawl's private codes, 256..600something for ncurses, 1000ish for Crawl's redefinition of ncurses, 1000+ for alt-something (tiles only) 07:39:49 7 bits might be enough for the weak, I want 21 :p 07:41:10 all three ports use separate namespaces for printable characters vs other keys, it's us who stuff this back into a single number 07:43:48 there are two solutions: 1. shoving aside 128..255, kludging in a queue, encoding the values in, say, UTF-8 and returning them byte by byte, or 2. having all special keys negative or with very large numbers 07:59:26 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:03 -!- OG17 has quit [] 08:04:51 -!- OG17 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:38 -!- cw_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:18:47 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:49 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:29:06 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:37:23 Tiles and Console Versions Crash to an indefinite black screen, subsequentially unresponsive. (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3401) by irishtea 08:54:29 -!- cw_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:11 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:25 03kilobyte * r489101023c77 10/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc: Restore the name of scrolls of paper, they can occur in saves. 09:10:27 03kilobyte * r4ad2c648b334 10/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc: Allow club unrandarts. 09:10:28 03kilobyte * rfb362ea4cb72 10/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc: Restore part of the chances for unrand weapon/armour generation. 09:21:53 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:20 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:18 -!- ortoslon1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:28:36 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:32 dpeg: thanks for the wiki page on help lines. I finally answered it. 09:31:09 galehar: hmm, it'd be nice to have consistency in the spaces around the brackets 09:31:26 although I'm a bit biased, in that my major care with help lines is to be able to use them to detect menu screens automatically 09:31:57 there's spaces inside brackets whenever there is enough room 09:32:09 ais523: are you coding a bot? 09:32:23 when I'm less busy with other things, I haven't worked in it for ages 09:32:28 but it's got far enough to die to Sigmund before now 09:32:50 mostly it starves, due to the huge difficulty of detecting corpses 09:33:01 the UI on that is fine for normal playing, but basically unusable for a bot 09:33:16 maybe it would be easier to use lua hook rather than parsing the ascii 09:34:55 yep, although that'll mean rewriting the existing frameworks, which I stole from TAEB 09:35:25 is Lua rich enough to really do absolutely everything that can be done via the UI, both reading and writing? 09:35:50 you mean crawl's lua api? 09:35:53 yep 09:35:54 no, it isn't 09:35:56 not the lang itself 09:36:30 which is just as capable as Perl, if a little lacking in library support (especially embedded in Crawl) 09:38:14 using Lua for a bot is a bit of a deal-breaker if, say, it turns out that it can't choose which ability to enhance on level-up (the bane of all newbies who ignore the message area) 09:40:24 the lua API is far from complete, but if anyone submit patches to enhance it, I don't see why we wouldn't accept them 09:40:38 yeah, things are added to the api on on-demand basis 09:40:49 some may be wizard only, others could be used in a normal game I guess 09:41:10 the other issue would be the difficulty of debugging the resulting bot 09:42:15 one advantage is that it wouldn't be broken by incompatible user interface changes 09:42:19 which happen often :P 09:43:22 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:43:22 galehar: it might be better to focus on client-server code instead 09:44:07 kilobyte: good point 09:44:17 if we made map_knowledge queryable from outside like it's supposed to be, one could try coding a bot that way 09:44:27 web services! 09:44:32 that way you could code a bot in whatever language 09:45:51 or a separate UI in any language, too 09:45:59 which would interest people wanting online tiles 09:46:02 too bad, there are pieces like ability/skill/etc menu 09:46:10 more web services! 09:46:46 really, you need to be able to do absolutely anything in order for a UI to be usable either by human or by bot 09:46:56 * bhaak is surprised that his evil plan to bring dcss' development to a stop seems to catch on 09:46:57 it should be possible to play "command-line Crawl" from a Lua REPL :) 09:48:12 (someone actually did that with Kingdom of Loathing, IIRC; wrt roguelikes, though, TAEB isn't nearly there yet, and probably won't be for ages) 09:50:22 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:33 * bhaak implemented a command-line UI for unnethack 09:50:46 bhaak: really? 09:51:09 how does it handle multiple-item pickup? that's a case where TAEB has trouble 09:51:10 ais523: didn't you know that? --enable-dummy-graphics 09:51:16 oh, right 09:51:24 I did that to regular NetHack too 09:51:37 but doesn't it just translate the window-drawing commands, rather than the game info? 09:53:14 not only drawing, also input. but it's true it doesn't structurize the game info more than the standard interface already does 09:53:33 hmm, I wonder if I can adapt my nethack-client to your format? 09:53:47 I wrote a secondary client for nethack-el a while ago, that worked more or less like tty, but with automore 09:54:09 and then decided automore was a bad idea for NetHack (the way it uses screen estate is wrong) and didn't use it in Ace 09:54:20 we should probably shift this to a different channel anyway, it's getting offtopic here 09:55:26 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:59:27 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:16:15 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:16:28 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:02 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:41:06 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:19 -!- galehar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:38:09 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:47:43 03dolorous * r430a4907cc2e 10/crawl-ref/source/ (beam.cc enum.h zap-data.h): Remove Enslave Undead at the next major version bump. 11:47:54 hrmm 11:48:03 monster-plant-pathfind gives me test failures 11:48:15 I wonder what would that mean 11:48:45 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:38 -!- Textmode has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:43 03dolorous * ra27e5b4d9c95 10/crawl-ref/source/ (enum.h zap-data.h): Remove references to Control Demon at the next major version bump. 12:34:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:21 03dolorous * re5e064ba6643 10/crawl-ref/source/libutil.cc: Properly pluralize e.g. "demonspawn" as "demonspawn". 12:53:46 -!- monqy has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:06 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:40 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:53 does oka gift ammo? 13:21:56 e.g. needles? 13:22:06 yes 13:22:07 yes 13:22:12 kthx 13:22:22 thought: summon hydra could be summ/pois, and hydras could burst into poisonous clouds when they disappear 13:22:59 03dolorous * r7b8c4e65d05c 10/crawl-ref/source/ (11 files in 4 dirs): Rename MONS_FIRECRAB to MONS_FIRE_CRAB, to match its in-game name. 13:23:07 shouldn't TSO hate it then? 13:23:11 "You summon poison essences and bind them into one of those toxic serpents known as a hydra. However, they will soon return to their original form." 13:23:25 monqy: who cares about TSO B) 13:23:37 I don't but 13:23:45 if I recall correctly, tso was one of the reasons the spell got in 13:23:53 highlevel summons for use with the good gods 13:24:36 one thing i'd actually like to see would be a way for holy spellcasters to actually cast holy spells 13:24:50 like bring a book of demonology to bless that instead of a weapon with TSO 13:24:59 no, I don't think that's good 13:25:10 it would conflate a religious domain with a magical one 13:26:40 compare with healing: it is religious and will never be a spell 13:28:07 dpeg: magic that is only accessible good characters is definitely flavorful; healing would be a bad choice for that, yeah 13:41:25 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:04 -!- TGWi has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:37 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:53 is grinder supposed to be more lethal than sig? 14:08:01 is he? 14:09:12 I believe he is 14:09:18 let me find the commit that buffed grinder and I'll check 14:09:18 what're some good H-named monsters or creatures currently unused in crawl? 14:09:30 dpeg: he's at least competitive with sigmund now, yes 14:09:31 hell orcs 14:09:34 not sure if he beats him or just comes close 14:09:39 TGWi: must be one or two syllables, single word 14:09:46 hellor 14:09:47 c 14:09:47 hydra 14:09:50 Hellion 14:09:52 ohwait 14:09:52 like horror, harpy, hydra, etc. but not something we're using yet 14:09:53 :P 14:09:54 he said unused 14:10:09 maybe remove hellions so eronarn can use that 14:10:11 wink wink 14:10:20 ??hipogriff 14:10:20 I don't have a page labeled hipogriff in my learndb. 14:10:25 hipogriff ? 14:10:35 crawl has those 14:10:36 is more than two syllables 14:10:41 i need the name for alliterative purposes 14:10:45 Eronarn, I do not play by your syllable rules! 14:11:09 But H is not a good letter to alliterate with in the first place. (At least in German, H is a sound without a lot of force.) 14:12:07 dpeg: Hungry Hungry Hippos. 14:12:18 use "hippo" 14:12:43 i don't think that'll work well for this sadly 14:13:08 !lg * killer=grinder src=cdo start>20110114 14:13:08 132. Omniguy the Magician (L4 DrWz), slain by Grinder (a +0,+0 dagger of pain) on D:3 on 2011-02-07, with 278 points after 2598 turns and 0:14:09. 14:13:12 hmm, maybe hawk 14:13:13 !lg * killer=sigmund src=cdo start>20110114 14:13:15 209. spacet the Cudgeler (L3 KoBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by Sigmund (a +0,+0 scythe) on D:2 on 2011-02-07, with 117 points after 2270 turns and 0:05:11. 14:13:47 oh, or hornet! 14:14:08 !lm * uniq=grinder src=cdo start>20110114 14:14:10 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:14:14 !lm * uniq=sigmund src=cdo start>20110114 14:14:34 295. [2011-02-07] capslocke the Skirmisher (L3 MiFi) killed Grinder on turn 2864. (D:3) 14:14:34 583. [2011-02-07] Archibald the Cudgeler (L3 OgBe) killed Sigmund on turn 1476. (D:2) 14:14:57 maybe Howler; it doesn't have to be an existing monster, just has to sound like one 14:15:17 http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/howler.htm (D&D has howlers but these wouldn't be like them) 14:15:24 dpeg: 45% for grinder vs 36% for sigmund 14:16:08 I don't understand the percentages, but Sigmund is more effective? 14:16:26 kills by unique vs kills of unique 14:16:46 there are 45% as many grinder deaths as grinder kill milestones 14:16:49 36% for sigmund 14:16:59 we should really automate these queries imo :) 14:17:01 crawl's iconic unique has been replaced by an imp named after an IRC troll 14:17:22 Grinder is a great name for anything. 14:18:05 Those emo psychoanalysts can take their scythes and go right back onto the couch. 14:18:29 dpeg: there is a gay male hookup website called Grindr 14:18:33 grinder should be way OOD, after all, he has grinded some serious experience 14:19:20 dpeg: oh, btw, I thought of a way we can do a simple kind of achievements within Crawl itself: like how Farmer gets appended, but with multiple appendings. 14:19:27 like "All-Runing" 14:20:11 that's only a henzell thing though, isn't it? 14:20:12 -!- Vandal has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:20:15 MarvinPA: yes 14:20:23 !hs impgrinder 14:20:23 but it'd be enough to start, i think 14:20:23 363. impgrinder the Blinker (L19 NaWr), worshipper of Cheibriados, slain by an eight-headed hydra on Swamp:5 on 2009-11-01, with 211383 points after 117992 turns and 14:19:50. 14:20:41 grinder should be way weak, he's never won crawl 14:21:15 TGWi: we should have a unique named Robin imo 14:21:48 we should have a d:1 unique named sebi who disappears and reappears over and over with slightly different abilities 14:22:38 Eronarn: yes, there are some good ideas on that but I don't know where 14:23:16 "reskilling" should be appended to titles too 14:23:21 so you don't get things like 14:23:23 !lg . won -2 14:23:23 2. TGW the Apostate (L27 HaCr), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2010-11-02, with 1332582 points after 144973 turns and 9:00:14. 14:23:57 TGWi: only if they abandoned Ash, I think 14:24:23 if it's to be his gimmick, no need to penalize (even in just this social/abstract way) people who legit follow him 14:25:14 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:30 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:29:44 -!- Mu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:30:11 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:50 eldritch tentacles eat corpses D: 14:37:50 also, meh. I guess I will just use horror 14:38:16 not keen on adding more non-good-usable summons, but it at least makes sense as being evil 14:38:52 03dolorous * rdf7426800516 10/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc: Fix tense shift in one of Zin's Recite messages. 14:41:19 03dolorous * r9623f2c8e1ee 10/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc: Add missing punctuation. 14:41:55 so many typos :) 14:44:24 Transmutation miscast can mutate during lich form (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3402) by minmay 14:49:00 -!- ais523 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:05 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:59 -!- stephen_f has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:02 -!- bhaak is now known as Dr_bhaak 15:20:42 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:05 03dolorous * r9e79b6f4345a 10/crawl-ref/source/dat/database/godspeak.txt: Add Yredelemnul penance message. 15:36:36 -!- Siber2 has quit [Quit: Whoa! Partial hit!] 15:36:41 03dolorous * rb1a24c128180 10/crawl-ref/ (settings/init.txt source/initfile.cc): Save falchions properly as default starting weapons. 15:36:43 03dolorous * r298c30a0119d 10/crawl-ref/source/ (initfile.cc initfile.h): Add spacing fixes. 15:38:12 -!- kronusdark_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:47 -!- kronusdark_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:39:28 -!- ortoslon has quit [Quit: bye] 15:52:44 03MarvinPA * r7e1dbb5f8bb8 10/crawl-ref/source/godconduct.cc: Don't give piety for eating with Chei 15:52:45 03MarvinPA * r02f5bd1b35a3 10/crawl-ref/source/ (mutation-data.h output.cc player-stats.cc): Double the dex bonus from thin skeletal structure 15:54:41 03dolorous * r6b35ff0429bd 10/crawl-ref/source/output.cc: Fix inconsistencies in unarmed descs: "Tooth and claw" -> "Teeth and claws". 15:56:20 03dolorous * r1ba35cb5502a 10/crawl-ref/source/enum.h: Comment fix. 15:56:28 uh oh. Piety for eating food with Chei is something that went through a major war before. 15:56:40 tummies 15:56:46 oh damn, was it? 15:56:48 (I'm on your side MarvinPA, just noting that there was a war I lost) 15:57:23