00:12:40 kenku fly / stop flying doesn't work in lichform (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3374) by Celentes 00:29:27 -!- TGWi has left ##crawl-dev 00:34:23 -!- upsy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:39:41 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:39 -!- due has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:44 WTF 00:47:57 apparently crawl-dev isn't in my startup 00:47:59 hello i return etc 00:48:16 Eronarn: if you have access to the scrollback can you email me your comments on my spells.txt? 00:48:29 I've lost them and can't be bothered to dive into my logs. 00:48:47 address? 00:49:10 bookofjude at gmail dot com, thanks 00:51:03 sent 00:51:07 danke 01:12:35 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3365 looks pretty trivial, but stylistically, what's the best way to fix it? (this also applies to similar cases) I'm guessing remove the NON_ITEM check from summoned_it, negate the offending occurrence, and additionally check for NON_ITEM somewhere 01:13:06 oh 01:13:16 let me look, i was in a hurry wen i did it 01:13:50 hm, I'm not sure that is the issue 01:15:08 curious about how crawl's style handles things like that because I notice they come up often and I usually hate dealing with them because both making new variables and doing multiple checks feel messy, and I rarely know the surrounding control well enough to e.g. isolate the NON_ITEM check 01:15:30 why do you need to isolate the NON_ITEM check? 01:16:01 because, as I see it, otherwise it would require giving it its own variable or checking it twice, which I both find messy 01:16:09 I could be just a bit weird, stylistically, though 01:16:24 er 01:16:30 the issue is just that i forgot the negation, i think. 01:16:57 yes but where would you put it? 01:17:06 the fix is 1747 if (summoned_it) -> if (!summoned_it) 01:17:14 and add a !hard_reset to 1757. 01:18:13 the w_ix != NON_ITEM is just a check to make sure that we're not trying to access mitm with an invalid index 01:18:13 pardon me if my previous lines sounded cryptic, but my point there is that then !summoned_it is true when w_idx == NON_ITEM 01:18:33 w_idx will *never* be NON_ITEM for dancing weaposn. 01:18:38 oh 01:18:40 it's just a sanity check 01:19:01 the issue is that i forgot to negate summoned_it and my only test was for banishment rather than direct kills 01:20:36 http://sprunge.us/HPKL 01:20:47 that should fix it 01:20:58 though the change to 1743 is unneccesary, it just makes it a bit clearer. 01:21:47 maybe I'm a bit too used to code, but it looked clearer to me before 01:21:49 anyway got to go do some worky stuff now 01:21:53 bye 01:21:56 having to do a full recompile for some reason so i'll check it whe ni get back 01:22:01 but feel free to fix it and submit a patch 01:24:29 oh I get it 01:24:31 took me a while 01:25:10 it's been a while since I've taken advantage of short-circuiting 01:26:34 -!- Kurper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:11 monqy: a better solution is to just dump the NON_ITEM check and convert it into an assertion 01:41:26 monqy: a better solution is to just dump the NON_ITEM check and convert it into an assertionMSLOT_WEAPON item, we have bigger problems 01:41:44 oops 01:42:06 *If we run into a monster that doesn't have an MSLOT_WEAPON and they're type==MONS_DANCING_WEAPONS, we have bigger problems. 01:46:04 however none of this resolves any of the issues 01:46:09 * due actually goes to do work things 02:20:02 -!- Gnash has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:37:01 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:17 hi 02:38:27 hm 02:38:34 i thought i'd solved my issue but apparently not 02:44:54 KILL_RESET seems only to be used by banishment. 02:48:01 hm, maybe I misunderstand all this. 02:51:06 the comment in enum.h describes it as "abjuration, etc."; not too descriptive, but does monster_die have to deal at all with abjuration? 02:51:37 Yes. 02:51:41 it's incorrect 02:51:50 KILL_RESET is banishment 02:51:55 KILL_DIISMISSED is abjuration 02:52:08 aha 02:52:25 it only uses KILL_RESET when "quiet" is set 02:52:31 otherwise it uses KILL_DISMISSED. 02:52:40 the comment for KILL_DISMISSED is rather bizarre too 02:52:55 the whole thing is totally incorrect 02:52:58 i will remove those comments 02:53:15 anyway, so basically killer == KILL_RESET == banished. 02:53:28 for the very rare instances where KILL_REET != banished, it doesn't matter 02:53:37 because it won't produce a message *anyway* 02:53:50 or it will be a summon expiring siilently in which instance you won't get EXP anyway. 02:55:02 KILL_RESET also happens when you enter a level and there are summoned monsters to expire 03:05:26 okay I think I fixed it 03:05:31 oh that is such a godawful piec eof code 03:05:41 i am now to dinner 03:05:59 03due * r7c43b3ef1951 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Set was_banished earlier in monster_die. 03:06:00 03due * r6f0792b017fe 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Fix reversed login in banished dancing weapon code. 03:06:03 03due * rab3080fdbfa0 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Nuke superfluous was_banished setting; fix summoned monster banishment. 03:06:14 03due * r86e077bd6878 10/crawl-ref/source/mon-stuff.cc: Transfer ENCH_FAKE_ABJURATION through polymorph. 03:12:44 -!- Vandal has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:41 -!- evilmike has quit [] 03:31:07 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:10 !seen due 03:31:10 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:31:10 I last saw due at Wed Feb 2 09:05:41 2011 UTC (25m 29s ago) saying i am now to dinner on ##crawl-dev. 03:31:18 !messages 03:31:19 (1/1) due said (1d 1h 32m 23s ago): Yes, I have been behind this for a while. 03:31:53 !tell due Behind what? My memory is liek a sieve :) Also, you're safe from the cyclone? 03:31:53 dpeg: OK, I'll let due know. 03:32:30 !seen minmay 03:32:30 Sorry dpeg, I haven't seen minmay. 03:44:18 hi dpeg 03:47:18 Hi galehar 03:47:52 galehar: regarding that Beogh thread, it occurred to me that I've been supporting a Haste Other spell at times, too :) 03:48:38 Yeah, that's what I thought :) 03:49:11 But the other ideas from your list are more important anyway, imo. 03:50:44 battle cry and random resistances? 03:51:22 both 03:53:26 With the resistances, we could be in for some pain: if we announce them, players might be tempted to try to give that orc fitting weapon to cover other resistances. If we don't, they could be tempted to play silly minigames of testing the resistances first. 03:55:14 We'll probably have to settle with annoucing them 03:56:04 we also have to improve the AI for choosing equipment. Currently, it completely ignore resistances. And for missiles it's quite crude too. 04:10:16 it doesn't ignore resistances anymore 04:10:26 jpeg changed it to factor those in 04:10:37 the ai for missiles is awful though, yeah 04:11:44 you mean missiles to be used by the allies? 04:12:34 yes 04:12:48 they'll do things like drop a stack of 100 bolts to pick up a single +2 bolt 04:12:59 (100 +0 bolts) 04:13:19 I know humans who'd do the same :) 04:13:28 I didn't notice the change to take into account the resistances. Good. But if Beogh grant followers with random resistance, they will have to take them into account too. 04:13:44 -!- ortoslon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:14:11 lair is so pretty with the new floor tiles 04:14:27 do you propose that as improving the orc's gear or as mutating him? 04:14:27 for the missiles, I think the simplest and efficient behaviour would be for them to have 2 missiles slot. One weighted toward quantity, the other toward quality. 04:14:28 I will probably never see that. 04:14:42 kilobyte: no to gear -- players will abuse 04:14:45 kilobyte: also hi! 04:14:49 kilobyte: mutating them. No harvesting randart from dead companions 04:14:52 dpeg: meow! 04:15:04 galehar: sounds good 04:15:11 galehar: two slots would solve this, yeah 04:15:44 they also will sometimes drop their launcher for what seems to be a worse one, though 04:15:47 ortoslon: it's nice, but it seems to have a weird bug: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3331 04:16:23 or prefer a stack of darts to a crossbow 04:21:11 due: are door mimics supposed to be open or closed? 04:22:10 wouldn't open be suspicious? 04:22:24 lemme check their glyph 04:22:52 closed 04:23:05 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:23:26 just blocking LOS (as in the bug report) isn't enough though, they'd have to block beams as well 04:23:40 there are too many feature mimics generated... but going with greensnark's proposal would solve that, too 04:23:49 kilobyte: true 04:23:57 but that leaves the issue of tossing rocks at them, which needs to be solved anyway 04:24:41 Proposal: 1. Special generation for feature mimics: never place randomly, instead have a small chance to turn an existing feature into a mimic. 04:24:44 2. 04:24:53 they're immune to ranged attacks (even at melee range) 04:25:54 03kilobyte * rc7ab4cf82a9e 10/crawl-ref/source/losparam.cc: Make door mimics block LOS. 04:25:57 yeah, like shooting past a shop 04:26:08 yes 04:32:24 dpeg: would you have anything against a small overhaul of Okawaru? Nothing revolutionary for now, bigger changes can come in 0.9. 04:33:04 Specifically, different abilities, gift chance tied to monster's difficulty. 04:33:06 kilobyte: you have free reign... 04:33:25 do you keep haste? 04:33:26 kilobyte: we talked about what I have in mind already 04:33:38 cool, talked about them with due but he was ok with that too 04:33:44 -!- Celentes has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:45 galehar: no 04:35:11 Might->Heroism (+5 (+10?) to all non-magic skills, no hp from fighting) 04:36:03 Haste->Finesse (halved weapon delay, magic contamination, doesn't need to pump Invo as much) 04:36:54 finesse is basically temporary speed brand? 04:37:20 late game, heroism will be useless, won't it? Weapon skills help little with damage. 04:37:49 gifts based on Ash's tiers (which are in a bad need of improvements, but that's needed for Ash too), I already collected some data we can use to balance it 04:37:58 late game, you've got them maxed out anyway, no? 04:37:59 galehar: that's the point 04:38:03 at least the most relevant ones 04:38:54 Zaba: speed brand, but it stacks, just like haste did. Doesn't stack with real haste and berserk, though. 04:39:24 magic contamination from finesse sounds a little odd 04:39:45 hmm, perhaps 04:41:02 not sure about Finesse, but the point of Heroism is, currently Might is a no-brainer 04:41:56 very cheap, pretty powerful with most weapons (less so for big 2-handers but no one uses these those days) 04:42:04 might is sort of the only reason i'd ever go oka 04:42:47 i guess if the quality of gifts is improved (assuming you're killing high tier enemies) that might help 04:43:50 gifts for popcorn (vanilla orcies in Orc, Hive) are problematic 04:44:17 that's true of trog too i guess 04:44:39 and to a lesser extent every piety-for-kills godf 04:44:40 god* 04:45:39 I'm afraid of V:8 and Zot being significantly better, but 1. it's easy to fiddle with the formula, 2. at that point most of Okawaru's appeal is gone 04:46:06 and at least you'd actually have to kill some nasty stuff to get it 04:46:27 if someone keeps Oka in Pan, it'd result in killing every single lord -- but this is actually good since they can put up a fight 04:46:37 yeah 04:48:10 Troggites don't need as many gifts -- all their gift opportunities go towards a single item type, and Trog's gifts are far better than Okawaru's, so you don't need to scum to get something good 04:50:20 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:57:38 Introduce 27+ skills! 04:57:38 Keskitalo: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 04:57:43 !messages 04:57:43 (1/1) due said (12h 21m 30s ago): Thanks! Yes, it's just based on my opinions at the moment. Dangerous, I know, but hey... 05:07:42 Nerf torment 05:08:14 it makes necromutation too powerful and gamechanging 05:09:41 as of idea, to may be reworked like being an aura around the caster that deals damage to tormentable things around for X% of current hp per round 05:11:25 such torment aura could shrink like silence aura 05:18:46 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:33:45 that okawaru idea sounds a good way to switch base weapon type 05:34:30 +5 to weapon skills so you won't get screwed by delay? 05:35:04 yes 05:35:04 maybe, if that worked it'd be cool 05:35:52 that haste replacement stacks with haste and therefore :o 05:37:35 also, might is not a no brainer 05:40:23 also, RE makhleb greater destruction, I just had an idea: make it cost no piety but give no piety if you kill someone with it. "Makhleb seems pleased with his work." 05:45:45 casmith789: no, neither with haste nor berserk, for obvious reasons 05:46:09 oh. pretty bad, then, I imagine 05:46:36 switching base weapon type would require spamming the ability, and it costs piety 05:46:52 but, if you need a different weapon for a single fight, sure 05:47:06 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:47:07 well you can use a 150 delay weapon against most enemies 05:47:19 like, you're a stabber, found a flail of holy wrath and have an imp to kill 05:47:30 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:47:35 [cast EH] 05:47:37 weapon delay is affected by the skill 05:47:39 but I see your point 05:48:40 flashvoid (L10 SpTm) (D:10) 05:49:13 is +5 to magic skills out of the question? "battle god" can include mages surely 05:52:16 not out of question, but 1. doesn't fit theme, 2. the old ability affected physical combat only 05:52:23 still, it's something we may consider 05:53:02 somehow people play Okawaru less than during the tourney, even with new AC: 05:53:08 !lg * win t s=god 05:53:08 321 games for * (win t): 52x Okawaru, 45x Makhleb, 36x Kikubaaqudgha, 33x Vehumet, 28x The Shining One, 27x Sif Muna, 18x Trog, 18x , 18x Jiyva, 16x Nemelex Xobeh, 6x Zin, 5x Yredelemnul, 5x Elyvilon, 5x Fedhas, 4x Lugonu, 3x Cheibriados, 1x Xom, 1x Beogh 05:53:13 !lg * win cv>=0.8 start>=20110101 s=god 05:53:14 87 games for * (win cv>=0.8 start>=20110101): 13x Trog, 10x The Shining One, 8x Okawaru, 7x Makhleb, 7x Nemelex Xobeh, 7x Ashenzari, 6x Kikubaaqudgha, 6x Vehumet, 4x , 3x Zin, 3x Xom, 3x Fedhas, 3x Sif Muna, 2x Jiyva, 2x Lugonu, 2x Cheibriados, 1x Elyvilon 05:54:17 because he's boring i guess 05:54:18 Sif is really low 05:55:43 people are substituting ash and trog in for oka 05:56:08 mdfi of oka --> mdfi of trog. DrAE of oka --> DrAE of ash. 05:56:59 there have been a ton of FeBe wins which what's putting trog in the lead 05:57:27 -!- ahpla has left ##crawl-dev 06:01:41 !lg * win cv>=0.8 start>=20110101 god=Trog s=char 06:01:42 13 games for * (win cv>=0.8 start>=20110101 god=Trog): 2x SpBe, 2x FeBe, 1x HOBe, 1x CeHu, 1x HaBe, 1x MDAM, 1x SEPr, 1x OgBe, 1x MiBe, 1x KeFi, 1x DEBe 06:02:34 -!- Celentes has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:03:03 ah, most were last year then 06:03:20 !lg * won class=be s=char 06:03:20 308 games for * (won class=be): 53x MiBe, 45x MDBe, 41x DSBe, 24x KoBe, 23x TrBe, 16x HOBe, 16x SpBe, 14x HaBe, 13x DDBe, 11x FeBe, 6x MfBe, 6x KeBe, 6x OgBe, 5x HuBe, 5x NaBe, 4x HDBe, 4x DEBe, 3x CeBe, 2x DrBe, 2x MuBe, 2x HEBe, 2x SEBe, 1x GnBe, 1x GhBe, 1x OMBe, 1x VpBe, 1x GEBe 06:05:14 evening 06:05:15 due: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 06:05:18 !messages 06:05:18 (1/1) dpeg said (2h 33m 25s ago): Behind what? My memory is liek a sieve :) Also, you're safe from the cyclone? 06:05:48 dpeg: So far so good re: cyclone. My memory is worse: I can't even remember what 'behind' was supposed to be. regen -> Necro/Tmut, I imagine. 06:07:34 dpeg: What did you think of my spells.txt addition? 06:08:10 due :D 06:08:14 I programmed something! 06:08:15 http://pastebin.com/8yf4e13u 06:08:34 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08:38 I got advice from another channel, that is where some tricky stuff came from 06:08:42 !tell kilobyte Re: c7ab4cf (door mimick changes): perhaps only unknown door mimicks should block line of sight? 06:08:42 due: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 06:08:49 Vandal: is it crawl? 06:08:52 oh ew 06:08:55 java :( 06:08:55 lol 06:09:02 it is for my CS240 class, I am a CS major now 06:09:07 Whyyyyy java :( 06:09:12 because CS240 requires it 06:09:17 because I want to make Android games :O 06:09:19 "CS major" -> more like cs major MISTAKE. 06:09:23 Oh, Android is okay, actuallyy. 06:09:32 yeah I'm self studying a book about Android 06:09:33 Android is like the only redeeming factor of any Java development. 06:09:37 What book? 06:10:07 Pragmatic_Hello_Android_3rd_Edition_Jul_2010 06:10:08 Professional Android Application Development by Reto Meier is okay. Unfortunately there are a variety of errors scattered throughout so it is problematic in parts. 06:10:27 I looked up the errata on this one, there isn't much 06:10:35 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 06:10:39 Pragmatic Programmer series, Hello Android 06:10:54 Well, I buy all my books second hand, so usually it's a what-I-can-get-my-hands-on kind of thing. 06:11:00 aren't they dumping Java for Python for Android due to Oracle lawsuits? 06:11:00 kilobyte: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 06:11:08 kilobyte: I doubt it. 06:11:15 kilobyte that would be hilarious, I wanted to learn Python 06:11:15 kilobyte: Oracle's law suit is completely spurious. 06:11:29 Oracle is a bag of cockdicks 06:11:31 fuck them 06:11:44 It would also involve a complete rewrite of the entire platform. 06:12:14 Apparently Oracle don't get that using a non-Oracle Java compiler and a non-Oracle JVM with non-Oracle byte code means that it's non-Oracle. 06:12:24 "Oh but you *must* be infringing our patents in some manner!" 06:12:44 fuck them 06:12:44 Anyway, re: books. I have the latest edition of Java in a Nutshell (all 1500 glorious pages), and it cost me pittance because I bought it second hand. 06:12:46 :/ 06:12:48 <3 abebooks.com.au 06:12:51 anyway movie time 06:12:54 see ya 06:13:02 Vandal: Good luck with programming! I highly recommend Java over Python. 06:13:07 really? 06:13:19 Er. 06:13:21 I thought you just said you hate Java outside of Android 06:13:24 XD 06:13:24 My words are reverse. 06:13:27 ah ok 06:13:31 I highly recommend Python over Java. 06:13:33 well, the last I've read about the lawsuit, it was about who (someone at Google or at the Apache Foundation) took a number of source files and removed copyright statements 06:13:36 well my class is in Java, so Java I shall learn 06:13:44 isn't due the one with ~8 weeks of java experience? :) 06:13:45 for now 06:13:56 bhaak: More like 3 months, but sure. 06:13:59 Python, Java, Cobol, Visual Basic... all are masochism 06:14:09 due: in that case, I said nothing :-) 06:14:26 bhaak: Enough to know that the entire game could be rewritten in Python in maybe 10 or so lines, excluding interactions. :) 06:14:31 kilobyte what is your favorite? 06:15:29 choosing among languages you can use for real projects, or among all languages at all? If the latter, I'd say LPC. 06:15:48 I like Inform a lot. 06:15:53 Never even heard of LPC :o 06:16:02 what about the former, kilo? 06:16:06 Vandal: It's a MUD programming language. I had to look it upp. :) 06:16:09 heh 06:16:25 Inform is very similar, but ohhh so pretty. 06:16:29 inform? the thing you use to write adventure games in? 06:16:44 RjY: Interactive Fiction, but close enough, yeah. 06:18:42 LPC has no unnecessary complexity like C++, is terse without being unreadable, has a number of nifty constructs 06:18:44 i wrote a bit of inform6 years and years ago, don't recall much about it 06:18:56 i hear the new version is meant to be like writing natural language 06:19:53 think of it as of Perl with C syntax 06:21:00 due: choosing the wrong language for a task often has this kind of effect. but sometimes you have to adjust the ideal tools to other constraints. like hardware (as android or iphone) or available programmers :) 06:24:32 back 06:28:13 !tell due spells.txt is awesome! I kept the commit mail, because I wanted to give praise on c-r-d, but perhaps that's not needed anymore :) 06:28:13 dpeg: OK, I'll let due know. 06:33:38 Ko and Ha are nearly identical. 06:34:55 last minute subtraction for 0.8: -Ha? :) 06:35:26 people would miss them but if you look at the differences there are hardly any 06:36:03 there's this bit about shield # sling 06:36:09 # = + 06:36:45 other than that their apts are really almost identical though, with ko tending to be slightly better 06:37:03 true, that's about it though. And kobolds have a good sling apt anyway so you could do that if you wanted easily. 06:37:13 Isn't Halfling yet another tolkenism? Off with their little heads! 06:37:13 maybe if their magic apts were differentiated too 06:37:47 I wrote to RangerC the other day but didn't get a response :( 06:38:03 what was rangerc doing again? 06:38:12 possibly doing DG 06:38:26 Ah, yes. 06:38:40 much cooler than Ha =) 06:40:34 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=1455#p1455 06:41:08 MarvinPA: will I exasperate? 06:41:18 nono, just an old Ha suggestion 06:41:56 got a little support, maybe something in that direction would differentiate them 06:42:19 i'd probably make the apt change more significant than rangerc suggested there 06:42:36 i'm not really opposed to removing Ha either if that'd be a better solution, though :P 06:43:11 I really like this feeling of removing a species. Such good contrast to all those additions. 06:43:19 hehe 06:43:23 remove Cj too :p 06:43:43 backgrounds have a little less appeal (to me, at least) 06:45:25 :P 06:45:28 i like ha :( 06:45:31 we went over all this like a year ago 06:45:42 and I said "give them more hp than Ko and better Shield apt" and you did 06:45:44 then I beat the game with it 06:45:54 XD 06:46:48 Ha are dif, better Hunters than Ko as a result 06:48:31 the only real difference between them is the slings/shields apts though 06:48:43 I thought their magic apts were different too 06:48:46 magic, stealth, dodging, stabbing, fighting are all either identical or ko are better 06:49:06 then again I haven't compared them since stats were simplified 06:49:58 stats / apts I mean 06:50:21 ko are 1 better in necro, poison, tmut, spellcasting, everything else is identical 06:50:24 I made a whole page with new racial stuff 06:50:27 magic-wise 06:50:31 for Halflings to be distinct with 06:50:52 I thought people liked a lot of those ideas 06:51:28 Surr (L11 HOCr) (Lair:5) 06:51:37 Halfling itself isn't exactly a Tolkeinism, if anything I would call it a D&Dism 06:51:47 which was just ripping off Tolkein 06:51:48 :3 06:51:49 Vandal: doesn't make it better! 06:52:05 dpeg do you remember that page with all the new stuff they could get? 06:52:23 at the time you seemed to like it 06:52:32 Vandal: no, but if people got it right, just search for Halfling on the wiki search box 06:52:41 well i'd start with differentiating the apts 06:53:10 [07:45] we went over all this like 06:53:12 woops 06:53:19 apts were not as different as I had suggested 06:53:24 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:species:halfling 06:53:32 yes, looking at that 06:53:35 and a lot of it was based on the whole trap constructing thing 06:53:38 coming into the game 06:53:43 which really should come 06:53:45 A proper thief god 06:53:52 ...the only way to save T&D skill 06:53:53 etc... 06:54:20 some sort of innate mutation/sickness/something resistance was suggested in a bunch of places too, i wouldn't go overboard with racial traits though 06:54:35 well it has a variety of methods to make them unique 06:54:39 pick and choose :P 06:55:30 ah looks like people took this page and ran with it 06:55:43 I hadn't seen the added ideas 06:55:43 "unique" as in "you are a kobold with some extra mutations" 06:56:04 sp is a kobold with extra mutations 06:56:09 etc... 06:56:28 a fast kobold that eats plants instead of meat 06:56:41 and has completely different apts and playstyle 06:57:03 Sp and Ko are diverse enough, I decree :) 06:57:15 sure 07:22:45 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:09 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:43 the royal jelly can get teleported in one of the treasure vault: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=460 07:31:46 looks like a bug 07:31:51 yes 07:32:13 monsters ignoring no_rtele_into 07:33:26 Surr (L11 HOCr) (Lair:5) 07:33:53 Surr (L11 HOCr) (Lair:5) 07:40:58 Using tomb card causes the game to crash (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=3375) by Surr 07:48:38 I would miss Ha :( 07:48:38 due: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 07:48:44 !messages 07:48:45 (1/1) dpeg said (1h 20m 32s ago): spells.txt is awesome! I kept the commit mail, because I wanted to give praise on c-r-d, but perhaps that's not needed anymore :) 07:48:51 :) 07:50:48 Surr (L12 HOCr) (Lair:6) 07:51:22 !lm * type=crash -log 07:51:22 561. Surr, XL12 HOCr, T:13766 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/Surr/crash-Surr-20110202-135047.txt 07:51:39 yay tomb card 07:53:24 due: should be alread yfixed 07:53:32 due: of course, I already disagree on your interpretation of Conjuration :) 07:53:58 due: did you read my two points on mimics? 08:09:33 -!- galehar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:21:47 due: is it possible your banishment code caused MONS_NO_MONSTER to be banished? Ie, by prematurely cleaning a monster. 08:23:18 Seems the most likely explanation for clouded's crash, and any information to what could have happened is gone (it's on the transit list). 08:43:05 03kilobyte * r426508ea806e 10/crawl-ref/source/ (25 files in 2 dirs): Okawaru: Might -> Heroism. 08:43:16 03kilobyte * r3bfabe92e2a4 10/crawl-ref/source/ (16 files in 2 dirs): Okawaru: Haste -> Finesse. 08:46:02 wow. Does finesse affect casters at all? 08:46:35 no, casters can do this for no piety 08:46:57 no piety? 08:47:08 you mean casting haste? 08:47:08 I'm afraid Heroism isn't enough of a nerf, with +10 it might be actually a boost early on. 08:47:52 does wiglaf get these? 08:48:02 or whatever he's called now 08:48:23 i forgot whether it got changed back 08:48:23 !lg * win t god=Okawaru s=char 08:48:23 52 games for * (win t god=Okawaru): 14x SpEn, 9x HaTm, 3x MfIE, 3x MfCr, 2x KoCr, 2x SEAs, 2x DSAs, 1x CeHe, 1x DSFi, 1x MfTm, 1x KeMo, 1x MDEn, 1x DSMo, 1x SpSt, 1x SEMo, 1x SpFi, 1x NaPr, 1x DSSt, 1x GhFE, 1x VpMo, 1x HaWr, 1x HaHu, 1x TrAE, 1x HEWz 08:50:22 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 08:51:56 -!- Gnash has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:07 I'll rebalance gifts and wait for feedback before changing Wiglaf, it'd be better to not have to change him over and over as we balance the abilities. 08:53:27 gifts are changing? 08:53:54 for now, only quantity->quality 08:54:00 of triggers, not gifts 08:54:42 nothing for popcorn, more for worthy opponents 08:55:09 ah. 08:55:32 of course, there's far fewer worthy opponents than popcorn... 08:55:36 I take it finesse doesnt stack with haste :P 08:55:57 well, it's supposed to be a nerf :p 08:56:13 no-one used oka haste beforehand 08:56:20 so if it's useful it's a buff :p 08:56:44