00:02:59 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23:06 I've seen monsters shoot IOODs with visible monsters in the way 00:23:27 also I had a lich shoot two IOODs in a row and they collided and damaged the lich 00:24:07 I forget whether I've seen Aizul sleep a monster in 0.8, but that bug could still be around too 00:34:55 is the fix to #3305 on CDO yet? an orc wizard can't decide whether it wants to be in front of or behind another orc. there's a corner involved, if it matters at all 00:36:33 monqy: ?V in your game 00:36:43 then check git log to see what commit it was fixed in 00:36:43 0.8.0-a0-4825-gd568884 00:37:17 Git log says no. 00:37:40 for future reference, how do I compare commit hashes 00:37:56 4825-g <-- dump that bid 00:38:11 go to crawl dir, type git log d568884 and it will show you the log for that commit 00:38:49 alternatley do git log d568884..HEAD and if the fix is in that set, you know it's not on CDO 01:07:53 -!- evilmike has quit [] 01:40:29 -!- TGWi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:49 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:02 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:21 hi 02:49:12 rehi galehar 02:50:54 megabat sounds like something out of a roguelike with a computer setting, not a fantasy setting :) 02:51:39 i feel like a broken down record when i have to say that it's a real animal ;) 02:51:47 anyway, i refuse to get involved in yet another bike shed discussion about megabats. 02:52:24 I just wanted to express my feelings, not start a flame war :) 02:52:48 i didn't mean to imply otherwise 02:52:49 The megabat shoots you with a laser pistol. 02:52:59 just wanted to state that this was all i intended to say about the matter :0 02:53:00 *:) 02:53:47 interestingly, megabat is *not* a playable scrabble word :o 02:54:00 Yay! 02:54:25 if i wanted to start a flame war, I would ask "can a megabat grow into a gigabat and eventually into a petabat?" 02:54:41 bhaak: That joke's been done to death, though :) 02:54:48 yottabats 02:55:08 And someone made an exquisitely snarky joke about kilobats preferring circular LOS 02:56:04 i never said i'm good at starting flame wars :) 02:56:33 I believe Keskitalo also added mention of picobats to bad_ideas 02:56:39 Not to mention any names 02:56:46 Oh wait, I did mention names. Nevermidnd. 02:57:54 not enough coffee? :) 02:58:11 personally I prefer the sixfirhy naming strategy to the megabat naming strategy 02:58:17 too bad it only works for demons 02:58:31 !coffee 02:58:39 I wonder how yredelemnul and kikubaaqudgha were named 02:58:44 * Henzell hands greensnark a cup of irish coffee, brewed by Kikubaaqudgha. 02:58:46 yredelemnul and kikubaaqudgha are great names 02:58:57 Agreed 03:00:31 cool, googling for megabat crawl actually gives dcss-related links 03:01:53 I'm almost afraid to aask. 03:02:25 yredelemnul is linley henzell's irc name isn't it? 03:02:56 yes, though dpeg stole it once 03:02:58 He did use it once, don't know if he uses it regularly 03:03:06 I don't think it came from that though. 03:03:07 of course that doesn't explain where it came from 03:03:17 -!- greensnark is now known as Crazy_Yiuf 03:03:23 I recall seeing a log where linley joined as linleyh, left, and returned as yredelemnul 03:03:59 Probably just the irc client using his username as the default. 03:04:00 in reality people are rather uncreative in naming. most places mean place, river or town in some language :) 03:04:01 Crazy_Yiuf: <3! 03:04:18 sorry due, my line coming just after yours makes me sound rude, i didn't mean that 03:04:20 bhaak: Yes, it is unfortunate, innit? 03:04:20 Crazy Yiuf is crazy awesome 03:04:35 RjY: i did not find it rude at all, so no worries! 03:05:05 mostly because i read it as, of course, that doesn't explain where it came from 03:05:12 rathehr than 'of COURSE that doesn't explain where it came from' 03:05:15 Porcupine on keyboard, I say 03:05:51 A fluffy porcupine-whippet 03:05:53 Crazy_Yiuf: Can you think of any reason not to move shop inventories out of the igrd? 03:05:56 porcupines need buffing 03:06:07 they're getting spines eventually right 03:06:08 Also I notice someone added the word "Goober" to Crazy Yiuf's wordlist 03:06:34 Not to mention any names, but I think it was due being naughty 03:06:39 monqy: when someone codes it 03:06:55 due: Yeah, shop inventory should be moved off the map grid already 03:06:59 Crazy_Yiuf: i don't rmeember, i was in an odd state that night 03:07:03 Ideally without breaking saves 03:07:21 oh, not breaking saves is easy 03:07:26 moin! 03:07:27 due: Yes, that is apparent. Illywillydillykilly. 03:07:28 i hope 03:07:42 Crazy_Yiuf: I found most of it hilarious. I may have been drunk... 03:07:53 It is awesome. 03:08:02 (FSVO drunk that don't include alcohol but do include prescription drugs.) 03:08:04 * Crazy_Yiuf toodlewoodles due. 03:08:17 I have no idea what toodlewoodling involves, but it sounds amusing. 03:08:19 Anyway, IF items are unsaved before shops 03:08:49 It should be a simple matter of checking the minorVersion in the shop unloading and if restoring from an old save, shift the inventory out of the igrd and into the shop, or otherwise loading the inventory fro mthe file. 03:08:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab9C0klYilw 03:08:58 I ... think 03:09:06 geez, that took me a while to uncover Crazy_Yiuf 03:09:07 :D 03:09:14 sometimes I find it difficult to comprehend save compat in my heae 03:09:22 !coffee greensnark 03:09:23 * Henzell hands greensnark a cup of latte macchiato, brewed by Yredelemnul. 03:09:28 Crazy Yiuf moves in mysterious ways his wonders to perform. 03:09:44 Also, the mills of Crazy Yiuf grind weirdly, but they grind exceeding snockshim. 03:12:22 We should give unseen horrors a paralytic attack. 03:12:34 valrus: pong 12300secs 03:12:46 I've always wanted frogs to have a chance of dropping dead when they croak. 03:13:19 hahaha 03:13:49 "The giant frog croaks! it... and dies." 03:14:39 -!- purge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14:51 kilobyte: are you planning on doing the hashing for invis positioning or should i disable it for now/ 03:15:22 due: haven't been kicked often enough 03:15:42 remember that I have the attention span of a stoned tadpole 03:15:44 * due kicks kilobyte a few times. 03:16:20 A stoned tadpole sounds like, totally, tail-recursive, dude. 03:16:34 how different is that from that of a sober tadpole 03:17:02 Sober tadpoles have legedary attention spans. 03:17:37 considering amphetamines improve my attention span i'm not sure why stoned actually causes issues. 03:20:54 Well, when you're stoned you may start throwing things at feature mimics. 03:22:29 oh i need to fix that 03:22:39 but i am going to finish reorganising my sock drawer 03:22:39 brb 03:28:08 i don't know if this has occurred to anyone else but i think feature mimics need to only mimic things that are common on the level or at least dungeon branch they are in 03:28:27 as an extreme case, i found a labyrinth entrance but since i knew i hadn't heard a distant snort for that level, i knew it had to be a mimic 03:29:51 We also need to check if a labyrinth was already generated. Because now it's only once per game. 03:30:13 why do we need to try sohard, though? 03:30:23 Item mimics are usually "crazy good" items that are too god to be true. 03:31:35 if it's easy to determine it's a mimic, it's purely an interface screw 03:34:21 due: well if item mimics mimic too good to be true items, but feature mimics are largely undetectable until you're right next to them, then that distinguishes them better 03:35:02 For feature mimics it seems best to generate the level as normal and use a low probability of convertng real features to mimics 03:35:20 This will have the added bonus of enraging people who are deprived of their bazaars, etc. 03:35:30 hehehe 03:35:35 I'm planning on doin gthat with doors 03:35:37 I am always in favour of enraging players who have an overwrought sense of entitlement 03:36:10 feature mimics are a higher level, cleverer form of mimic, prepared to bide their time. item mimics are younger, and more arrogant, trying to tempt the unwary 03:36:45 we can up the chance of bazaars to compensate, if that's a problem 03:36:58 bazaar/lab announcements would be good 03:37:02 I don't think we should. I enjoy these screams of rage. 03:37:17 As long as we use a low probability of mimickisation 03:37:29 And you can totally try to use that last word in Scrabble 03:37:36 ??schadenfreude 03:37:36 greensnark[1/5]: Doesn't wear pants. 03:37:37 mimickification 03:37:43 lol 03:38:26 playable: "Mimi"+cal, cked, cker, ckers, cking, cries, cry. 03:38:44 But that's the dictionary which only defines woords up to 10 letters. 03:39:56 you mean, you can't play "pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis" in Scrabble? What a broken game. 03:40:33 The inventor of that word was obviously a German or Finn at heart 03:40:44 Or possibly an unholy hybrid of both 03:40:56 The tournament word list has longer words. 03:40:59 but that book is in my car. 03:41:13 Wait, mimical is a word? 03:41:23 Yes 03:41:25 It sounds like something Crazy Yiuf might say. 03:41:45 mimical? isn't that a programming language from the seventies 03:42:14 ;) 03:42:26 Crazy Yiuf's programming language written for mimics who know Intercal 03:43:20 so who wants to guess what episodite is 03:43:27 hint: it has nothing to do with episodes. 03:44:38 it sounds like a salt 03:44:51 or some form of mineral at least 03:45:11 Whoever comes up with Scrabble wordlists is someone Crazy Yiuf wants to meet. 03:45:19 Soul mates, obviously 03:45:43 Unless this is some kind of Latvian Scrabble wordlist 04:14:14 hayenne (L18 FeBe) (D:1 (Sprint)) 04:19:10 monqy, due: you can just "git log 0.8.0-a0-4825-gd568884" (or any other git command that expects a commit reference) 04:23:12 oh that works? 04:23:22 i didn't realise that was properly parsed 04:23:31 but i suppose the tag will be picked up, etc 04:45:29 -!- Mu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:49:17 -!- monqy has quit [Quit: hello] 04:55:59 Napkin: You should link to SporkHack from crawl.develz.org 04:56:31 http://sporkhack.nineball.org/ ? 04:56:51 We have Mu_ the greater in our midst, in all his underscored, tasseled, plumed, shadow-crowned, cacodemonic glory 04:57:05 I, uh, may have ruined it with that last adjective 04:57:14 Napkin: Yes 04:57:27 cacodemonic or glory? 04:57:30 Napkin: Or rather, sporkhack.org 04:57:30 Both are adjectives. 04:57:34 no wait 04:57:37 their not never mind 04:58:01 Trees! 04:59:39 sporkhack.org could use some sprucing up, maybe with a picture of a master lich shopkeeper or two 04:59:45 * bhaak should link to sporkhack.org too from his blog :) 05:00:12 sure guys? roguebasin says: 8/2009: Starting in early 2009, SporkHack no longer is maintaining its prior rapid development pace; the developer has had his time pulled away by Pesky Real Life(tm) 05:00:23 Minimalist web pages are good, but I wonder if sporkhack.org is slightly overminimalist 05:00:36 Napkin: that's the curse of nethack variant developer 05:00:51 Isn't paxed still active on spork? 05:01:03 somewhat 05:01:11 Spork is lorimer+paxed 05:01:13 Damn that real life! 05:01:21 last commit was: r817 | paxed | 2010-09-22 16:09:35 +0200 (Wed, 22 Sep 2010) | 2 lines 05:01:44 -!- hashc has joined ##crawl-dev 05:01:51 Wow, I guess Finns really do hibernate in the winter 05:01:58 paxed's Elizabot is pretty damn good 05:02:05 It had me convinced he was awake and stuff 05:04:06 hehe 05:04:20 Crazy_Yiuf, is there a reason i shouldn't start impllementing the read-only interfaces for Lua libraries? 05:04:25 (for documentation) 05:04:37 Argh, I have to go read that tl;dr mail :) 05:04:43 yes, you do :) 05:04:56 sorry, I am verbose 05:05:09 you can skim it and still achieve complet eunderstand, probably. 05:05:09 Crazy_Yiuf's idea about feature mimic generation is awesome. 05:05:11 I was hoping Enne would answer and save me the trouble, but Enne is subtle and crafty in these matters 05:05:24 dpeg: agree, also i did not see you sneak in there 05:05:33 Everything about Crazy_Yiuf is awesome 05:05:35 clearly you have been hiding here all the time 05:05:39 * Crazy_Yiuf wields a hammer. 05:06:23 Has anyone noticed that I substituted the original name of "Pikey" for the name of a Silversun Pickups album? :D 05:06:30 -!- Crazy_Yiuf changed the topic of ##crawl-dev to: Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 05:06:51 Oh damn, apparently Pikel is also a D&D name. 05:06:55 * dpeg has Stlth+++ 05:06:59 dpeg: so true 05:07:09 Also, it's Pikul, not Pikel, huh. Oh well. 05:07:15 Anyway, time to read this book I will be back in a little bit 05:07:35 I wonder if I should add an anti-Tolkien/D&D paragraph to the pas-de-faq. 05:07:54 I behold a dpeg, wearing a ring of Shadows and the crown of Dyropreva and riding a lobster with claws of red flame. 05:08:03 Damn, misspelled Dyrovepreva 05:14:17 dpeg: yes 05:14:34 moin 05:14:37 Zaba: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:14:41 !messages 05:15:00 (1/1) greensnark said (14h 47m 7s ago): You should work on that idea to make more layout types compatible with primary vaults. 05:15:41 Crazy_Yiuf, the problem is more of making primary vaults more compatible with other layouts... 05:15:46 kilobyte: That is unfortunate re: terminal on Windows. Based on a comment jpeg made I assumed that all the printfs got piped out there. 05:16:07 -!- Crazy_Yiuf is now known as greensnark 05:16:25 I miss Crazy_Yiuf :( 05:16:39 * greensnark recalibrates his personality. 05:16:51 -!- hashc has left ##crawl-dev 05:19:06 greensnarking! 05:20:07 greensnark, let me recall what the primary issues with that change that built all vaults as secondary were. 05:20:26 crawl devs have split personalities 05:20:35 Adeon: this only just occurred to you? 05:20:44 greensnark: link created :) 05:20:51 greensnark, large vaults became ridiculously rare, because they have almost always broken connectivity of thel evel and thus caused a veto 05:20:58 greensnark, that affected branch endings in a very noticeable way 05:21:11 the church crypt:5 practically became non-existent 05:21:29 oay, i am sleep 05:21:50 D:1 had its stairs messed up very often, but that could get fixed with sufficient beating around if the rest of the problems were fixed 05:22:57 greensnark, basically, the problem is that among current primary vaults, there are ones that would work fine with other layouts, ones that wouldn't, ones that would work fine if placed as secondary, and ones that wouldn't. 05:23:12 but there is no clear distinction between them 05:23:57 about hayenne's crash, a deep elf conjurer somehow had SPELL_STICKY_FLAME rather than SPELL_STICKY_FLAME_RANGE 05:24:01 worse, people sometimes make ORIENT vaults without understanding the implications 05:24:29 the fault is at my part there, I really should update the level design docs at some poitn 05:24:31 point* 05:25:09 Zaba: yeah, that's black magic currently 05:25:20 well, dungeon.cc parts aren't 05:25:28 I haven't looked at the code that picks the place for the vault, though 05:25:43 or do you mean to the casual vault maker? 05:26:14 kilobyte: hey cool, old save? 05:26:18 it's actually documented pretty accurately, aside from the exit connection parts. The problem is that "placed before the rest of the level is built" doesn't really tell you much. 05:26:28 it doesn't tell you _how_ the level is built, for example 05:26:45 due: quite, I don't see any relevant commits, though 05:27:07 Possibly it got overlooked? 05:27:22 And there just weren't any instances where saved monsters had sticky flame. 05:27:42 Apart from deep elf conjurers and a few demons, i can't think of any monsters that would have sticky flame normally. 05:27:55 -!- galehar_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:55 drac scorchers 05:29:49 er 05:29:51 ah yeah, I see where the bug is, save compat was slightly broken in that commit 05:29:54 i meant many monsters, not any monsters 05:30:28 kilobyte: but only in such a way that only saved monsters with the sticky flame spell were afected? 05:30:37 exactly 05:32:49 due: I've replied to the tl;dr mail with an ebl;itr mail 05:32:57 (even bloody longer; impossible to read) 05:33:00 :D 05:33:17 Well, it felt even longer although it is apparently shorter 05:33:58 I want a prroton torpedo. 05:34:33 re: you.launch_proton_torpedoes. How do you demarcate arguments? 05:34:45 Same as regular doxy style 05:35:00 hm. 05:35:09 Hm, so if you put @param in and is not in the arg list, it still accepts it? 05:35:11 If doxygen makes it too painful to handle arbitrary lists of arguments, we bolt that logic into the hypothetical preprocessor 05:35:17 That would make sense. 05:35:33 due: We'd need a preprocessor of some sort, since we also want to document Lua functions in .lua 05:35:33 what are the current technical differences between minivaults and non-minivaults? Maybe we should put them into separate tags instead of making it all-or-nothing dependent on ORIENT. 05:35:40 For instance dat/clua has a lot of Lua api 05:35:53 Yes, problematic. 05:35:57 hey, here, take it: a proton torpedo. Has plenty of neutrons and electrons too! In fact, exactly as many electrons as protons. 05:36:20 kilobyte: Yeah, but we usually don't need to spell that out :) 05:36:41 I want my proton torpedo with no electrons :( I'm allergic :( 05:37:11 or another technobabble gem: "molecular cannon" 05:37:12 You'll eat your proton torpedo and like it 05:37:27 I want a particle accelerator. 05:37:36 A lot of "scifi" is technobabble 05:37:49 Like that new Star Trek movie I was compelled to watch by "friends" 05:38:01 What do you get when you put "o", "wa", "ni" and "ga" on the front of a high speed train? 05:38:06 Accelerated particles! TADA! 05:38:19 I will be forever scarred by the suggestion that flying through the rings of Saturn would magnetise the spaceship and make it invisible 05:38:24 Whatever were they smoking 05:38:28 Cross-discipline puns ftw. 05:38:47 (Cross-lingual AND cross-discipline. I'm smoking tonight.) 05:38:58 Isn't it awesome that vim is fully :Ni! compliant 05:39:58 greensnark: okay so basically the thought you have is one I had a bit later that was moer laong the "we should probably do it this way" lines rather than a "here is an interesting hack that might make it quicker". 05:40:05 But then quickeer means more difficult to maintain 05:40:17 and it would probably fall apart at some later date so yes, my idea was a bit crazy :) 05:40:28 "oh well i like being crazy" :D 05:40:53 Yes, it's best to make things as easy as possible for the people going about their daily programming 05:41:12 Otherwise no matter how much you crack the whip, they will not update those docs properly :P 05:41:25 i am the only one who has written any documentation so far :( 05:41:32 :) 05:41:45 oh well :) 05:42:05 my basic thing is: if i update code i document every function that i'm editing. 05:42:09 or class or whatever. 05:43:01 anyway, goodngiht for real etc 05:43:28 Night! 05:44:37 greensnark: <3 Ni! vim compliance 05:45:31 03galehar * r4628df53927c 10/crawl-ref/source/spl-other.cc: Fix a crash when subliming your last blood potion. 05:45:32 03galehar * r6199a394b391 10/crawl-ref/source/main.cc: Don't prompt for partial stack pickup when travelling. 06:12:26 Zaba: Yeah, we should factor out vault placement into appropriate flags 06:12:45 Currently minivaults become ORIENT: float with the minivault tag 06:28:15 -!- valrus has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:23 03galehar * r07a9c8fbec1c 10/crawl-ref/source/items.cc: Clear stack autopickup flag when dropping an item on top of it. 06:34:25 -!- Ashenzari has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:35:27 -!- Ashenzari has joined ##crawl-dev 06:35:27 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Logs: http://tozt.net/crawl | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 06:42:32 -!- valrus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:45:55 -!- cw_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:33 regarding :Ni!, monty python was funny but i'm afraid to say i find the tendency for nerds to put references to it everywhere irritating 06:49:33 i mean, come up with some original humour already 06:50:01 of course, Monthy Python's jokes are overdone 06:50:05 that's another thing i didn't like in nethack, too many nerd references 06:50:11 but I bet this command is old... 06:50:44 RjY: Well, that's a classic subjective opinion. You can do original humour *and* homage and where you draw the line is superfuzzy 06:50:56 Or should I say megafuzzy 06:51:02 I should. 06:51:11 It's as megafuzzy as a megabat 06:51:20 That's no concern at all since Monthy Python is less than 300 years old. 06:51:37 Fortunatly vim has no such arbitrary constraints :P 06:51:38 Nobody in his sane mind would make references to it. 06:51:45 even if you add there ages up? 06:51:50 *their 06:51:58 the larch 06:51:59 -!- upsy has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:15 dpeg: bhaak is adding autoexplore to un 06:52:20 dpeg: The end s nigh! 06:52:28 * greensnark kicks his i key. 06:52:30 oh no! We'll lose half our player base :( 06:52:34 Exactly 06:52:51 and three thirds of your developer base! 06:52:56 we have to relatiate: autofight, autothink, autolaundry 06:53:04 ofc, there are always rounding errors 06:53:11 autolaundry <3 06:53:24 crawl characters have pants? 06:54:02 let's strip 'em 06:54:07 We care about modesty of our characters: their private parts are only available for inspection once they 06:54:10 nudity have always brought plenty of players 06:54:13 're dead and mangled 06:56:02 DCSS frontpage: 0.8 released. With boobs and megabats! 06:56:15 I bet we beat NH! 06:56:39 cool, nethack with autoexplore. good luck with that, bhaak 06:57:00 Erolcha shows her magnificient breasts: ogrish, lurid, fetid, and other words whose meaning I don't know. 06:57:10 If we add autolaundry to Crawl, we will totally rule the world 06:57:15 I would *kill* for autolaundry 06:57:24 * dpeg has secretly hoped we'd manage to get XXX rating on violence alone. 06:57:27 Crawl: "It even does your laundry!" 06:58:06 greensnark: protip: don't kill females for autolaundry. 06:58:07 I can't wait for US lawmakers to denounce Crawl for its explicit sexual content. "These characters run around without pants!" 06:58:24 RjY: as in "good luck with getting it to work"? 06:59:57 -!- Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00:15 bhaak: no, i wasn't being sarcastic :P 07:01:13 These days you can't say "good luck with that" and expect anyone to think you mean it 07:01:35 You have to say "good luck with that, no seriously, I'm not being sarcastic and I wish you success!" 07:01:45 i played crawl for a week and then tried going back to a nethack game i had going and i couldn't play it because of no autoexplore/interlevel travel/opening doors automatically by walking into them/etc.etc. 07:01:52 RjY: okay :) you never know. there are several people that think that autoexplore in nethack is useless or just plain dangerous and will kill you 07:02:00 Un has auto-open for doors 07:02:20 Although you, uh, still have to line up orthogonally with the door 07:02:25 that was an old patch for vanilla, iirc... bhaak probably took it right away 07:02:30 yepp 07:02:35 greensnark: that's tactics! 07:02:56 greensnark: not for opening, for walking through the door 07:03:05 dpeg: I love how NH makes life more miserable in general just to make it easier to prevent shoplifting 07:03:09 being able to fire spells at things without having to line it up on a compass direction, that was another 07:03:12 greensnark: yeah 07:03:13 The entire NH shop system is a massive perversion 07:03:26 autoexplore doesn't seem to me like it would be that useful in NH, but interlevel travel would be great 07:03:30 greensnark: well, it started with one great idea... and degenerated from there 07:03:31 but i guess that's part of the game, there's too much knights-move monster AI that relies on compass direction attacks 07:03:35 "Let's add a shopping minigame just because it looks cool" 07:03:38 elliptic: yes, couldn't play without it 07:03:55 The great idea being that the stock is laid out in array of actual items. 07:04:21 The haggling, stealing, selling is all insane rubbish, in my opinion. 07:04:22 dpeg: So I have to clump all over the map just to buy an item if I'm *not* shoplifting 07:04:32 And if I am shoplifting oh-god-the-tedium 07:04:41 I prefer Crawl's vending machines 07:04:46 ADOM shops are better, much simpler to steal from :P 07:04:59 aha someone else calls them vending machines! 07:05:16 The thief god will show you how stealing should be done: there'll be a Steal option in a shop :) 07:05:32 RjY: Yes! And vending machines are totally more than 300 years old :) 07:05:50 vending machines are over 9000 years old :P 07:05:58 What, really? 07:06:11 i think if you're powerful enough you should be able to knock over a shop and rob it on pain of being swamped by hundreds of vault guards 07:06:21 Zaba has this annoying habit of indicating he's serious by adding a ":P" 07:06:49 permanent but 0-xp vault guards naturally 07:06:55 Zaba: wikipedia doesn't support your opinion. but 2000 years is good enough for crawl :) 07:07:12 bhaak, I was just throwing in a meme. 07:07:25 bhaak: Zaba is actually from 7000 years in the future 07:07:32 Oh, over 9000 07:07:35 * greensnark shoots Zaba 07:07:39 haha :P 07:07:55 I hate that over 9000 crap :P 07:08:01 that's impressive 07:08:17 greensnark: you can't be for monty python references and against internet memes! 07:08:18 i don't think i could do programming with languages older than 50 years. I'd have to kill myself 07:08:18 it's so horribly overused, it's approaching 'unrecognizable' from the other side now 07:08:32 since they're both equally done to death ;) 07:08:32 most internet memes are lame! 07:08:37 RjY: Of course I can :P 07:09:05 it's like saying "you can't like shakespeare and dislike dan brown"! 07:09:13 I should watch Life of Brian again just for the Judean People's front 07:09:40 Actually, Dan Brown is great 07:09:51 -!- galehar_ has quit [Quit: disconnect] 07:09:51 for me to poop on! 07:10:01 Dan Brown's books are like a big sign saying "I am an idiot" that people carry voluntarily 07:10:12 Also see: Twilight 07:10:45 twilight is not so bad ... if you're a 14 year old girl 07:11:14 it's bad even then 07:11:22 now if you're a 30 year old woman pretending to have a 14 year old girl's taste ... that's bad 07:11:34 hopefully you're pretending 07:11:44 I mean, it's just rubbish, it's so obviously rubbish that even a 14 year old girl should be able to realize that 07:11:57 Have you only read Shakespear when 14? 07:11:59 Also someone should tell the author of Twilight that they have a typo in their name 07:12:11 Every time I see "Stephenie" mentioned somewhere I feel like throwing up 07:12:17 i just say "rampant hormones" 07:12:37 * dpeg slaps this self-righeous crowd. 07:12:40 dpeg: I certainly didn't read dan brown when i was 14 07:12:50 -!- greensnark is now known as Zin 07:12:54 so how about that crawl eh 07:13:11 IIRC that must have been the time of tolkien 07:13:49 Dammit, I was going to toss out a few recite quotes at dpeg to chasten him, but I can't find it :P 07:14:26 Our SF page should request donations, promising to award Zin piety in return. 07:17:04 haha 07:17:25 I find it a bit worrisome that good people now use rgrm to ask for money. 07:17:32 Please tell me that we don't do that. 07:18:01 I don't recall asking for money on rgrm, but I will totally give Sanctuary to anyone who does give me money. Buckets of money. Loads of money. 07:18:25 Since money is the root of all evil, I take it upon myself to remove this great evil from the world. It's a service to humanity. That's the kind of selfless god I am. 07:18:46 Also anyone who says anything about "the love of money" being the root of all evil will be turned into a pillar of salt. 07:18:53 * dpeg hands Zin a sixpack of potions of mutation. 07:19:59 Don't make me send TSO to spank you. 07:20:04 greensnark: turning from Crazy_Yiuf to Zin in 1 hour 56 minutes? 07:20:09 all hope is lost 07:20:29 kilobyte: Didn't you know? Zin is to Crazy Yiuf as Clark Kent is to the cheesedude 07:20:58 I bet that Zin and Yiuf are talking about their hammer collections in their spare time. 07:22:04 * dpeg hands Zin the malleus maleficarum. 07:22:54 Ok, I need to walk the dog before it starts reciting at me. 07:22:57