00:01:08 This is horrible. 00:01:13 Items just stuff everything into one big string. 00:01:25 Monsters fill out the entire describe_info using the footer, header, and title, tec. 00:01:31 Features just stuff everything into the body. 00:01:45 due: yes; it turned out that i was moving a dead monster which was making a ghost monster 00:01:52 it got sorear to git pull! 00:02:53 hah, nice 00:04:00 I'll just do it again in another four months. 00:05:20 Eronarn: hahaha 00:05:26 I'm just about to start rewriting attack flavour handling :) 00:05:30 Trample changes, AF_OVERRUN, and forest wyrms (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3393) by Eronarn 00:06:31 03due * rbb0746e2cc7d 10/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc: Properly use describe_info::title for feature descriptions. 00:06:36 03due * r3e89319f1650 10/crawl-ref/source/ (describe.cc describe.h): Split monster, feature quotes into another screen. 00:08:25 Eronarn: just for the record, adding new 'D' is problematic, because every single color is in use 00:08:29 @?? xtahua 00:08:29 Xtahua (05D) | Speed: 10 | HD: 19 | Health: 133 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Damage: 35, 17, 20 | Flags: see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(177), 05fire++, 03poison | Vul: 12cold | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 5449 | Sp: flame blast (3d38). 00:08:37 due: AF_OVERRUN + AF_REACH = dance all night 00:08:38 @?? serpent of hell 00:08:39 Serpent of Hell (05D) | Speed: 14 | HD: 20 | Health: 97-142 | AC/EV: 12/9 | Damage: 35, 15, 15 | Flags: 05demonic, sense invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(346), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10778 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), fire breath (3d40). 00:08:58 @?? pearl dragon 00:08:58 pearl dragon (08D) | Speed: 13 | HD: 18 | Health: 91-140 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Damage: 3508(holy), 2008(holy) | Flags: 08holy, sense invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 5712 | Sp: holy breath (3d36). 00:09:02 @?? golden dragon 00:09:03 golden dragon (08D) | Speed: 9 | HD: 18 | Health: 86-127 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Damage: 40, 20, 20 | Flags: sense invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(192), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison | Chunks: 09poisonous | XP: 4031 | Sp: b.fire (3d27), b.cold (3d27), poisonous cloud (3d11). 00:09:08 Pearl is ETC_HOLY. 00:09:13 sorear: yeah, the further differentiation has to come via where the monsters spawn. right now they're a brown D because swamp dragons usually only spawn in swamp 00:09:17 You might get away with using ETC_. 00:09:27 Like green/brown/lightgreen. 00:09:47 due: i considered ETC_TREE but i'd rather just have it be brown to not risk mistaking with e.g. hydras, if it shows up in lair 00:09:56 @??wyvern 00:09:57 wyvern (04D) | Speed: 15 | HD: 5 | Health: 17-39 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Damage: 20 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 207. 00:10:06 could steal this, and demote these guys to l :D 00:10:32 ETC_TREE won't work. 00:10:50 is it all one green right now rather than a mix of greens? 00:10:58 No, it's a hash function. 00:11:08 The colour changes depending on location, not timing. 00:11:15 ah 00:11:40 i don't figure forest wyrms are going in immediately, anyhow, so i'm not too worried 00:11:44 as long as they don't end up on w or something 00:11:59 Why not l? 00:12:04 I think lightgreen l is untaken. 00:12:10 they're much stronger than any other ls 00:12:15 @??lindwurm 00:12:16 lindwurm (11l) | Speed: 10 | HD: 9 | Health: 34-65 | AC/EV: 8/6 | Damage: 20, 10, 10 | Flags: !sil | Res: 06magic(36) | XP: 645 | Sp: flame blast (3d18). 00:12:43 damage 35 bite 00:12:46 regenerator 00:12:57 Hm. 00:13:01 *nasty*, albeit non-damaging, breath weapon 00:13:19 go try out the patch, they're quite fun to fight :) 00:14:25 i really like how the breath logic works... don't need los; coinflip() for each tile in radius 2 to place something there; has some logic to prevent it from breathing if it's adjacent to you already or there's nowhere to place plants 00:14:40 kilobyte: Where are dactions deinedin code? I've never seen them before. 00:14:52 so in practice it runs after you, occasionally stopping to breathe plants that have a decent chance of at least forcing you to move differently than normal 00:15:02 and isn't hindered by its own plants much at all 00:15:07 kilobyte: Defined, rather. 00:15:19 -!- jooosa has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:15 wyverns would be good on l, they're more like drakes than dragons anyway 00:17:36 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:17:46 -!- jooosa is now known as joosa 00:17:47 Are they worse than old-school death drakes? 00:19:25 I don't know but they're fast, dodgy, and have one attack like drakes while dragons are normal speed, armored, and have a bunch of attacks 00:19:34 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:19:47 also then you could finally put "fire" dragons on red D and put plant dragons on green D 00:19:49 everyone wins 00:20:06 OG17: i would love that forever 00:20:28 (also name them fire dragons for the love of god) 00:20:38 The ice dragon turns into a dragon. 00:21:57 (lightred for fire) 00:24:11 actually put fire dragons on red D and Xtahua on lightred D 00:24:18 quick. someone implement this 00:24:49 fire's on lightred because xtahua doesn't hang out with wrath moths 00:25:16 (zot) 00:25:18 i'd gladly submit a patch to do it but people would complain about renaming them 00:25:38 they've already resigned themselves to bats 00:25:39 Eronarn: don't care what other people think, it's not useful 00:25:40 OG17: doesn't stuff not get recolored in berserk now 00:25:48 oh right 00:25:52 that was my idea too, ha 00:26:04 sorear's is cool too then 00:26:10 sorear: i don't have commit access though so it's not exactly that i care but that their caring is an impediment to it happening 00:26:20 make marvin do it 00:26:28 OG17: how did you find my secret plan 00:26:48 ps OG17: 00:27:03 *AF_OVERRUN on the Lernaean Hydra. 00:27:16 oh wait they need to be lightred, you confused me 00:27:24 because when they go berserk they turn dark red 00:27:53 oh, that. i don't think that matters much in practice, a berserk dragon is a berserk dragon 00:28:11 it's a threat and you will want to pay attention to it, either way 00:28:13 it's just as bad as dark red rupert and it's easy to work around 00:28:26 not that i care much really 00:28:26 you don't care much about a plain dragon in zot really 00:28:36 berserk dragons are not that much worse than regular ones 00:28:39 there's a reasno duvessa is blue 00:28:46 I'm pretty sure they can't breathe that way... 00:28:54 it's still no reason to hide the status 00:28:56 due: commit dragon => fire dragon + glyph changes please <3 00:29:09 What about mottled dragons? 00:29:21 what about them 00:29:24 they're lightmagenta. 00:29:27 you need to do 00:29:45 mottled ->brown, swamp -> green, dragon -> red, wyvern -> lightmagenta, or something like that. 00:29:45 @??mottled dragon 00:29:46 mottled dragon (13D) | Speed: 10 | HD: 5 | Health: 17-39 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Damage: 15, 6 | Flags: fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire, 03poison | Chunks: clean/none/unknown | XP: 155 | Sp: sticky flame splash (3d4). 00:29:49 @??wyvern 00:29:49 wyvern (04D) | Speed: 15 | HD: 5 | Health: 17-39 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Damage: 20 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 207. 00:30:06 wyvern needs to be on l for any of this to fit 00:30:08 I think 00:30:11 wyvern => lightmagenta l, yeah 00:30:17 i think that's open right 00:30:38 if you think it fits, yeah 00:30:55 well gila or something is wyvern-red 00:31:08 @??gila monster 00:31:09 gila monster (06l) | Speed: 10 | HD: 5 | Health: 21-40 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Damage: 20 | Flags: cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: clean/none/unknown | XP: 110. 00:31:13 @??komodo dragon 00:31:13 lightgreen might be better so it's less of "oh god" and more of "big newt" 00:31:13 komodo dragon (04l) | Speed: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 8 | Health: 29-59 | AC/EV: 7/8 | Damage: 3007(disease) | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(32), 12drown | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 313. 00:31:31 OG17: they are pretty "oh god" early on though 00:32:11 more for zombies I think 00:32:36 also wow crawl's wyverns are kind of pathetic 00:32:44 no flying, no poison, weaker than komodo dragons 00:32:55 it's not really important, it's just that pink's mostly like sticky flame and sorcerors 00:33:10 eronarn: you missed the part where they are speed 15 00:33:13 there's not a brown l yet is there 00:33:18 swamp drake 00:33:22 oh right 00:33:31 elliptic: no, i'm aware of that, i'm comparing to like D&D wyverns 00:33:32 I didn't know they didn't fly, though 00:33:44 where they have stingers with deadly venom 00:34:16 these ones have a "long, sharply pointed tail" at least! 00:34:30 i'm actually kind of curious how we ended up with wyverns that are basically just fast gila monsters 00:34:34 and neither of them have poison 00:34:47 sorcerer 00:34:54 ??wizard did it 00:34:54 I don't have a page labeled wizard_did_it in my learndb. 00:34:59 guessing wyverns are really old 00:35:11 new project: retool wyverns 00:37:27 they're okay early at least, poison or whatever would be overkillish 00:37:41 and nerfing damage/speed would get rid of killer zombies and who wants to do that 00:37:45 random thought for them: they fight to the death and don't run away 00:38:17 would people notice that? 00:38:46 that sounds too much like wyvern skeletons/zombies 00:38:58 who knows. racking my brain to come up with a way for them to actually stand out 00:39:20 I think flying's a given at least 00:39:52 maybe they could come in packs with baby wyverns 00:40:05 <3! 00:40:07 baby animals ftw. 00:40:09 with logic that they stay close to the mommy 00:40:11 baby megabat. 00:40:58 there's not much early flying stuff, is there? That might be enough for its stats to carry it 00:41:05 it could be a good way to keep 'em relevant...lone wyverns at low XLs, but before lair, they start having kids 00:41:15 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:41:19 also baby wyverns would be a lot like whatever other lizard, it's not really interesting 00:41:29 alligators but those are kind of different 00:41:32 since they hide 00:41:49 make them lead packs of drakes? 00:41:52 although thats a little weird 00:41:57 elliptic: they're the weakest drakes 00:42:00 er, evilmike 00:42:11 alligators show up a lot later, I mean the babies would actually be like an iguana or something 00:42:26 I always thought of wyverns as the weakest dragons 00:42:28 or a fast gecko or whatever 00:42:29 considering they are D 00:42:57 they might be l now so eronarn can do stuff 00:43:03 oh hey OG17 here's a thought 00:43:09 acid instead of poison 00:43:09 also they're a lot closer to drakes than dragons statwise 00:43:13 on a stinger attack 00:43:25 an early speed 15 jelly, yes good idea 00:43:43 a very good idea!! 00:43:59 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:06 I mean speed could change and all but I like what's there 00:44:35 OG: Well killer zombies/skeletons were mostly fixed a while back, unless I missed something. Should've been at least temp-fixed by making giant frogs and wyverns 'large' as I recall, forget if danger level was ever properly correlated to the original monster... 00:44:42 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:52 I think they still show up wherever they feel like 00:46:02 mostly i'm concerned with them being boring as heck 00:46:10 the early ls are very same-y 00:46:23 not really? 00:46:26 yeah really 00:46:38 haha owls 00:46:40 @??iguana 00:46:41 iguana (02l) | Speed: 10 | HD: 3 | Health: 9-24 | AC/EV: 5/9 | Damage: 15 | Flags: cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(12) | XP: 36. 00:46:43 @??gila monster 00:46:43 gila monster (06l) | Speed: 10 | HD: 5 | Health: 21-40 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Damage: 20 | Flags: cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: clean/none/unknown | XP: 110. 00:46:43 newts and geckos are pretty similar but iguanas are noticably stronger 00:46:46 @??wyvern 00:46:47 wyvern (04D) | Speed: 15 | HD: 5 | Health: 17-39 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Damage: 20 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 207. 00:46:51 we don't need more l-glyphs 00:46:51 newts are fluff, geckos are fast and really tough for when they show up, iguanas hit really hard early 00:46:55 and we already axed one of them 00:46:59 @??gila monster 00:46:59 gila monster (06l) | Speed: 10 | HD: 5 | Health: 21-40 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Damage: 20 | Flags: cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: clean/none/unknown | XP: 110. 00:47:01 @??crocodile 00:47:01 crocodile (07t) | Speed: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 5 | Health: 17-39 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Damage: 20 | Flags: amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(20), 12drown | XP: 105. 00:47:04 so, yeah 00:47:14 the lair ones are bleh but that's not wyverns 00:47:21 giant newt, giant gecko, gila monster, komodo dragon 00:47:25 and iguana. 00:47:45 should do that chameleon thing with gila monsters 00:48:22 i'm not saying we need to get rid of them or anything just that if we make any change to any l i'd like to see them end up less similar at the end 00:48:42 OG17: <3 00:48:53 i mean really look at their stats 00:49:00 HD: 5 | Health: 21-40 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Damage: 20 00:49:05 HD: 5 | Health: 17-39 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Damage: 20 00:49:12 HD: 5 | Health: 17-39 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Damage: 20 00:49:34 is that last one wyverns? 00:49:37 you missed the 15 speed 00:49:41 crocodiles I think 00:49:42 wyverns are speed 15, thats a very important detail 00:49:42 yeah 00:49:56 yes, speed 15 definitely matters but that is literally the only thing not making them a gila monster 00:50:03 imo, gila monster -> chameleon 00:50:05 i don't think we need 'gila monster' and 'hasted gila monster' 00:50:08 they show up a lot earlier 00:50:29 and do something with crocodile, vary the stats a little or something 00:50:39 and i'm not talking sweeping changes here or anything, even something like wyverns getting bite+sting would help a lot 00:50:41 more damage less hp 00:50:43 even if the sting didn't have a brand 00:51:30 two attacks isn't more interesting than one really 00:51:45 it's not inherently interesting but it's at least different 00:51:56 Simply add flying? 00:52:01 Twinge: that's a given 00:52:30 at this point it's just whether they need something more than that (or maybe wyverns are fine and change another lizard) 00:52:32 They already feel pretty different in-game imo - the speed is super huge. 00:52:47 wyverns are fine for when they show up 00:52:53 the lair stuff is another issue 00:52:56 gila / crocodile is really bad 00:53:01 they are effectively interchangeable 00:53:17 umm gila monsters have poisonous corpses 00:53:41 much like your posting 00:53:59 my posting has never died 00:54:23 we're all in mourning over that B) 00:54:39 also gila monsters don't swim and give five more xp, what more do you want 00:54:40 chameleons 00:54:58 what would chameleons do, be lizards that cast invisible? 00:55:05 yes 00:55:25 that would be kind of interesting 00:55:42 i think making them damage chameleons too would be cuter (if you hurt them with fire they adapt, etc.) 00:55:58 but that might work better on something with more HP 00:56:09 ~tiamat~ 00:56:13 not many things in lair have abilities besides "move towards you and hit you" 00:56:17 someone should implement chameleons 00:56:19 it would be easy 00:56:30 some kind of adaptive enemy would also be cool, lair is too easy for ranged characters 00:56:37 it's like two lines of code changed 00:56:41 OG17: i like tiamat the way she is really 00:56:52 that was a joke, tiamat is scary 00:57:22 lightning snails would be cool 00:57:25 TGWi: i don't know, i think just having them cast invis would be pretty boring 00:57:50 how many things cast invis in lair 00:57:51 giving them monster stealth would be cool (you can't see them until they're within some number of squares of you) 00:57:57 OG17: like all of them 00:57:57 also I thought it'd be like sky beast invis 00:58:22 also AI to make them not attack you until you're already being attacked or something, maybe 00:58:43 because otherwise they'd be kind of dumb 00:58:49 like some sort of assassin... 00:59:07 seriously just make them like sky beasts 00:59:21 curaremeleon 01:00:06 OG17: i'd rather not reuse the sky beast gimmick personally, i think "invis if >4 squares away" is interesting though 01:00:15 no 01:00:49 >=4 squares. 01:01:18 then they're just gila monsters that show up slightly closer to you 01:01:30 invisible gila monsters are cool 01:01:36 I don't think reusing an uncommon early-game monster feature is a problem 01:02:03 one problem is they are both early game monsters 01:02:14 though range-dependent invis is okay 01:02:31 sky beasts and gila monsters don't overlap 01:02:32 gila monsters and sky beasts are mutually exclusive 01:02:40 they're not iguanas, they show up mostly in lair 01:02:49 and sky beasts are like D:4 material 01:02:53 TGWi: "gila monster that shows up slightly closer to you" is actually interesting if they wait until you're in a fight to show up 01:03:03 we don't have many "ambush" monsters right now 01:03:03 alright, I guess lair is midgame 01:03:07 Eronarn: so it's a spriggan assassin that doesn't make any sense 01:03:10 though range-dependent invis is okay if it doesn't get some goofy stalker gimmick 01:03:17 Reusing gimmicks is what makes gimmicks gimmicks. 01:03:21 Currently sky beasts are interesting. 01:03:29 gila monsters aren't 01:03:32 chameleons would be 01:03:32 If other monsters start getitng those effects, then the effect becomes tiresome and annoying. 01:03:40 no more than invis itself 01:03:45 OG17: it needs to do some kind of stalking or else it'll just be surprise, chameleon! and then you kill it because it's a lone chameleon 01:03:52 Hence why I enforce Mara being the only monster to get Mislead, etc. 01:03:58 a lone chameleon that's a few squares away from you 01:04:02 (this makes a difference) 01:04:21 yes, that means it dies to conjurations slightly closer to you 01:04:37 or that it dies to melee in exactly the same way 01:04:46 Chameleons could thematically submerge themselves in features. 01:04:57 ugh not more submerging 01:05:01 feature mimic 2: electric boogaloo 01:05:13 No, because the feature is there. 01:05:18 There's a monste rthere too though. 01:05:21 like a rock worm? 01:05:29 That chameleon was actually a chameleon but that door was actually a door mimic! 01:05:33 Eronarn: <3 01:05:37 OG17: chameleons don't work that way 01:05:43 I'm aware 01:06:03 TGWi: non-euclidean chameleons 01:06:51 hmm here's an idea we could give them as a spell silent-invis-plus-duplicate 01:07:20 give chameleons that range-linked invis thing and a ranged tongue whip attack 01:07:23 so when you see it it's actually somewhere else, or something 01:07:28 OG17: oh that'd be cute 01:07:33 i like that 01:07:42 ranged-link invis is infuriating to e 01:07:50 if that is 'you can only see them if you are x squares away' 01:07:54 due: :) 01:08:12 my suggestion was just "make them cast invisibility and change the name" but I guess we could build a bikeshed instead 01:08:20 it's like an unseen horror that's really bad at it 01:08:24 with a tongue 01:08:26 making them cast invisibility would be crappy 01:08:39 there are already a bunch of monsters that cast it and these would by far be the most boring of them 01:08:53 lair: it's full of invisibility 01:09:04 plain invis can just be waited out anyway if you really want to 01:09:07 invisibility: it would make gila monsters less excited 01:09:10 exciting 01:09:16 (I should go to bed) 01:09:19 this would make you be in range of lair's only non-drake ranged attack 01:09:21 or you can just go into a corridor or whatever, it's your speed with no ranged attacks 01:09:22 there aren't any pure melee monsters that cast invis 01:09:34 unless you count unseen horrors, but they are different enough 01:09:40 evilmike: or sky beasts 01:09:50 sky beasts are different 01:10:13 they're weaker and zappier and they pee on the ground when they're scared 01:10:15 also just because a thing doesn't exist doesn't mean we should add it 01:10:15 you could count the shadowy demon wraith stuff though 01:10:30 and they don't show up in the same place ever 01:10:31 ~lorocyproca~ 01:10:47 shadow wraith, lorocyproca, unseen horror are perminvis 01:10:52 oh, ghost moth 01:11:26 invis lab rat :| 01:11:42 There are invis laab rats? 01:11:47 there's a tile at least 01:11:50 I think? 01:11:55 a tile for an invisible lab rat? 01:11:57 that doesn't seem likely 01:12:01 TGWi: sinv 01:12:03 it was faded out, like 01:12:08 maybe I'm making that up 01:12:28 ogit hallucinates invisible rats 01:12:47 they're also very quiet 01:13:38 hmm what if it had a tongue attack but it just pulled you in rather than damaging you 01:13:58 we don't have many things that drag you close at the moment 01:14:43 and if it moves you, say, 4 squares or whatever towards it that might bring you into LOS of monsters 01:14:48 we don't have many chameleons in lair yet 01:15:44 what happens in a situation like .@~~l where l is a chameleon and ~ is water? 01:15:51 does the tongue just magically not work over water? 01:15:58 polite chameleons 01:16:09 I guess it's the same as elephants not pushing you into water 01:16:51 if something's going to have a grapple it should be something you care about standing next to 01:17:29 what if chameleons were invisible? 01:17:31 like chameleons 01:17:43 what if they had a petrifying stare?? 01:17:51 to go with the stalking AI 01:17:56 crawl does need basilisks 01:18:24 corpses etc 01:19:06 also grapple lizards would be a bit much with knockback elephants 01:19:28 how about invisibility 01:19:31 elephants don't have that 01:19:52 spell invis is meh 01:20:04 it's more or less the same, just it takes a turn 01:20:06 sky beast works as well 01:20:24 radius is better, at least it's unique 01:20:37 and a ranged attack would fit well with it 01:20:51 it's also less interesting and should go on an assassin-type monster 01:21:13 better flavor too, it's always blending in and you can only make it out close up 01:21:23 so sInv shouldn't affect it 01:21:35 sInv should give you 1 extra radius 01:21:38 sinv flavour is excellent eyesight, as per the mutations 01:22:10 heroism keeps training my UC and it's annoying 01:22:15 how is the same spell you've been seeing since orc wizards more interesting than new behavior 01:22:36 also bleh on sInv flavor 01:22:48 Just increase the radius 01:23:03 I like that flavor 01:23:08 new behavior that doesn't matter vs old, interesting behavior not used by anything even in the same branch 01:23:32 uh 01:23:34 'interesting' 01:23:36 yeah right 01:23:49 invis on a boring monster doesn't make it interesting 01:23:58 fighting this would be different than fighting something you can see across the map 01:24:42 it's not going to be some massive threat but it's not supposed to be 01:25:00 invis + reach might be an ok combo but i think even that would be a bit bland 01:25:19 since in practice invis is just "lure this into a corridor and then get a penalty to hit it until it's dead" 01:25:20 Not everything has to have a chance to instakill you to be interesting. 01:25:38 paralyzing saliva 01:25:56 you know what else you can't see coming? your death 01:26:18 invis with reach is also good 01:26:25 Eronarn: unless you're new chei right :p 01:26:32 invis is lame, limited sight radius is cool 01:26:51 you see invis all game long 01:27:27 p.s. what is the point of mimics 01:27:36 timesink for developers 01:27:59 they're like mechanical traps that work even worse 01:28:22 they're cute and the vault is cute 01:28:36 they used to be cuter but progress marches on 01:28:41 i remember back in the day when guardian naga vaults were either all mimics or all items 01:28:55 and then i suggested that maybe they should be a mix 01:29:07 and then that got turned into '90% mimics 10% worthless floor junk' 01:29:08 :( 01:29:22 OG17: go watch cat videos on youtube 01:29:32 I don't think youtube has any cat videos 01:29:36 fr: stalking cat 01:29:38 for lair 01:29:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQzUsTFqtW0 01:29:51 wait that's not a cat 01:29:54 shit you're right 01:30:59 "cute" is not a design goal 01:31:11 what about "zany" 01:31:17 mimics are boring and harmless 01:31:25 !learn add wandering_mushroom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzzjgBAaWZw 01:31:26